I get what you're saying but what I don't understand is how that doesn't actually prove that BSM Naruto has superior reactions....That was the main point I was trying to say ever since. I understand that taking it scales down to BM Naruto and Sasuke...However adding Senjutsu would mean BSM is superior which is what I'm trying to understand.
Wrong. When it comes to reaction speed Sasuke does not scale down to BM Naruto, because he already matched his reaction speed when he had Senjutsu up.
No that's what you're supposed to be answering since you said the cloak doesn't increase Naruto's Jutsu to such a level as well even though we've not seen his actual Ninjutsu in V1. The V1 cloak and KCM have different properties since that's what we're mostly talking about. My Amaterasu and Roshi's fire stye was a good example to show they both have different properties.
Which is because it wasn't shown. What's worse is that you are claiming V1, even though the only feat from V1 that we have is his Rasengan, and you have no evidence that it was over a 3x boost. Considering Curse Mark is nowhere near Senjutsu when it comes to buffing Ninjutsu, and Senjutsu would probably give around a 3x boost, you can forget about Naruto's Rasengan being 3x stronger than the original when using V1 because he matched Sasuke before and after the power up.
Question I asked you: Where is your proof that Naruto and B's V1 cloak have different properties to the one given to the alliance? Where is it? You stated they have different properties and noted that Naruto doesn't get such power up like them even though they wore a different cloak to him and Naruto even focused more power to them unlike himself with how he lost his Avatar when they didn't
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It's because it wasn't shown, and because the only time Naruto was shown using Ninjutsu in V1, it was nowhere near what the SA got when it comes to a boost. Already addressed everything related to this up above. You are basically claiming that the boost is the same because you want it to be the same, not because you have any real evidence that it is the same.
It was ridiculous since he split Madara in half..Ordinarily, I don't believe Lee can even do that with a 4.5 in strength especially when his normal kick doesn't pose such strength against Haku at least. Last person that destroyed Madara's body in a similar way was Byakugou Tsunade albeit Lee is weaker.
With an Edo body? Not really. Edo bodies are not as durable as the living body.
It's true that Part 1 Edos weren't revived at full power. However you need to take into consideration the fact that Hiruzen even tried to tag them with paper bombs, since he used them as a method of confirming that Edos regenerate therefore he expected the explosions to do some damage to the Edo Tensei bodies. Also I'm not sure about their physical attributes being nerfed. The reason Hiruzen was able to keep up with them was because they were mindless zonbies without skilled motor control (and even then Hiruzen was getting beat up.) pretty sure the only attribute of the part 1 edos that was nerfed was their chakra, which tends to affect all physical stats to a degree.
There's still plenty of examples I can go off using Part 2 Edos. Cloaked Lee cut Madara in half with a kick. Pretty sure Gari got blown to bits by paper bombs by a rock ninja though that might have been a filler feat. Izumo and Kotetsu cut Kakuzu up withmetal weapons. Sai's paper tag explosions did damage to Haku.
What happened? What you are saying? To the extent you are claiming? Nope. Not one shred of evidence shows this.
What's nonsense is that we are still having this discussion.
Lol Stop lying...You said EQUAL which also means the same unless you want me to drop the dictionary here Lol. I seen you before say it but the thing is I never actually had a problem with them being in the same Tier. Equal however is what I'm responding to. Don't jump to something I'm not arguing against.
What you should drop here is how to read 101 considering you literally have no idea what you are talking about.
1. I state that they are equal, and that even if I'm wrong, they are in the same tier.
2. You reply saying that regardless of that my point doesn't stand.
3. Thus I reply by saying it does because I said IF THEY ARE IN THE SAME TIER.
So why are you replying with this nonsense?
Also, you're saying Sasuke is equal to BM now from that Kaguya feat but somehow still equal to BSM
Wrong.
Except I don't care if you don't smh. I already made it clear to you that mental reaction is irrelevant here..You mentioned reaction speed and what's funny is how you only introduced mental reaction in your last post even though you tried to refer to the overall reaction by suggesting the strike at the same time.
The Enhanced Susanoo who was used to strike obviously debunked it.
Can you stop with this?
My original point doesn't require Naruto and Sasuke to have equal physical reaction speed nor did I ever say that they did, so you telling me they don't is irrelevant
so I really do not give a damn whether or not Naruto and Sasuke's Juubito feat proves that they have physical reaction. Stop mentioning irrelevant shit. Do I have to literally walk you through the whole conversation before you will realize that I do not care whether or not Sasuke's body or his Avatar moves as fast as Naruto's?
What's funny is that you clearly either aren't reading what I'm stating, or you are choosing to ignore it. I stated:
-http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/650/11/
Striking only happens after you react. If they were too slow to react to Juubito's speed, he'd be easily evading their strikes. It accounts for reaction speed because you need to react to do anything, including attack. If they reacted and tagged Juubito at the same time, it means that their reaction speeds are equal, and that the speeds of their Avatars are also equal. If Naruto was faster, he would've struck first. Vice versa as well.
Naruto and Sasuke are equal in reaction speed, and the striking speed of their Avatars is equal.
Now you are telling me that "I tried to refer to the overall reaction speed of both characters by suggesting they strike at the same time", even though if you read, you'd realize that no, I did not say that Naruto and Sasuke strike at the same time. I said that their Avatars strike at the same time. Jesus Christ. You sound crazy telling me that mental reaction is irrelevant when I'm the one who made the initial claim, not you. 99% sure you have no idea what you are talking about here.
Ok and you previously said what that Kaguya shows means they are on par or equal correct? Both BM and EMS
No.
That's BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke you were speaking about..So in reality the main point is BSM Naruto is at least superior and not equal.
If I were in your shoes, then yes. But I'm not. EMS Sasuke already matched BSM Naruto and his tracking already matched his sensing , so he can't be on the level of BM.
In reactions: KCM Minato = KCM Naruto = EMS Sasuke < BM Naruto < BSM Naruto
And this right here is completely impossible.
1. Early Juubito fight EMS Sasuke was already matching KCM Naruto in reaction speed.
2. During the Juubito fight Sasuke's tracking got another major boost, thus increasing the speed at which he reacts, thus pushing his reaction speed above KCM Naruto.
