[Discussion] Sanji vs Capone incoming

[KingHashirama]

I'm just wondering...

When you ride zoro's dlck in your dreams, do you like to look at him or are you going for the reverse cowboy ?

Also the amount of parallels you try to come up with just on the fact of swords and scars are laughable. You're only two = signs away from saying Zoro = Illuminati = 9/11 conspiracy.

There is no amount of tin foil in the world that can be made into hats to block us from your idiot radiation I'm a afraid. Well done, I told you two pages ago not to turn this into a thread that it isn't. But you still managed to do that.

You're like the forum version of Ebola.

@Bold, idk you tell me since you are one imagining me doing that. Do tell us your fantasies about me homes.

More than 2 points were mentioned.. as for your little "9/11 / illuminati" crap... though its an obvious parrallel to anyone who has read one piece and doesn't have any sort of bias.



@2nd bold, cute little comeback.. Zoro > Sanji still. Get your head off of Sanji's penis and you might just realize it. =]


Your fellow Sanji fan is the one who put Zoro in this thread, don't come up with your butthurt to me.

Don't pull the Oda card on something like that when he has portrayed Zoro and Sanji being on the same level for almost the entire series. (I know I mentioned Oda so don't try to reverse it).

@BSK, how is Sanji weaker? How is Bonney even debatable? Is Zoro stronger?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

@Bold, idk you tell me since you are one imagining me doing that. Do tell us your fantasies about me homes.

More than 2 points were mentioned.. as for your little "9/11 / illuminati" crap... though its an obvious parrallel to anyone who has read one piece and doesn't have any sort of bias.



@2nd bold, cute little comeback.. Zoro > Sanji still. Get your head off of Sanji's penis and you might just realize it. =]


Your fellow Sanji fan is the one who put Zoro in this thread, don't come up with your butthurt to me.

I'm a Sanji fan? What makes you think Sanji isn't my 18th fav or something? What if I just like the avatar and defend Sanji because of what was shown in the manga? Because I'm defending that character? Btw, my avatar was different when I posted that. It seems like your trying to call me a fanboy.

You said Oda never portrayed Sanji on the level of supernovas and that includes Zoro. The opener also said Sanji will never be on the level of the supernovas and that includes Zoro. I was well within the boundaries of the topic. And why did you bring me up in the first place? How does that downplay what Love Cook said? It seems you are just trying to throw shots.

Btw, no one said Zoro wasn't stronger than Sanji. Geez that is obvious. Point was that Zoro and Sanji are on the same level and the points supporting that were called invalid while stuff like fake databooks and Zoro being equal to Luffy are held up as facts.

 

[Love Cook]

I'm a Sanji fan? What makes you think Sanji isn't my 18th fav or something? What if I just like the avatar and defend Sanji because of what was shown in the manga? Because I'm defending that character? Btw, my avatar was different when I posted that. It seems like your trying to call me a fanboy.

You said Oda never portrayed Sanji on the level of supernovas and that includes Zoro. The opener also said Sanji will never be on the level of the supernovas and that includes Zoro. I was well within the boundaries of the topic. And why did you bring me up in the first place? How does that downplay what Love Cook said? It seems you are just trying to throw shots.

Btw, no one said Zoro wasn't stronger than Sanji. Geez that is obvious. Point was that Zoro and Sanji are on the same level and the points supporting that were called invalid while stuff like fake databooks and Zoro being equal to Luffy are held up as facts.

YOU DONT UNDERSTAAAND

THERE IS NO 3RD GUY TO PARALLEL ON ROGERS SHIP !

If Sanji would beat someone who is on the same list as Zoro and Sanji everything is ruined ! The whole captain first mate love connection will be off balance and people might suspect that the gap between Sanji and Zoro isn't really that big after all.

It is only acceptable if the parallels are restored if Oda shows someone with black shoes and curly eyebrows on Rogers ship. Then it would be acceptable to make theories about it and be submitted in the hall of pre-planned destiny.

Because Oda forbid that Luffy and Zoro have their own adventures, they better be following those footsteps of the previous generations or I will throw a hissy fit.

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The fanboys get their jimmies rustled because they're so insecure that Mr. awesome might have some competition when they realize Zoro is closer to Sanji then to Luffy.

And all the threads are proof of that and whenever people like Hashirama post it is just extra fuel on the fire and I can laugh at their expense because so far the manga never backs them up.

Only a matter of time before the next thread about power levels or the position of first mate will pop up. And the only reason they keep appearing is because there are no facts to close the case once and for all. And that is what hurts them most.

 

[KingHashirama]

I'm a Sanji fan? What makes you think Sanji isn't my 18th fav or something? What if I just like the avatar and defend Sanji because of what was shown in the manga? Because I'm defending that character? Btw, my avatar was different when I posted that. It seems like your trying to call me a fanboy.

You said Oda never portrayed Sanji on the level of supernovas and that includes Zoro. The opener also said Sanji will never be on the level of the supernovas and that includes Zoro. I was well within the boundaries of the topic. And why did you bring me up in the first place? How does that downplay what Love Cook said? It seems you are just trying to throw shots.

Btw, no one said Zoro wasn't stronger than Sanji. Geez that is obvious. Point was that Zoro and Sanji are on the same level and the points supporting that were called invalid while stuff like fake databooks and Zoro being equal to Luffy are held up as facts.

Why bother asking all the questions, if what i said was wrong, then say you aren't a sanji fan.. pretty simple. I mean the other kiddo is assuming I'm a Zoro "fanboy" because i'm defending Zoro.. There is a difference between a fanboy and a fan. If I wanted to call you a fanboy, i would've done so in your other posts, you unlike the other guy know how to discuss and ahve a discussion without getting all hurt, because people don't think Sanji is on Zoro's level.


Yup, but directly put in Zoro, i replied to that, explain this to the other guy,don't bother explaining it to me homes. You made the comparison personal, the other guy referred to the Supernovas as a whole. Sorry dude you started the Zoro comparison even though you had asked already how is sanji weaker.. You were mentioned because you were the first to start the Zoro comparison.. accept it and move on homes. I didn't need to throw shots, considering all your arguments were already countered by me in the thread, to the point where it was literally the samething being said over and over, without any back up.

By "Zoro > Sanji" << I'm saying hes a level above. Yet all the things that were mentioned were provided with manga scans backing them up. People mentioned Zoro and luffy are ont he same level with manga backing, so what?? You denied it, sanji fanboy denied it.. thats our opinion.


If yall can't have a discussion without being butthurt about it, then why bother?

The fanboys get their jimmies rustled because they're so insecure that Mr. awesome might have some competition when they realize Zoro is closer to Sanji then to Luffy.

@bold, just reread your posts, instead of trying to put that on other people. Nobody in the thread got their jimmies rustled except you.

 

[LitzSabr]

I had some hope for Sanji when it was not revealed that Capone was there.
>He escaped Pekoms and Tamago and then Capone came to get Ceasar back. If this is the case then even then chances are high that he will lose against Capone, considering that he is injured too other than Capone being a strong one.
But if not, then right now he is up against Pekoms, Tamago and Capone. I can't exactly say for sure how powerful P & T are but seeing as they are from a yonko's crew and how easily Pekoms took out Caribou, it's possible that both of them are top executive level(DD pirates).

The chances of Sanji winning here are extremely low, but I doubt Oda would have Sanji get defeated now either. Intervention from someone else during the struggle is my best guess.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Why bother asking all the questions, if what i said was wrong, then say you aren't a sanji fan.. pretty simple. I mean the other kiddo is assuming I'm a Zoro "fanboy" because i'm defending Zoro.. There is a difference between a fanboy and a fan. If I wanted to call you a fanboy, i would've done so in your other posts, you unlike the other guy know how to discuss and ahve a discussion without getting all hurt, because people don't think Sanji is on Zoro's level.


Yup, but directly put in Zoro, i replied to that, explain this to the other guy,don't bother explaining it to me homes. You made the comparison personal, the other guy referred to the Supernovas as a whole. Sorry dude you started the Zoro comparison even though you had asked already how is sanji weaker.. You were mentioned because you were the first to start the Zoro comparison.. accept it and move on homes. I didn't need to throw shots, considering all your arguments were already countered by me in the thread, to the point where it was literally the samething being said over and over, without any back up.

By "Zoro > Sanji" << I'm saying hes a level above. Yet all the things that were mentioned were provided with manga scans backing them up. People mentioned Zoro and luffy are ont he same level with manga backing, so what?? You denied it, sanji fanboy denied it.. thats our opinion.

If yall can't have a discussion without being butthurt about it, then why bother?


@bold, just reread your posts, instead of trying to put that on other people. Nobody in the thread got their jimmies rustled except you.

1st bolded-How is it personal? I don't recall ever getting upset or spewing insults.

2nd bolded-They were never countered. You never replied to my post when I explained that comparisons between Zoro and Sanji from Arlong Park to Fishman Island. In fact, you discarded my point about Kaku and Jabra by saying it bares no weight like Zoro vs Luffy in 112(which doesn't help you).

3rd Bolded-The manga scans for Zoro's side doesn't help...like at all. All its doing is showing Luffy and Zoro talking about their dreams in the first few chapters of OP when Zoro as Luffy's first recruit. If that panel calls for any strength comparison for some reason, well...its literally the only comparison to make. Not a lot of people said Luffy and Zoro are on the same level either.

And Luffy vs Zoro back in chapter 112? Way Before Luffy's fight with Crocodile, Enel and gears? Luffy is obviously beyond Zoro's level and the only thing you use to say opposite are chapters when Luffy was much weaker and lacked gears.

With all of this, me and Love Cook are still just "denying manga facts" about Zoro? Look, Zoro fans are not the brightest. They are the only fanbase who is annoying and hated in OP(this is from this and other forums as well and youtube. Even Sawyer7mage talked about Zoro fanboys). Sanji fans are only called fanboys by Zoro fans/fanboys. I was once called a Sanji wanker, Zoro hater, hypocrite and stupid in 3 different forums by posting a "Zoro and Sanji on the same level" thread including here by Zoro fans EVEN THOUGH I LIKED ZORO MORE THAN SANJI AT THE TIME. They were the only fanbase who flipped. The points you gave were not great so of course Love Cook is not going to hold anything back with such a crappy fanbase. Even I think your counter arguments are terrible and would rather just throw insults I'm so dumbfounded. My points are no different than Love Cook's which is why I keep mentioning why is he getting called a fanboy and not me?

 

[Bogard]

How are databooks fake? We have seen Oda presenting his databooks multiple times and even said in an SBS that we should read them because he leaves important infos inside them. The only ones who think they are fake are the insecure ones who have a hardtime accepting facts because it goes against their usual fetuch. The funny thing is that even if it weren't made by Oa(contradictory to his SBS), it would be made by his assistanta, guys who follow his work day and night, so there is no difference at all or barely, well except one, that they are fanboys

 

[KingHashirama]

Sanji and Zoro are both exhausted and tired as hell, wake up..Zoro is at the point where his body if having troubles with controlling itself.. and

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Do tell me how in Thriller Bark they were portrayed to be on the same level.

1st bolded-How is it personal? I don't recall ever getting upset or spewing insults.

I said you made the comparison personal...... You changed it from How is Sanji weaker than the supernovas as a whole to, Is Zoro stronger? << Why mention Zoro if you already compared Sanji to the supernovas.

2nd bolded-They were never countered. You never replied to my post when I explained that comparisons between Zoro and Sanji from Arlong Park to Fishman Island. In fact, you discarded my point about Kaku and Jabra by saying it bares no weight like Zoro vs Luffy in 112(which doesn't help you).

I didn't ignore it, I told you the mere fact you comparison was flawed, as neither Kaku or Jabra were able to take either Sanji or Zoro to go full "Try hard" mode. But yes it weighs no weight compared to Zoro vs Luffy in 112. Take a look at what you compared.. you compared the Kaku/Jabra's level to an actual fight that was going to happen between Zoro and luffy where they started off in a stalemate. ..

Don't see how you are doing good in proving they are on the same level.. :dunno:

3rd Bolded-The manga scans for Zoro's side doesn't help...like at all. All its doing is showing Luffy and Zoro talking about their dreams in the first few chapters of OP when Zoro as Luffy's first recruit. If that panel calls for any strength comparison for some reason, well...its literally the only comparison to make. Not a lot of people said Luffy and Zoro are on the same level either.

They would help if you bothered paying attention to them and how it sets up the luffy/Zoro duo, and especially their interactions through out the manga. Yup, alot of people in this thread didn't, a lot of people not in this thread do believe so.

And Luffy vs Zoro back in chapter 112? Way Before Luffy's fight with Crocodile, Enel and gears? Luffy is obviously beyond Zoro's level and the only thing you use to say opposite are chapters when Luffy was much weaker and lacked gears.

"beyond Zoro's level".. do tell me how. I'll wait. You can mention the "Gear 2" "Gear 3 " "Gear 4".. ok cool. Guess what Luffy only showed Gear 4, due to the fact he was able to go all out in a fight, something Zoro hasn't gotten the luxury to do so yet. Unless you expect Zoro to go all out on some jabronis he can beat without going all out?

Yup and back then Zoro also lacked all the stuff he gained after 112. You clearly ignored the direct comparison made by Oda at the end of thriller bark no?

With all of this, me and Love Cook are still just "denying manga facts" about Zoro? Look, Zoro fans are not the brightest. They are the only fanbase who is annoying and hated in OP(this is from this and other forums as well and youtube. Even Sawyer7mage talked about Zoro fanboys). Sanji fans are only called fanboys by Zoro fans/fanboys. I was once called a Sanji wanker, Zoro hater, hypocrite and stupid in 3 different forums by posting a "Zoro and Sanji on the same level" thread including here by Zoro fans EVEN THOUGH I LIKED ZORO MORE THAN SANJI AT THE TIME. They were the only fanbase who flipped. The points you gave were not great so of course Love Cook is not going to hold anything back with such a crappy fanbase. Even I think your counter arguments are terrible and would rather just throw insults I'm so dumbfounded. My points are no different than Love Cook's which is why I keep mentioning why is he getting called a fanboy and not me?

Yuppp... "Zoro fans are not the brightest"..on what basis did you judge this on? Because they claim hes a level above Sanji? Before judging an entire fanbase atleast know aboutt he full fanbase and not just few members you see on forums. Its funny that I was indirectly called a Zoro D-rider first by a Sanji fanboy*_*, yet you are here talking about "Sanji fans are only called fanboys by Zoro fans/fanboys".

Really have no interest in what happened to you in the past. The points you gave were pretty vague and as said above countered.

Sure Love Cook can be a douche bag all he wants.. good for him. Reason I'm not calling you a fanboy, is the mere fact you actually can have a discussion without having to insult the person you are discussing against. But if you want to start.. go ahead.

In Naruto discussion forums, people have called me names for what about 2+ years now? Still don't see me going on threads and cussing out people, because they don't agree with me or have different opinion. But if someone does chose to start that crap I won't hesitate. You wanna disagree , disagree.. we will leave this thread and still continue to discuss other topics on another thread. Just like I responded to Love Cook on the other thread without any bad language.

 

[Gintõki1]

You can't have one thread without the wankers in the Zoro fanbase come to fill it with bs.

 

[Love Cook]

Why bother asking all the questions, if what i said was wrong, then say you aren't a sanji fan.. pretty simple. I mean the other kiddo is assuming I'm a Zoro "fanboy" because i'm defending Zoro.. There is a difference between a fanboy and a fan. If I wanted to call you a fanboy, i would've done so in your other posts, you unlike the other guy know how to discuss and ahve a discussion without getting all hurt, because people don't think Sanji is on Zoro's level.


Yup, but directly put in Zoro, i replied to that, explain this to the other guy,don't bother explaining it to me homes. You made the comparison personal, the other guy referred to the Supernovas as a whole. Sorry dude you started the Zoro comparison even though you had asked already how is sanji weaker.. You were mentioned because you were the first to start the Zoro comparison.. accept it and move on homes. I didn't need to throw shots, considering all your arguments were already countered by me in the thread, to the point where it was literally the samething being said over and over, without any back up.

By "Zoro > Sanji" << I'm saying hes a level above. Yet all the things that were mentioned were provided with manga scans backing them up. People mentioned Zoro and luffy are ont he same level with manga backing, so what?? You denied it, sanji fanboy denied it.. thats our opinion.


If yall can't have a discussion without being butthurt about it, then why bother?


@bold, just reread your posts, instead of trying to put that on other people. Nobody in the thread got their jimmies rustled except you.

You know what dude, plss off. The only thing worse than you're lame argumentation is the fact that you're blind that you're wrong. Stop blaming other people for the dumb things that you do. I didn't start this, YOU DID and I warned you for it maggot.

Look how many people you have defending you're point of view and how many people debate against you. It just doesn't get through that thick skull.

Also drop the latin-american act. Calling me homes ? Really ?? It's spelled holmes dipshlt, and I bet you don't even speak Spanish with makes it awkward as hell.

There is no manga evidence about Zoro being equal to Luffy stop lying about it, it also never happened in this thread (Besides you even claimed 2 pages ago that nobody here claimed that). Insert quote here:

Luffy = Zoro
@Bold, wrong thread, nobody here claimed it.

Ouch that must be painful to realize that you're just making stuff up now. So instead of blaming me, and calling me a fanboy. How about you just shut up from now on don't lie about what you've been saying because it's all written down and my memory is better than yours and I can do this longer than you can.

The only manga supported fact is that Sanji was 20 douroki away from Zoro at Enies Lobby and that Luffy is double of them both. That should give you a good insight of how the monster trio is built.

And if Zoro needs to rely on bltch moves in thriller bark where he hits people in the back, you could also ask yourself what would happen if sanji kicked him in the back of the head when he wasn't paying attention. Fact is that it was Oda's way of showing that they were both ready to sacrifice for the crew.

How are databooks fake? We have seen Oda presenting his databooks multiple times and even said in an SBS that we should read them because he leaves important infos inside them. The only ones who think they are fake are the insecure ones who have a hardtime accepting facts because it goes against their usual fetuch. The funny thing is that even if it weren't made by Oa(contradictory to his SBS), it would be made by his assistanta, guys who follow his work day and night, so there is no difference at all or barely, well except one, that they are fanboys

pfshh, I can't do this no more this is beyond stupid. Don't go blaiming other people if your sources are shlt. They're not fake, they're just not made by Oda. Oda will also tell you to watch the movies but if you try to use that as canon material you'll also get burned on this forum.

And I like how you try to steal my jokes by calling me insecure and about having a fetish. The only problem is that you cant spell it properly and you used it wrong in a sentence. So maybe leave the insults to me, because you're to dumb for it.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Sanji rapes all of the supernova except for zoro,law and luffy, what are you talking about? Majority of them don't even have one type of haki.

we dont konw that rite now

 

[Relostar Devil]

sanji is stronger but not enough to take supernova captins. He can take out their vice captains but never captains and thats for sure.

 

[KingHashirama]

You know what dude, plss off. The only thing worse than you're lame argumentation is the fact that you're blind that you're wrong. Stop blaming other people for the dumb things that you do. I didn't start this, YOU DID and I warned you for it maggot.

Look how many people you have defending you're point of view and how many people debate against you. It just doesn't get through that thick skull.

Also drop the latin-american act. Calling me homes ? Really ?? It's spelled holmes dipshlt, and I bet you don't even speak Spanish with makes it awkward as hell.

There is no manga evidence about Zoro being equal to Luffy stop lying about it, it also never happened in this thread (Besides you even claimed 2 pages ago that nobody here claimed that).

Issue is I didn't blame others, so stop with your wannabe smartass, you are not even reading posts without getting butthurt about them.

Yea alot of people in this thread believe they are on the same level, if alot of believed they weren't, you would've called them "Zoro D-riders" because didn't agree with your opinion. So why worry about what majority thread think, when you were going to insult them anyway.

"also drop the latin-american act".. issue is I am partly mexican, and living in a majority mexican neighborhood. No I do not need to spell it "holmes" as it is not an actual spanish world. So don't try to tell me what I can be and what I can't be, when you don't even know shit about who uses "homes". Fail at being a smartass again.

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You know its funny, because throughout the thread I have consistently stated Luffy is stronger, however Zoro and him are on the same level. In your little quote, it showed me saying Zoro = Luffy.. But this is the full quote:

Spoiler

@Bold, wrong thread, nobody here claimed it.

Ouch that must be painful to realize that you're just making stuff up now. So instead of blaming me, and calling me a fanboy. How about you just shut up from now on don't lie about what you've been saying because it's all written down and my memory is better than yours and I can do this longer than you can.

The only manga supported fact is that Sanji was 20 douroki away from Zoro at Enies Lobby and that Luffy is double of them both. That should give you a good insight of how the monster trio is built.

And if Zoro needs to rely on bltch moves in thriller bark where he hits people in the back, you could also ask yourself what would happen if sanji kicked him in the back of the head when he wasn't paying attention. Fact is that it was Oda's way of showing that they were both ready to sacrifice for the crew.

"Calling me a fanboy".. you getting mad that people ain't taking your butthurt, and actually said something back? ooooo big boy mad. stfu dude. Oh yea it's written down.. thats why you failed at quoting me properly.

You claim that Sanji being only 20 Douroki away from Zoro is a manga fact.. yet its stated nowhere. Kaku being 20 Douroki away from Jabura is a mangafact.. Same Kaku Zoro wrecked without going all out.. same Jabura Sanji beat without going all out.. How how did you make the comparison? Oh wait because they were fighting those 2, it means it reflected their actual abilities? If Sanji and Zoro were taken to their limits by them, then you'd have an actual point.


Sorry dude he hit him on the side not on the back. Furthermore, if Sanji had that durability on him still, he wouldn't have been knocked out by that .. guess what? he got knocked out. Making shitty excuses isn't gonna help the fact, that Sanji was K.O'd with a hilt of a sword, while Zoro proceeded to take all of Luffy's damage from the battle. You wanna counter it? Show me where Sanji left Zoro behind in that.

It also wasn't a ***** move, he saved his life.. like Sanji was gonna agree to Zoro taking the punishment. rofl. Fact is nobody here talked about the sacrifice.. and fact is Zoro got the emphasis on the sacrifice more than Sanji..

 

[-Akuma-]

Then other logical people think otherwise also then.

They aren't other logical people

Same for Zoro's side. Simply proceed to look at what happened after THriller Bark, Sanji K.O'd by the hilt of a sword, Zoro proceeds to take all of Luffy's damage, same level you say? I don't think so. Sure they didn't do good against O.Z , but it was the same for the rest of the crew who don't even come close to Zoro/Sanji's strength. But when it came to those 2, Zoro was portrayed way above.

You do realise Sanji had sustained more injures than Zoro before he took the pain, also being blindsided and knocking out someone doesn't mean you're stronger. Unless Vegeta stronger than Goku when he blindsided him inn the Buu saga, or unless the Yeti cool brothers are stronger than Zoro and Sanji....:sdo:. Zoro before the TS hasn't been portrayed way above Sanji.

No Ben Beckman is the "zoro" of Shank's group. Both of that 1 eye scar, both use the sword, both are the right hand men, both were the first to join their respective crews, both care for the captain deeply... you can actually see Zoro in rayleigh.. lol. You can deny it if you want go ahead.. But Rayleigh = Zoro, Luffy = Roger

*Sigh* Simply having a scar doesn't mean you the equivalent of someone who does. Ben Beckman shares no qualities with Zoro btw. Having a scar doesn't mean shit, they are both swordsman yes Vista ia swordsman aswell is he the next Rayeligh? They both first mates, while all of the crew cares deeply for Luffy boht Zoro and Sanji were prepared to die for Luffy.....Does that mean both Zoro and Sanji are Rayleigh :sdo:. I can deny it and I will because Zoro hasn't been directly compared to Rayleigh unlike Luffy and Roger.

At Thriller Bark aftermath, the difference in their level is shown. Luffy vs Zoro was gonna be an actual fight had it not been stopped. The greatest swordsman of all time, will be on the same level as the Pirate King.

TB aftermath doesn't mean shit, the fact you using Zoro blindsiding Sanji an evidence is actually sad. The reason Zoro vs Luffy was stopped because it was intended to be a gag fight.

Of course, but being a great warrior of the sea doesn't translate into being the GREATEST warrior of the sea. Luffy is going to be the strongest pirate, Zoro is going be the strongest swordsmen. Both are aiming for number 1.. Ussop isn't.

Your point? Usopp's goal has more to do with being strong than Sanji's, by that logic Usopp>Sanji....

Those scans state and portray their combination and how their relationship of trust and power will be going hand to hand.

Those scans show them stating their goals and showing their resolve sort of nothing to do with strength. There's a scans early on of Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Sanji and Nami all stating their goals...Lemme guess now Luffy=Zoro=Sanji=Usopp=Nami. The closet thing to portrayal they have is them both being SN, but bounty doesn't really directly correlate to strength.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

we dont konw that rite now

Yes but for now, you can't just assume that they do. I think only law was confirmed to have it. And by feats, they haven't shown anything that can come close to neither zoro or sanji. You're basing your opinion on the mere fact that sanji isn't a captain, but that's just wrong. We've seen it many times, an underdog who isn't even a captain taking out big shots. Just look at rayleigh for example, he was fighting kizaru despite him not being the captain. Having said that, we truly don't know how strong they are, and most likely, the will show their powers sometimes in the next chapters but, you can't really say that they're stronger when they don't even have the feats to support it, it's like me saying that saying that sanji will have haoshuko haki sometime in the future and thus he will be strong enough to beat them. Man even top dogs in cp9(lucci,kaku,Jabra and buleno) can probably take out some of the super nova.


Again, assuming stuff won't get us anywhere honestly,because we can all assume stuff when it comes to potential , and thus, those from the supernova who hadn't shown haki or was told to have it, cannot use haki as forr now.

 

[ultraChalk]

Can't agree with you here.

All he can do (as far as we've seen) is shrink things and people. I believe Sanjis power is greater than that.

 

[Bogard]

Typing on a phone and made grammatical errors, yet the idiot dares quote me on a reply i was making to Vandenreich's fake databook quote, despite already telling him once not to quote me again

 

[Love Cook]

Issue is I didn't blame others, so stop with your wannabe smartass, you are not even reading posts without getting butthurt about them.

Yea alot of people in this thread believe they are on the same level, if alot of believed they weren't, you would've called them "Zoro D-riders" because didn't agree with your opinion. So why worry about what majority thread think, when you were going to insult them anyway.

"also drop the latin-american act".. issue is I am partly mexican, and living in a majority mexican neighborhood. No I do not need to spell it "holmes" as it is not an actual spanish world. So don't try to tell me what I can be and what I can't be, when you don't even know shit about who uses "homes". Fail at being a smartass again.

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You know its funny, because throughout the thread I have consistently stated Luffy is stronger, however Zoro and him are on the same level. In your little quote, it showed me saying Zoro = Luffy.. But this is the full quote:




"Calling me a fanboy".. you getting mad that people ain't taking your butthurt, and actually said something back? ooooo big boy mad. stfu dude. Oh yea it's written down.. thats why you failed at quoting me properly.

You claim that Sanji being only 20 Douroki away from Zoro is a manga fact.. yet its stated nowhere. Kaku being 20 Douroki away from Jabura is a mangafact.. Same Kaku Zoro wrecked without going all out.. same Jabura Sanji beat without going all out.. How how did you make the comparison? Oh wait because they were fighting those 2, it means it reflected their actual abilities? If Sanji and Zoro were taken to their limits by them, then you'd have an actual point.


Sorry dude he hit him on the side not on the back. Furthermore, if Sanji had that durability on him still, he wouldn't have been knocked out by that .. guess what? he got knocked out. Making shitty excuses isn't gonna help the fact, that Sanji was K.O'd with a hilt of a sword, while Zoro proceeded to take all of Luffy's damage from the battle. You wanna counter it? Show me where Sanji left Zoro behind in that.

It also wasn't a ***** move, he saved his life.. like Sanji was gonna agree to Zoro taking the punishment. rofl. Fact is nobody here talked about the sacrifice.. and fact is Zoro got the emphasis on the sacrifice more than Sanji..

You don't think Sanji and Zoro both unlocking new abilities and going further than ever before is not being pushed to the limit ? Besides it took Sanji a lot less time dealing with Jyabura than Zoro did with Kaku. So this point you brought up about not being at their limits would not be working in Zoro's favor.

But all in all reading through all the posts in this thread, I think we can conclude that you're opinion isn't really getting support. You're just a loud minority who thinks he speaks for a big group of people. But after reading you're part Mexican I guess you already know what it must feel like to be a loud minority.

Also thanks for proving me right with the Urban Dictionary link holmes.

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I believe a poll b/w Zoro extreme diffs Sanji or Zoro high diffs or lower Sanji would help to see what's more believed other than it being interesting. :bdpf:

 

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Sanji and Zoro are both exhausted and tired as hell, wake up..Zoro is at the point where his body if having troubles with controlling itself.. and

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Do tell me how in Thriller Bark they were portrayed to be on the same level.


I said you made the comparison personal...... You changed it from How is Sanji weaker than the supernovas as a whole to, Is Zoro stronger? << Why mention Zoro if you already compared Sanji to the supernovas.

I didn't ignore it, I told you the mere fact you comparison was flawed, as neither Kaku or Jabra were able to take either Sanji or Zoro to go full "Try hard" mode. But yes it weighs no weight compared to Zoro vs Luffy in 112. Take a look at what you compared.. you compared the Kaku/Jabra's level to an actual fight that was going to happen between Zoro and luffy where they started off in a stalemate. ..

Don't see how you are doing good in proving they are on the same level.. :dunno:


They would help if you bothered paying attention to them and how it sets up the luffy/Zoro duo, and especially their interactions through out the manga. Yup, alot of people in this thread didn't, a lot of people not in this thread do believe so.



"beyond Zoro's level".. do tell me how. I'll wait. You can mention the "Gear 2" "Gear 3 " "Gear 4".. ok cool. Guess what Luffy only showed Gear 4, due to the fact he was able to go all out in a fight, something Zoro hasn't gotten the luxury to do so yet. Unless you expect Zoro to go all out on some jabronis he can beat without going all out?

Yup and back then Zoro also lacked all the stuff he gained after 112. You clearly ignored the direct comparison made by Oda at the end of thriller bark no?



Yuppp... "Zoro fans are not the brightest"..on what basis did you judge this on? Because they claim hes a level above Sanji? Before judging an entire fanbase atleast know aboutt he full fanbase and not just few members you see on forums. Its funny that I was indirectly called a Zoro D-rider first by a Sanji fanboy*_*, yet you are here talking about "Sanji fans are only called fanboys by Zoro fans/fanboys".

Really have no interest in what happened to you in the past. The points you gave were pretty vague and as said above countered.

Sure Love Cook can be a douche bag all he wants.. good for him. Reason I'm not calling you a fanboy, is the mere fact you actually can have a discussion without having to insult the person you are discussing against. But if you want to start.. go ahead.

In Naruto discussion forums, people have called me names for what about 2+ years now? Still don't see me going on threads and cussing out people, because they don't agree with me or have different opinion. But if someone does chose to start that crap I won't hesitate. You wanna disagree , disagree.. we will leave this thread and still continue to discuss other topics on another thread. Just like I responded to Love Cook on the other thread without any bad language.

Dude....just....ugh....you keep using scans n' such from the beginning of the series to justify a point RIGHT NOW. Seriously, nothing is supporting you. I'll put it like this....

Zoro was Luffy's first recruit and their conversation was about their dreams. Nothing says they were on the same level. In Arlong Park, Zoro and Sanji were portrayed on the same level. Sanji fought the #2 Kurobi and dusted him. Zoro was severly injured so that #3 Hachi could be a threat.

In Loguetown, Zoro and Sanji tried to save Luffy at the same time, Zoro going for Luffy's right and Sanji going for Luffy's left. Zoro said "If only I could cut down that platform!" and Sanji said "If only I could kick down that platform!" This shows that they are on the same pedestal.

Whiskey Peak had Luffy and Zoro fight and it directly implies that they are on the same level. By this, Luffy>Zoro>Sanji with a small gap between them.

In Alabasta, Oda had Mr1 and 2 fight each on par with each other. Why is that? To show that Mr 1 and 2 were on the same level. Zoro struggled bad against Mr 1(DF) and Sanji was clearly the stronger one between him and Mr 2.

In Skypia, you(or someone else) said Luffy and Zoro are on the same level because they laughed when the other got caught.....geez.....Both Zoro and Sanji would get taken out by 2 lightning attacks by Enel(as seen in the arc).

Enies Lobby had the most direct and in-your-face evidence for Luffy being a level above Zoro and Sanji and the latter 2 being on the same level.
Lucci-4000-Luffy-Only Luffy had to power to stand up to Lucci. It was even mentioned in the arc.
Kaku-2200-Zoro-Struggled heavily against Kaku and got ****ed up. Had to pull out a trump card to win
Jabra-2180-Sanji-Struggled against Jabra but managed to do him in with a trump card before Zoro beat Kaku

The only thing you can say about this is that "Zoro and Sanji didnt go all out so its invalid." That is blatant ignorance and shows how you are just trying to wank Zoro. I cant describe it any other way. Luffy obviously jumped in another level without question with G2.

In Thriller Bark, you actually think Zoro knocking out a more injured Sanji with a sneak attack shows Zoro is on a different level? There is nothing intellectual about that....I'm being nice too...Zoro taking Luffy pain? Does it show that Zoro and Luffy are on the level? Not in the slightest. Does it show Zoro's endurance and willpower? Yes.

In Return to Sabody, Zoro and Sanji attacked a pacifista together while Luffy tooke one out alone. That is symbolism that Luffy is the captain on a different level with Zoro and Sanji as his right and left hand men.

In Fishman Island, Zoro and Sanji once again guarded Luffy's right and left and that same time and was seen standing side by side in one panel commenting on Luffy CoC.

Also, my points weren't vague or countered. They were just tossed aside and stuff like a panel of Luffy and Zoro talking about their dreams was thrown in my face.