Gadien Sasuke(no sage chakra) VS BSM Minato

[Great Master Minato]

Even as a Minato fan I believed he would lose this match but KG's posts convinced me otherwise.

 

[JStar King]

Minato ain't getting past Susanoo with FTG. But idk who would win tho.

 

[Unorthodox]

Even as a Minato fan I believed he would lose this match but KG's posts convinced me otherwise.

i shitted on KG's post dont give him credit where it not do

 

[KidGamer65]

This guy...Lmao. Post was weak a'f. You never learn your lesson do you? About to be the tourney all over again, but much worse. I'll reply when I get home.

 

[DHOH]

Sasuke wins the s/t battle. He can swap to any of Minato's kunai or go where ever he needs to, or could just destroy Minato's kunai with Enton.. Sasuke just has more ways to win due to his Rinnengan which isn't getting credit here.

 

[Unorthodox]

This guy...Lmao. Post was weak a'f. You never learn your lesson do you? About to be the tourney all over again, but much worse. I'll reply when I get home.

ofc my post was weak because im going against you not going to praise your opposition's post

losing in a tourny by judges vs losing a debate by your opponent basically saying i cannot counter this post > the tourny lost

so im ahead in this race

furthermore im using Sasuke

Sasuke wins the s/t battle. He can swap to any of Minato's kunai or go where ever he needs to, or could just destroy Minato's kunai with Enton.. Sasuke just has more ways to win due to his Rinnengan which isn't getting credit here.

my point exactly his bushin just roast any kunai with amaterasu and destroy any marked area's with susanoo punches sasuke has this in the bag by long shot not even close

 

[Tartarus]

I've been seeing some sketchy claims in this match-up:
-Sasuke using Chidori with his Susanoo should have nothing to do with Rikudou Chakra or Rinnegan. He's been applying chakra natures like Enton to his Susanoo since he first unlocked it.

-There is no such jutsu as "Flash Bijudama" anywhere outside the mangapanda's occasional weird translations. Not in the DB, nor Viz translations. It's simply a fully charged Bijudama.

-Furthermore, Sasuke's chakra has clearly gotten much stronger by evidence of his Chidori buff in The Last. Rikudou chakra or not, he's gotten much stronger since the VotE. His PS should be around the same level of Madara's. His Susanoo totally tanked a Bijudama from 100% Kurama, while Minato only has a 50% Kurama. At most, the SM boost should make up the difference, but that doesn't change the fact his level of PS won't be hurt by Minato's assault. In theory, Naruto would be able to cancel the difference better and maybe even surpass it, but his chakra reserves and SM are far greater than his dad's. People keep down-scaling 17 year old Sasuke's Susanoo feats, but that's not the Sasuke being debated in this match-up. The OP wouldn't have gone out of his way to make it Gaiden Sasuke if he was meant to be restricted to his younger feats.

-I also don't know why people think Minato's kunai will stay intact during the fight, are they made of some sort of godmetal that can tank PS slashes?

 

[KidGamer65]

oh stfu and you thought you we're going to rip my arguments apart in that lastest thread but you did not.

Smh. Done with the outside chatter.

Also them having a faster shunshin is irrelevant because its not like a blitz argument is ever going to happen furthermore this is adult Sasuke name a ninja who was at the peak of their speed at 17 years old you cant so Sasuke would be much faster than Minato.

You said that War Arc Sasuke was keeping up with them, so I corrected you. That simple. Zero evidence for the rest of your claims.

Great minds think alike lol i swear to god i did not read this part before replying

Smh. How did I miss this BS? Go on, tell us how Sasuke intercepting Onmyodon means that he's faster than Ay when even Hiruzen could move a bit before getting hit?

Give you proof is that he was near Minato's speed as a teenager his speed along with everything else in his arsenal increase furthermore as i said at vote we saw sasuke blitz rsm without boost that would be a stronger bsm naruto im pretty sure Adult Naruto if you take away his chakra who'd be much faster than bsm naruto actually im positive, That being Said adult Sasuke would still be able to blitz that naruto like he did at vote making him much faster than Bsm Minato easily.

Except he wasn't near Minato's speed as a teenager. He was reacting as fast as he could in KCM, but that's pretty much it. In all other areas of speed Minato would dominate him. Not to mention this is a Minato with Sage Mode and Kurama Mode. So once again, how was Sasuke near this Minato's speed as a teenager?

Wrong. Take away Hagoromo's powers and you get BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke. Not BSM Naruto. I'll explain below. Why don't you actually provide evidence for claims like "Adult Naruto w/o his chakra>BSM Naruto in speed"? Smh. "I'm positive" is not an argument.

But did you not see the Madara scan Kishi chose not to let Sasuke use amenotijikara in that way same as he made Kaguya not use the ice dimension when she was about to sealed even though Sasuke can break it it would not be broken faster in the time that she could hop through a dimension portal also why did she not use her hair spikes again? We can say that about alot of things in the manga but in a versus thread they're going to use them abilities Sasuke has shown multiply times where he makes contact the moment he warps himself or objects.

That's where I stopped reading. Sasuke's Ameno only works one way when he teleports people or himself. Teleport--->Strike. Plot is not an argument that'll bail you out of every situation you don't like.

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all those are instances of him warping right into his opponent or friend no striking speed needed Minato is diced up.

First scan shows Sasuke teleporting in mid air, and then Naruto rams into him and stops. Not to mention it's not an attack, so Sasuke doesn't need to strike. If he teleports and strikes, the striking part gives Minato time to react to him.

Second scan shows him teleporting behind Naruto and then slamming him into the ground with his bow/fist. This clearly shows Sasuke striking, so what in the hell are you even talking about?

The third scan has been explained. He attacked and then warped Madara in between them.

The fourth scan isn't even an attack. Smh.

No only you would say that Sasuke does not win you're a joke EMS Madara would defeat BSM Minato or Naruto yet someone clearly above that level would lose. Also how is this a counter to my post your desperately trying to pick apart what happened in the scan Sasuke clearly teleported Madara into his attack

This ain't EMS Madara. This is EMS Sasuke as an adult, with Rinnegan that has no Rikudo Chakra of any kind powering it. Only a fanboy would say EMS Sasuke w/ a Rikudo Chakraless Rinnegan low-mid diffs BSM Minato, but hey...look who I'm talking to. Look at your sig. Day 1 Sasuke fanboy here.

Sasuke clearly tells Naruto to aim at him meaning he indeed warped Madara right at the moment of impact limited to no striking speed able to dodge or block and what are you even talking about manga still and pictures? Madara was clearly warped into the attack even Madara was looking shocked about what Sasuke means when he tells Naruto to aim at him and he was still in the exact same shock position when he was hit with the combo. your attempt at deny logic is not good at denying logic.

Wrong. Sasuke told Naruto to aim at him, then they thrust and Sasuke warped him. That's Sasuke warping Madara after he attacks, not warping Madara right onto his attack or at the very moment the attack makes impact. Kaguya reacted to Ameno twice. End of story. Unless you prove that EMS Sasuke's speed is enough to tag Minato before he himself can teleport away, he doesn't blitz. Learn how teleportation works and then get at me.

A fireball to distract the best sensor in the series? No Naruto can see through his sensory abilities i dont need to post the scan for you to know that furthermore Naruto can make chakra arms in cloak to block a simply chidori he was blitz plain in simple do i need to bring older post from you stating the same thing because we know how inconsistent you are.

Sensory abilities are irrelevant. If Naruto is dealing with the fireball with his chakra arm, it gets harder for him to react to Sasuke coming. That was the whole point of him using Katon in the first place. Anyone who doesn't read the Manga with their hand in Sasuke's pants would know this. Not to mention you are still saying he was blitzed even though he:

-Sensed him.
-Blocked a hit to his back by turning around and blocking with his left (right?) arm.

So tell me. How is it a blitz if Naruto reacted? Smh.

Why would Naruto be left with no senjutsu? Considering he had it way before he ever meet hagoromo from the toads your logic is not making since again with this distraction nonsense child please slap yourself if you're believing the best sensor can be distracted by a fire ball that's not even the size of a chakra hand. You cannot react to something that warps you right into the attack or warps an attack right on to you that simply i'll use Juubito as an example he's a juubi jin level sensor yet was caught off guard multiply times with Tobirama's jutsu

Wrong.

Hagoromo's Senjutsu didn't overlap the Toad Senjutsu. Naruto w/ Hagoromo's power= Naruto+Rikudo Senjutsu+Yang Kurama+8 pieces of the other Bijuu. Not Naruto+Rikudo Senjutsu+Toad Senjutsu+Yang Kurama+8 other Bijuu. You say "he had BSM before he met Hagoromo" even though BSM isn't an internal power of Naruto's. He gets Sage Mode by taking in Nature Energy from the environment, so why would something external be included in the make up of his new powers? Rikudo's Senjutsu replaced/enhanced the regular Toad Senjutsu. Thus if you take all of Naruto's Senjutsu, you are left with BM Naruto. Not BSM Naruto.

Bold has been addressed. If Naruto is busy with one thing, doing something else will be harder than it usually is. The rest has been replied to above. Where was he caught off guard by Tobirama's jutsu? Why are you even mentioning Tobirama when Tobirama himself said that if they keep using Hiraishin Obito will obliterate them from behind. And then Obito displayed that he could react. [

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] The only reason they got him is because it was a surprise attack, not because he couldn't react. Hiraishin attacks are not instant. Ameno attacks are not either. If they were instant, Sasuke wouldn't have gotten his ability laughed at by Kaguya, twice.

There is no doubt that Juubito has the speed and reaction to counter a ftg plus attack but why did he get hit so many times with his because no striking speed was required he countered it later with chakra arms because he knew where they would be coming from Sasuke's jutsu is like that except he can hit you from the front back side top and bottom making they're 0 counters to it that simple. So Minato reacting is impossible. To shit on the rest of your dum post This is adult Sasuke who's is much faster than his teenage self so its still goodnight for Minato.

Smh. Now you are just making petty excuses.

1. Juubito got hit with SM Rasengan because:

-It was a surprise attack.
-Instead of trying to counter he decided to try and use his intangibility

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If he had tried to do anything else Naruto would be in a coffin right now. Like I said above, Tobirama made it clear that if they jump behind him again, he'll

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and obliterate them.

2. Goshun Mawashi? Come on now.

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Obito gave no ****s about what they were doing because he knows that they can't hurt him with Ninjutsu. He stood there and watched as they charged towards him, because he knew that he'd just call the Gudo Dama, wipe the flame away and then mock their efforts. Then there's the fact that Obito reacted to their Hiraishin attacks after this. Try again pal.

Do not try to overestimate the boost of a sage mode that did not stop him from bring nearly blitz by Madara which adult Sasuke should be faster than

Irrelevant. Sage Mode Naruto=/=BSM Naruto. A Sage Mode boost had Naruto going from getting blitzed senseless by Juubito to being able to track his speed. That's a massive jump. I can already tell the above point is going to be foolish as hell.

also Juubito blitz km Naruto he never went against bm Naruto until he activated sage mode with his cloak so you saying going from being blitz to tracking and reacting is irrelevant.

Wrong. KCM Naruto and BM Naruto are either the same speed or the difference isn't very small, because BM Naruto has no speed feat that surpasses KCM Naruto's, nor are BM w/o the Avatar and KCM different forms. Databooks refer to both of them as Kurama Chakra Mode.

How is Minato faster than BM Naruto his cloak did not change upon his avatar usage they're the same speed or Naruto is faster.

Read above.

Throwing a kunai behind Sasuke and blitzing him really do you think he's going up against base naruto or somebody? Minato throws his kunai warps out of it goes in for the stab his chest gets ran through by Sasuke kusangi just like what happen to a much faster Madara it it will pierce his sword pierced a must stronge cloak in Adult Naruto

So now you are comparing Rikudo Sasuke's feats to EMS Sasuke w/ Rinnegan's? Smh. Can you stop with the bullshit? Not to mention Madara got stabbed because of Ameno's ability. If Sasuke uses Ameno to warp, he'll have to wait before using it again so he still gets wrecked either way. And once again, RIKUDO SASUKE>>>>>>>>>EMS SASUKE even as an adult. Don't compare the two.

that little plan or idea needs to be thrown out the window. Furthermore Minato does not even have the striking speed to catch Sasuke off as a teen he was able to read juubito's movements who is much above Minato as an adult he comfortably dodges his attack then kills him.

Sasuke was only able to react to Juubito's movements mentally, and he had to use Sharingan for that. How the hell is he going to track Minato's strike with Sharingan if it's a back attack? How is mentally reacting to Juubito proof that he can physically dodge BSM Minato's Hiraishin blitz? Lmao. You sound dumb as hell.

The panel belows show nothing like that all we seen is naruto tails looking conjoined together for one big tail and you say that aswell nice try but hell no

Are you daft? You can literally see the 9 ends of his 9 tails. Meaning he did not lose a tail.

you can clearly see the 2 tails that countered his perfect susanoo slash are cut clean off and shorter than the others unless your grasping at straws so much you try disecting the manga panles. No one said it would be as strong as chidori without chidori stream it was cut the part of the tail it made contact with off so with it cuts clean through like butter.

Dafuq are you even talking about? So now you can't even interpret pictures correctly?

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9 points. 9 tails. This is what his tails look like when they've been cut/blown off.

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Such an effect is nowhere to be seen. Then we continue to panels after that clash, cause we know Naruto's tails don't regenerate while he's still in BM.

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Inb4 you say something dumb like "hurr durr those were clones hurr durr" The clones kept all the damage the original Kurama took.

Then there's the fact that Hagoromo's chakra does not give you new mastery over your abilities and combinations that comes with them furthermore this is adult sasuke without Hagoromo boost he gets all his feats his abilities are just scaled down to a level where he does not fodder everyone so your point is moot.

Kakashi couldn't combine Raikiri and Kamui w/o it.
Kakashi couldn't combine Kamui and his Shuriken w/o it.
Kakashi couldn't even use Susanoo w/o it.
Naruto couldn't use Avatar Clones w/o Hagoromo's power.
Naruto couldn't use Bijuu Dama Rasen Shuriken despite having all the components for it.

Nice try. Call me when Adult Sasuke w/ Rinnegan but no Rikudo Chakra shows:

-CT w/o Cores.
-Chidori on PS.

I just gave you proof read above you clown and like i said in that thread when i made you concede when your back against the wall your only argument is proof ***** get a new word its getting old.

Except you haven't given me proof. You gave me a wall of bullshit that you call an argument. Don't get pissy when someone asks you to prove your claims. If you don't wanna prove the shit you spew, I suggest you get off the forum and stop wasting my time. It's crazy how you keep talking about that thread, even though it wasn't even a character VS thread, and it was a dumb topic which could easily go either way considering it was Rikudo PS. It's pathetic how desperate you are to beat me tbh.

As i said above Sasuke has all his feats just scaled down to reasonable levels that simple you even claim he has amenotejikara which is a just comprised of his rinnegan which is only possibly through Hagoromo's chakra you give him that but you try to give him his other abilities why because you know they'd be a problem even amenotejikara is a problem but you underestimated it. Him flying that high was in a response to you saying a charged bijuu dama would pose any sort of threat to sasuke you fuu furthermore turning him to chibaku tensei's core he can do form that high up so Sasuke can still whack him.

Wrong. Downscaling shows that BM Naruto would be able to react to Sasuke's Ameno blitz if he didn't have Rikudo's power. You are trying to say that he can blitz BSM Minato before he can warp away with Hiraishin despite BSM Minato being far faster than BM Naruto. You claim this all because you think Sasuke as an Adult's speed has grown so much that he can do so, but you can't even prove that it has.

Flash BD charges in a matter of seconds. Sasuke's PS doesn't have the feats to reach an altitude that high before Minato lets it loose on him, or are you still giving Rikudo Sasuke's feats to Rinnegan Sasuke w/ no Rikudo Chakra? Like the bold. That's a Rikudo Chakra Sasuke feat. End of story.

Considering i just spanked you and made you concede im feeling pretty good about going up against you i already explained what happens in the scenario as to why Sasuke would still spank him.

Ooo, you made me agree that Rikudo Sasuke can crush 3rd Raikage w/ his PS's hand. Not a big accomplishment. Already told your clownass never to talk shit to me again. :lol. Stayed saying:

-Your counter was pathetic.
-Your post was shitty.
-End it one post.

During the tourney, but what happened the judges decided to take a look at it?

Oh wait, kicked out at the first round. Lol.

Stop overrated BSM it literally has not shown anything better than bm in that's real shit

Irrelevant. BM Naruto w/ Senjutsu>>BM Naruto w/o Senjutsu. Not debatable. Don't try and deny it.

Sasuke susanoo would be stronger than Madara's due to him having stronger chakra.

Proof that Adult Sasuke w/o Hagoromo's chakra has chakra comparable to Madara's let alone stronger? Because God knows EMS Sasuke's Susanoo would be stomped by EMS Madara's.

You claim a flash bijuu dama would destroy a susanoo

Nope. Learn how to read. I said that 2-3 Flash BDs w/ Senjutsu in them would destroy Adult EMS Sasuke's Susanoo.

and he's where i shit on you with your own logic you claimed that Madara's Perfect susanoo is stronger than Sasuke's the one he used when they fought juubito becuse you said that was how strong Sasuke perfect susanoo would be and you scaled that to vote which sasuke susanoo at vote took only facial damage from a bijuu dama with a fairly large explosion so that would mean (going by your logic here) that sasuke susanoo from the juubito fight would equal Naruto's BSM Kurama and while Madara's was stronger than Sasuke's it would take even less damage from an attack you see your logic does not add up because your a very inconsistent person when your trying to help your own arguments.

Like the bold.

Yes. I did say that EMS Sasuke's Susanoo is weak a'f compared to EMS Madara's.
Yes. I did say that EMS Sasuke's Susanoo would take moderate damage from a standard BDx2 while EMS Madara would tank it with no damage.

But, I never said Flash BD would one shot Sasuke or Madara's Susanoo, not to mention nothing in the bold would even prove that I'm inconsistent with this logic and my current statement even if I had made that claim. If you downscale RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke's Chidori BD clash, you come to the conclusion that a STANDARD BDx2 would do minor damage to Sasuke's PS. Flash BD>>>>Standard BD. Why in the **** are you looking at the explosion size of RSM Naruto's BD and RINNEGAN Sasuke's PS Chidori to determine the power of the standard BD of BM Naruto? Smh. Learn how to downscale while you are learning how to read.


I'm only inconsistent to those who try their hardest to make me out to be inconsistent, thus they twist/purposely misinterpret what I've stated so that they don't come out sounding like a retard. It's pretty sad how your obsession with besting some dude over the internet in a debate has led you to constantly twist my logic around to make me sound like you do, dumb as hell.

Give me a break. Cry me a river. Learn how to read while you're at it.

Your delusional to think that perfect susanoo cannot hurt a bsm kurama when it was destroyed be a simply floor throwing

A floor throwing that by a Juubi Jinchuuriki that created a humongous ass crater in the process. Then there's the fact that PS already failed to hurt Kurama w/ it's sword slashes.

Sasuke amenotejikara right on top of Minato's Avatar is cuts its head off like how he punched kurama's avatar at VOTE he does that but with his sword and a disection.

Sasuke Amenos behind/above Minato's Avatar, then Minato either responds by warping away or he tanks Sasuke's pathetic ass attack.

Btw *bisection. Not dissection. Smh.

Read above your honestly not worth debating your the most washed up debater on this site Kifflom.

Didn't Kifflom already whoop your ass in a debate son?

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Oh wait. He did.

 

[KidGamer65]

Stop denying manga facts. Kyuubi stated chakra AND power. How can power be sinister? Let alone superior in being sinister? Makes no sense. Not to mention he said it's comparable to madara's, not equal to.

Lmao. Just like the rest said, Kyuubi said that his eyes have such power and that his chakra is sinister. Similar to Madara's. He never compared the power of their chakra. He never mentioned power and chakra together. Power with eyes and sinister with chakra. Not to mention nothing states or implies that Sasuke's chakra is more powerful than Kurama's.

I'm suggesting he's more proficient with it given he can manifest a sole head of PS. And Madara and Sasuke have the strongest chakra because they are Indra's reincarnates. Kyuubi stated Sasuke's chakra is just as powerful as Madara's. Only difference was quantity, but I'd presume after 12 years they are roughly equal.

The bold has nothing to do with the potency of Sasuke's chakra. Like I've said, and others have said. Kyuubi never said squat about Sasuke's chakra being as powerful as Madara's. He said that his eyes have power in them like Madara's did, and he said that Sasuke's chakra is more sinister than his own, just like Madara's. You say that Hebi Sasuke as chakra "just as powerful as Madara's", even though his EMS Susanoo is nowhere near as strong as Madara's. Which wouldn't make a bit of sense if Kyuubi really did say that Sasuke's chakra is comparable to Madara's in the power area. No evidence that Sasuke's chakra is as powerful as Madara's as Adult w/o Hagoromo's chakra. Both being Indra's reincarnates isn't a good enough argument.

Since when is Minato adept enough with SM to fuse Senjutsu with his Kurama avatar? He needed Naruto to add his Senjutsu chakra to the Rasengan [

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]. So suggesting Minato will start off with a SM avatar is rather fallacious given he didn't even do that versus a Juubi Jin. So Flash Bijuu Dama is certainly not doing damage on the level you are suggesting.

Completely irrelevant since OP stated that this is BSM Minato. Whether or not he can actually do it doesn't matter. OP's conditions trump.

What do you mean? I am suggesting every time Minato attempts Flash Bijuu Dama Sasuke Ameno's it onto Minato mid-preperation. Sure, he can teleport it away because it's linked to his chakra, but there's no reason to assume Kunai's will be present in the battlefield since 1 PS shockwave destroys the entire ground, just like 1 PS shockwave destroyed the entire Mokuton forest Madara created. Minato cannot spam Flash Bijuu Dama. I don't know where this argument is coming from anyways.

How in the world does that even make sense? The Bijuu Dama is already on Minato's person while he's charging it up. How is Ameno going to warp it somewhere it already is? Especially when it's still being charged up. Kunai can't be destroyed by PS's shockwaves. Smh. The fact that it's so small while the AoE of the slash is not focused on the Kunai at all, and is humongous in comparison ends that argument. It could only cause the ground to break apart. Mokuton and rubble were still left behind. So how are Kunai going to be wiped out? Makes no sense.

Minato not being able to spam Flash Bijuu Dama is irrelevant. Not even sure what you mean by the term "spam". If you mean that he can't use it over and over again, then you'd have to actually provide some kind of reasoning for that.

Although I agree that there's no noticeable power boost that I recall, I'd still assume if it became his eye then the power within it would transfer to him too, as do its constituent jutsu.

Yeah, it does. That only means that the boost isn't as great as you'd assume that it would be based on Obito's statement.

How would they not be destroyed by a PS shockwave that can slice mountains like they are butter?

Read above.

But anyways, he can't spam Flash Bijuu Dama, so the notion that Minato is at an advantage against Sasuke every time he teleports a Flash Bijuu Dama away is false. What will he do once he no longer can use Flashi Bijuu Dama? Teleport around? Because he sure as hell won't have any method to scratch his PS.

What are you talking about? Minato can use Flash Bijuu Dama as long as he has chakra to use Flash Bijuu Dama. Considering the amount that a flash Bijuu Dama takes up is far far below Kurama's total reserves, I think it's safe to say that he can use it as many times as he wants before his time limit is up. Then there's the fact that Ameno has a cooldown. Minato has no cooldown. If he keeps spamming it to deal with Flash Bijuu Dama (a plan that doesn't even work anyway) after 3-4 uses, he's stuck on a long cooldown like he was vs. Kaguya, and with no way to evade BD.

There's not much that definately proves that Naruto's BM cloak is faster than KCM, but there are a bunch of small hints. Like his speed feats seem much more impressive but don't have anything easy to quantify. Plus I find it hard to believe that SM alone would have boosted his KCM speed to the point where he could keep up with Juubito.

Although If they have the same speed then your scaling with BSM still stands. Sasuke isn't blitzing Minato either way

The best speed feat I can recall from BM Naruto is when he used Flash Shunshin to save Kakashi and Gai. Not sure if that trumps him evading V2 Ay point blank. Naruto only kept up with Juubito via his reaction speed and Kurama Avatar's movement speed, and considering Sage Mode is a huge boost to speed and reactions, I'm not really that surprised. If he were keeping up physically than something would be up.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Sigh. Sasuke negs. PS puts him on par with Minato Avatar. Ameno > FTG, especially when the region isn't marked. Rinnegan can summon Gedo mazo. Gedo Mazo in PS armor stomps. Chakra chains stomps. CT stomps. Sasuke negs.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Lmao. Just like the rest said, Kyuubi said that his eyes have such power and that his chakra is sinister. Similar to Madara's. He never compared the power of their chakra. He never mentioned power and chakra together. Power with eyes and sinister with chakra. Not to mention nothing states or implies that Sasuke's chakra is more powerful than Kurama's.



The bold has nothing to do with the potency of Sasuke's chakra. Like I've said, and others have said. Kyuubi never said squat about Sasuke's chakra being as powerful as Madara's. He said that his eyes have power in them like Madara's did, and he said that Sasuke's chakra is more sinister than his own, just like Madara's. You say that Hebi Sasuke as chakra "just as powerful as Madara's", even though his EMS Susanoo is nowhere near as strong as Madara's. Which wouldn't make a bit of sense if Kyuubi really did say that Sasuke's chakra is comparable to Madara's in the power area. No evidence that Sasuke's chakra is as powerful as Madara's as Adult w/o Hagoromo's chakra. Both being Indra's reincarnates isn't a good enough argument.




Completely irrelevant since OP stated that this is BSM Minato. Whether or not he can actually do it doesn't matter. OP's conditions trump.



How in the world does that even make sense? The Bijuu Dama is already on Minato's person while he's charging it up. How is Ameno going to warp it somewhere it already is? Especially when it's still being charged up. Kunai can't be destroyed by PS's shockwaves. Smh. The fact that it's so small while the AoE of the slash is not focused on the Kunai at all, and is humongous in comparison ends that argument. It could only cause the ground to break apart. Mokuton and rubble were still left behind. So how are Kunai going to be wiped out? Makes no sense.

Minato not being able to spam Flash Bijuu Dama is irrelevant. Not even sure what you mean by the term "spam". If you mean that he can't use it over and over again, then you'd have to actually provide some kind of reasoning for that.





Yeah, it does. That only means that the boost isn't as great as you'd assume that it would be based on Obito's statement.




Read above.



What are you talking about? Minato can use Flash Bijuu Dama as long as he has chakra to use Flash Bijuu Dama. Considering the amount that a flash Bijuu Dama takes up is far far below Kurama's total reserves, I think it's safe to say that he can use it as many times as he wants before his time limit is up. Then there's the fact that Ameno has a cooldown. Minato has no cooldown. If he keeps spamming it to deal with Flash Bijuu Dama (a plan that doesn't even work anyway) after 3-4 uses, he's stuck on a long cooldown like he was vs. Kaguya, and with no way to evade BD.



The best speed feat I can recall from BM Naruto is when he used Flash Shunshin to save Kakashi and Gai. Not sure if that trumps him evading V2 Ay point blank. Naruto only kept up with Juubito via his reaction speed and Kurama Avatar's movement speed, and considering Sage Mode is a huge boost to speed and reactions, I'm not really that surprised. If he were keeping up physically than something would be up.

Not warp the bijuu dama. Switch places with minato. Minato attacks. Sasuke switches places with him, Minato gets hit by his own attack. Sasuke can pretty much spam this tech. Minato isn't hitting him unless he can get FTG mark on Sasuke. Which I seriously doubt happening.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not warp the bijuu dama. Switch places with minato. Minato attacks. Sasuke switches places with him, Minato gets hit by his own attack. Sasuke can pretty much spam this tech. Minato isn't hitting him unless he can get FTG mark on Sasuke. Which I seriously doubt happening.

Smh. Terrible ass plan since Minato would just use S/T Barrier to redirect it right back at Sasuke, or he'd teleport out of the way, or he'd warp it when it made contact with his chakra (Avatar). And no, he can't spam Ameno. It has a cooldown as shown in the Manga.

Like I said. What a fanboy.

 

[Rimitri Drascalov]

Sasuke does not possess a Susanoo at 1/74747th of Madara's power. He loses.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Smh. Terrible ass plan since Minato would just use S/T Barrier to redirect it right back at Sasuke, or he'd teleport out of the way, or he'd warp it when it made contact with his chakra (Avatar). And no, he can't spam Ameno. It has a cooldown as shown in the Manga.

Like I said. What a fanboy.

Adult Sasuke's ameno has no cooldown period. If Sasuke switches places with him at the last possible moment, how is he going to escape?

I just had time to read some of your previous posts, and you are basically saying that everything sasuke did post Hagaromo is due to rikudou chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

Adult Sasuke's ameno has no cooldown period

Fanfiction isn't allowed here.

If Sasuke switches places with him at the last possible moment, how is he going to escape?

He teleports after he reacts, just like Naruto and Kaguya did. My post already explains this. Don't reply with the same questions that have already been answered.

I just had time to read some of your previous posts, and you are basically saying that everything sasuke did post Hagaromo is due to rikudou chakra.

-Chidori on PS.
-CT w/ no Cores.
-Being fast enough to tag JJ Madara and Naruto.
-Having Chakra superior to Madara's.

That's all because of Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Fanfiction isn't allowed here.




He teleports after he reacts, just like Naruto and Kaguya did. My post already explains this. Don't reply with the same questions that have already been answered.



-Chidori on PS.
-CT w/ no Cores.
-Being fast enough to tag JJ Madara and Naruto.
-Having Chakra superior to Madara's.

That's all because of Hagoromo's chakra.

Adult Sasuke used ameno repeatedly. no cooldown.

So where do you draw the line? how about ameno? He has only ever done that with rikudou chakra. Or Susanoo with wings?

 

[KidGamer65]

Adult Sasuke used ameno repeatedly. no cooldown.

No, he didn't. He used it only once against Shin, and then used it another time to get to where Shin was. Him using it to search Kaguya's dimensions doesn't mean that he used it repeatedly with no cooldown, since he could've easily waited the cooldown out as we did not see him do any of this on panel.

Ameno w/ no cooldown is fanfic.

So where do you draw the line? how about ameno? He has only ever done that with rikudou chakra. Or Susanoo with wings?

Ameno is a Jutsu used via his Rinnegan. At best it'd only be less effective. Rikudo's power didn't give his PS wings either. DB says that PS can fly.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

No, he didn't. He used it only once against Shin, and then used it another time to get to where Shin was. Him using it to search Kaguya's dimensions doesn't mean that he used it repeatedly with no cooldown, since he could've easily waited the cooldown out as we did not see him do any of this on panel.

Ameno w/ no cooldown is fanfic.



Ameno is a Jutsu used via his Rinnegan. At best it'd only be less effective. Rikudo's power didn't give his PS wings either. DB says that PS can fly.

Didn't sasuke ameno his sword to him right after using ameno to dodge shin's attack?

 

[KidGamer65]

Didn't sasuke ameno his sword to him right after using ameno to dodge shin's attack?

Nope. Pretty sure that Shin let go after he got blasted and Sasuke caught it. Even if he did, he's shown to use Ameno multiple times with a few seconds in between each usage. After he uses it around 3 times he gets hit with a longer cooldown. That is Manga fact.

 

[NarutoX28]

Totally forgot about that, but while we're on the subject. How do we know that BM is faster than KCM? They are considered to be the same state when it comes to databooks, except one looks difference since Naruto uses that form with Kurama Mode. Not to mention they've both been paralleled to Minato and they both make the same flash. And if it is faster, by how much?

He certainly is. Increased Chakra Control has yielded multiple ninja far greater speed and reaction feats and BM Naruto in general is far superior to KCM Naruto, not to mention his Flicker managed to deflect multiple Bijuudama which implies a greater force was exerted in order to do so which should correlate to an increase in speed.