JJ Madara Uchiha VS Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

[Strict]

No, he does not have to touch them. The Rinnegan provides a 360 degree bubble that halts and absorbs anything that touches it. The bones are nin-jutsu. The Rinnegan absorbs "all jutsu". There's no proof of chakra being able to change the properties of something indefintely even without chakra. There's absolutely no reason for it to not have chakra.

Yeah, like the bubble absorbed the Chakra out of the Wood Dragon. Oh wait..

 

[~Ethereal~]

Interesting.

 

[Holy God]

Yeah, like the bubble absorbed the Chakra out of the Wood Dragon. Oh wait..

You know why that happened, right? The wood technique was also absorbing chakra so it and the Rinnegan were doing the same thing, therefore nullifying the attempt.

 

[Strict]

You know why that happened, right? The wood technique was also absorbing chakra so it and the Rinnegan were doing the same thing, therefore nullifying the attempt.

Yeah, the wood dragon absorbs Chakra per touch. But as you said, Gakido can create a bubble which absorbs all Chakra from this point. So Gakido should have rendered the wood dragon useless before it even touched Madara, as the bubble would have sucked up the wood dragon's Chakra.

Ash bones one shot.

And by the way, by your logic, Taijutsu would be useless against Gakido, since, once the victim entered the bubble, it would suck up the person's Chakra. But wait, we have learned from the Manga that Taijutsu is Gakido's weakness. So your argument has been proven false. If the bubble doesn't suck up a person's Chakra when he enters the bubble, it won't suck out the Chakra of the bones. And whether the bones have Chakra must be proven by you as well.

Go home pal.

 

[-immortal-]

Wait.. What happens if both use mugen tsukuyomi at the same time

 

[Holy God]

Yeah, the wood dragon absorbs Chakra per touch. But as you said, Gakido can create a bubble which absorbs all Chakra from this point. So Gakido should have rendered the wood dragon useless before it even touched Madara, as the bubble would have sucked up the wood dragon's Chakra.

Ash bones one shot.

And by the way, by your logic, Taijutsu would be useless against Gakido, since, once the victim entered the bubble, it would suck up the person's Chakra. But wait, we have learned from the Manga that Taijutsu is Gakido's weakness. So your argument has been proven false. If the bubble doesn't suck up a person's Chakra when he enters the bubble, it won't suck out the Chakra of the bones. And whether the bones have Chakra must be proven by you as well.

Go home pal.

It doesn't matter which activates faster. The fact is that they are both absorbing. Madara wasn't even shown using the bubble, which is optional. That means they both activated on touch.

And yes, it would work. The difference however is that close-range combat is so fast that the effect is basically useless. We've already seen Pain take sage chakra from Naruto, through his body.

 

[Strict]

So close range combat is too fast but Kaguya's ash bones, which can't be dodged by neither Sasuke nor Naruto, aren't fast enough.

Oh boy.

 

[Holy God]

So close range combat is too fast but Kaguya's ash bones, which can't be dodged by neither Sasuke nor Naruto, aren't fast enough.

Oh boy.

Nin-jutsu is halted before the bubble, as I've previously stated.

 

[Strict]

Nin-jutsu is halted before the bubble, as I've previously stated.

You have nothing stated, just claimed. The bones are a physical construct like our body. The bubble only stops the Ninjutsu if it is Chakra.

 

[Holy God]

You have nothing stated, just claimed. The bones are a physical construct like our body. The bubble only stops the Ninjutsu if it is Chakra.

lolwat. State and claim can be used exchangeably. I did "clearly express" (the definition of state) the matter.

All nin-jutsu use chakra. The DataBook specifically states "jutsu". You'd be suggesting that All-Killing Ash Bone is not a jutsu.

 

[KCN]

Kaguya bends Madara over her lap and sticks her spinal bone up his butthole. It ends there.

 

[Unorthodox]

Them Madara fans ambushed Kidgamers ass LMAOOOOO

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Perfectschizoid putting in work lmao

 

[KidGamer65]

countered? by who?? lmaooo why is it madara can't power up his susano again?

Please read above. End of discussion.

Nope. You need to try again. It says "Jutsu". It does not say "Jutsu with chakra". It even goes so far to say "regardless of it's chakra properties", meaning it does not matter whether or not it has chakra. If your theory was true, the disintegration would still be a chakra property since the bone did not originally have it. Regardless, unlike what you said or continue to paste, you have not proven that All-Killing Ash Bone does not contain chakra. You give the example of Authority Of the Gods, but it can't just happen. The vortex does consist of chakra or else it wouldn't know when to stop or where to be created. It's like Amaterasu.

You stupid?

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"ABSORBED CHAKRA"

It absorbs chakra. Most Jutsu have chakra, hence it saying jutsu, but not all jutsu have chakra, so it can't absorb those. As Strict said, Preta can't absorb Mokuton. Please get this horseshit out of here kiddo.

That explanation of the technique is idiotic. We've seen from the example of Obito that the technique has to spread. The whole body does not immediately start breaking down.

No, the whole body is affected. Doesn't mean that the whole body breaks down at the same time. Madara using Gudo Dama to erase parts of his body to counter Ash Bone is probably the stupidest argument you could possibly muster up, especially since she can just nail him in multiple areas at once, or just keep hitting him till his dumbass has either vaporized himself to the point where he can't counter the next one, or until he lets himself be turned to dust.

That scan proves nothing as the situation is different. Whenever a clash such as that happen, the central objects are unaffected. You'd be suggesting that Sasuke in Naruto (the series) could survive a Rasengan with no damage either because he survived the clash.

It's pure chakra. Madara's chakra is stronger than Kurama's. It's, as you say, "as simple as that". Since Naruto was able to counter it to an extent, that means Madara does the same. Not to mention that Kaguya was barely dodging Sasuke's swings. Madara with the Six Paths Sage Mode should be better able to track her and land a hit. That combined with clones getting her from different sides makes it even harder for her to escape.

Not seeing the feats. So I don't give a shit about your explanations. Not to mention you haven't even addressed the whole post.

You stupid? Oh wait, you are. Lmao. She evaded Sasuke's strikes while low on chakra with only one arm. Where is this "barely" bullshit coming from? Oh wait, your ass. Lmao. Madara having Rikudo Senjutsu (not RSM) doesn't mean he'll be able to hit Kaguya. Nor does it change the fact that he can't dodge/overpower/defend from her techniques.

Yes he would.

Based on what? Oh wait, nothing.

He can evade them. He's fast enough to dodge.

Based on nothing. Especially when faster people (Naruto) had to counter.

He doesn't have to overpower them however because he only has to counter them to an extent in order to not be affected as much. Then he simply flies away.

Except he can't do that, and even if he could, she'd overpower him and then squash him. There is no "flying away". But considering how stupid you've shown yourself to be, you'll drag this discussion on till Kishimoto tells you how much of a retard you are face to face.

There's a limit however. There's a distance in which the fists are created after to as to not affect the user. Not to mention Kaguya has to be facing Madara. She can't attack all angles.

Distance isn't relevant unless:

1. She tries to fire when he's too far away.
2. He can break away from her and get far enough for this to make a difference.

So then Madara moves faster than either Naruto can sense or Sasuke can see? That's quite the useful information.

They saw him move. Lmao. What in the world are you even talking about?

It was never stated that their was a time interval between uses however, so they can continue to come out.

Exactly. Madara isn't more powerful but he can defeat Kaguya.

Which is based on nothing dumbass. Lmao.

 

[Holy God]

You stupid?

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"ABSORBED CHAKRA"

It absorbs chakra. Most Jutsu have chakra, hence it saying jutsu, but not all jutsu have chakra, so it can't absorb those. As Strict said, Preta can't absorb Mokuton. Please get this horseshit out of here kiddo.

The picture literally says all jutsu is sucked away and rendered useless. The bones lose their chakra and regenerative properties.

No, the whole body is affected. Doesn't mean that the whole body breaks down at the same time. Madara using Gudo Dama to erase parts of his body to counter Ash Bone is probably the stupidest argument you could possibly muster up, especially since she can just nail him in multiple areas at once, or just keep hitting him till his dumbass has either vaporized himself to the point where he can't counter the next one, or until he lets himself be turned to dust.

The technique has to spread. I personally looked at the pages and saw that the cracks spread from the origin to the rest of the body. She also wouldn't be able to get him in multiple areas. He aborbs or deflects them with his Truth-Seeking Spheres.

That scan proves nothing as the situation is different. Whenever a clash such as that happen, the central objects are unaffected. You'd be suggesting that Sasuke in Naruto (the series) could survive a Rasengan with no damage either because he survived the clash.

I'm the one who actually said this. It was in your post as regular text and seems to have been missed by you.

You stupid? Oh wait, you are. Lmao. She evaded Sasuke's strikes while low on chakra with only one arm. Where is this "barely" bullshit coming from? Oh wait, your ass. Lmao. Madara having Rikudo Senjutsu (not RSM) doesn't mean he'll be able to hit Kaguya. Nor does it change the fact that he can't dodge/overpower/defend from her techniques.

Chakra doesn't determine how fast she is, nor does one arm. This "barely" is the fact that she is not far from getting hit by the blade. If you're suggesting that the ten-tails does not provide the Six Paths Sage Mode, then that means Kaguya would have no way of sensing Limbo as her RinneSharingan is only said to contain the powers of the Sharingan.

Based on nothing. Especially when faster people (Naruto) had to counter.

Obviously. What was Naruto going to do? Dodge and let everybody else get hit? Eighty Gods Vacuum has no impressive speed feats. Not enough to catch someone as fast as Madara.

Except he can't do that, and even if he could, she'd overpower him and then squash him. There is no "flying away". But considering how stupid you've shown yourself to be, you'll drag this discussion on till Kishimoto tells you how much of a retard you are face to face.

He can since his chakra is stronger than Naruto's. Being overpowered means nothing though since Madara has shadows and clones that distract her enough so that he can fly away.

Distance isn't relevant unless:

1. She tries to fire when he's too far away.
2. He can break away from her and get far enough for this to make a difference.

There's a small distance between Kaguya and the actual fists as well.

They saw him move. Lmao. What in the world are you even talking about?

No they didn't. They were clearly surprised and did not know where Madara went until Sasuke used his Rinnegan and had to alert Naruto of his whereabouts.

It was never stated that their was a time interval between uses however, so they can continue to come out.

This was also my quote that you missed yet left in the text.

 

[Rιver]

Man aren't you dense.

 

[KidGamer65]

The picture literally says all jutsu is sucked away and rendered useless. The bones lose their chakra and regenerative properties.

The entry states that the chakra is sucked away. It is not chakra. So he can't absorb it. End of story. Counter that or don't bother replying at all.

The technique has to spread. I personally looked at the pages and saw that the cracks spread from the origin to the rest of the body. She also wouldn't be able to get him in multiple areas. He aborbs or deflects them with his Truth-Seeking Spheres.

Can you stop with this stupidity? Once you are hit, you are dead. Whether or not the whole body disintegrates at once doesn't change that fact. He can't absorb them, and his Gudo Dama just get disintegrated or the bones go right through them since they can rip through a PS.

That scan proves nothing as the situation is different. Whenever a clash such as that happen, the central objects are unaffected. You'd be suggesting that Sasuke in Naruto (the series) could survive a Rasengan with no damage either because he survived the clash.

Wow. What a retard. Lmao. Explosions get stronger the closer you get the center. What in the hell are you even talking about? What's worse is that they came out with damage, so how in the hell did you reach the conclusion that they are unaffected? PS survived Naruto's Bijuu Dama. Canon.

Chakra doesn't determine how fast she is, nor does one arm. This "barely" is the fact that she is not far from getting hit by the blade. If you're suggesting that the ten-tails does not provide the Six Paths Sage Mode, then that means Kaguya would have no way of sensing Limbo as her RinneSharingan is only said to contain the powers of the Sharingan.

Yes it does. Please read the Manga.

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She dodged it completely. There is no "barely".

What a joke. So now RINNESharingan only has Sharingan powers? Despite it looking like a red RINNEGAN with Tomoe? Any more gems you wanna drop on me while you are on this streak of saying stupid shit?

Obviously. What was Naruto going to do? Dodge and let everybody else get hit? Eighty Gods Vacuum has no impressive speed feats. Not enough to catch someone as fast as Madara.

She used them on Naruto then, and while she was fighting him one on one. So once again, Madara isn't dodging shit, especially when used in CQC.

He can since his chakra is stronger than Naruto's. Being overpowered means nothing though since Madara has shadows and clones that distract her enough so that he can fly away.

Where are the feats? How do these clones and shadows distract her? She'd plow through them then she'd catch the real Madara. You keep repeating this same vague ass bullshit over and over and over again.

There's a small distance between Kaguya and the actual fists as well.

Irrelevant.

No they didn't. They were clearly surprised and did not know where Madara went until Sasuke used his Rinnegan and had to alert Naruto of his whereabouts.

Are you stupid? They were surprised that he escaped. Not because he was so fast that they couldn't react, especially when they have already proven that they can react to him perfectly. But of course, you'll drag on this point because you don't have the intellectual capacity to read a simple Manga targeted at young people.

It was never stated that their was a time interval between uses however, so they can continue to come out.

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"Him and his shadow will probably be overlapping for a while".

Lmao. Please read the ****ing Manga.

 

[Holy God]

The entry states that the chakra is sucked away. It is not chakra. So he can't absorb it. End of story. Counter that or don't bother replying at all.

The entry states that all jutsu is rendered useless. You can't accept one part and not the other. There's also no proof that the All-Killing Ash Bone does not contain chakra.

Can you stop with this stupidity? Once you are hit, you are dead. Whether or not the whole body disintegrates at once doesn't change that fact. He can't absorb them, and his Gudo Dama just get disintegrated or the bones go right through them since they can rip through a PS.

I can't see how the whole body is affected. His defense though work. The Truth-Seeking Spheres nullify the effect of the bones and block them as well. Limbo can also smack them away if they're on the defensive.

Wow. What a retard. Lmao. Explosions get stronger the closer you get the center. What in the hell are you even talking about? What's worse is that they came out with damage, so how in the hell did you reach the conclusion that they are unaffected? PS survived Naruto's Bijuu Dama. Canon.

Not here. If you're in the core you're affected the least when it comes to clashes. Sasuke in Naruto (the series) came out with far less damage than what would have happened if he was actually hit with a Rasengan or Chidori. It always happens.

Yes it does. Please read the Manga.

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She dodged it completely. There is no "barely".

What a joke. So now RINNESharingan only has Sharingan powers? Despite it looking like a red RINNEGAN with Tomoe? Any more gems you wanna drop on me while you are on this streak of saying stupid shit?

Forgot about that.

Barely? It almost sliced her.

You're always questioning feats, so I decided to as well. The RinneSharingan has only said to have the powers of the Sharigan. It cannot see the Limbo plane.

She used them on Naruto then, and while she was fighting him one on one. So once again, Madara isn't dodging shit, especially when used in CQC.

In close-quarter combat Madara has more of a chance. The fists have a certain range as to before they appear. This is the reason why she didn't use them before she got sealed, as they were too close.

Where are the feats? How do these clones and shadows distract her? She'd plow through them then she'd catch the real Madara. You keep repeating this same vague ass bullshit over and over and over again.

His was Indra's transmigrant for one, who's chakra is already stronger than Ashura's. Then he went on to become something like Hagoromo's transmigrant by generating his chakra. Then he goes further to absorb the ten-tails. The clones and shadows attack from different angles at Kaguya, so she fails to get all of them without trouble. They're fast too so they can evade the initial hits.

Are you stupid? They were surprised that he escaped. Not because he was so fast that they couldn't react, especially when they have already proven that they can react to him perfectly. But of course, you'll drag on this point because you don't have the intellectual capacity to read a simple Manga targeted at young people.

If his shadow and him were at the same spot, then they failed to react to him. It's very simple. Even Naruto questioned the fact that he moved. The only thing he went off of was the fact that he couldn't see anything then.

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"Him and his shadow will probably be overlapping for a while".

Lmao. Please read the ****ing Manga.

You're right there. I'll give him an interval of about 7-10 seconds based on that.

 

[KidGamer65]

The entry states that all jutsu is rendered useless. You can't accept one part and not the other. There's also no proof that the All-Killing Ash Bone does not contain chakra.

Nope. "All Jutsu rendered useless" is a hyperbole. If that was true, Mokuton would've been rendered useless....but oh wait, Madara couldn't absorb it. Just how he couldn't absorb Myojinmon when he was trapped. Now once again, Preta Path absorbs CHAKRA. Nothing else.

Already provided proof. Ignoring it won't make it go away.

Wrong. Kamui has no chakra in the barrier as the barrier is a rip in space. Yet it's considered Ninjutsu. Kaguya's bones are based on Shikotsumyaku (or rather Kaguya's bones are the original model of Kimimaro's KKG) which do not have chakra inside them. I have no reason to believe that there is chakra inside of them. Throwing around "Absorbs Ninjutsu" means jack shit when Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Not all Ninjutsu. CHAKRA. Get me panels of Rinnegan absorbing something that isn't chakra and we'll talk.

Kaguya's bones=Origin of Kimimaro's KKG.
Kimimaro's KKG use chakra to change the bone. No chakra is put inside the bone.

Provide counter evidence and not a repeat, or I'll take your concession on this point.

I can't see how the whole body is affected. His defense though work. The Truth-Seeking Spheres nullify the effect of the bones and block them as well. Limbo can also smack them away if they're on the defensive.

He can't negate Kaguya's attacks. Lmao. Just how Naruto couldn't negate Sasuke's attacks, or Madara couldn't negate Naruto or Sasuke's attacks. If Limbo intercept, they get hit, disintegrate/return to Madara's body, and then Kaguya just hits Madara with more.

Not here. If you're in the core you're affected the least when it comes to clashes. Sasuke in Naruto (the series) came out with far less damage than what would have happened if he was actually hit with a Rasengan or Chidori. It always happens.

Wrong. Not with Bijuu Dama. Rasengan and Chidori's energy gets spread out, that's why it's weak enough to let them survive. Explosions are stronger at the epicenter. That's a fact of life. Then there's the fact that Chidori and Rasengan's clash blew their arms off at VoTE, but let me guess:

They were barely affected amirite?

Barely? It almost sliced her.

Except it didn't. You keep throwing around the word barely, but it doesn't change the fact that while weakened and with one arm, she still evaded it.

You're always questioning feats, so I decided to as well. The RinneSharingan has only said to have the powers of the Sharigan. It cannot see the Limbo plane.

Irrelevant. RinneSharingan is stated to be the progenitor of Rinnegan and Sharingan. Thus it has the powers of both. Sasuke states that IT was cast with a RINNEGAN. Now, unless you have any real counter on this point, I'll take your concession.

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But this whole exchange has taught me that you aren't too bright in all seriousness.

In close-quarter combat Madara has more of a chance. The fists have a certain range as to before they appear. This is the reason why she didn't use them before she got sealed, as they were too close.

Of course, more nonsense you pulled out of your ass.

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Sasuke's Susanoo collided with her, and she responded by obliterating it with her chakra fist.

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Uses a fist right here, and Naruto was clashing with her from less than a foot away.

His was Indra's transmigrant for one, who's chakra is already stronger than Ashura's. Then he went on to become something like Hagoromo's transmigrant by generating his chakra. Then he goes further to absorb the ten-tails. The clones and shadows attack from different angles at Kaguya, so she fails to get all of them without trouble. They're fast too so they can evade the initial hits.

I'm not seeing the feats.

-You've given me no proof that he can evade her attacks when he was having issues with Naruto's attacks, when Naruto himself was having issues with her attacks.
-Attacking from all angles is irrelevant since:

1. She can move through her portals and teleport wherever she wants.
2. She can attack through her portals and hit whoever she wants wherever she wants.
3. They can't even hurt her.

If a simple "surround and attack from all angles" strategy would've worked, then Naruto wouldn't have had to make 1000 clones just to overwhelm her briefly, and even then she used Yomotsu Hirasaka to escape.

If his shadow and him were at the same spot, then they failed to react to him. It's very simple. Even Naruto questioned the fact that he moved. The only thing he went off of was the fact that he couldn't see anything then.

Naruto didn't question the fact that he moved. He was surprised that he moved because he was supposed to be bound.

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Sasuke states that he used the shadow in his place.

What's hilarious is that despite your idiotic claim that they couldn't react to him, Sasuke easily catches up.

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Then there's the fact that Naruto has superior reaction speed, so how can't he react to someone slower than him? Lmao. Give me real evidence or a real counter or I'll take your concession.

 

[HiddenSound]

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