JJ Madara Uchiha VS Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

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I just explained this, lmao.

What you are claiming is identical to me saying that Sasuke could pour as much of his reserves as he wanted to into his Susanoo to make it more powerful, or that Naruto could pour as much of his reserves into one Rasengan to make it as powerful as he wanted to. That's not how Ninjutsu works.


Knead/Release limits. Characters can't pump whatever amount of chakra they want to pump into their techniques.

thats a bad explanation i dont understand it lmao.

limit or not, madara having the juubi has the ability to use more natural energy than naruto did in vote 2 and more bijuu chakra than sasuke did for his susano. and its no damn reason to deny that. that + the seals its enough to light up a restricted kaguya.


his susano would be near unstoppable. imagine a PS with more bijuu chakra than sasuke had with a LOT of natural energy.
 

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thats a bad explanation i dont understand it lmao.

limit or not, madara having the juubi has the ability to use more natural energy than naruto did in vote 2 and more bijuu chakra than sasuke did for his susano. and its no damn reason to deny that. that + the seals its enough to light up a restricted kaguya.

No, it's not. You are implying that Madara can pump whatever amount of chakra into his Susanoo that he wants to. That's not how Ninjutsu works. You keep repeating the same thing over and over even though your argument doesn't even make sense and it goes against how techniques work.
 

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Kaguya is the mother of all Chakra and Kekkei Genkai. Guess who wins.
 

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No, it's not. You are implying that Madara can pump whatever amount of chakra into his Susanoo that he wants to. That's not how Ninjutsu works. You keep repeating the same thing over and over even though your argument doesn't even make sense and it goes against how techniques work.

just enough to stomp kaguya and it does make sense and it does not go against how techniques work. i already gave u examples on how people use bijuu's and juubi to power up attacks and susanos.

madara can make his susnao near unstoppable using the juubi. + Limbo PS its ova
 

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Once again, you've failed to provide evidence that Kaguya's bones have chakra inside them. A jutsu using chakra=/=A jutsu having CHAKRA INSIDE. I've explained this already yet all you do is reply with more bullshit that I've countered.

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And once again. Preta Path ABSORBS CHAKRA. Ash Bones are NOT CHAKRA. End of ****ing story. Lmao.
Once again, you've failed to provide evidence that Kaguya's bones, which are nin-jutsu, do not have chakra in them. Also, if you weren't so ignorant, you might have been able to look a little further below to where it, as I said before, "Every jutsu, regardless of it's chakra properties".

Erasing Ninjutsu has nothing to do with erasing the damage Ninjutsu does. How stupid are you and your posts going to get? What in the actual hell are you talking about with the bold? Lmao, doubt it's relevant anyway.


So basically you are claiming shit that you have no proof of? Ok then, when you can prove any of this garbage, then we can talk.
You're ignorance is showed here as well. The damage the All-Killing Ash Bone does won't be there because the Truth-Seeking Sphere creates a hole even large than the affected area. That means there is no bone nor damage from the bone as the entire area was erased.

The hypothetical was completely relevant. By countering my idea, you're essentially saying that the bone destroys the whole of anything it touches. That means you're saying that if Obito were to cut his finger off at the time of being hit, then the finger would still be disintegrated somehow.

You claimed that they are on par despite them not having the feats to be on par, so once again, you have no point. Being on par with Naruto's means just about jack shit anyway since Kaguya overpowered Naruto in the end, nor can Naruto bust PS with a Bijuu Dama let alone Chakra Arms.
The Perfect Susano'o has no feat of surviving a Tailed Beast Bomb, so you can't say that. Being on par with Naruto means he can counter the arms to an extent, so you've completely overexaggerated that. It means she'd be distracted with one while Limbo or a wood clone attack her. His shadows/clones are as fast as him, therefore faster than Truth-Seeking Spheres, therefore fast enough to reach Kaguya before they collide even four fists.

Sensing that Tobirama has arrived is NOT him reacting to the actual action of his teleportation. When Tobirama has arrived, he is not teleporting, so there is nothing to react to. How daft could you possibly be to not get this. You can't react to instant. It's impossible. End of story. You are literally debating against fact here.
Actually, Tobirama was already in movement when he teleported, as he was in the air. That means Madara reacted to the attack Tobirama prepared even before moving. Either way, you've admitted that Madara can sense the arrival of a teleportation user. He then went on to react to Tobirama. With the Six Paths Sage Mode, he then has Naruto-like reaction feats.


And then more come and squash him.
You'd be suggesting that Madara is simply going to wait for them.

She'll do what she has to if she wants to win. Your arguments went from weak, to weak and idiotic. Lmao.

Yes, there is. He switches out by leaving a Limbo in his place. Once he's switched with all 5, he can't switch again since there are no more clones with him to leave in his place. "She won't be able to knock Madara down" isn't a counter, it's a statement, and God knows I don't care about your statements.

Who cares? She can smash them all until the original is left behind. Got any more weak ass counters?
Derp. You're however stating that she'd, without a doubt, get him on the floor and be within distance to get at him before he got up. That's the equivalent to me saying he'd, without a doubt, crush her RinneSharingan.

She doesn't kill all the shadows. He'd switch places and immediately head to Kaguya. He can even get closer by constantly switching with clones as they move closer to her. The abundance of wood-clones also makes it impossible to tell what Madara is real. Should I even mention the fact that the shadows are immortal? You seem to be missing that.


Except I didn't say that. If you could read, you would see that I explained WHY Shisui can take out people stronger than him, because he has a hax Jutsu that lets him do so. Madara has no such thing, so please stop using Shisui as an example because your feats based arguments are too weak to prove your point.
It doesn't matter whether or not it's a "hax jutsu". It's still an exception.
 

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just enough to stomp kaguya and it does make sense and it does not go against how techniques work. i already gave u examples on how people use bijuu's and juubi to power up attacks and susanos.

madara can make his susnao near unstoppable using the juubi. + Limbo PS its ova

Nah dude KG is right. Kaguya was slaughtering Rikudo Sasukes PS left & right. Six Paths Senjutsu isn't helping it survive any longer.

Also Kaguya can see Limbos & their fail PS's with her Rinne Sharingan.

She takes this mid diff at most
 

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Nah dude KG is right. Kaguya was slaughtering Rikudo Sasukes PS left & right. Six Paths Senjutsu isn't helping it survive any longer.

Also Kaguya can see Limbos & their fail PS's with her Rinne Sharingan.

She takes this mid diff at most

its hard to concede to the guy because he calls u stupid and shit when he arguing lmao. its w/e tho kaguya on another level.
 

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Once again, you've failed to provide evidence that Kaguya's bones, which are nin-jutsu, do not have chakra in them. Also, if you weren't so ignorant, you might have been able to look a little further below to where it, as I said before, "Every jutsu, regardless of it's chakra properties".

Which refers to the properties of the chakra, which the BONES DO NOT HAVE. Try again.

Wrong. Kamui has no chakra in the barrier as the barrier is a rip in space. Yet it's considered Ninjutsu. Kaguya's bones are based on Shikotsumyaku (or rather Kaguya's bones are the original model of Kimimaro's KKG) which do not have chakra inside them. I have no reason to believe that there is chakra inside of them. Throwing around "Absorbs Ninjutsu" means jack shit when Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Not all Ninjutsu. CHAKRA. Get me panels of Rinnegan absorbing something that isn't chakra and we'll talk.

Already provided evidence, evidence you haven't countered. I'll take your concession on this point since it seems you have no real counter.

You're ignorance is showed here as well. The damage the All-Killing Ash Bone does won't be there because the Truth-Seeking Sphere creates a hole even large than the affected area. That means there is no bone nor damage from the bone as the entire area was erased.
So now you are saying he'll erase the whole part of his body that is affected? Lmao. That only speeds up his death moron. Once it hits, the target disintegrates, whether or not the afflicted area is removed doesn't change the fact that the target will disintegrate, because the effect is on the whole body, not that single area.

Your strategy is idiotic and makes no sense.

The hypothetical was completely relevant. By countering my idea, you're essentially saying that the bone destroys the whole of anything it touches. That means you're saying that if Obito were to cut his finger off at the time of being hit, then the finger would still be disintegrated somehow.

Your hypothetical is not only stupid

The Perfect Susano'o has no feat of surviving a Tailed Beast Bomb, so you can't say that. Being on par with Naruto means he can counter the arms to an extent, so you've completely overexaggerated that. It means she'd be distracted with one while Limbo or a wood clone attack her. His shadows/clones are as fast as him, therefore faster than Truth-Seeking Spheres, therefore fast enough to reach Kaguya before they collide even four fists.

Amazing.


The rest is irrelevant as you still haven't provided any feats to prove that it's on par with Naruto's, nor does that mean that he can counter them to an extent considering when Kaguya makes them as strong as possible, they bust Susanoo while Naruto can't bust Susanoo with a much stronger attack than his chakra arms. She plows through his chakra arm, squashes him, and then squashes his clones.


Actually, Tobirama was already in movement when he teleported, as he was in the air. That means Madara reacted to the attack Tobirama prepared even before moving. Either way, you've admitted that Madara can sense the arrival of a teleportation user. He then went on to react to Tobirama. With the Six Paths Sage Mode, he then has Naruto-like reaction feats.

Which doesn't mean shit since your original claim was that he can react to Sasuke's ameno, despite being caught by it twice. Something you haven't proved since reacting to Tobirama=/=Reacting to Sasuke when Sasuke is much faster.


You'd be suggesting that Madara is simply going to wait for them.

No, he won't be able to evade them. That simple.

Derp. You're however stating that she'd, without a doubt, get him on the floor and be within distance to get at him before he got up. That's the equivalent to me saying he'd, without a doubt, crush her RinneSharingan.

-He can't evade her fists.
-He can't defend against her fists.
-He can't overpower her fists.

So what happens? He gets pounded into the ground. Your statement has no evidence behind it, so it's just an empty statement.

She doesn't kill all the shadows. He'd switch places and immediately head to Kaguya. He can even get closer by constantly switching with clones as they move closer to her. The abundance of wood-clones also makes it impossible to tell what Madara is real. Should I even mention the fact that the shadows are immortal? You seem to be missing that.

He'd switch places, head towards Kaguya, then she'd stomp him into the ground with her chakra fists. If he spams Moku clones, then she keeps on using her fists like she did when Naruto spammed his clones and squashes them all.

Lmao, learn how your favorite's techniques works before debating with them. Madara's Limbo clone returned to his body, thus he could leave it in his place and escape Sasuke and Naruto's binding. He could only do that because they were overlapping at that moment. He can't switch positions with a Limbo clone that is outside of his body. If you think he can, get me proof or don't post.

The shadows are immortal, but they return to Madara's body once defeated or once the time limit is up. Never said she'd kill them anyway. I said she'd squash Madara.


It doesn't matter whether or not it's a "hax jutsu". It's still an exception.

No, it's not. It'd be an exception if I said Shisui was stronger, but he's not.
 

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just enough to stomp kaguya and it does make sense and it does not go against how techniques work. i already gave u examples on how people use bijuu's and juubi to power up attacks and susanos.

madara can make his susnao near unstoppable using the juubi. + Limbo PS its ova

And I already gave you a simple ass explanation as to why this isn't possible. Jesus Christ almighty.
 

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And I already gave you a simple ass explanation as to why this isn't possible. Jesus Christ almighty.

u talking about naruto powering up rinnegan or some shit like wtf?

naruto uses kurama to power up his moves.

madara used juubi to power up his moves.

madara can use juubi to power up his susano its that simple, im not even saying kaguya loses anymore.
 

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No, they aren't. Madara didn't react to Sasuke's teleportation, and Minato<<<<Sasuke when it comes to speed so I don't really care about that feat.

Wrong. Madara got blitzed by Sasuke's footspeed
 

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Kaguya is the mother of all Chakra and Kekkei Genkai. Guess who wins.

Lmao, we could spam this whole page with this quote and people would still attempt to argue.
 

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u talking about naruto powering up rinnegan or some shit like wtf?

naruto uses kurama to power up his moves.

madara used juubi to power up his moves.

madara can use juubi to power up his susano its that simple, im not even saying kaguya loses anymore.

All this has been countered. You not being able to understand the example despite it being simple as hell doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. If you are going to repeat the same stuff, then don't bother replying. It's a waste of both our time.

Wrong. Madara got blitzed by Sasuke's footspeed

Wrong. Madara let him bisect him. Sasuke Shunshin'd at Naruto and Naruto still reacted even when he was in Base, so you can forget about him blitzing JJ Madara.
 

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All this has been countered. You not being able to understand the example despite it being simple as hell doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. If you are going to repeat the same stuff, then don't bother replying. It's a waste of both our time.



Wrong. Madara let him bisect him. Sasuke Shunshin'd at Naruto and Naruto still reacted even when he was in Base, so you can forget about him blitzing JJ Madara.

countered? by who?? lmaooo why is it madara can't power up his susano again?
 
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countered? by who?? lmaooo why is it madara can't power up his susano again?

you know you're talking to a guy who thinks madara can be defeated with ease even though obito said dual rinnegan madara is unbeatable knowing his own power still he believes he's below dual rinnegan madara, madara also has the worlds chakra at his disposal to do what he wants.
 

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Which refers to the properties of the chakra, which the BONES DO NOT HAVE. Try again.

Wrong. Kamui has no chakra in the barrier as the barrier is a rip in space. Yet it's considered Ninjutsu. Kaguya's bones are based on Shikotsumyaku (or rather Kaguya's bones are the original model of Kimimaro's KKG) which do not have chakra inside them. I have no reason to believe that there is chakra inside of them. Throwing around "Absorbs Ninjutsu" means jack shit when Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Not all Ninjutsu. CHAKRA. Get me panels of Rinnegan absorbing something that isn't chakra and we'll talk.

Already provided evidence, evidence you haven't countered. I'll take your concession on this point since it seems you have no real counter.
Nope. You need to try again. It says "Jutsu". It does not say "Jutsu with chakra". It even goes so far to say "regardless of it's chakra properties", meaning it does not matter whether or not it has chakra. If your theory was true, the disintegration would still be a chakra property since the bone did not originally have it. Regardless, unlike what you said or continue to paste, you have not proven that All-Killing Ash Bone does not contain chakra. You give the example of Authority Of the Gods, but it can't just happen. The vortex does consist of chakra or else it wouldn't know when to stop or where to be created. It's like Amaterasu.

So now you are saying he'll erase the whole part of his body that is affected? Lmao. That only speeds up his death moron. Once it hits, the target disintegrates, whether or not the afflicted area is removed doesn't change the fact that the target will disintegrate, because the effect is on the whole body, not that single area.

Your strategy is idiotic and makes no sense.
That explanation of the technique is idiotic. We've seen from the example of Obito that the technique has to spread. The whole body does not immediately start breaking down.

Amazing.
That scan proves nothing as the situation is different. Whenever a clash such as that happen, the central objects are unaffected. You'd be suggesting that Sasuke in Naruto (the series) could survive a Rasengan with no damage either because he survived the clash.

The rest is irrelevant as you still haven't provided any feats to prove that it's on par with Naruto's, nor does that mean that he can counter them to an extent considering when Kaguya makes them as strong as possible, they bust Susanoo while Naruto can't bust Susanoo with a much stronger attack than his chakra arms. She plows through his chakra arm, squashes him, and then squashes his clones.
It's pure chakra. Madara's chakra is stronger than Kurama's. It's, as you say, "as simple as that". Since Naruto was able to counter it to an extent, that means Madara does the same. Not to mention that Kaguya was barely dodging Sasuke's swings. Madara with the Six Paths Sage Mode should be better able to track her and land a hit. That combined with clones getting her from different sides makes it even harder for her to escape.

Which doesn't mean shit since your original claim was that he can react to Sasuke's ameno, despite being caught by it twice. Something you haven't proved since reacting to Tobirama=/=Reacting to Sasuke when Sasuke is much faster.
Wrong. Madara let him bisect him. Sasuke Shunshin'd at Naruto and Naruto still reacted even when he was in Base, so you can forget about him blitzing JJ Madara.


No, he won't be able to evade them. That simple.
Yes he would.

-He can't evade her fists.
-He can't defend against her fists.
-He can't overpower her fists.

So what happens? He gets pounded into the ground. Your statement has no evidence behind it, so it's just an empty statement.
He can evade them. He's fast enough to dodge. He doesn't have to overpower them however because he only has to counter them to an extent in order to not be affected as much. Then he simply flies away.

He'd switch places, head towards Kaguya, then she'd stomp him into the ground with her chakra fists. If he spams Moku clones, then she keeps on using her fists like she did when Naruto spammed his clones and squashes them all.

Lmao, learn how your favorite's techniques works before debating with them. Madara's Limbo clone returned to his body, thus he could leave it in his place and escape Sasuke and Naruto's binding. He could only do that because they were overlapping at that moment. He can't switch positions with a Limbo clone that is outside of his body. If you think he can, get me proof or don't post.

The shadows are immortal, but they return to Madara's body once defeated or once the time limit is up. Never said she'd kill them anyway. I said she'd squash Madara.
There's a limit however. There's a distance in which the fists are created after to as to not affect the user. Not to mention Kaguya has to be facing Madara. She can't attack all angles.

So then Madara moves faster than either Naruto can sense or Sasuke can see? That's quite the useful information.

It was never stated that their was a time interval between uses however, so they can continue to come out.


No, it's not. It'd be an exception if I said Shisui was stronger, but he's not.
Exactly. Madara isn't more powerful but he can defeat Kaguya.
 
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Bruh.. Madara's Gakido even failed to absorb the Wood Dragon. Let's say the ash bones do contain Chakra. So what? He needs to touch them in order to absorb Chakra and the moment he touches them is the moment the ash bones stick in his body. The moment the ash bone sticks in his body, his body begins to rot. Hell, not even Naruto's COAT could save Obito from rotting. If you claim the bones have Chakra inside, than prove it. Saying we have to prove otherwise is like saying the burden of proving the non existence of god is up to you.

Kaguya uses Chakra to form those bones with their special properties. After they're formed, they're physical bones with the ability to rot the target.
 

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Bruh.. Madara's Gakido even failed to absorb the Wood Dragon. Let's say the ash bones do contain Chakra. So what? He needs to touch them in order to absorb Chakra and the moment he touches them is the moment the ash bones stick in his body. The moment the ash bone sticks in his body, his body begins to rot. Hell, not even Naruto's COAT could save Obito from rotting. If you claim the bones have Chakra inside, than prove it. Saying we have to prove otherwise is like saying the burden of proving the non existence of god is up to you.

Kaguya uses Chakra to form those bones with their special properties. After they're formed, they're physical bones with the ability to rot the target.

No, he does not have to touch them. The Rinnegan provides a 360 degree bubble that halts and absorbs anything that touches it. The bones are nin-jutsu. The Rinnegan absorbs "all jutsu". There's no proof of chakra being able to change the properties of something indefintely even without chakra. There's absolutely no reason for it to not have chakra.
 
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