JJ Madara Uchiha VS Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

[KidGamer65]

Any attack hurts her actually. It's as simple as that.

Which also doesn't help your argument. Thanks for wasting my time though.

It's nin-jutsu. The Rinnegan absorbs all nin-jutsu. It's going to render her bones useless. I've never seen a technique use chakra and then stay the same when without chakra.

Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Bones don't have chakra in them, nor have you proven otherwise. So once again, thanks for wasting my time. Not sure what the rest of this post talks about, but it's irrelevant. Here's an example: Kimimaro uses chakra to change the strength of his bones, but there is no chakra in this bones whatsoever.

The chakra arms are pure chakra, something like the Perfect Susano'o. They'd be determined by potency, no? It only follows that Madara's would be stronger than Naruto's. The example of Obito doesn't work because they aren't direct hits.

Not when feats disagree.

Yes, he reacted to the attack, but he sensed the teleportation. The sound the teleportation makes when it occurs was in the same panel in which Madara sensed Tobirama.

He sensed Tobirama once he arrived. He didn't react to the teleportation. That simple.

There's no proof either that Madara's Almighty Push couldn't break Susano'o.

Burden of proof is on you. Shinra Tensei has no feat or hype or statement that'd allow it to destroy Sasuke's Susanoo, so it can't.

Not to mention that Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack would not kill Madara.

Based on what again? Lmao. Oh wait. Nothing.

It doesn't have the force to do anything major to an immortal besides pushing him back.

Wrong. If she hits him toward the ground and barrages him with the fists, he dies. His body will completely absorb

He isn't a shadow clone that poofs. Even Naruto took it straight on without much injury. Two times.

Please read above.

There's not a quote in the entire manga that says he's weaker. Simply one that says he has less chakra.

Nope. The quote says her chakra is on another level. That's power and size.

 

[Holy God]

Which also doesn't help your argument. Thanks for wasting my time though.

Correct. The original argument here was distractions and you somehow pulled it into how he damages her.

Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Bones don't have chakra in them, nor have you proven otherwise. So once again, thanks for wasting my time. Not sure what the rest of this post talks about, but it's irrelevant. Here's an example: Kimimaro uses chakra to change the strength of his bones, but there is no chakra in this bones whatsoever.

You haven't proven modified bones haven't chakra in them. If they're considered nin-jutsu, they're using chakra. Bones becoming larger have to do with calcium, so it's understandable. All-Killing Ash Bones create an effect after they're launched from the user and somehow can disintegrate entire bodies. Chakra is used continuously. The DataBook says the Rinnegan absorbs "all jutsu", so that includes chakra and everything labeled as nin-jutsu.

Besides that, Madara also renders the disintegration factor useless by injecting the affected area with a Truth-Seeking Sphere.

Not when feats disagree.

There's no feat that disagrees. Even the DataBook states the Six Paths Sage Mode only brought Naruto up to a level "comparable" to that of Madara. His chakra is better therefore his pure chakra arms are going to at the very least level with Naruto's.

He sensed Tobirama once he arrived. He didn't react to the teleportation. That simple.

Exactly. It is that simple. Teleportation is moving from one place to the next. Tobirama moved by Madara, and Madara sensed it. That means he knew Tobirama teleported. Tobirama was already moving. It'd be stupid of Madara to simply have turned when he sensed.

Burden of proof is on you. Shinra Tensei has no feat or hype or statement that'd allow it to destroy Sasuke's Susanoo, so it can't.

The DataBook hypes it to be able to repel all nin-jutsu (not that it can). The only reason why it doesn't destroy Sasuke's Susano'o is because it's an area-of-effect technique, meaning it wouldn't explode into one place. Susano'o would have to be smothered against something in order to be broken. That's only for offense though. Area doesn't weaken for defense.

Based on what again? Lmao. Oh wait. Nothing.

Wrong. If she hits him toward the ground and barrages him with the fists, he dies. His body will completely absorb

Please read above.

A mere hit won't kill, based on how Naruto was barely even damaged. Hitting him against the ground is situationally hypothetical. Not to mention he can switch places with a Limbo clone or Hiding In Surface Technique to phase through the ground.

Nope. The quote says her chakra is on another level. That's power and size.

Correct. Kaguya's chakra is better and more vast. The doesn't mean everything though. Shisui takes out plenty of people stronger than him due to Kotoamatsukami.

 

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Which also doesn't help your argument. Thanks for wasting my time though.




Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Bones don't have chakra in them, nor have you proven otherwise. So once again, thanks for wasting my time. Not sure what the rest of this post talks about, but it's irrelevant. Here's an example: Kimimaro uses chakra to change the strength of his bones, but there is no chakra in this bones whatsoever.



Not when feats disagree.



He sensed Tobirama once he arrived. He didn't react to the teleportation. That simple.



Burden of proof is on you. Shinra Tensei has no feat or hype or statement that'd allow it to destroy Sasuke's Susanoo, so it can't.



Based on what again? Lmao. Oh wait. Nothing.



Wrong. If she hits him toward the ground and barrages him with the fists, he dies. His body will completely absorb




Please read above.



Nope. The quote says her chakra is on another level. That's power and size.

give madara more credit kid gamer.

kaguya is restricted and madara has both seals.

naruto was able to blitz a weakened kaguya, he is on par with madara when it comes to senses and speed ( stated on the DB)

madara's double rinnegan and seals just give him complete advantage. he powers his susano with the juubi, sends limbo with perfect susano this is a stomp.

 

[KidGamer65]

give madara more credit kid gamer.

kaguya is restricted and madara has both seals.

naruto was able to blitz a weakened kaguya, he is on par with madara when it comes to senses and speed ( stated on the DB)

madara's double rinnegan and seals just give him complete advantage. he powers his susano with the juubi, sends limbo with perfect susano this is a stomp.

Doesn't matter. DB stated that Naruto's reaction speed is on par with Madara. Not Shunshin speed. Double Rinnegan means nothing. Susanoo is raped by Ash Bones or Fists. Limbo can't use Ninjutsu, something you've never been able to prove. He can't power his Susanoo with the Juubi when the Juubi in inside his body.

 

[Holy God]

Doesn't matter. DB stated that Naruto's reaction speed is on par with Madara. Not Shunshin speed. Double Rinnegan means nothing. Susanoo is raped by Ash Bones or Fists. Limbo can't use Ninjutsu, something you've never been able to prove. He can't power his Susanoo with the Juubi when the Juubi in inside his body.

You can't deny that they do utilize chakra though, as they have the Six Paths Sage Mode and the Rinnegan, including the ability of flight. I'm not even going to use it in the debate, but you can't say they have equal ability, except in the ability to form techniques. That's contradicting.

 

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Doesn't matter. DB stated that Naruto's reaction speed is on par with Madara. Not Shunshin speed. Double Rinnegan means nothing. Susanoo is raped by Ash Bones or Fists. Limbo can't use Ninjutsu, something you've never been able to prove. He can't power his Susanoo with the Juubi when the Juubi in inside his body.

db stated limbo is the same as the original madara with the same abilities, thats proof enough.

yeah juubi being inside madara, means he can use all of the bijuu's chakra + its unlimited natural energy. we all seen what naruto was able to do with natural energy, imagine madara with unlimited resources of it.

madara can petra ash bones and fist easily.

kaguya is getting stomped here.

u telling me the six paths of rinnegan powered by the juubi is a non factor here?

 

[KidGamer65]

Correct. The original argument here was distractions and you somehow pulled it into how he damages her.

A distraction for a purpose you never stated. Not to mention it's a piss poor distraction if she can shrug it off just like that.

You haven't proven modified bones haven't chakra in them. If they're considered nin-jutsu, they're using chakra. Bones becoming larger have to do with calcium, so it's understandable. All-Killing Ash Bones create an effect after they're launched from the user and somehow can disintegrate entire bodies. Chakra is used continuously. The DataBook says the Rinnegan absorbs "all jutsu", so that includes chakra and everything labeled as nin-jutsu.

Wrong. Kamui has no chakra in the barrier as the barrier is a rip in space. Yet it's considered Ninjutsu. Kaguya's bones are based on Shikotsumyaku (or rather Kaguya's bones are the original model of Kimimaro's KKG) which do not have chakra inside them. I have no reason to believe that there is chakra inside of them. Throwing around "Absorbs Ninjutsu" means jack shit when Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Not all Ninjutsu. CHAKRA. Get me panels of Rinnegan absorbing something that isn't chakra and we'll talk.

Besides that, Madara also renders the disintegration factor useless by injecting the affected area with a Truth-Seeking Sphere.

This counter even make sense. Pulling shit out of your ass now huh? If this shit was possible, Naruto would've done so instead of letting Obito die.

There's no feat that disagrees. Even the DataBook states the Six Paths Sage Mode only brought Naruto up to a level "comparable" to that of Madara. His chakra is better therefore his pure chakra arms are going to at the very least level with Naruto's.

Nope. DB states that his sensory abilities are on par with Madara's. Lmao. Don't twist shit around to benefit your argument. Now, go get me them feats or don't post at all.

Exactly. It is that simple. Teleportation is moving from one place to the next. Tobirama moved by Madara, and Madara sensed it. That means he knew Tobirama teleported. Tobirama was already moving. It'd be stupid of Madara to simply have turned when he sensed.

Which means he sensed Tobirama's arrival. He did NOT react to the teleportation. He only sensed that Tobirama had arrived. You can't react to instant. It's impossible, so please stop trying to argue that he can. It makes you look like a moron.

The DataBook hypes it to be able to repel all nin-jutsu (not that it can). The only reason why it doesn't destroy Sasuke's Susano'o is because it's an area-of-effect technique, meaning it wouldn't explode into one place. Susano'o would have to be smothered against something in order to be broken. That's only for offense though. Area doesn't weaken for defense.

I'm seeing no feats nor am I seeing proof for your claim.

A mere hit won't kill, based on how Naruto was barely even damaged. Hitting him against the ground is situationally hypothetical. Not to mention he can switch places with a Limbo clone or Hiding In Surface Technique to phase through the ground.

Bold literally isn't a counter nor does it change the fact that Kaguya can and will do this. Switching with a Limbo clone is nice and all, but what happens when he's switched with all 5 and he's left on his own? Oh wait, nothing...except for his defeat anyway. Phasing through the ground won't work when her attacks would obliterate said ground.

Correct. Kaguya's chakra is better and more vast. The doesn't mean everything though. Shisui takes out plenty of people stronger than him due to Kotoamatsukami.

It means everything and I've already explained this shit to you in a separate thread. Shisui is using an uber hax mind control jutsu. Madara has no such hax.

 

[KidGamer65]

db stated limbo is the same as the original madara with the same abilities, thats proof enough.

Can you people stop twisting the databook's words around? It's starting to look pathetic.

yeah juubi being inside madara, means he can use all of the bijuu's chakra + its unlimited natural energy. we all seen what naruto was able to do with natural energy, imagine madara with unlimited resources of it.

Can he use it? Yes. Can he do what Sasuke did? No. Juubi doesn't even have unlimited nature energy. Who in the world still takes that seriously when Kaguya has more power than the Juubi?

madara can petra ash bones and fist easily.

The Hyuuga's vacuum attacks can't be absorbed as they aren't pure chakra, why would Kaguya's be any different. Already explained to the other guy why Ash Bones aren't being absorbed.

kaguya is getting stomped here.

-If you wank Madara to hell and back? Yes, she does.
-If you read the Manga like any sensible person would? No, she doesn't.

u telling me the six paths of rinnegan powered by the juubi is a non factor here?

Yes. People seriously need to stop wanking these techniques. There is a reason that they never made another appearance in the Manga after people started getting PS, Juubi and Rikudo's chakra.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Can you people stop twisting the databook's words around? It's starting to look pathetic.


Can he use it? Yes. Can he do what Sasuke did? No. Juubi doesn't even have unlimited nature energy. Who in the world still takes that seriously when Kaguya has more power than the Juubi?


The Hyuuga's vacuum attacks can't be absorbed as they aren't pure chakra, why would Kaguya's be any different. Already explained to the other guy why Ash Bones aren't being absorbed.



-If you wank Madara to hell and back? Yes, she does.
-If you read the Manga like any sensible person would? No, she doesn't.



Yes. People seriously need to stop wanking these techniques. There is a reason that they never made another appearance in the Manga after people started getting PS, Juubi and Rikudo's chakra.

nobody is twisting the databook's words aka kishi's words.

Rinbo Hengoku

Perceiving this phantom is impossible, the enemies unpreparedness invites disaster.

A person who posses the Rinnegan can intervene in an adjacent world, an extremely distance world. In that space a shadow is produced, which everyone who is connected with the current world can't feel. Not only will the jutsu user gain a duplicate of himself with equal ability, but it will also be invisible. Squaring of against a user, counter attack is impossible, going up against this ability will result in one losing against such a powerful enemy

The Rinnegan can shape one shadow. With a complete set of two Rinnegan it can shape 4.

When fighting the enemy in close combat the shadow will stay away. But after a time the shadow will return.

get real.

juubi is unlimited unmeasurable natural energy

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madara has access to all of it, not only for his perfect susano but for all of his abilites, he has years on top of years of experience with chakra control and perfect susano, he can do what sasuke did atleast 100 times better.just look at how he mastered sage mode in literally 2 seconds. im supersized u would even doubt so.


why can't petra absorb ash bone? petra absorbs all ninjutsu, no matter shape size form or amount of chakra, its a bottomless chakra sucking hole. if u want me too i'll look for the db translation of petra too.


and im not wanking madara, im the first to say kaguya stomps him, but with these restrictions and madara having both seals? nah son u bugging.

and yeah and the reason madara or sasuke didn't showcase all of the paths is so the manga would move on and the good guys won't get stomped. you are a sensible person right? ever read a shonen manga where certain people get restricted for the sake of the "good guy always win happy ending"? yeah..

 

[KidGamer65]

nobody is twisting the databook's words aka kishi's words.

Rinbo Hengoku

Perceiving this phantom is impossible, the enemies unpreparedness invites disaster.

A person who posses the Rinnegan can intervene in an adjacent world, an extremely distance world. In that space a shadow is produced, which everyone who is connected with the current world can't feel. Not only will the jutsu user gain a duplicate of himself with equal ability, but it will also be invisible. Squaring of against a user, counter attack is impossible, going up against this ability will result in one losing against such a powerful enemy

The Rinnegan can shape one shadow. With a complete set of two Rinnegan it can shape 4.

When fighting the enemy in close combat the shadow will stay away. But after a time the shadow will return.

get real.

A duplicate of himself with equal ability. That doesn't mean that Limbo can use all Madara's abilities. Like I've said before, when you have panels of them using Ninjutsu then we can talk.

juubi is unlimited unmeasurable natural energy

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madara has access to all of it, not only for his perfect susano but for all of his abilites, he has years on top of years of experience with chakra control and perfect susano, he can do what sasuke did atleast 100 times better. lets just be real.

Let's use some common sense. If Juubi had unlimited power, then RSM Naruto wouldn't be saying that Kaguya has more chakra than the Juubi. Kaguya has more chakra than the Juubi, yet she ran out of chakra. Kaguya IS the Juubi yet she ran out of chakra, or rather she got low on it.

He's not doing what Sasuke did. Not when Sasuke used the Bijuu outside of his body. Madara can't take the Bijuu out and do that.

why can't petra absorb ash bone? petra absorbs all ninjutsu, no matter shape size form or amount of chakra, its a bottomless chakra sucking hole. if u want me too i'll look for the db translation of petra too.

Smh. Why don't you read my previous posts to this thread's most retarded poster.

Wrong. Kamui has no chakra in the barrier as the barrier is a rip in space. Yet it's considered Ninjutsu. Kaguya's bones are based on Shikotsumyaku (or rather Kaguya's bones are the original model of Kimimaro's KKG) which do not have chakra inside them. I have no reason to believe that there is chakra inside of them. Throwing around "Absorbs Ninjutsu" means jack shit when Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Not all Ninjutsu. CHAKRA. Get me panels of Rinnegan absorbing something that isn't chakra and we'll talk.


When you guys can actually prove that these bones are made of chakra, please get at me.

 

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A duplicate of himself with equal ability. That doesn't mean that Limbo can use all Madara's abilities. Like I've said before, when you have panels of them using Ninjutsu then we can talk.



Let's use some common sense. If Juubi had unlimited power, then RSM Naruto wouldn't be saying that Kaguya has more chakra than the Juubi. Kaguya has more chakra than the Juubi, yet she ran out of chakra. Kaguya IS the Juubi yet she ran out of chakra, or rather she got low on it.

He's not doing what Sasuke did. Not when Sasuke used the Bijuu outside of his body. Madara can't take the Bijuu out and do that.



Smh. Why don't you read my previous posts to this thread's most retarded poster.

Wrong. Kamui has no chakra in the barrier as the barrier is a rip in space. Yet it's considered Ninjutsu. Kaguya's bones are based on Shikotsumyaku (or rather Kaguya's bones are the original model of Kimimaro's KKG) which do not have chakra inside them. I have no reason to believe that there is chakra inside of them. Throwing around "Absorbs Ninjutsu" means jack shit when Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Not all Ninjutsu. CHAKRA. Get me panels of Rinnegan absorbing something that isn't chakra and we'll talk.


When you guys can actually prove that these bones are made of chakra, please get at me.

i know you not going to agree with me anyway, but f*ck it.

equal ability to madara, but can't use the same jutsus as madara? wtf? get real. kishi wrote this himself f*ck a scan.

kaguya is the juubi, she got low on chakra, came back a few seconds later with 100 times more power and chakra stated by BZ, she has unlimited chakra. im showing you a scan and you are blatantly ignoring it.

i forgot when naruto said kaguya (the juubi) had more chakra than the (juubi) post me a scan so i can read it again.

all i remember was sasuke saying her chakra levels were on another level than madara's.

so since kurama is inside naruto he can't power up his attacks with his chakra? wtf? juubi being inside of madara has nothing to do with him being able to manifest its bijuu and natural energy on to his perfect susano and attacks, the chakra is already within him, if anything it will be 10 times easier, all he has to do is manifest perfect susano and let the charka already within him power him up. you aren't making any type of sense when it comes to this topic.


ash bones aren't made of chakra? wtf are they made of n*gga? regular bones? lmao

 

[Holy God]

A distraction for a purpose you never stated. Not to mention it's a piss poor distraction if she can shrug it off just like that.

It's not piss-poor if it distracts her in the end. The statement was in general as you tried to dismiss Madara as weak since his "strongest technique" is Planetary Devastation and it is countered.

Wrong. Kamui has no chakra in the barrier as the barrier is a rip in space. Yet it's considered Ninjutsu. Kaguya's bones are based on Shikotsumyaku (or rather Kaguya's bones are the original model of Kimimaro's KKG) which do not have chakra inside them. I have no reason to believe that there is chakra inside of them. Throwing around "Absorbs Ninjutsu" means jack shit when Rinnegan absorbs chakra. Not all Ninjutsu. CHAKRA. Get me panels of Rinnegan absorbing something that isn't chakra and we'll talk.

The technique obviously uses chakra. Why would it work on others but not Kaguya? That's not a physical property, nor is the dynamic destruction of molecules. The DataBook specifically states, for the second time, "all jutsu". This includes something that uses chakra, such as All-Killing Ash Bones. It's never failed, and it's going to be you who needs proof of the Rinnegan being unable to absorb nin-jutsu.

This counter even make sense. Pulling shit out of your ass now huh? If this shit was possible, Naruto would've done so instead of letting Obito die.

Lolno. Kishimoto does not use the best possibilities in his story. That's a bad excuse. Truth-Seeking Spheres are able to erase all nin-jutsu so if it erases any track of the bone and he kills the cells already being affected, then there's nothing left of it to work. Denying this is like saying if Obito's finger was cut off in some distant location, that it'd disintegrate as well.

Nope. DB states that his sensory abilities are on par with Madara's. Lmao. Don't twist shit around to benefit your argument. Now, go get me them feats or don't post at all.

You're going to need feats of Naruto's chakra being on par with Madara's. The fists are pure chakra. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't have the page from the DataBook though so I'll leave it at that.

Which means he sensed Tobirama's arrival. He did NOT react to the teleportation. He only sensed that Tobirama had arrived. You can't react to instant. It's impossible, so please stop trying to argue that he can. It makes you look like a moron.

Please explain the difference between reacting to his arrival and reacting to the teleportation? He couldn't react to the intial teleportation obviously because he was nowhere in the vacinity if that's what you're implying.

I'm seeing no feats nor am I seeing proof for your claim.

I'm obviously not going to persuade you on this. Either way, he can make one large enough to block any incoming in your hypothetical ground situation.

Bold literally isn't a counter nor does it change the fact that Kaguya can and will do this. Switching with a Limbo clone is nice and all, but what happens when he's switched with all 5 and he's left on his own? Oh wait, nothing...except for his defeat anyway. Phasing through the ground won't work when her attacks would obliterate said ground.

Can and will? How do you know that she would? She hasn't before, nor when she got Naruto against something, did she rush in to finish him. I can say Madara can and will destroy her RinneSharingan. She won't be able to knock Madara to the ground a continous of five times, nor does Limbo have a switching limit. Wood clones are also a counter as she cannot differentiate between them.

It means everything and I've already explained this shit to you in a separate thread. Shisui is using an uber hax mind control jutsu. Madara has no such hax.

You can't say it means everything and then go on to say there's an exception.

 

[KidGamer65]

i know you not going to agree with me anyway, but f*ck it.

equal ability to madara, but can't use the same jutsus as madara? wtf? get real. kishi wrote this himself f*ck a scan.

That's not what equal ability means. It's really that simple.

kaguya is the juubi, she got low on chakra, came back a few seconds later with 100 times more power and chakra stated by BZ, she has unlimited chakra. im showing you a scan and you are blatantly ignoring it.

If she has unlimited chakra then how in the hell, or why in the hell, would she get low? Lmao. You don't make any sense. What's worse is that she had to take the chakra of the IT victims to recover.

-Claims she has unlimited chakra.
-Yet she has to recover her chakra from an outside source.

Lmao. You make no sense. Naruto couldn't grasp the Juubi's power, hence him feeling unlimited power. Same goes for Kurama.

i forgot when naruto said kaguya (the juubi) had more chakra than the (juubi) post me a scan so i can read it again.

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so since kurama is inside naruto he can't power up his attacks with his chakra? wtf? juubi being inside of madara has nothing to do with him being able to manifest its bijuu and natural energy on to his perfect susano. the chakra is already within him, if anything it will be 10 times easier, all he has to do is manifest perfect susano and let the charka already within him power him up. you aren't making any type of sense when it comes to this topic.

He can't do it how you are saying he'll do it. The chakra powering his techniques and him taking the chakra out of his body and then putting it into his Susanoo are two completely different things. Not sure how many times I'm going to have to repeat this shit. You Madara fans seriously need to stop trying. Kaguya bones your fav. Literally.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

That's not what equal ability means. It's really that simple.


If she has unlimited chakra then how in the hell, or why in the hell, would she get low? Lmao. You don't make any sense. What's worse is that she had to take the chakra of the IT victims to recover.

-Claims she has unlimited chakra.
-Yet she has to recover her chakra from an outside source.

Lmao. You make no sense. Naruto couldn't grasp the Juubi's power, hence him feeling unlimited power. Same goes for Kurama.

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He can't do it how you are saying he'll do it. The chakra powering his techniques and him taking the chakra out of his body and then putting it into his Susanoo are two completely different things. Not sure how many times I'm going to have to repeat this shit. You Madara fans seriously need to stop trying. Kaguya bones your fav. Literally.

what does equal ability mean kidgamer? lmaooo


the juubi aka kaguya is where all chakra comes from in the first place, how the hell would she run out of chakra? she got weak for a couple of seconds for spamming attacks that require an immense amount of chakra, but came back with 100 times more chakra where did the chakra come from? outside source? what outside source? the TSB? her dimension? THATS ALL HERS wtf lmaooo.

she doesn't run out of chakra, its precious to her so she hates wasting it. thats why BZ had to convince her to kill off naruto and sasuke instead of absorbing them.

LOL WHY WOULD HE HAVE TO TAKE THE CHAKRA OUTSIDE FROM HIS BODY WHEN ITS ALREADY WITHIN HIM? ALL THE CHAKRA IN THE WORLD HE ALREADY HAS, WHY CAN'T HE POWER UP HIS SUSANO? im getting frustrated here for the first time, forreal u not making any sense, i feel like im getting trolled here.

ash bones gets petra'd its that damn simple.


@ the scan, ofc its more chakra than the juubi, its all the unlimited chakra from the juubi + infinite tsukuyomi victims chakra, its 1 plus the other one ofcourse its more chakra, the hell?

 

[KidGamer65]

It's not piss-poor if it distracts her in the end. The statement was in general as you tried to dismiss Madara as weak since his "strongest technique" is Planetary Devastation and it is countered.

Except it doesn't. Lmao. But since you can't even tell me what the distraction is for, I'm not going to waste time arguing on whether or not a distraction would work.

The technique obviously uses chakra. Why would it work on others but not Kaguya? That's not a physical property, nor is the dynamic destruction of molecules. The DataBook specifically states, for the second time, "all jutsu". This includes something that uses chakra, such as All-Killing Ash Bones. It's never failed, and it's going to be you who needs proof of the Rinnegan being unable to absorb nin-jutsu.

Once again, you've failed to provide evidence that Kaguya's bones have chakra inside them. A jutsu using chakra=/=A jutsu having CHAKRA INSIDE. I've explained this already yet all you do is reply with more bullshit that I've countered.

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And once again. Preta Path ABSORBS CHAKRA. Ash Bones are NOT CHAKRA. End of ****ing story. Lmao.

Lolno. Kishimoto does not use the best possibilities in his story. That's a bad excuse. Truth-Seeking Spheres are able to erase all nin-jutsu so if it erases any track of the bone and he kills the cells already being affected, then there's nothing left of it to work. Denying this is like saying if Obito's finger was cut off in some distant location, that it'd disintegrate as well.

Erasing Ninjutsu has nothing to do with erasing the damage Ninjutsu does. How stupid are you and your posts going to get? What in the actual hell are you talking about with the bold? Lmao, doubt it's relevant anyway.


So basically you are claiming shit that you have no proof of? Ok then, when you can prove any of this garbage, then we can talk.

You're going to need feats of Naruto's chakra being on par with Madara's. The fists are pure chakra. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't have the page from the DataBook though so I'll leave it at that.

You claimed that they are on par despite them not having the feats to be on par, so once again, you have no point. Being on par with Naruto's means just about jack shit anyway since Kaguya overpowered Naruto in the end, nor can Naruto bust PS with a Bijuu Dama let alone Chakra Arms.

Please explain the difference between reacting to his arrival and reacting to the teleportation? He couldn't react to the intial teleportation obviously because he was nowhere in the vacinity if that's what you're implying.

Sensing that Tobirama has arrived is NOT him reacting to the actual action of his teleportation. When Tobirama has arrived, he is not teleporting, so there is nothing to react to. How daft could you possibly be to not get this. You can't react to instant. It's impossible. End of story. You are literally debating against fact here.

I'm obviously not going to persuade you on this. Either way, he can make one large enough to block any incoming in your hypothetical ground situation.

And then more come and squash him.

Can and will? How do you know that she would? She hasn't before, nor when she got Naruto against something, did she rush in to finish him. I can she Madara can and will destroy her RinneSharingan. She won't be able to knock Madara to the ground a continous of five times, nor does Limbo have a switching limit. Wood clones are also a counter as she cannot differentiate between them.

She'll do what she has to if she wants to win. Your arguments went from weak, to weak and idiotic. Lmao.

Yes, there is. He switches out by leaving a Limbo in his place. Once he's switched with all 5, he can't switch again since there are no more clones with him to leave in his place. "She won't be able to knock Madara down" isn't a counter, it's a statement, and God knows I don't care about your statements.

Who cares? She can smash them all until the original is left behind. Got any more weak ass counters?

You can't say it means everything and then go on to say there's an exception.

Except I didn't say that. If you could read, you would see that I explained WHY Shisui can take out people stronger than him, because he has a hax Jutsu that lets him do so. Madara has no such thing, so please stop using Shisui as an example because your feats based arguments are too weak to prove your point.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Prime Kaguya (Chakra Fruit) + Shinju AKA the OG Juubi That the Sage & Hamura fought wrecks madzzz

 

[Praydara]

Kaguya wins, obviously. Was the Sage of the Six Paths literally saying Kaguya was the strongest being ever hard to read, or something?

 

[KidGamer65]

what does equal ability mean kidgamer? lmaooo

Equal ability can lead anywhere to physical power, durability or speed. Has jack to do with Madara's invidual abilities. Get me that scan or don't expect a reply on this part of the discussion, because you are literally repeating the same BS you repeat every single time.

the juubi aka kaguya is where all chakra comes from in the first place, how the hell would she run out of chakra? she got weak for a couple of seconds for spamming attacks that require an immense amount of chakra, but came back with 100 times more chakra where did the chakra come from? outside source? what outside source? the TSB? her dimension? THATS ALL HERS wtf lmaooo.

Lmao. Irrelevant. The Shinju's fruit is where all chakra comes from. Kaguya got that chakra, then Hagoromo and Hamura obtained their own chakra, and then Hagoromo spread chakra out among the world. Chakra originating from Kaguya doesn't mean that the accumulation of all chakra that currently exists in the world will equal what Kaguya received from the Shinju. Not when Hagoromo and Hamura developed their own chakra into the quantity that it is. Kaguya splitting up her chakra doesn't mean she permanently lost it. Thus the total amount in the world increases. Same goes with Hagoromo when he spread chakra across the world. He regains that chakra (chakra regenerates most of the time) thus the amount in the world increases again.

You sound dumb asking me "how she'd run out of chakra" when she canonically almost ran out of chakra. If she had unlimited chakra that NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED. If she had an unlimited amount of power she'd never get low. And now you are telling me that all that chakra is hers?


Smh. Read the Manga.

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How the hell is it hers if she's absorbing it from AN OUTSIDE SOURCE? AKA THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON PLANET EARTH? Smh.

LOL WHY WOULD HE HAVE TO TAKE THE CHAKRA FROM HIS BODY WHEN ITS ALREADY WITHIN HIM? ALL THE CHAKRA IN THE WORLD HE ALREADY HAS, WHY CAN'T HE POWER UP HIS SUSANO? im getting frustrated here for the first time, forreal u not making any sense, i feel like im getting trolled here.

two completely different things.


What you are claiming is identical to me saying that Sasuke could pour as much of his reserves as he wanted to into his Susanoo to make it more powerful, or that Naruto could pour as much of his reserves into one Rasengan to make it as powerful as he wanted to. That's not how Ninjutsu works.

ash bones gets petra'd its that damn simple.

He can't do it how you are saying he'll do it. The chakra powering his techniques and him taking the chakra out of his body and then putting it into his Susanoo are two completely different things. Not sure how many times I'm going to have to repeat this shit. You Madara fans seriously need to stop trying. Kaguya bones your fav. Literally.


Is that what you Madara fans do best? Ignore evidence and repeat your opinion?

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Equal ability can lead anywhere to physical power, durability or speed. Has jack to do with Madara's invidual abilities. Get me that scan or don't expect a reply on this part of the discussion, because you are literally repeating the same BS you repeat every single time.


Lmao. Irrelevant. The Shinju's fruit is where all chakra comes from. Kaguya got that chakra, then Hagoromo and Hamura obtained their own chakra, and then Hagoromo spread chakra out among the world. Chakra originating from Kaguya doesn't mean that the accumulation of all chakra that currently exists in the world will equal what Kaguya received from the Shinju. Not when Hagoromo and Hamura developed their own chakra into the quantity that it is. Kaguya splitting up her chakra doesn't mean she permanently lost it. Thus the total amount in the world increases. Same goes with Hagoromo when he spread chakra across the world. He regains that chakra (chakra regenerates most of the time) thus the amount in the world increases again.

You sound dumb asking me "how she'd run out of chakra" when she canonically almost ran out of chakra. If she had unlimited chakra that NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED. If she had an unlimited amount of power she'd never get low. And now you are telling me that all that chakra is hers?


Smh. Read the Manga.

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How the hell is it hers if she's absorbing it from AN OUTSIDE SOURCE? AKA THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON PLANET EARTH? Smh.




two completely different things.


What you are claiming is identical to me saying that Sasuke could pour as much of his reserves as he wanted to into his Susanoo to make it more powerful, or that Naruto could pour as much of his reserves into one Rasengan to make it as powerful as he wanted to. That's not how Ninjutsu works.



He can't do it how you are saying he'll do it. The chakra powering his techniques and him taking the chakra out of his body and then putting it into his Susanoo are two completely different things. Not sure how many times I'm going to have to repeat this shit. You Madara fans seriously need to stop trying. Kaguya bones your fav. Literally.


Is that what you Madara fans do best? Ignore evidence and repeat your opinion?

ight man u got me with the kaguya thing, i smoke a lot and be forgettin shit feel me.

but

naruto uses kurama to power up his rasengans, shadow clones everything.

sasuke used bijuu to power his susano.

madara used juubi to do a massive Chibaku tensei, he used the juubi to power up his wood style enough to cover the entire planet and every being in it. why can't he use the juubi and its unmeasurable natural energy to power up his damn susano?

 

[KidGamer65]

ight man u got me with the kaguya thing, i smoke a lot and be forgettin shit feel me.

but

naruto uses kurama to power up his rasengans, shadow clones everything.

sasuke used bijuu to power his susano.

madara used juubi to do a massive Chibaku tensei, he used the juubi to power up his wood style enough to cover the entire planet and every being in it. why can't he use the juubi and its unmeasurable natural energy to power up his damn susano?

I just explained this, lmao.

What you are claiming is identical to me saying that Sasuke could pour as much of his reserves as he wanted to into his Susanoo to make it more powerful, or that Naruto could pour as much of his reserves into one Rasengan to make it as powerful as he wanted to. That's not how Ninjutsu works.


Knead/Release limits. Characters can't pump whatever amount of chakra they want to pump into their techniques.