Amateratsu Enton Sapping Abilities

[shelke]

If the rasegan was destroyed, how did it cause an explosion? Enton according to you, should have quickly burned it and made it meaningless meaning no explosion upon impact

Nope. I explained it explicitly. This thread ... I have no idea why you even created it as you hounded just about anyone who disagreed with you and got plenty of replies in return.

 

[ComplexCity]

Nope. I explained it explicitly. This thread ... I have no idea why you even created it as you hounded just about anyone who disagreed with you and got plenty of replies in return.

There is no nope, the chakra wasn't destroyed, it exploded on impact. I just read your response and it garbage like all your other posts. Idk where you get these imaginary feats. Everyone know Enton can burn through chakra. But this sapping BS you're pulling out of your ass

 

[shelke]

There is no nope, the chakra wasn't destroyed, it exploded on impact. I just read your response and it garbage like all your other posts. Idk where you get these imaginary feats. Everyone know Enton can burn through chakra. But this sapping BS you're pulling out of your ass

There you have it. You disagree with it? Fair enough. Does it make you right? I don't think so, not even close. Sap means to weaken or destroy. When Amaterasu burns through chakra, it destroys the entire technique:

- Katons vanished, their chakra destroyed and consumed.
- Futon vanished, completely destroyed by Enton.
- Raikage's Raiton arm was also destroyed.
- NE in the cave was destroyed / burned / sapped in a similar manner.

Try to up your scanty vocabulary. The term burn can easily be replaced with sap, as the ultimate result is the same in both cases; destruction or weakening of sb/sth:

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"... the coldness of the fire sapping life ..."

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... Greek fire, sapping and mining ...

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... as a brush fire sapping life and leaving only the crust signs of death in its wake ...

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The holy symbols wracked his body with fire, sapping what strength remained in him.

Stop being childish. You never had any point here, as you have little clue that sap and burn are interchangeable terms when it comes to fire or anything that causes burns.

 

[ComplexCity]

I'll be civil can't respond right now. Will respond later

 

[ComplexCity]

There you have it. You disagree with it? Fair enough. Does it make you right? I don't think so, not even close. Sap means to weaken or destroy. When Amaterasu burns through chakra, it destroys the entire technique:

- Katons vanished, their chakra destroyed and consumed.
- Futon vanished, completely destroyed by Enton.
- Raikage's Raiton arm was also destroyed.
- NE in the cave was destroyed / burned / sapped in a similar manner.

Try to up your scanty vocabulary. The term burn can easily be replaced with sap, as the ultimate result is the same in both cases; destruction or weakening of sb/sth:

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Stop being childish. You never had any point here, as you have little clue that sap and burn are interchangeable terms when it comes to fire or anything that causes burns.

Sap also means to drain or deprive of which in your case (and the case when this claim was first made) makes it seem like you mean. Like I said, just because Amateratsu has the ability to eat chakra through chakra and destroy it. Does not mean that it nullifies jutsu or NE. You yourself stated NE and chakra are nothing similar so I don't know how your drawing such conclusions

There are plenty of attacks that have overpowered another. Does that mean that those techs sap the source of that technique or jutsu to revert them back to nothing? No it's common sense to know that once a jutsu is destroyed/sapped, that the chakra is then gone. Plenty of examples are

- Zabuza and Kakashi clashing the Water Dragon
- Sasuke using Kirin on Itachi's Sussano
- Naruto and Sasuke at VOTE 1 clashing
- Hidorua and Great Shark thingy (forgot the name) clashing
- Pain using ST on Lightning Running Beast
- Sasuke using Chidori on Deidara's bombs

Could literally go on forever but I'll stop there. Those attacks were either overpowered or destroyed, does the chakra remain? No. For example. When Gai and Kisame clashed, the shark lost is chakra. Not because Hirdoua destroyed its chakra but because it was overpowered.


To address the other points


1. Never denied this, of course when an attack is overpowered and destroyed the chakra is lost. The same could be said for Hirdora and Great Shark Bomb

2. Air/Wind fuels fire, never denied this either

3. Raikage's arm was destroyed? Yet when it was burned by Enton, he still smacked Sasuke across the floor. It wasn't destroyed he merely cut it off to prevent the flames from spreading. Burned, yes, destroyed, no.

Look at a dictionary before you come at someone because there's more than one definition. I'm not biased like you so I'm aware of the other definition you're using.

 

[shelke]

Look at a dictionary before you come at someone because there's more than one definition. I'm not biased like you so I'm aware of the other definition you're using.

Precisely. Take your own advise next time. Because if you did, you wouldn't have whined about it across two threads.

 

[ComplexCity]

Precisely. Take your own advise next time. Because if your did, you wouldn't have whined about it across two threads.

And you have no counter argument. Don't know why you're quoting this making it seem relevant as a rebuttal.


But then again I'm not surprised

 

[JStar King]

This thread got destroyed

 

[shelke]

And you have no counter argument. Don't know why you're quoting this making it seem relevant as a rebuttal.

But then again I'm not surprised

Well, now you are just goading me into posting these; your amazing grasp on Sap and burn, your untouchable vocabulary, and how interchangeable they are. I think we can all use a bit of laugh since you obviously knew the other usage of "Sap" all along:

Your scan proves nothing. The cave was alive and reverted because of the heat. Nothing in this scan indicates that it was sapped

Natural Energry is intangible my dude. It can't be burned nor was it sapped. Not saying you said it was, just throwing it out there

That's your problem
"You think"
Amateratsu cannot affect intangible things. Your scan proves nothing and is nothing but biased conjecture. The cave was alive and the extreme heat pain it to revert back to it's natural statement. You have no proof Enton can sap NE

Heck, you are outright agreeing there that the cave reverted back because of burning or sapping.

Once again, you have no proof it can sap Nature energy. The DB nor manga never stated that the cave lost NE because it was sapped. The cave reverted because of pain from the heat as it was burning alive. Fire is physical, NE is intangible and physical things cannot touch intangible objects

Burning is not the same as sapping. The Juubi was in a physically alive form

So it burning means it's NE was being sapped? Fodder Samurai was burned and he didn't have NE so what's your point? The Jubii was in a physical form so of course it would get burned, that doesn't mean it's NE was being sapped

Your manga scan and DB scan support nothing you're saying accept that Kabuto used NE to bring the cave to life. Living things feel pain, there was no NE sapped and you cannot prove that it was.

If you accept DB facts, then you accept Amateratsu as nothing but hype in regards to it heating properties. Fire burns metal and also spreads, yet it did nothing to the samurai. Madara also laughed at it as well as the Juubi. That reminds me, why wasn't they Juubi's NE sapped like you claim it can be?

1. I can read, however I don't think you can. Again, what in that sentence proves that NE was sapped?

But then, you stated this:

Look at a dictionary before you come at someone because there's more than one definition. I'm not biased like you so I'm aware of the other definition you're using.

Don't encourage illiteracy. Enough ppl in America can't read as it is. Just look at Floyd

Let's drop the little cheap act that you knew the difference between burning as an alternative term to sap or vice versa. You didn't. Look at your last post and take your own advise, because I can get plenty of interesting posts from the other thread where you didn't have nary a clue that sap and burn are interchangeable given the context and if fire is involved. So, it's no wonder that a different semantic choice is proving so difficult for you.

 

[ComplexCity]

Well, now you are just goading me into posting these; your amazing grasp on Sap and burn, your untouchable vocabulary, and how interchangeable they are. I think we can all use a bit of laugh since you obviously knew the other usage of "Sap" all along:







Heck, you are outright agreeing there that the cave reverted back because of burning or sapping.











But then, you stated this:





Let's drop the little cheap act that you knew the difference between burning as an alternative term to sap or vice versa. You didn't. Look at your last post and take your own advise, because I can get plenty of interesting posts from the other thread where you didn't have nary a clue that sap and burn are interchangeable given the context and if fire is involved. So, it's no wonder that a different semantic choice is proving so difficult for you.

You went and took a bunch of post (one of which I withdrew but of course you'd selectively skip over that and not post it) that don't contradict anything

1. Burning is not the same as destroying/sapping

2. My first post isn't wrong because DB and manga says heat reverted it

3. Still haven't proved NE was burned or sapped


I know what burn and sap means. Like I stated above. When the Raikages arm was burned was it destroyed? No he used that same burning hand and smacked Sasuke across the ground. You have no argument that's why u keep derailing. Try harder fapboy

 

[shelke]

You went and took a bunch of post (one of which I withdrew but of course you'd selectively skip over that and not post it) that don't contradict anything

1. Burning is not the same as destroying/sapping

2. My first post isn't wrong because DB and manga says heat reverted it

3. Still haven't proved NE was burned or sapped


I know what burn and sap means. Like I stated above. When the Raikages arm was burned was it destroyed? No he used that same burning hand and smacked Sasuke across the ground. You have no argument that's why u keep derailing. Try harder fapboy

Wow, this guy ...

1- It is. I even posted links.
2- And? You didn't prove anything by it. Exactly what you are doing now; flip-flopping and posting assumptions.
3- Already have.

Like I said, the semantic choice is obviously beyond you.

 

[Rohan]

I will be honest, arguing with the OP is like arguing with a wall.

 

[ComplexCity]

I will be honest, arguing with the OP is like arguing with a wall.

I get that from Sasuke fapboys such as yourself quite often. So I mean hey, it's not my fault I don't believe in fanfic

Wow, this guy ...

1- It is. I even posted links.
2- And? You didn't prove anything by it. Exactly what you are doing now; flip-flopping and posting assumptions.
3- Already have.

Like I said, the semantic choice is obviously beyond you.

1. Are you retarded? Burning leads to destruction. Burning is not the same as destroying seeing as how Amateratsu burned the samurai's armor but it still remained. It wasn't destroyed. Idc about your links

2. I did. I stated exactly what the manga stated. The cave reverted due to heat which is exactly what Kabuto said

3. No you haven't, you're just making ass based assumptions

 

[shelke]

1. Are you retarded? Burning leads to destruction. Burning is not the same as destroying seeing as how Amateratsu burned the samurai's armor but it still remained. It wasn't destroyed. Idc about your links

1. Are you retarded?

1. you retarded?

1. retarded?

What the hell am I reading here?

Burn:

verb

2.
be or cause to be destroyed by fire.

I don't even ...

 

[ComplexCity]

So if I go into the dictionary and look up burn, destroy will be a synonym? Please stfu


Burn\ˈbərn\
noun
British
: creek 2
Examples
A flame is kept constantly burning at the monument.
A small fire burned brightly in the fireplace.
There was a little stove burning in the front room.
Origin: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German brunno spring of water.
First use: before 12th century
Synonyms: blaze, combust, flame, glow, go up in flames
Antonyms: douse (also dowse), extinguish, put out, quench, snuff (out)
2
burn\ˈbərn\
of a fire or flame : to give off heat, light, and gases
: to contain a fire
: to be on fire : to have or produce a flame
Full Definition
intransitive verb
1 a : to consume fuel and give off heat, light, and gases <a small fire burns on the hearth>
b : to undergo combustion; also : to undergo nuclear fission or nuclear fusion
c : to contain a fire <a little stove burning in the corner>
d : to give off light : shine, glow <a light burning in the window>
2 a : to be hot <the burning sand>
b : to produce or undergo discomfort or pain <ears burning from the cold>
c : to become emotionally excited or agitated: as (1) : to yearn ardently <burning to tell the story> (2) : to be or become very angry or disgusted <the remark made him burn>
3 a : to undergo alteration or destruction by the action of fire or heat <the house burned down> <the potatoes burned to a crisp>
b : to die in the electric chair
4 : to force or make a way by or as if by burning <her words burned into his heart>
5 : to suffer sunburn <she burns easily>
transitive verb
1 a : to cause to undergo combustion; especially : to destroy by fire <burned the trash>
b : to use as fuel <this furnace burns gas>
c : to use up : consume <burn calories>
2 a : to transform by exposure to heat or fire <burn clay to bricks>
b : to produce by burning <burned a hole in his sleeve>
c : to record digital data or music on (an optical disk) using a laser <burn a CD>; also : to record (data or music) in this way <burn songs onto a disk>
3 a : to injure or damage by or as if by exposure to fire, heat, or radiation : scorch <burned his hand>
b : to execute by burning <burned heretics at the stake>; also : electrocute
4 a : irritate, annoy — often used with up <really burns me up>
b : to subject to misfortune, mistreatment, or deception — often used in passive <has been burned in love>
c : to beat or score on <burned the defense with a touchdown pass>
Other forms: burned \ˈbərnd, ˈbərnt\ or burnt \ˈbərnt\; burn·ing
burn·able \ˈbər-nə-bəl\ adjective
burn one's bridges also burn one's boats : to cut off all means of retreat
burn one's ears : to rebuke strongly
burn the candle at both ends : to use one's resources or energies to excess
burn the midnight oil : to work or study far into the night
Origin: Middle English birnen, from Old English byrnan, v.i., bærnan, v.t.; akin to Old High German brinnan to burn.
First use: before 12th century
Synonyms: blaze, combust, flame, glow, go up in flames
Antonyms: douse (also dowse), extinguish, put out, quench, snuff (out)
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burn
noun
1 : an act, process, instance, or result of burning: as
a : injury or damage resulting from exposure to fire, heat, caustics, electricity, or certain radiations
b : a burned area <a burn on the tabletop>
c : an abrasion (as of the skin) having the appearance of a burn <rope burns>
d : a burning sensation <the burn of iodine on a cut>
2 : the firing of a rocket engine in flight
3 : anger; especially : increasing fury — used chiefly in the phrase slow burn
First use: 1594
Synonyms: blaze, combust, flame, glow, go up in flames
Antonyms: douse (also dowse), extinguish, put out, quench, snuff (out)

 

[shelke]

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So if I go into the dictionary and look up burn, destroy will be a synonym? Please stfu


Burn\ˈbərn\
noun
British
: creek 2
Examples
A flame is kept constantly burning at the monument.
A small fire burned brightly in the fireplace.
There was a little stove burning in the front room.
Origin: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German brunno spring of water.
First use: before 12th century
Synonyms: blaze, combust, flame, glow, go up in flames
Antonyms: douse (also dowse), extinguish, put out, quench, snuff (out)
2
burn\ˈbərn\
of a fire or flame : to give off heat, light, and gases
: to contain a fire
: to be on fire : to have or produce a flame
Full Definition
intransitive verb
1 a : to consume fuel and give off heat, light, and gases <a small fire burns on the hearth>
b : to undergo combustion; also : to undergo nuclear fission or nuclear fusion
c : to contain a fire <a little stove burning in the corner>
d : to give off light : shine, glow <a light burning in the window>
2 a : to be hot <the burning sand>
b : to produce or undergo discomfort or pain <ears burning from the cold>
c : to become emotionally excited or agitated: as (1) : to yearn ardently <burning to tell the story> (2) : to be or become very angry or disgusted <the remark made him burn>
3 a : to undergo alteration or destruction by the action of fire or heat <the house burned down> <the potatoes burned to a crisp>
b : to die in the electric chair
4 : to force or make a way by or as if by burning <her words burned into his heart>
5 : to suffer sunburn <she burns easily>
transitive verb
1 a : to cause to undergo combustion; especially : to destroy by fire <burned the trash>
b : to use as fuel <this furnace burns gas>
c : to use up : consume <burn calories>
2 a : to transform by exposure to heat or fire <burn clay to bricks>
b : to produce by burning <burned a hole in his sleeve>
c : to record digital data or music on (an optical disk) using a laser <burn a CD>; also : to record (data or music) in this way <burn songs onto a disk>
3 a : to injure or damage by or as if by exposure to fire, heat, or radiation : scorch <burned his hand>
b : to execute by burning <burned heretics at the stake>; also : electrocute
4 a : irritate, annoy — often used with up <really burns me up>
b : to subject to misfortune, mistreatment, or deception — often used in passive <has been burned in love>
c : to beat or score on <burned the defense with a touchdown pass>
Other forms: burned \ˈbərnd, ˈbərnt\ or burnt \ˈbərnt\; burn·ing
burn·able \ˈbər-nə-bəl\ adjective
burn one's bridges also burn one's boats : to cut off all means of retreat
burn one's ears : to rebuke strongly
burn the candle at both ends : to use one's resources or energies to excess
burn the midnight oil : to work or study far into the night
Origin: Middle English birnen, from Old English byrnan, v.i., bærnan, v.t.; akin to Old High German brinnan to burn.
First use: before 12th century
Synonyms: blaze, combust, flame, glow, go up in flames
Antonyms: douse (also dowse), extinguish, put out, quench, snuff (out)
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burn
noun
1 : an act, process, instance, or result of burning: as
a : injury or damage resulting from exposure to fire, heat, caustics, electricity, or certain radiations
b : a burned area <a burn on the tabletop>
c : an abrasion (as of the skin) having the appearance of a burn <rope burns>
d : a burning sensation <the burn of iodine on a cut>
2 : the firing of a rocket engine in flight
3 : anger; especially : increasing fury — used chiefly in the phrase slow burn
First use: 1594
Synonyms: blaze, combust, flame, glow, go up in flames
Antonyms: douse (also dowse), extinguish, put out, quench, snuff (out)

Please, tell me the difference between Transitive and Intransitive usages, after you hit google of course and educate yourself. All you have done is hilariously copy paste the whole thing like a monkey. I am laughing so hard right now at your foolishness here, because you don't know one facet of that term. Not even one. When Noun, Verb - Trans and Intrans Vs- Synonyms, Antonyms are not the same nor is their usage the same... In fact, you even copied the etymology of the term. Is this a class on making people understand Nouns, Verbs, Etymology or something? Haha, Hilarious, this guy.

Here you go, man:

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Be or cause to be destroyed by fire:

[NO OBJECT]: he watched his restaurant burn to the ground
[WITH OBJECT]: he burned all the letters

Which is the same as this:

to cause to undergo combustion; especially : to destroy by fire <burned the trash>
2 a : to transform by exposure to heat or fire <burn clay to bricks>

Educate yourself, as this is a "sense" or in other words what is usually perceived to be the "Meaning" of the term. This is not a Synonym. Looks like you can't even tell "Sense" and "Synonyms" apart. Stop embarrassing yourself, you perpetual fool. You were always wrong. But this is too much. I hope you feel proud of your copy pasting skills though. Though that formatting needs some serious work.

 

[NarutoX28]

If Enton/Amateratsu has the ability to sap chakra and NE, how did rasengan still exploded during the clash?

It doesn't absorb chakra, it merely burns through chakra as it has the capability to burn through any Katon provided there's a sufficient amount of chakra released in order to do so. It's seriously common sense. Amaterasu burned through Ei's Raiton Cloak yet there's no indication of it his Raiton Cloak dissipating at all.

 

[ComplexCity]

Please, tell me the difference between Transitive and Intransitive usages, after you hit google of course and educate yourself. All you have done is hilariously copy paste the whole thing like a monkey. I am laughing so hard right now at your foolishness here, because you don't know one facet of that term. Not even one. When Noun, Verb - Trans and Intrans Vs- Synonyms, Antonyms are not the same nor is their usage the same... In fact, you even copied the etymology of the term. Is this a class on making people understand Nouns, Verbs, Etymology or something? Haha, Hilarious, this guy.

Here you go, man:

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Which is the same as this:



Educate yourself, as this is a "sense" or in other words what is usually perceived to be the "Meaning" of the term. This is not a Synonym. Looks like you can't even tell "Sense" and "Synonyms" apart. Stop embarrassing yourself, you perpetual fool. You were always wrong. But this is too much. I hope you feel proud of your copy pasting skills though. Though that formatting needs some serious work.

I'm a fool yet when Ey's arm got destroyed he still used it to smack Sasuke across the floor.


I'm a fool yet when the samurai armor was destroyed, it still remained intact and wasn't burned through

de·stroy\di-ˈstrȯi, dē-\
: to cause (something) to end or no longer exist : to cause the destruction of (something) : to damage (something) so badly that it cannot be repaired
: to kill (an animal) especially because it is sick, injured, or dangerous
: to defeat (someone or something) easily or completely
Full Definition
transitive verb
1 : to ruin the structure, organic existence, or condition of <destroyed the files>; also : to ruin as if by tearing to shreds <their reputation was destroyed>
2 a : to put out of existence : kill <destroy an injured horse>
b : neutralize <the moon destroys the light of the stars>
c : annihilate, vanquish <armies had been crippled but not destroyed — W. L. Shirer>
intransitive verb


There are multitudes of definitions for burn. Burning can cause destruction but burning is not exactly destruction itself stop being a clown

 

[BlinkST]

I'm a fool yet when Ey's arm got destroyed he still used it to smack Sasuke across the floor.

Ay's arm was not destroyed immediately, so I'm not sure what you're arguing against. Is it that Amaterasu does not "sap" things, or it does not "sap" them immediately?

Let's revisit the description of Amaterasu when Itachi first used it:

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Zetsu: W - wow... He burnt up the flames with flames! // --HE HAS SIMPLY TO LOOK AT THAT WHICH HE WISHES TO BURN, AND THE BLACK FLAMES SHALL SPREAD FORTH FROM THAT FOCAL POINT--
Itachi: *pant*
Zetsu: --THE BLACK FLAMES WILL NOT VANISH UNTIL THEY HAVE BURNT THEIR TARGET DOWN TO NOTHING... EVEN IF THAT TARGET IS FLAME ITSELF--
Itachi: *pant*

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す…すげェ…　炎で炎を食い尽くした！
Zetsu1: W-wow...! Flames are eating up other flames!

燃ヤシタイ所ヲ目視シ　ピントが合ウダケデ　ソノ視点カラ黒炎ガ発火スル
Zetsu2: By just looking at and focusing on the place he wants to burn he's able to make black flames spring up from that point.

ハァ　ハァ
Itachi: *anf anf*

黒炎ハ　捉エタモノヲ燃ヤシ尽クスマデ消エナイ…　ソノ対象ガ炎デアッテモダ
Zetsu2: The black flames won't vanish until they've completely consumed what they captured... It works even if the target is other flames.

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And the description used by Kabuto:

it is so hot now that the whole cave became dry again\\

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K: The intense heat reverted the limestone cave.

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I originally thought you might have had some kind of real point when I saw Shelke's antagonistic response to your OP, but wow, this is just inexcusable, and I frankly would have gotten banned for telling you even worse.

You are seriously playing semantics over someone saying Amaterasu is capable of "sapping" Senjutsu, when this is perfectly in-line with the manga.

 

[ComplexCity]

Ay's arm was not destroyed immediately, so I'm not sure what you're arguing against. Is it that Amaterasu does not "sap" things, or it does not "sap" them immediately?

Let's revisit the description of Amaterasu when Itachi first used it:









And the description used by Kabuto:









I originally thought you might have had some kind of real point when I saw Shelke's antagonistic response to your OP, but wow, this is just inexcusable, and I frankly would have gotten banned for telling you even worse.

You are seriously playing semantics over someone saying Amaterasu is capable of "sapping" Senjutsu, when this is perfectly in-line with the manga.

Senjutsu =/= to NE so Idk know what you're saying. You can go ahead and go back and read the replies I'm not spend another 5 pages going through it again


As for the first response, he claims that burning and destroying are inversely used when in fact Ay's was not destroyed the moment it made contact with Enton.