Rinnegan Kakashi

[EZQ]

Control has jack to do with strength. Sasuke being able to control the black flame better doesn't mean that it's stronger, and I suggest you get your terminology correct.

Amaterasu=Technique that spawns the black fire.

Enton=Blaze Release=Name of Black Flame.

Kagutsuchi=The technique used to control the black flames.



Irrelevant. When you can prove that he can, then we can talk. Until then, you can do me a favor and drop the argument. If Limbo could use Ninjutsu, it wouldn't be shown using Taijutsu in every occasion. EMS Madara, Edo Madara and Rinnegan Madara have showed usage of Susanoo. JJ Madara is not a different person, he is the same person with a boost in power. Prove to me that a boost in power via the Juubi means Madara loses PS, otherwise all you are going to do is make yourself look a fool with the nonsense comparisons.



Nope. That is proof that OBITO lost parts of HIS KAMUI. Which is completely different from SUSANOO. Come back to me when you can prove that Madara can't use PS, and that Limbo can use Ninjutsu. Madara not using it to fight against Naruto and Sasuke is piss poor nonsense evidence considering he hadn't even begun to truly engage them after he got his other eye. He only set up a distraction and made IT his priority. He was taken out before he could engage them in another battle.



Nope. Because unlike Susanoo, there is no reason to believe Limbo can use Ninjutsu. I highly suggest you stop with this nonsense argument, because given these weak ass points, it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about.



Fanfiction pal. Cut it out.

1- Okay i confused enton with kagutsuchi, my bad. EMS made sasuke's kagutsuchi stronger. Controling amaterasu better = Kagutsuhi getting stronger. His control over amaterasu is stronger than before.

2- All that wall of text is irrelevant, you're missing mi point.

"When you can prove that he can, then we can talk. Until then, you can do me a favor and drop the argument. If Limbo could use Ninjutsu, it wouldn't be shown using Taijutsu in every occasion. EMS Madara, Edo Madara and Rinnegan Madara have showed usage of Susanoo. JJ Madara is not a different person, he is the same person with a boost in power. Prove to me that a boost in power via the Juubi means Madara loses PS, otherwise all you are going to do is make yourself look a fool with the nonsense comparisons."

Bold 1: Then if JJ madara could use Susano then he wouldn't have been shown using weaker technques than susano on every ocassion

Bold 2: Limbo is madara from the limbo world, he is not a different person from madara, he is the same person from the limbo world. Prove to me that being from the limbo world does not allow you to use the same techniques as the madara from the NV world.

"Nope. That is proof that OBITO lost parts of HIS KAMUI. Which is completely different from SUSANOO. Come back to me when you can prove that Madara can't use PS, and that Limbo can use Ninjutsu. Madara not using it to fight against Naruto and Sasuke is piss poor nonsense evidence considering he hadn't even begun to truly engage them after he got his other eye. He only set up a distraction and made IT his priority. He was taken out before he could engage them in another battle."

Bold 1: Is this a joke? So you make claims and then ask the ones who disagrees to bring proof? Okay, come back at me when you have proof of madara being able to use susano and proof of limbo not being able to use ninjutsu. (I already conceded on Madara being able to use susano, just showing you how your arguments looks from outside, and if madara can use susano his limbos can use ninjutsu).

Bold 2: Exactly what i think. When madara gained his second eye he gained the true powers of his eyes. His limbos were just using taijutsu against naruto because he was merely distracting him to be able to use IT. He hadn't started to engage them in real battle. So when he finally gained the true powers of his eyes he got trolled by black zetsu, and his limbos just used taijutsu for the same reason madara didn't use susano, he was merely distracting Naruto and Sasuke.

"Nope. Because unlike Susanoo, there is no reason to believe Limbo can use Ninjutsu. I highly suggest you stop with this nonsense argument, because given these weak ass points, it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about."

.... Based on what? There's no reason to believe Limbo can use ninjutsu, how about Limbo being just another madara from the limbo world?. Limbo using ninjutsu is just as fanfic as JJ Madara using susano.. so, if we use the argument "Why would being JJ stop madara from being able to use susano?" then there's no reason to use it like "why would being a Madara from the limbo world stop him from using ninjutsu?"

You are the one with weak arguments sir, and also you're contradicting yourself.

If limbo using ninjutsu is fan fiction, then JJ Madara's susano is as well, since none of them is cannon, and if we use the argument of "there's no reason to lose power" it applys to both madara's susanos and limbos, like it or not.

 

[KidGamer65]

Both of them get get bopped. There's nothing stopping kakashi from using bunshin to:

A) create more limbo
B) use rinnegan techs in conjunction with ems techs

No proof or evidence the bold is possible. The second one doesn't change much.

That's all that's necessary.
Rinne shift automatically insures the landing of other kamui based techs that would have been beaten out by speed.

Like what?

It also gives kakashi more options in terms of dodging redirecting and stopping either 's techs.
Six path techs let's him absorb lesser techniques, gives him joint vision, via clones using rinne(which extend to limbo) and at very least edo madara lvl six path techs(most likely higher due to rikudo)

Gonna need to be specific. Six Paths Jutsu are useless. Preta Path isn't going to work on any jutsu that is even remotely relevant in a fight against Naruto or Sasuke, especially Naruto. The strongest attacks are things he can't absorb, and the smaller attacks are things that won't matter regardless of whether he has Preta Path or not.

Using Bunshin doesn't create a Rinnegan link. Never once stated, hinted or implied. A Rinnegan link is only created via Animals and the corpses or live bodies used via the Six Paths of Pain Jutsu. That includes Limbo. Not sure why you'd even mention the Six Paths Jutsu.

Now their's ems kamui. With standard kamui he shown the ability to imbue kamui's abilities onto both his susanno and his raikiri. Much like sauce with ems this ability is takes up to the next lvl, Ggiving him more free reign over what he can imbue kamui's multiple abilities on (phasing ps?)

Fanfic level is over 9000 with this one.

Only reason why kakashi didn't beat them prior was lack of firepower, and your bias. We've seen time and time again that firepower, means little to nothing against kamui(ms obito vs bm naruto) and the most important factor being timing. But with this many movement options and such a vast way to stop either from approaching they'll never get get the chance to even get near kakashi to even forCE the 5 min limit that may or may not even exist due to ems.

Kakashi has no firepower above his PS. OP's additions didn't give him such abilities. The only thing that'd come close are the Six Paths Jutsu, and even then they won't cut it. PS trumps, and Sasuke's PS will always trump. Naruto's Avatar will always trump. Madara's PS will always trump. Ameno means little against Naruto since he can react to it, same goes for Madara and Sasuke (can react with his own Ameno)

Susanoo shuts down Limbo. Naruto's clones were fighting Limbo from a guy far stronger in the close combat area than Kakashi. Madara has his own Limbo, which will dominate Kakashi's since JJ Madara>>>>>>>>>Rikudo Kakashi in physical ability.

Bold is a joke, and a pretty terrible one at that. Amenotejikara has a cool down period. There is no "Naruto or Sasuke or Madara will never get anywhere near him" cause he cannot run from them the whole battle. The rest is an assumption backed with no evidence so I'll pretend I didn't read it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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[KidGamer65]

1- Okay i confused enton with kagutsuchi, my bad. EMS made sasuke's kagutsuchi stronger. Controling amaterasu better = Kagutsuhi getting stronger. His control over amaterasu is stronger than before.

Control and strength aren't the same thing. When you can show me that the flames burn hotter, then you can say they got stronger. Saying "His control over Amaterasu is stronger than before" means little since that refers to his control. We are referring to strength.

Bold 1: Then if JJ madara could use Susano then he wouldn't have been shown using weaker technques than susano on every ocassion

There was only one occasion where he could use PS, and that's when he got both his eyes back, and he was focused on IT more than he was on beating Naruto and Sasuke, so he had no reason to use PS. Every other time before that are times where Susanoo would matter due to his opponent's jutsu, or where his JJ abilities surpassed a regular Susanoo. (Not including PS as he needs both eyes to sue it)

Bold 2: Limbo is madara from the limbo world, he is not a different person from madara, he is the same person from the limbo world. Prove to me that being from the limbo world does not allow you to use the same techniques as the madara from the NV world.

Sorry pal. Limbo has used nothing but Taijutsu, and you have still given me no reason to believe that it can do more.

Bold 1: Is this a joke? So you make claims and then ask the ones who disagrees to bring proof? Okay, come back at me when you have proof of madara being able to use susano and proof of limbo not being able to use ninjutsu. (I already conceded on Madara being able to use susano, just showing you how your arguments looks from outside, and if madara can use susano his limbos can use ninjutsu).

I've already proven my point. When Limbo shows Ninjutsu, it gets Ninjutsu. Or when someone proves that it can use Ninjutsu, then you can tell me it can use Ninjutsu. Since you can't, you have no point and it's really that simple.

Bold 2: Exactly what i think. When madara gained his second eye he gained the true powers of his eyes. His limbos were just using taijutsu against naruto because he was merely distracting him to be able to use IT. He hadn't started to engage them in real battle. So when he finally gained the true powers of his eyes he got trolled by black zetsu, and his limbos just used taijutsu for the same reason madara didn't use susano, he was merely distracting Naruto and Sasuke.

That doesn't include every other time Limbo was used. If you want to tell me that he needs both eyes to use Ninjutsu with Limbo, then you'd have to prove that. Stop making these baseless ass claims. The rest is a repeat of the same shit argument you've been using since the start of this discussion.

 

[super yang]

Rinnegan Neji > Rinnegan Kakashi

 

[EZQ]

Control and strength aren't the same thing. When you can show me that the flames burn hotter, then you can say they got stronger. Saying "His control over Amaterasu is stronger than before" means little since that refers to his control. We are referring to strength.



There was only one occasion where he could use PS, and that's when he got both his eyes back, and he was focused on IT more than he was on beating Naruto and Sasuke, so he had no reason to use PS. Every other time before that are times where Susanoo would matter due to his opponent's jutsu, or where his JJ abilities surpassed a regular Susanoo. (Not including PS as he needs both eyes to sue it)


Sorry pal. Limbo has used nothing but Taijutsu, and you have still given me no reason to believe that it can do more.




I've already proven my point. When Limbo shows Ninjutsu, it gets Ninjutsu. Or when someone proves that it can use Ninjutsu, then you can tell me it can use Ninjutsu. Since you can't, you have no point and it's really that simple.



That doesn't include every other time Limbo was used. If you want to tell me that he needs both eyes to use Ninjutsu with Limbo, then you'd have to prove that. Stop making these baseless ass claims. The rest is a repeat of the same shit argument you've been using since the start of this discussion.

Okay i'm only replying to the kagutsuchi thing, the rest we'll see.

We are talking about the strenght of a technique, if the technique is about controlling, and the controlling got better, the technique got stronger, why are you even arguing here? Amaterasu is not sasuke's MS technique so there's no reason for it to be stronger because having EMS, what is stronger is his MS ability =kagutsuchi = better control on the flames.

About all the crap you posted below, i didn't even read, i brought a scan (tough i was right even without it)

Madara busted away the 9 bijuus with limbo at the same time. So his limbo clone did "something" to bust 9 bijuus at the same time. Doubt its taijutsu tough. Think whatever you want. I'm posting the scan o your profile to make sure you see it anyways.

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Hard evidence of Limbo using ninjutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay i'm only replying to the kagutsuchi thing, the rest we'll see.

We are talking about the strenght of a technique, if the technique is about controlling, and the controlling got better, the technique got stronger, why are you even arguing here? Amaterasu is not sasuke's MS technique so there's no reason for it to be stronger because having EMS, what is stronger is his MS ability =kagutsuchi = better control on the flames.

Nope. The technique that controls getting better=/=the flames that are being controlled getting stronger. What in the hell is with the bold? Amaterasu is his left eye tech. Kagutsuchi is his right eye tech. Not sure where "amaterasu isn't his MS tech" came from.

The black flame is his Mangekyo ability. It did not get stronger. His control over it got better. That simple. You have zero proof getting EMS will make Kamui stronger or faster.

About all the crap you posted below, i didn't even read, i brought a scan (tough i was right even without it)

Madara busted away the 9 bijuus with limbo at the same time. So his limbo clone did "something" to bust 9 bijuus at the same time. Doubt its taijutsu tough. Think whatever you want. I'm posting the scan o your profile to make sure you see it anyways.

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Hard evidence of Limbo using ninjutsu.

Maybe I should have an online class on what evidence really is. Specifically the meaning of the term "HARD evidence". If this were hard evidence I'd see Limbo using Ninjutsu, instead, you've shown me Limbo smacking the Bijuu with the same exact impact marks that occur when Limbo slapped Naruto, w/ TAIJUTSU.

This isn't proof of anything. Limbo smacked all 9 Bijuu so quickly that they fell near simultaneously. This is only proof of Limbo's strength, not proof that it can use Ninjutsu. Try again.

 

[EZQ]

Nope. The technique that controls getting better=/=the flames that are being controlled getting stronger. What in the hell is with the bold? Amaterasu is his left eye tech. Kagutsuchi is his right eye tech. Not sure where "amaterasu isn't his MS tech" came from.

The black flame is his Mangekyo ability. It did not get stronger. His control over it got better. That simple. You have zero proof getting EMS will make Kamui stronger or faster.



Maybe I should have an online class on what evidence really is. Specifically the meaning of the term "HARD evidence". If this were hard evidence I'd see Limbo using Ninjutsu, instead, you've shown me Limbo smacking the Bijuu with the same exact impact marks that occur when Limbo slapped Naruto, w/ TAIJUTSU.

This isn't proof of anything. Limbo smacked all 9 Bijuu so quickly that they fell near simultahe flneously. This is only proof of Limbo's strength, not proof that it can use Ninjutsu. Try again.

1- Did i ever say the flames got stronger? No i didn't, maybe i should be the one making an online class.

Kagutsuchi getting stronger = his control on flames getting stronger, not the flames. EMS made sasuke's kagutsuchi stronger, is it that hard to read?

Control of flames getting stronger = Easier to control the flames. Its the same as when Obito said that he'd use hashirama's cells to make "the control on the juubi" stronger.

2- Okay (Kinder garden lady teacher voice) , now:

1 eyed madara has 1 limbo right?, okay now lets move to the next point.

What is limbo? Limbo is this kind of "clone" of madara, that comes from the limbo world, all right guys we're doing great!

Then, we know madara's physicall capabilities right? Is he capable of sendind a tailed beast that has the size of 1000 madara's together with just taijutsu? No he isn't. Because if he was, his taijutsu struggle with RSM naruto would have been a joke to him, since after that he even powered up by getting the juubi's shell body. Okay guys you are understanding! I love being a kinder garden teacher.

Okay now, even if he was capable of sendind one tailed beast flying with taijutsu, how does he send flying 9 tailed beasts at the same time that are pretty much far away from eachother if there's only one limbo? Hmm sounds like a tough one, okay the first who raises his hand and answers correctly gets a star:

-KG65 (raises his hand)

-Yes KG65?

-KG65: Taijutsu?

-Teacher: Oooh you were close KG, but you wont get the star this time. Anyone else?

-ezequielosses (raises his hand)

-Teacher: Yes ezquielosses?

-ezequielosses: Probably with some kind of ninjutsu, shinra tensei or some deva technique given the situation,

-Teacher: Okay that's right! there you go, here's the star (*)

And that's how this ends. Happy ending.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No proof or evidence the bold is possible. The second one doesn't change much.

no proof that kage bunshin can't use all the techs the original can use? What?

Like what?

Kamui shuriken, kamui raikiri, and the possibility of putting kamui on other techs.

Gonna need to be specific.

St, limbo, susanno, ct, ts, rinne shift and many more give kakashi a plethora of ways to get out of each and every one of their attacks.

Six Paths Jutsu are useless.

just explained why that's not true.

Preta Path isn't going to work on any jutsu that is even remotely relevant in a fight against Naruto or Sasuke, especially Naruto.

Petra will work on any standard frs bar bdfrs.

The strongest attacks are things he can't absorb, and the smaller attacks are things that won't matter regardless of whether he has Preta Path or not.

He has no need to absorb the strongest attacks when he can phase via kamui, redirect via rinne shift, blocked via kamui. Weaker attacks are absorbed to keep chakra.

Using Bunshin doesn't create a Rinnegan link. Never once stated, hinted or implied. A Rinnegan link is only created via Animals and the corpses or live bodies used via the Six Paths of Pain Jutsu. That includes Limbo. Not sure why you'd even mention the Six Paths Jutsu.

false rinnegan link is outer path technique which each clone would posess by proxy of original. Animals and dead bodies are just an extension of the originals abilities.

Fanfic level is over 9000 with this one.

What's fanfic about doing something he already did? Bruh. He already put one of kamui's abilities on a part of his susanno(kamui shuriken) with ems he'd have greater control to extend it to other parts of ps. Nobody questions sasuke using enton and rinne shift in the exact same manner(applying it to ps)

Kakashi has no firepower above his PS.

Kamui was already his greatest firepower. Not ps. Being able to create wormholes bigger than the juubi is far better than cutting off mountain tops. PS is only for precursor defense( as shown in manga) and movement options.

OP's additions didn't give him such abilities.

be specific.

The only thing that'd come close are the Six Paths Jutsu, and even then they won't cut it.

They would go above and beyond when used in combination with kamui.

PS trumps, and Sasuke's PS will always trump.

I'm sure sasuke's ps will find the time to reach kakashi's when he's dealing with multiple meteors falling from the sky, kamui shuriken getting shifted to his location , and limbo clones for the remote chance he drops ps, and the inevitable kamui snipe.

Naruto's Avatar will always trump.

above.

Madara's PS will always trump.

plausible.

Ameno means little against Naruto since he can react to it

what? since when can you react to instant? In both cases it was used against him he couldn't react. The first being him unable to even move and reacting to sasuke thrust. The second being his clone not moving period, and getting 1 shotted to the floor.

same goes for Madara

nope. Madara caught a sword through the chest twice and got pumped by sasuke's and Naruto chidori and rasengan respectively, having to use limbo excape after the fact.

Sasuke (can react with his own Ameno)

Sasuke couldn't even react to kaguya's much slower st. He's not reacting to rinneshift.

Susanoo shuts down Limbo.

They are only there for when ps goes down. No reason to put them out just for them to come back and force cooldown.

Naruto's clones were fighting Limbo from a guy far stronger in the close combat area than Kakashi.

irrelevant. By being forced to engage the limbo they leave themselves open for actual clones to kill them wholesale.

Madara has his own Limbo, which will dominate Kakashi's since JJ Madara>>>>>>>>>Rikudo Kakashi in physical ability.

true. But since when did this become madara sasuke and Naruto? Pretty sure it was only the latter two.

Bold is a joke, and a pretty terrible one at that. Amenotejikara has a cool down period.

which is circumvented with ps, st, and kamui.

There is no "Naruto or Sasuke or Madara will never get anywhere near him" cause he cannot run from them the whole battle.

He's not. He's setting up checks and defenses to force openings. If they have to deal with all the aforementioned things then they leave themselves open for kamui snipe. If they don't address it it can potentially kill them.

The rest is an assumption backed with no evidence so I'll pretend I didn't read it.

U mean ems making kamui better? Sure

 

[EZQ]

@KG:

Databook: "A person who posses the Rinnegan can intervene in an adjacent world, an extremely distance world. In that space a shadow is produced, which everyone who is connected with the current world can't feel. Not only will the jutsu user gain a duplicate of himself with equal ability, but it will also be invisible. Squaring of against a user, counter attack is impossible, going up against this ability will result in one losing against such a powerful enemy"

The clones have the same ability madara has, so if madara can't send the bijuus flying with just taijutsu the clones can't either. And if madara can use ninjutsu then the clones can do it.

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[Beans2]

Oh god...I shouldn't have made this thread.

 

[EZQ]

Oh god...I shouldn't have made this thread.

Watcha talking about? Its a good one. MS kindergarden finally showed up.

 

[KidGamer65]

1- Did i ever say the flames got stronger? No i didn't, maybe i should be the one making an online class.

Then you have no point. EMS will not make his techs stronger. End of story.

Kagutsuchi getting stronger = his control on flames getting stronger, not the flames. EMS made sasuke's kagutsuchi stronger, is it that hard to read?

Control of flames getting stronger = Easier to control the flames. Its the same as when Obito said that he'd use hashirama's cells to make "the control on the juubi" stronger.

Now I'll tell you the same shit I already told you. Has jack shit to do with the strength of the flames, so there is no reason the strength of Kamui would increase. End. Of. Story. Please stop coming at me with these weak ass replies and petty jabs at intelligence when the only one who looks like a fool is you.

2- Okay (Kinder garden lady teacher voice) , now:

1 eyed madara has 1 limbo right?, okay now lets move to the next point.

What is limbo? Limbo is this kind of "clone" of madara, that comes from the limbo world, all right guys we're doing great!

Then, we know madara's physicall capabilities right? Is he capable of sendind a tailed beast that has the size of 1000 madara's together with just taijutsu? No he isn't. Because if he was, his taijutsu struggle with RSM naruto would have been a joke to him, since after that he even powered up by getting the juubi's shell body. Okay guys you are understanding! I love being a kinder garden teacher.

Okay now, even if he was capable of sendind one tailed beast flying with taijutsu, how does he send flying 9 tailed beasts at the same time that are pretty much far away from eachother if there's only one limbo? Hmm sounds like a tough one, okay the first who raises his hand and answers correctly gets a star:

-KG65 (raises his hand)

-Yes KG65?

-KG65: Taijutsu?

-Teacher: Oooh you were close KG, but you wont get the star this time. Anyone else?

-ezequielosses (raises his hand)

-Teacher: Yes ezquielosses?

-ezequielosses: Probably with some kind of ninjutsu, shinra tensei or some deva technique given the situation,

-Teacher: Okay that's right! there you go, here's the star (*)

And that's how this ends. Happy ending.

The rest is irrelevant. Deva Path doesn't even make those impact marks when it hits a target. Those impact marks occur when someone hits someone or something.

-Shown when Gai hit Madara.
-Shown when Lee hit someone in Part 1.
-Shown when Limbo hit Naruto during their fight.

Now. If you aren't going to give me real evidence, do me a favor and stop killing my brain cells. The DB entry is irrelevant. It says of equal ability. Never once said that it can use every single ability that the original can use. Not once. Invalid point, and a nice waste of a post.

What's also funny is that Madara has no Ninjutsu that is capable of bitch slapping all 9 Bijuu like that, with the same impact marks that we've seen in the Manga, but of course, let's ignore Manga fact in favor of making ourselves look like a clown.

no proof that kage bunshin can't use all the techs the original can use? What?

Limbo is limited to 5 clones. Zero proof that Bunshin are enough to bypass this limit.

Kamui shuriken, kamui raikiri, and the possibility of putting kamui on other techs.

Shuriken? Naruto can react to Ameno even with Sasuke setting up a visual barrier and distraction beforehand. Naruto would easily evade/counter Kamui Shuriken, or Kamui Raikiri, which can be tanked by the Gudo Dama. Madara can absorb Raikiri with Preta Path, repel the Shuriken with Shinra Tensei, or he can switch with Limbo. Putting Kamui on other techs is something that isn't factual. Fanfiction.

St, limbo, susanno, ct, ts, rinne shift and many more give kakashi a plethora of ways to get out of each and every one of their attacks.

Not really. Shinra Tensei isn't useful against their Avatars, and the 5 second cooldown makes it easy to exploit when 2 people are super fast, and the other can teleport.

just explained why that's not true.

That wasn't an explanation. That was a statement.

Petra will work on any standard frs bar bdfrs. He has no need to absorb the strongest attacks when he can phase via kamui, redirect via rinne shift, blocked via kamui. Weaker attacks are absorbed to keep chakra.

So basically the only things he can absorb are the things that will destroy his PS, and he can't use Preta while using Susanoo. Thanks for reaffirming how useless it really is here. Once PS is gone, neither party needs a chakra based attack to land a fatal hit on Kakashi.

false rinnegan link is outer path technique which each clone would posess by proxy of original. Animals and dead bodies are just an extension of the originals abilities.

Bold doesn't even make sense in this context. Animals and dead bodies are the only shown ways to share your vision with Rinnegan due to the link the chakra rods provide. The original is only the source. Multiple originals won't fullfil the duty of the animals and dead bodies here.

What's fanfic about doing something he already did? Bruh. He already put one of kamui's abilities on a part of his susanno(kamui shuriken) with ems he'd have greater control to extend it to other parts of ps. Nobody questions sasuke using enton and rinne shift in the exact same manner(applying it to ps)

He used Kamui Shuriken. That isn't proof that he can extend it to whatever he pleases. Fanfiction. Considering how outmatched Kakashi is, I'm not surprised you two have resorted to it. Sasuke has already applied Enton to every version of Susanoo bar PS. Sasuke has already used Ameno with Perfect Susanoo. In canon. Completely different.

Kamui was already his greatest firepower. Not ps. Being able to create wormholes bigger than the juubi is far better than cutting off mountain tops. PS is only for precursor defense( as shown in manga) and movement options.

And it's not going to land here.

be specific.

OP didn't give him abilities that would increase his firepower beyond PS.

They would go above and beyond when used in combination with kamui.

Not really. And you've given me no explanation to show me why.

I'm sure sasuke's ps will find the time to reach kakashi's when he's dealing with multiple meteors falling from the sky, kamui shuriken getting shifted to his location , and limbo clones for the remote chance he drops ps, and the inevitable kamui snipe.

Multiple meteors far inferior to what Madara produced? Multiple meteors that Sasuke can even counter with his own, stronger, meteors? Kamui Shuriken that can be evaded by raw speed depending on how close they get to his Susanoo? Or evaded by Ameno which Sasuke can use through Susanoo? Lmao.

above.

For Naruto it's even worse since he can make Avatar clones, and his regular clones are already dangerous since BDFRS has the capability to wreck Kakashi's Susanoo if used in multiples.

plausible.

Far more than plausible.

what? since when can you react to instant? In both cases it was used against him he couldn't react. The first being him unable to even move and reacting to sasuke thrust. The second being his clone not moving period, and getting 1 shotted to the floor.

Ameno attacks aren't instant. Lmao. Do I have to explain why? I hope not. Naruto reacted the first time. He turned around and blocked a hit to his back using his left arm. Not sure how you define the term "react", but that is a clear reaction right there. Doesn't help that Sasuke had to use a fireball to distract him and block Naruto's vision of him to even get that far.

The second one is because Bijuu Susanoo is much faster than the regular Susanoo, thus Naruto couldn't react properly. Kakashi has no such speed here. So it's irrelevant.

nope. Madara caught a sword through the chest twice and got pumped by sasuke's and Naruto chidori and rasengan respectively, having to use limbo excape after the fact. Sasuke couldn't even react to kaguya's much slower st. He's not reacting to rinneshift.

I meant that Ameno is useless against Madara because Kakashi can't kill him even if he lands a hit with Raikiri. He's immortal. If he tries using it with Kamui Shuriken, then Madara would just deflect them with Shinra Tensei.

Sasuke not being able to react to someone slower than him using Ameno is probably the dumbest thing you can say. It's like Naruto being blitzed by himself. He got hit by Kaguya's S/T because he was taken by surprise. Not to mention the speed of the ST had little to do with it. Surprise and Kaguya's own speed is what caught him.

They are only there for when ps goes down. No reason to put them out just for them to come back and force cooldown.

I just said regular Susanoo, not PS.

irrelevant. By being forced to engage the limbo they leave themselves open for actual clones to kill them wholesale.

Not really considering Naruto would easily outnumber him in the clone department, and easily trump him.

true. But since when did this become madara sasuke and Naruto? Pretty sure it was only the latter two.

Pretty sure you said he beats everyone but Kaguya. But fine, let's keep this between Naruto and Sasuke.

which is circumvented with ps, st, and kamui.

PS? Nope. Because Naruto and Sasuke have the means to obliterate it. Shinra Tensei? Has it's own cooldown, which a teleporter and the second fastest Shunshin user in the Manga can easily circumvent. By the time his eye goes on the long term recharge, Kamui would be beaten by Ameno/Naruto's Flash Shunshin and clones.

He's not. He's setting up checks and defenses to force openings. If they have to deal with all the aforementioned things then they leave themselves open for kamui snipe. If they don't address it it can potentially kill them.

Not really, considering most of these things are either being done by the original, meaning he can't snipe them while distracted, or the distractions aren't enough to do anything to them. Naruto has clones. Sasuke can replicate CT, but on a larger scale due to his larger chakra.

U mean ems making kamui better? Sure

No proof of what you are saying. Nothing more to say on that matter.

 

[EZQ]

Then you have no point. EMS will not make his techs stronger. End of story.



Now I'll tell you the same shit I already told you. Has jack shit to do with the strength of the flames, so there is no reason the strength of Kamui would increase. End. Of. Story. Please stop coming at me with these weak ass replies and petty jabs at intelligence when the only one who looks like a fool is you.



The rest is irrelevant. Deva Path doesn't even make those impact marks when it hits a target. Those impact marks occur when someone hits someone or something.

-Shown when Gai hit Madara.
-Shown when Lee hit someone in Part 1.
-Shown when Limbo hit Naruto during their fight.

Now. If you aren't going to give me real evidence, do me a favor and stop killing my brain cells. The DB entry is irrelevant. It says of equal ability. Never once said that it can use every single ability that the original can use. Not once. Invalid point, and a nice waste of a post.

What's also funny is that Madara has no Ninjutsu that is capable of bitch slapping all 9 Bijuu like that, with the same impact marks that we've seen in the Manga, but of course, let's ignore Manga fact in favor of making ourselves look like a clown.

Okay, about the kagutsuchi thing, you're starting to look really retarded. If kagutsuchi gets stronger it doesn't mean the flames get stronger, it means Sasuke's control over them gets better. Sasuke's kagutsuchi grew a lot after getting EMS, so his control over the flames got better, nothing to do on how the flames burn. So yes, EMS did make one of sasuke's techs stronger (and since this tech is about controlling, it made the control "stronger")

I already posted the databook translation of limbo, its a clone from the limbo clone with the same abilities Madara has. Equal ability, what do you think that means? It has the same abilities!

Can madara use ninjutsu? Yes he can, so the clones can too.

Can madara wreck 9 bijuus like that with just taijusu? No he can't, so his limbos can't. Unless you have proof of limbo being 10x times faster and 100x times physically stronger than Madara (if it was that way, JJ limbo would have absolutely wrecked RSM Naruto in taijutsu)

If HUMAN BODY Madara's limbo could send the bijuus flying like that with just taijutsu then why did JJ BODY madara's limbo struggle with RSM Naruto in a battle of taijutsu? Get out of here.

I said that the justu user there was probably some deva technique, which guess what? Has the abilitie to send flying objects away using the user as an epicenter.

But you know what? I learned a lot today, Human body madara's limbo can send flying 9 bijuus away in almost an instant with just taijutsu thus making it a lot faster and stronger than the real madara but JJ Madara's limbo has the same physical strenght and speed that the real JJ Madara since both struggeled with RSM Naruto... That's something new that i learned today thanks to you! Here's a star *

 

[Beans2]

Watcha talking about? Its a good one. MS kindergarden finally showed up.

That teacher and student dialogue example though :lol

 

[EZQ]

That teacher and student dialogue example though :lol

Yes it was ridiculouss but i was bored. All debates end up the same way so i wanted to give it another ending and i had fun lol

 

[Holy God]

Like this he'd be able to defeat everyone. Though he defeats them, Kaguya and Madara would still be more powerful though.

 

[NarutoX28]

Well, he at least defeats RSM Naruto, Rikudou Sasuke, and Juubidara IMO.

Base Hagoromo is also a possibility, but I'm very doubtful he could handle Juubi Jin Hagoromo and Kaguya. The former might be possible, but extremely unlikely. He'd literally have perform in ideal conditions to pull it off.