Rinnegan Kakashi
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Madara rapes him.
If Madara is allowed Mokuton or Shadow Bunshins, this is a negative difficulty fight.
He cannot use Kamui while having Rinnegan activated, Edo Madara couldn't use MS when doing so, Kakashi is most certainly not a special case, he either has Rinnegan active, or not. His Rinnegan techniques are absolutely irrelevant and his Limbo get smashed.
Not even, Madara senses build up of chakra and effectively evades and or replaces his body with a Limbo clone let's not forget he can block Kakashi's LoS with an enhanced smoke screen (similar to what he used against Sasuke, but on a grander scale) and or Goudama.
Didn't dodge it, he opted for phasing through it, even if he did dodge it, it's irrelevant because he's not continuously evading PS shockwaves or Deva Path techniques, the AoE is too much.
Madara once again may replace his body with a Limbo clone, not that he needs to, as he won't be getting defeated by Kamui.
If Madara is allowed Mokuton or Shadow Bunshins, this is a negative difficulty fight.
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When was it said that you can't use MS techniques with Rinnegan activated? The only MS technique Madara used so far was Susanoo and Susanoo can be used without eyes as well. Merely Madara's clone used the MS for Genjutsu.
You can of course use MS techniques with the Rinnegan, as Sasuke used Amaterasu against Kaguya with his Rinnegan eye.
Also, it's not clear whether JJ Madara can use Mokuton (apart from summoning the god tree) as the Jinchuriki transformation modified his body and Hashirama's cells might be lost. Note that, when the Juubi was extracted from Madara, Hashirama's face on his chest was gone and his Zetsu arm was replaced with an ordinary one. So he DEFINITELY lost Hashirama's cells. Kagebunshin aren't an option. Madara never uses them in an actual fight as a support, like Naruto for example. Only one time against the Gokage when he played with them. Is it a fact that Madara can split his Juubi Jin body with Kagebunshin? No. Juubi's Jin couldn't phase through objects as well. So there are certain limitation for the body of a Juubi Jin. We only use the feats JJ Madara displayed plus what he showed as a pre Jinchuriki as long as it is to 100% clear that he kept those abilities. And btw, Kakashi can use shadow clones as well. No problem with Rikudo Chakra.
It will also be too late to change places with a Limbo if he is already sucked away. And as this fanfic Kakashi can use Limbo as well, he can also change places.
You can of course use MS techniques with the Rinnegan, as Sasuke used Amaterasu against Kaguya with his Rinnegan eye.
Also, it's not clear whether JJ Madara can use Mokuton (apart from summoning the god tree) as the Jinchuriki transformation modified his body and Hashirama's cells might be lost. Note that, when the Juubi was extracted from Madara, Hashirama's face on his chest was gone and his Zetsu arm was replaced with an ordinary one. So he DEFINITELY lost Hashirama's cells. Kagebunshin aren't an option. Madara never uses them in an actual fight as a support, like Naruto for example. Only one time against the Gokage when he played with them. Is it a fact that Madara can split his Juubi Jin body with Kagebunshin? No. Juubi's Jin couldn't phase through objects as well. So there are certain limitation for the body of a Juubi Jin. We only use the feats JJ Madara displayed plus what he showed as a pre Jinchuriki as long as it is to 100% clear that he kept those abilities. And btw, Kakashi can use shadow clones as well. No problem with Rikudo Chakra.
It will also be too late to change places with a Limbo if he is already sucked away. And as this fanfic Kakashi can use Limbo as well, he can also change places.
Okay to end the jokes. This kakashi can:
- Use all the Haxed techniques cannon kakashi has powered up by having EMS, Super kamui.
- Use amenotjikara to teleport himself and other things
- Use Limbo (the best jutsu of the entire manga)
- All his limbos can use amenotjikara and kamui
Anyone who says this Kakashi can't beat JJ madara is joking, only Kaguya beats him
- Use all the Haxed techniques cannon kakashi has powered up by having EMS, Super kamui.
- Use amenotjikara to teleport himself and other things
- Use Limbo (the best jutsu of the entire manga)
- All his limbos can use amenotjikara and kamui
Anyone who says this Kakashi can't beat JJ madara is joking, only Kaguya beats him
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Except it's been made clear that there is a difference between Sasuke's eye and a standard Rinnegan, hence the Tomoes and the ability to cast Genjutsu, Amaterasu and so on.
Until OP specifies which eye he is using, your point isn't valid, as OP specifies feats shown with both the standard Rinnegan and the Sharinnegan.
He does have these abilities, losing Hashirama's cells (which isnt even proven) will not rid of his ability to use Mokuton, not at all. After all, Hashirama's ability stems from the Shinju, even Madara's finisher with MT is named the same as one of Hashirama's techniques.
. Except he's used them as support, you contradict yourself in your own paragraph. He's used them in combat, he's used them to pin Ay and cast genjutsu.
Since when is Kagebunshin usage splitting your body? It's the creation of an identical clone, Mu is the only person who splits their body.
It's called deductive reasoning and it's perfectly viable here.
. Kakashi's Shadow clones are significantly weaker than Madara's, as he doesn't have the significant reserves Madara does, nor does he have Rikudo's Senjutsu on par with Madara's.
His Limbo get decimated by Deva Path or PS. Though Madara's physically superior clones alone finish them.
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Not a chance in hell for Naruto. His new abilities make it harder for Sasuke to win, but he still pulls through.
Lmao, if you were really here to end the jokes, you wouldn't be saying nonsense like Kakashi beats everyone but Kaguya. Get that wank out of here.
-EMS will not make Kamui stronger.
-Ameno is not going to let him beat anyone above Sasuke's level.
-Limbo is nigh useless.
-Lmao. Fanfiction at best. When you or anyone else has a scan that isn't from Naruto Storm 4, that proves Limbo can use Ninjutsu, then we can talk.
@Strict: Hashirama's face not being on Madara's chest is a drawing error. Volume versions of that chapter fixed it, nor does it make sense for him to lose Hashirama's cells. Did Obito lose them? Nope.
All this arguments falls to the fact that all of kakashi's limbos can use amenotjikara and kamui intangibility as well, so madara isn't touching them, while he has to be careful of fighting 6 Kamui sniper experts at the same time
-EMS will not make kamui stronger based on what? EMS powered up Sasuke's MS ability (enton).
-Ameno is not going to let him beat anyone above sasuke's level? Care to explain? 5 limbos using kamui and teleporting instantly on the battefield is a non factor against oponents stronger than sasuke?
Oh. So you think limbos cant use ninjutsu? Okay, then lets drop this discussion here, since there's no manga proof of it. (The same case of JJ Madara using PS, there's no manga proof but you still said it was legit, so, there's no point in having this kind of argument)
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No, it didn't. It let him control Enton more freely. The flame did not burn hotter so why would you claim it got stronger?
Your second point is irrelevant since you are giving Limbo fanfictional abilities. We debate using fact. Not fanfiction.
No, it's not the same, and this is what you people need to stop doing. JJ Madara and EMS Madara are NOT different people. If EMS Madara can use Susanoo, there is no reason why any incarnation that existed after that wouldn't be able to utilize the same techniques. The only time you can take away Madara's abilities is if you have evidence or proof that whatever change he went through would cause him to lose the ability to use Susanoo.
Has Limbo used Ninjutsu? No. Is there proof it can? No. What did Limbo do instead? Use Taijutsu in every occasion, even ones where Ninjutsu would've helped tons. I can use the same logic you people are using, and say that every ability Naruto, Obito, and Sasuke had before getting Hagoromo's power is off limits because "they didn't show it again".
-Guess Obito can't use Katon after becoming the JJ. Same with Madara.
-Guess Naruto lost all his previous Rasengan variants.
No he should have more here since you said that he has enough of it to awaken the rinnegan
Meaning his other Justus are stronger too
But they won't be strong enough to take down Somone like DRJj Masada IMO
So the strongest he beats is rikudo sasuke w/o BPS
Amaterasu: black fire
Enton: Control over amaterasu. Sasuke's MS ability is enton, so if Sasuke's control over amaterasu got better it means enton got stronger. I did never mention Amaterasu getting stronger.
On the other subject, all your arguments are irrelevant, Limbo Madara and JJ madara are not different people, limbo is a clone from madara from the limbo world. If JJ madara can use ninjutsu then limbo could as well, of course there's no manga scan, but its the same as not having a manga scan of JJ madara using susano but you still claim is legit, giving poor arguments like he is the same person. Juubi jins lose parts of their MS ability (Obito couldn't use Kamui intangibility wich was his strongest tech before) that's evidence for JJ madara not using PS when he could have used it to whipe naruto's and sasuke's ass, but lets not get out of subect here.
If Madara can use ninjutsu then why couldn't his limbos use it? They just used taijutsu for the same reason Madara didn't use susano right? Kishi just didn't show it.
As you say show me proof that Madara can't use susano after becoming JJ i say show me proof on why limbos can't use ninjutsu. There is no proof, point. Pointless discussion
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Control has jack to do with strength. Sasuke being able to control the black flame better doesn't mean that it's stronger, and I suggest you get your terminology correct.
Amaterasu=Technique that spawns the black fire.
Enton=Blaze Release=Name of Black Flame.
Kagutsuchi=The technique used to control the black flames.
Irrelevant. When you can prove that he can, then we can talk. Until then, you can do me a favor and drop the argument. If Limbo could use Ninjutsu, it wouldn't be shown using Taijutsu in every occasion. EMS Madara, Edo Madara and Rinnegan Madara have showed usage of Susanoo. JJ Madara is not a different person, he is the same person with a boost in power. Prove to me that a boost in power via the Juubi means Madara loses PS, otherwise all you are going to do is make yourself look a fool with the nonsense comparisons.
Nope. That is proof that OBITO lost parts of HIS KAMUI. Which is completely different from SUSANOO. Come back to me when you can prove that Madara can't use PS, and that Limbo can use Ninjutsu. Madara not using it to fight against Naruto and Sasuke is piss poor nonsense evidence considering he hadn't even begun to truly engage them after he got his other eye. He only set up a distraction and made IT his priority. He was taken out before he could engage them in another battle.
Nope. Because unlike Susanoo, there is no reason to believe Limbo can use Ninjutsu. I highly suggest you stop with this nonsense argument, because given these weak ass points, it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
Fanfiction pal. Cut it out.
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Having Rinnegan for this thread doesn't automatically change how much Rikudo Chakra he has when OP has already stated how much he gets for the thread.
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Both of them get get bopped. There's nothing stopping kakashi from using bunshin to:
A) create more limbo
B) use rinnegan techs in conjunction with ems techs
That's all that's necessary.
Rinne shift automatically insures the landing of other kamui based techs that would have been beaten out by speed.
It also gives kakashi more options in terms of dodging redirecting and stopping either 's techs.
Six path techs let's him absorb lesser techniques, gives him joint vision, via clones using rinne(which extend to limbo) and at very least edo madara lvl six path techs(most likely higher due to rikudo)
Now their's ems kamui. With standard kamui he shown the ability to imbue kamui's abilities onto both his susanno and his raikiri. Much like sauce with ems this ability is takes up to the next lvl, Ggiving him more free reign over what he can imbue kamui's multiple abilities on (phasing ps?)
Only reason why kakashi didn't beat them prior was lack of firepower, and your bias. We've seen time and time again that firepower, means little to nothing against kamui(ms obito vs bm naruto) and the most important factor being timing. But with this many movement options and such a vast way to stop either from approaching they'll never get get the chance to even get near kakashi to even forCE the 5 min limit that may or may not even exist due to ems.