Naruto Manga 492 Discussion and 493 Predictions

Naruto Manga 492 Discussion and 493 Predictions


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I've been thinking and looking over pics of other uchiha members and I think that madara is shisui they have the same hair and he was never shown dead and I know that danzo had the other eye but I think he stole some other uchihas eyes and uses them I may be wrong but just a thought Ao was not present during the lager meeting when madara showed up so he wasn't able to read the chakara
Characters can change their hair style. Madara wanted to be presumed dead therefore he might have had to change a bit. Shisui would be about Itachi's age, right? When we see a small part of Madara's face when he approaches Sasuke, it looks old. How could Shisui be that old? Itachi said Madara is Madara and tried to kill him. Kabuto makes us doubt that he is Madara. Well I guess that we just have to wait until his true identity is revealed by Kishi.
 

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What's the topic now, Fashion in the ninja world? If so, I'd say Naruto's hair style is pathetic: he does not even comb his hair! His style should be more like Sasuke's. That is probably the reason why he wont acknowledge him since he thinks Naruto does not have a fashion sense =)...
 
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At the time when Itachi first met Tobi Tobi's hair was shoulder-length, I don't want to look for the exact page, but it was when Tobi told Sasuke "the truth" about Itachi.
 

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What's the topic now, Fashion in the ninja world? If so, I'd say Naruto's hair style is pathetic: he does not even comb his hair! His style should be more like Sasuke's. That is probably the reason why he wont acknowledge him since he thinks Naruto does not have a fashion sense =)...
C'mon Itachi Sama. Why are you picking on the guy who is gonna save your beloved little brother. That hair may be the only light guiding Sasuke.:D
 
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I've been leaning this way also ...
So Shisui's abilities according to Narutopedia...
Shisui was noted to be one of the most talented members of the battle-excelling Uchiha clan. He had earned the nickname of "Shisui of the Body Flicker", possibly implying that he had great mastery of the Body Flicker Technique. As a wielder of the Sharingan, Shisui possessed an apparently unique dōjutsu of the highest caliber. It allowed the user to control the mind of the target in the most discreet manner.

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It is possible for him to be Tobi... Shisui's mastery of the 'body flicker' could be this teleportation jutsu...
His unique dojutsu could explain how Tobi can easily manipulate people to his cause.. like Pein ...
OMG! That would explain why Madara only has one eye too!!!! Danzo has the other one and somehow Madara was able to transfer his body into Shisui's after Danzo stole his eye. Maybe Itachi knew this...

Okay this is my theory:

Itachi went to Madara and told him that he had a proposition. He needed help destroying the Uchiha clan, and in return, he could help Madara...at that time, Madara was near death because of his fight with the Hokage, and so he said if Itachi could give him a worthy host, he'd help him. Itachi killed Shisui, gave one of his eyes to Danzo, and took away the body. Instead of disposing it, Madara took over Shisui's body, but he only had one eye because of it. Still, he isn't able to fully control the body because it is not his own and there is only one eye. Madara probably assumes that if he transplants the Rinnegan his body will be complete and he will have a combination of the two most powerful eye bloodline limits in the world...EMS and Rinnegan combined, making a power so strong that he'd be able to control the juubi!!!!! This also explains why Madara wanted to take Danzo's eye when Sasuke killed him...he probably wanted both eyes to posses the ultimate eye jutsu. Just a theory, but I think it is plausible.


For those who were asking for pics of Madara and Shisui's face, I found what are as close as it comes to their full faces.



that is Shisui's face, and remember that if Madara did take over his body, his face would look a lot older than it did when he was young. He would be at least 5 years older than Itachi when he died, and Itachi was beginning to get wrinkles.



This is part of Madara's face, which doesn't look exeptionally old...it isn't as though he looks like he's 100 and ready to croak or anything.
 
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OMG! That would explain why Madara only has one eye too!!!! Danzo has the other one and somehow Madara was able to transfer his body into Shisui's after Danzo stole his eye. Maybe Itachi knew this...

Okay this is my theory:

Itachi went to Madara and told him that he had a proposition. He needed help destroying the Uchiha clan, and in return, he could help Madara...at that time, Madara was near death because of his fight with the Hokage, and so he said if Itachi could give him a worthy host, he'd help him. Itachi killed Shisui, gave one of his eyes to Danzo, and took away the body. Instead of disposing it, Madara took over Shisui's body, but he only had one eye because of it. Still, he isn't able to fully control the body because it is not his own and there is only one eye. Madara probably assumes that if he transplants the Rinnegan his body will be complete and he will have a combination of the two most powerful eye bloodline limits in the world...EMS and Rinnegan combined, making a power so strong that he'd be able to control the juubi!!!!! This also explains why Madara wanted to take Danzo's eye when Sasuke killed him...he probably wanted both eyes to posses the ultimate eye jutsu. Just a theory, but I think it is plausible.


For those who were asking for pics of Madara and Shisui's face, I found what are as close as it comes to their full faces.



that is Shisui's face, and remember that if Madara did take over his body, his face would look a lot older than it did when he was young. He would be at least 5 years older than Itachi when he died, and Itachi was beginning to get wrinkles.



This is part of Madara's face, which doesn't look exeptionally old...it isn't as though he looks like he's 100 and ready to croak or anything.
dude the fight between the first hokage and madara took place LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG befor itachi was born.

madara fought the first.

konoha was founded with hashirama as hokage.

when sarutobi was a teenager[i mean about 19 to 22], 2nd hokage was in power...which means that that fight took place about 5 to 10 years before danzos flashback of when 3rd became hokage...

and THAT was about 60 years before the current timeline, i just dont think that you can say he was near death from the battle with the first and yet stay alive for so long
 
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dude the fight between the first hokage and madara took place LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG befor itachi was born.

madara fought the first.

konoha was founded with hashirama as hokage.

when sarutobi was a teenager[i mean about 19 to 22], 2nd hokage was in power...which means that that fight took place about 5 to 10 years before danzos flashback of when 3rd became hokage...

and THAT was about 60 years before the current timeline, i just dont think that you can say he was near death from the battle with the first and yet stay alive for so long
sorry, i was unclear about a few things. What i meant to say was that Madara's body was so damaged that he couldn't use any jutsu or anything anymore. He didn't want to take over just ANY body, cuz he had already begun thinking about the Moon's Eye plan. He needed a skilled shinobi's body, and so he waited in the shadows, seperating the Uchiha and Konoha with every chance presented to him (Kyuubi attack) so that one day he could take one of their bodies. He needed help to gain a new body because he didn't stand a chance against an Uchiha member so long as he was disabled of all his jutsu, so that is why he decided to help Itachi...so he could get Shisui's body.
 

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sorry, i was unclear about a few things. What i meant to say was that Madara's body was so damaged that he couldn't use any jutsu or anything anymore. He didn't want to take over just ANY body, cuz he had already begun thinking about the Moon's Eye plan. He needed a skilled shinobi's body, and so he waited in the shadows, seperating the Uchiha and Konoha with every chance presented to him (Kyuubi attack) so that one day he could take one of their bodies. He needed help to gain a new body because he didn't stand a chance against an Uchiha member so long as he was disabled of all his jutsu, so that is why he decided to help Itachi...so he could get Shisui's body.
Another point I just thought of... with Tobi being Shisui..

Danzo not only had an eye from Shisui, but also his right arm.. (probably so he could implant the other sharingans without draining all his chakra..)
I remember when Team Taka joined Akatsuki, Siegutsu(?) went to attack Kisame and Tobi stopped the blade with his forearm.. Could this be because it is a fake arm made of metal or something else?
I think Tobi being shisui is more probable than Obito at this point... however.. there is room for it to be either one... or someone new... but all the Uchiha are accounted for Dead and living

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My thought on the second affinity for Naruto is that it is in fact water but his water affinity is currently balancing the fire of the Fox to help keep it in check and will only manifest once the kyuubi is removed from Naruto or he gains control over it. He is set up to be the opposite of Sasuke in so many ways that it doesn't make sense to me for him to have any other element (unless he has water +.) If you look at the chart below each element is boosted by the one that comes after it in a clockwise motion and weak to the one before it. Meaning Water > Fire > Wind > Lightning > Earth > Water. Naruto with Water and Wind is hand made to defeat Sasuke with Fire and Lightning. At least that is my guess.

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I kind of think that it is not that straight forward that Naruto with water and wind is hand made to defeat Sasuke. Water can take out fire but then ligtning can gain advantage over water. Wind works well with fire. You can see Sasuke taking advantage of it with Danzo. Unfortunately/fortunately depending on if they are fighting together or against each another, Sasuke and Naruto are kind of made to balance each other out, sought of like they are equals for the moment. This is most likely because they are going to end up fighting together against enemies and this way they would combine their four elements to easily bring enemies down. Maybe there can even be a combo of chidori and rasenshuriken or rasengan.
 

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I agree with u totally..that makes alot more sense than having to fight him physically...i think the evil naruto will try to bring up all the bad things that has happened and how people feel to enrage him but naruto will have to control himself without lashing out to take control of his emotions
 

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After thinking it out alot more it makes more sense for madara to be shisui. Similiar jutsus both have little eye issues( madara showing only one eye always, and danzo having shisui other eye.) madara wanting the eye from danzo to I understand he collects them but still makes sense to me plus the pages where he says begin and ao discovers danzos secret I think was a hint but no one really connected it. Then I think where it may come to play a lil more is with kabuto showing him a body of someone to freak him out. So I'm also thinking that madara had something to do with orochimaru of how he's still alive or something because kabuto just didn't know his secrets so I have a feeling there was some past dealings with oro and now that kabuto has some of oro in him he has his memories and connected alot of things together that's my theory with it all
 

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After thinking it out alot more it makes more sense for madara to be shisui. Similiar jutsus both have little eye issues( madara showing only one eye always, and danzo having shisui other eye.) madara wanting the eye from danzo to I understand he collects them but still makes sense to me plus the pages where he says begin and ao discovers danzos secret I think was a hint but no one really connected it. Then I think where it may come to play a lil more is with kabuto showing him a body of someone to freak him out. So I'm also thinking that madara had something to do with orochimaru of how he's still alive or something because kabuto just didn't know his secrets so I have a feeling there was some past dealings with oro and now that kabuto has some of oro in him he has his memories and connected alot of things together that's my theory with it all
I Already told you all TOBI is MASASHI KISHIMOTO!!!!!!!!!
 
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