Naruto before he got sm mode was Kage level

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Before pein arc, he still had shadow clones, rangesan and stamina which made him a difficult opponent. the kazekage lost to a new recuirt akatsuki member whilst naruto and kakashi had no difficult against him. Naruto ability to be able to fight for extend time periods and take lots of damage makes him stronger than gaara, mei, old Kage guy, and tsunade. He might find the raikage hard to beat but could still win. also those are op techniques that naruto has its just over exposure why you think those moves aren't special or formidable against high class ninjas. When naruto got sage mode that put him mid tier Kage with the likes of mu, jiraya 3rd raikage, ms sasuke and hanzo. Who naruto could probably beat all of them as well with sm though. if naruto was guarding the Kage summit sasuke wouldn't have been able to cause as much trouble and disgrace Kages like mei who was beaten low diff against sasuke who already fought 2 Kages before. Naruto without sage is still more powerful that current time Kages with sm puts him with the strongest Kages in other villages and he still could probably beat them
 

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What is Kage level? Ppl throw this term around as if naruto at that stage could beat any Kage ever. Besides the 4th kazekage, every Kage is a beast.

Op: I agree but only cuz naruto has kurama inside him.
 

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I would say High-Jōnin (power wise).
 

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Intelligence > Power. He was no where near Kage level mentally, but then again look at Ayy.. Smh.
 

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Intelligence > Power. He was no where near Kage level mentally, but then again look at Ayy.. Smh.

Yea. Mei doesn't seem to smart battle wise either.
 

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Intelligence > Power. He was no where near Kage level mentally, but then again look at Ayy.. Smh.

Against raikage is obviously plot

Ot: Sm naruto mid kage, base naruto mid chump
 

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Base naruto before he got SM would get stomped by shippuden kages.
 

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Um what? The only Akaatsuki member I remember Gaara having trouble against was Deidara and that's because Deidara has advantages over gaara. Naruto without sage mode is strong but he's definitely not kage level. Naruto would get all kinds of spanked by Gaara's sand, Onnoki annihilates the only way Naruto wins against him is broken back gg, Mei uses PH scale to extremely acidic levels and negs, Naruto could never match up to byakuyou tsunade without kurana or sage mode, 4th raikage most certainly spanks, Naruto barely managed to outspeed him in KCM.

Though Naruto has nice feats, without sage mode or kurama he's anbu level at best high joy in level at least placing at a category that rivals kakashi and might gai. Naruto couldn't even use more than 2 Rasenshurikens a day without them hurting his hand without sage mode and exhausting his Chakra, kage level shinobi would neg that, plus Naruto needed insane amounts of prep work for that to even work. As shown against Kakuzu. Naruto hasn't even fought in base after he acquired sage mode until like what? The VOTE 2 when he couldn't even use sage mode during the near end of the fight since he was extremely exhausted.
 

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That word seems to be used for almost anyone these days...3T sasuke (hebi ) would wreck pre sm naruto. And he also pushed deidara to committing suicide and I wouldn't put him on mid kage level. The only reason gaara lost to deidara was because they had that fight in his village. He had to protect them and fight the enemy at the same time...kakashi and naruto combined had a tough time. And you may say gaara's abilities were the perfect match for deidara's, but sasuke's aren't. He's just like kakashi who get accustomed to any kind of opponent he encounters. Pre sm naruto would get wrecked by every historical kage. Some previous kages may seem dumb and stupid but there's a reason why they are kages. It takes a lot to run a village
 

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Battle wise, he was low Jōnin. And whilst his skills had greatly improved, his DB score was only 26 so his skills weren't that refined then.
 

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No freakin way. He'd get stomped by just about any kage back then.

He was high chunin at best, his rasenshuriken was useless because he wasn't allowed to use it. And his intelligence was still that of a child, he still didn't know a lot.

If he could perfectly utilise the nine tails chakra to at least the first tail without losing control. Then yeah he would have been jonin level for sure. But he couldn't even do that.
 
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What is Kage level? Ppl throw this term around as if naruto at that stage could beat any Kage ever. Besides the 4th kazekage, every Kage is a beast.

Op: I agree but only cuz naruto has kurama inside him.

A-Rank & S-Rank jutsu are used by Kages. Anyone capable of fighting an Akatsuki individually is S-Rank and potentially Kage level depending on their skill or intelligence

List of weakest Kage : Kakashi, Danzo, Orochimaru

List of avreage Kage : the 5 Kages, Kazekage, 3rd Raikage, Tobirama

List of special Kages : Gaara, Naruto, Hashirama, prime Hiruzen
 
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A-Rank & S-Rank jutsu are used by Kages. Anyone capable of fighting an Akatsuki individually is S-Rank and potentially Kage level depending on their skill or intelligence

List of weakest Kage : Kakashi, Danzo, Orochimaru

List of avreage Kage : the 5 Kages, Kazekage, 3rd Raikage, Tobirama

List of special Kages : Gaara, Naruto, Hashirama, prime Hiruzen

Kakashi is stronger than all current shippuden Kages. His record shows it, gaara, mei and tsunade couldn't handle fighting a akatsuki one on one and the war proved kakashi is alot better than the 5 Kages. Also Danzo and orchimaru are mid.level. The current Kages are low tier and gaara is weak he would get wretched by so many miss nin
 

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Before pein arc, he still had shadow clones, rangesan and stamina which made him a difficult opponent. the kazekage lost to a new recuirt akatsuki member whilst naruto and kakashi had no difficult against him. Naruto ability to be able to fight for extend time periods and take lots of damage makes him stronger than gaara, mei, old Kage guy, and tsunade. He might find the raikage hard to beat but could still win. also those are op techniques that naruto has its just over exposure why you think those moves aren't special or formidable against high class ninjas. When naruto got sage mode that put him mid tier Kage with the likes of mu, jiraya 3rd raikage, ms sasuke and hanzo. Who naruto could probably beat all of them as well with sm though. if naruto was guarding the Kage summit sasuke wouldn't have been able to cause as much trouble and disgrace Kages like mei who was beaten low diff against sasuke who already fought 2 Kages before. Naruto without sage is still more powerful that current time Kages with sm puts him with the strongest Kages in other villages and he still could probably beat them

Pre SM Naruto was NOT Kage level. He had the potential to rank among the Kages, but he needed to polish his skills and learn further techniques to expand his arsenal of jutsus to come to that level, like Minato did by learning seals and S rank techniques, FTG (Non SM Minato was Kage level). Being an Uzumaki, he had the best innate potential among all shinobis to compete with the Kages (if Uchihas are excluded). But the way he was at that time, that absolutely wasn't Kage level. He couldn't even use Rasenshuriken without destructing his arm, or Rasengan without a clone.

Diedara defeated the Kazekage, and could've given Naruto and Kakashi a really tough time if he actually went for it. Diedara was doing absolutely nothing against Kakashi and Naruto, yet they didn't accomplish anything. And Diedara also said that Kakashi was the real problem, Naruto wasn't even worth it.

Pre SM Naruto does not stand a chance against the Raikage. Even 3T Sasuke who's clearly stronger than Pre SM Naruto would've died against Raikage without MS powers.

If Pre SM Naruto was guarding the Kage Summit, he'd get wrecked. The Raikage who's way stronger had a tough time beating Sasuke.

Also MS Sasuke (maxed out) > SM Naruto. Naruto can do absolutely nothing against the offense and defense of Susanoo. He cannot dodge the Susanoo arrow which is fast and powerful, while Susanoo could tank Rasenshuriken (because it can tank Kirin which is stronger). And no way Naruto can evade or tank Kirin, it would incinerate Naruto. He can evade Amaterasu, but if he gets hit by chance, he's done for it. If Sasuke puts Amaterasu shield, Naruto cannot touch Sasuke.
 

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No freakin way. He'd get stomped by just about any kage back then.

He was high chunin at best, his rasenshuriken was useless because he wasn't allowed to use it. And his intelligence was still that of a child, he still didn't know a lot.

If he could perfectly utilise the nine tails chakra to at least the first tail without losing control. Then yeah he would have been jonin level for sure. But he couldn't even do that.

How would naruto get stomped by mei and naruto taijustu is better than tsunade so he won't get hit
 
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A-Rank & S-Rank jutsu are used by Kages. Anyone capable of fighting an Akatsuki individually is S-Rank and potentially Kage level depending on their skill or intelligence

List of weakest Kage : Kakashi, Danzo, Orochimaru

List of avreage Kage : the 5 Kages, Kazekage, 3rd Raikage, Tobirama

List of special Kages : Gaara, Naruto, Hashirama, prime Hiruzen

Gaara?? Are you kidding me, he is weak as hell. He is a low tier Kage
 

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Intelligence > Power. He was no where near Kage level mentally, but then again look at Ayy.. Smh.
Mei was the one who said give up against madara and leave the nine and eight tails to fight both madara (which at the time was assumed to be letting them get captured because nobody knew how powerful naruto and killer bee were)
Also mei lost against a weakened sasuke.
 

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Nah Naruto upon getting FRS was Special Jonin level imo.
(Pain Arc) SM Naruto is mid kage level
 
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