Naruto before he got sm mode was Kage level

[The Demon Hawk]

Before pein arc, he still had shadow clones, rangesan and stamina which made him a difficult opponent. the kazekage lost to a new recuirt akatsuki member whilst naruto and kakashi had no difficult against him. Naruto ability to be able to fight for extend time periods and take lots of damage makes him stronger than gaara, mei, old Kage guy, and tsunade. He might find the raikage hard to beat but could still win. also those are op techniques that naruto has its just over exposure why you think those moves aren't special or formidable against high class ninjas. When naruto got sage mode that put him mid tier Kage with the likes of mu, jiraya 3rd raikage, ms sasuke and hanzo. Who naruto could probably beat all of them as well with sm though. if naruto was guarding the Kage summit sasuke wouldn't have been able to cause as much trouble and disgrace Kages like mei who was beaten low diff against sasuke who already fought 2 Kages before. Naruto without sage is still more powerful that current time Kages with sm puts him with the strongest Kages in other villages and he still could probably beat them

Pre SM Naruto was NOT Kage level. He had the potential to rank among the Kages, but he needed to polish his skills and learn further techniques and expand his arsenal of jutsus to come to that level, like Minato did by learning Uzumaki seals and S rank techniques, FTG (Non SM Minato was already Kage level). Being an Uzumaki, he had the best innate potential among all shinobis to compete with the Kages (if Uchihas are excluded). But the way he was at that time, that absolutely wasn't Kage level. He couldn't even use Rasenshuriken without destructing his arm, or Rasengan without a clone.

Diedara was doing absolutely nothing against Kakashi and Naruto, and if it weren't for Kakashi's MS (Uchiha powers), they could have done absolutely nothing to Deidara despite him not even trying. And even after that, Diedara said that Kakashi was the real problem, Naruto wasn't worth it.

Pre SM Naruto does not stand a chance against the Raikage. Even 3T Sasuke who's clearly stronger than Pre SM Naruto would've died against Raikage without MS powers.

If Pre SM Naruto was guarding the Kage Summit, he'd get wrecked. The Raikage who's way stronger had a tough time beating Sasuke.

Also MS Sasuke (maxed out) > SM Naruto. Naruto can do absolutely nothing against the offense and defense of Susanoo. He can barely dodge the Susanoo arrow which is fast and powerful, while Susanoo could tank Naruto's most powerful attack, Rasenshuriken (because it can tank Kirin which is stronger). And no way Naruto can dodge or tank Sasuke's strongest attack, Kirin which would incinerate Naruto. He can evade Amaterasu, but if he gets hit by chance, he's done for it. If Sasuke puts Amaterasu shield, Naruto cannot touch Sasuke.

 

[DrProof]

Gaara?? Are you kidding me, he is weak as hell. He is a low tier Kage

Wrong. Very wrong. He's the strongest out of the Gokage being on par with Ohnoki.

Mei was the one who said give up against madara and leave the nine and eight tails to fight both madara (which at the time was assumed to be letting them get captured because nobody knew how powerful naruto and killer bee were)
Also mei lost against a weakened sasuke.

Never said Mei didn't have terrible mentality as well.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Yea. Mei doesn't seem to smart battle wise either.

She sealed Sasuke inside a room to use the full potential of her Steam Release.
She is smart.

 

[KingHashirama]

Nope, would've been mercked any one of the Gokage.

 

[Grades N Grabba]

Before pein arc, he had shadow clones, rangesan and stamina which made him a difficult opponent.

Wrong, he's not when compared to these people.

the kazekage lost to a new recuirt akatsuki member.

Deidara been with Akatsuki from a young age.

whilst naruto and kakashi had no difficult against him.

Kakashi using Kamui and Naruto Kyuubi power with chakra cloak is serious stuff.

Naruto ability to be able to fight for extend time periods and take lots of damage makes him stronger than gaara, mei, old Kage guy, and tsunade.

Deidara C4 would 1 shot Naruto, there's no need for the Kages.

He might find the raikage hard to beat but could still win.

V1 / V2 Raikage 1 shots Naruto.

also those are op techniques that naruto has its just over exposure why you think those moves aren't special or formidable against high class ninjas.

Naruto clones at that time was weak,

Rasengan is inferior to Onoki Jinton, Mei Yoton and Solid Fog/Mist, Tsunade Yin Seal, Raikage lightning and Gaara sand.

SM Naruto would be a better choice.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Also MS Sasuke (maxed out) > SM Naruto. Naruto can do absolutely nothing against the offense and defense of Susanoo. He can barely dodge the Susanoo arrow which is fast and powerful, while Susanoo could tank Naruto's most powerful attack, Rasenshuriken (because it can tank Kirin which is stronger). And no way Naruto can dodge or tank Sasuke's strongest attack, Kirin which would incinerate Naruto. He can evade Amaterasu, but if he gets hit by chance, he's done for it. If Sasuke puts Amaterasu shield, Naruto cannot touch Sasuke.

This wank. You want to know how Pain Arc SM Naruto deals with Susanoo? Here you go [

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& Bold Susanoo couldn't tank Kirin. It was completely obliterated by it & Itachi had to build it again.

If Senpo FRS so much as touches V3 it gets rekt considering

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Your "Amaterasu shield" gets blown away by

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[BenjerminGaye]

Name a Kage he would beat. I'll wait.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Name a Kage he would beat. I'll wait.

Base Naruto Vs Part 1 Hiruzen maybe?
NVM. Only War Arc Base Naruto could do that imo

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

I read the title and was like wtf. Read the thread and was like mmm fair enough. Then I remember'd he has Kurama and he can go up to 8 tails before Minato saves him. So yeahhhh.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Base Naruto Vs Part 1 Hiruzen maybe?
NVM. Only War Arc Base Naruto could do that imo

No. Old Hiruzen has super shadow clones, and unlike himself enma is still in peak condition. Then there's his ninjutsu prowess. Clever use of exploding tags etc.
Naruto gets massacred.

 

[Chaosmark101]

No. Old Hiruzen has super shadow clones, and unlike himself enma is still in peak condition. Then there's his ninjutsu prowess. Clever use of exploding tags etc.
Naruto gets massacred.

Super shadow clones still get

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Still need to think of how he counters Enma (Staff form)

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Wrong. Very wrong. He's the strongest out of the Gokage being on par with Ohnoki.


Never said Mei didn't have terrible mentality as well.

Not a chance Ohnoki is by far the strongest of all of the Gokage, Gaara is one of the weakest

 

[Chaosmark101]

Not a chance Ohnoki is by far the strongest of all of the Gokage, Gaara is one of the weakest

Jinton 1 shots

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Jinton 1 shots

Exactly

 

[SenseiSama]

Kakashi is stronger than all current shippuden Kages. His record shows it, gaara, mei and tsunade couldn't handle fighting a akatsuki one on one and the war proved kakashi is alot better than the 5 Kages. Also Danzo and orchimaru are mid.level. The current Kages are low tier and gaara is weak he would get wretched by so many miss nin

Kakashi didn't have a Sharingan when he was Kage.. And Gaara isn't weak, he kept Shikaku's abilities and Sand happens to be one of the best defences against Amaterasu. After Sasuke and Naruto he has the best absolute defence.

Danzo gets rekt by a Naruto clone mid diff. Orochimaru was weak in part 1, but then again he never stops gaining knowledge so he would probably be capable of fighting BSM Naruto since he has a Zetsu body.

 

[animals74]

naru cant even use his shuriken, all hes got is clones and rasengan

 

[Orenji Uzumaki]

Pre SM Naruto was ass. High chunin maybe. After Sage Mode.Training he became more.refined even without SM, so I'd say he was about low.mage tier at that point. After KM and within the war he was progressing at a fast rate simply by fighting . So I'd say war arc he reached high kage in terms of power ...

 

[Excite]

Before pein arc, he still had shadow clones, rangesan and stamina which made him a difficult opponent. the kazekage lost to a new recuirt akatsuki member whilst naruto and kakashi had no difficult against him. Naruto ability to be able to fight for extend time periods and take lots of damage makes him stronger than gaara, mei, old Kage guy, and tsunade. He might find the raikage hard to beat but could still win. also those are op techniques that naruto has its just over exposure why you think those moves aren't special or formidable against high class ninjas. When naruto got sage mode that put him mid tier Kage with the likes of mu, jiraya 3rd raikage, ms sasuke and hanzo. Who naruto could probably beat all of them as well with sm though. if naruto was guarding the Kage summit sasuke wouldn't have been able to cause as much trouble and disgrace Kages like mei who was beaten low diff against sasuke who already fought 2 Kages before. Naruto without sage is still more powerful that current time Kages with sm puts him with the strongest Kages in other villages and he still could probably beat them

No problem against Deidara? Deidara fought the Kazekage lost a arm stay up 3 days sealing a bijuu and was ganged up on by Naruto, Mangekyou Kakashi ,Plus team guy if it wasn't for Kakashi they would have been most likely dead from a Shadow Clone of Deidara

 

[kaithefly]

hmmm, i think sasuke was kage level pre pain arc but i don't think naruto was until he got sage mode

 

[The Demon Hawk]

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LOL. Those toads take a shit load of time to prepare and launch the sound genjutsu. The circumstances aren't always going to be so friendly to launch that genjutsu whenever they desire. Sasuke wrecks them before they could do anything. Maybe burn them by Amaterasu while they're busy focusing on the genjutsu, how's that? Genjutsu soloed and toads RIP.

And since Sasuke doesn't get paralyzed by that stupid genjutsu, he can easily use Susanoo to tank Rasenshuriken.

As a bonus to your argument (on top of everything I mentioned in my previous post), Sasuke will use MS Genjutsu against SM Naruto, and Naruto is pretty much f***ed up... He doesn't have Kurama to pull him out of it. And he can't negate it on his own. Please do inform me if SM Naruto has any way of escaping Sasuke's genjutsu once fallen victim (yes, he can fight without making eye contact for the most part due to SM sensing, but he can't completely avoid it, because he can't pull out an entire fight without a single eye contact. He WILL definitely make atleast one eye contact even if it's unintended).

& Bold Susanoo couldn't tank Kirin. It was completely obliterated by it & Itachi had to build it again.

Logically assuming, that wasn't the full armored Susanoo. It must've been a skeletal version, or if I'm generous in assumption, the humanoid form, but no way the completed armored version, since Itachi can't create a full Susanoo in 1/1000th of a second, logically. And Itachi wasn't harmed a bit, although the Susanoo was completely obliterated. If it was the full armored Susanoo, it'd have tanked Kirin, albeit with significant damage. Rasenshuriken (weaker than Kirin) could only destroy the armor to the max. No big deal tanking it... But since I'm very generous in assumption, I'll consider that Rasenshuriken destroys most of the Susanoo down to the skeleton (which it can't but I'm just assuming it does). Even then, Sasuke will recreate the Susanoo after effectively negating it.

If Senpo FRS so much as touches V3 it gets rekt considering

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You have very limited observation skills. Danzo's Fuuton wasn't the only thing that ripped the Susanoo open. In fact, it couldn't have done shit to the Susanoo if used solely. Danzo's Fuuton was aided and its effect was increased by the Baku's incredible suction power. Baku's powerful suction and Danzo's Fuuton combined were able to SLIGHTLY rip open the Susanoo. And there combined attacks were only able to slightly rip the Susanoo open because Sasuke was incredibly weakened and was struggling to maintain control of his MS due to which Susanoo couldn't be effectively maintained. If Sasuke wasn't that weakened and had perfect control over his MS, even there combined attacks would have no effect. Not to mention this isn't even the full armored Susanoo we're talking about.

Your "Amaterasu shield" gets blown away by

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Nice try, but this is general taijutsu and minor attacks I'm talking about, there is always the Susanoo for bigger and more powerful attacks.