Manga Factual claim: Naruto didn't learn any new jutsu on his own!
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Of course, there's the fact that chakra arms without a mode haven't happened yet, and it's not like there can't be a jutsu for air claws in existence, and it doesn't even match what chakra arms look like, as there's no markings, and they don't look flame-like.
Oh, and this is a bashing thread regardless of your disclaimer.*_*
Oh, and this is a bashing thread regardless of your disclaimer.*_*
Bro that looks exactly like chakra arms. U_U. Air claw a new jutsu from naruto? with no hand seals, fuuton indications for the main character...I don't buy it. It's not a bash thread only clarifying his abilities.
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I hate to break it to you, but the only ones that cares about Naruto using Kurama are Sasuke fanboys given that they bring this up any time Naruto does anything. It's born from an obsessive need for there to be a category of "fair" and "unfair" powers to make Sasuke look better to compensate for the fact Sasuke will only, at best, equal Naruto. Most of use actually couldn't care less if it's Kurama's chakra or not. We just observe things that make us think otherwise, and we're not going to turn our brains off since there's a lot of people with a separate take.
That's not true lol, but I do think credit should be given where its due. Kurama and Naruto are partners, so they have to fight together. Besides Sasuke has beaten Naruto plenty of times,so don't be so dense about the subject. If you read my OP you can see where I'm coming from with this.
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No it doesn't. Let me show an actual comparison.
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Chakra arms have several characteristics. A. They look like boiling acid. B. They look like flames. C. They look solid. D. They have markings on them.
The paw in this chapter had none of these characteristics. Whereas chakra arms have a solid appearance, this one was blurred, which implies a wind element to this paw. There are 2 main supporting evidences for this being a jutsu.
A. Never, in the entire manga, has their been a chakra arm without Kurama's chakra, or a different mode, and Naruto even switches modes in Gaiden when using the charka arms we're familiar with. In this scenario with the wind paw, he does not. He remains in base, no Kuarma eyes, no evidence of Kurama's influence other than "he used a paw" which is not a legitimate argument.
B. It looks different from all chakra arms previously. No flames, no acid, not solid appearance, nothing.
FTG- and S-ranked jutsu requires no hand seals. Temari also doesn't use seals for her wind jutsus. This point is irrelevant.
When it's said and done, no one knows. Anybody claiming their opinion is "fact" is someone that isn't thinking about the difference between strong opinions and facts. However, I feel that there's easily enough evidence to indicate that our view may indeed be correct.
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This looks exactly like what you posted. Only difference was that it was in motion and only appeared for a brief moment because he was in Base form. FTG and S rank jutsu are in a class of its own. U_U. This isn't an unknown jutsu it's kuramas claw that's why it neither has a name or an element.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh..............lie. I know exactly where you're coming from Dantee. I've seen the BS over and over too much to not. What this thread is going at is "hur dur Naruto is incapable of doing anything himself," which is monumentally absurd. People have said everything from "Naruto would be a fodder-tier" to "Kurama is why Naruto has FRS" and "Kurama is why Naruto has SM."
No it doesn't. The only similarity is that they're both paws. The paw in chapter 5 has no definite outlines and looks like wind and have no flame, whereas the ones I posted look solid motion or not while having flames.
Agreed. People act like Naruto can't use Bijuu limbs just like Bee who has used Haichi's arm or tentacle while still in base. Naruto wasn't a perfect Jin until after Kurama friended him and their link became perfect and even then Naruto had no training to use Kurama plus why would he power down just to use part of Kurama during the war? We usually see the name of new jutsus as well so highly doubt it is a new jutsu.
Naruto used Kurama's claw to block the weapons, Shin's dad used the MS to manipulate the weapons to attack Naruto again, then Naruto goes BM to block the attacks and prevent Shin or his dad from trying that again. Not that hard to understand.
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Even if it is kuramas claw, you've never seen him do that before ergo a new tech. Seems no different than Gaaras ultimate sand or Sasuke using susano. Those are considered abilities/tech and require no hand signs.
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Hahahaha you guys are so sad. If it was sasuke using susanoo you say how great it is but if its naruto and he uses fox cloak he sucks hahahahaha. Your right haven't seen anything new in the manga for ether of them jutsu wise. In the movie tho he had new jutsu gold and able to cut through multiple enemy's.
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