Manga Factual claim: Naruto didn't learn any new jutsu on his own!

[shadowcb]

Pathetic attempt

There have been several times throughout the manga where a character uses a jutsu that wasn't named. When Naruto learned chakra transfer jutsu he didn't name that jutsu. Kishi has never named the jutsu Naruto and Asuma use to had wind to the chakra blades. Even in The Last Naruto used a new rasengan at the end and it wasn't named.

You claim that's not a new jutsu because Naruto didn't use handseals, but Naruto uses very little handseals. Most of his jutsu don't require handseals. Naruto is capable of shaping wind at the high level of shape manipulation and shaping chakra into the shape of a claw without requiring handseals. So there is no reason to believe Naruto would require handseals to shape wind into the shape of a claw based off his skills.

Whenever we have seen Naruto use the 9 tail or other tail beast powers/chakra the manga has always made it clear he was using those powers. We would either see Naruto interact/communicate with the tail beast or we see a change to his body(9 tails eyes, bigger whiskers, chakra cloak/mode or even partail chakra mode/cloak). That didn't occur here which proves he wasn't using the tail beast powers/chakra.

Even when base mode Naruto uses tail beast power/chakra to perform jutsu we still see him interacting with the tail beast. That didn't occur here.
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You have no facts supporting your claim that Naruto was using the 9 tail power/chakra. After Naruto used his wind claw he then uses chakra mode. The first time we saw Naruto use the 9 tail power/chakra in the gaiden he interacted with the 9 tails, there was change to his body (eyes, whiskers) and he was in chakra cloak/mode.

 

[Dantee]

Pathetic attempt

Yet most people agree who are known not to be bias. well okay lets continue.
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There have been several times throughout the manga where a character uses a jutsu that wasn't named. When Naruto learned chakra transfer jutsu he didn't name that jutsu. Kishi has never named the jutsu Naruto and Asuma use to had wind to the chakra blades. Even in The Last Naruto used a new rasengan at the end and it wasn't named.

Wrong Asumas techinques were well explained beforehand. Chakra transfer is not a jutsu it's actually ninshuu but for the most part it's not a jutsu at all. Even so you're only furthering my point because Kuramas technique are usually the ones not to be named because they are obvious.

You claim that's not a new jutsu because Naruto didn't use handseals, but Naruto uses very little handseals. Most of his jutsu don't require handseals. Naruto is capable of shaping wind at the high level of shape manipulation and shaping chakra into the shape of a claw without requiring handseals. So there is no reason to believe Naruto would require handseals to shape wind into the shape of a claw based off his skills.

most of his justsu either derive from kurama, rasengan and shadow clone jutsu. So no wonder he never uses handseals. If he used any handseals for this new tech it would have shown. Even fuuton require handseals and the word futton is usually printed on the page associated with the technique.
Whenever we have seen Naruto use the 9 tail or other tail beast powers/chakra the manga has always made it clear he was using those powers. We would either see Naruto interact/communicate with the tail beast or we see a change to his body(9 tails eyes, bigger whiskers, chakra cloak/mode or even partail chakra mode/cloak). That didn't occur here which proves he wasn't using the tail beast powers/chakra.

Even when base mode Naruto uses tail beast power/chakra to perform jutsu we still see him interacting with the tail beast. That didn't occur here.
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This is really only circumstantial evidence. There has been plenty of times where NAruto has used bijuu chakra without kurama appearing on the same page. If you want to be persistent I will glady give you some scans even though they shouldn't be that hard to find in the manga. We can clearly see Kuramas paw coming from his jutsu which I showed in the OP. In the last he channeled Kuramas chakra into his fist so your retort falls apart because Kuramas has used kuramas chakra whiling maintaining his base appearance.

You have not facts supporting your claim that Naruto was using the 9 tail power/chakra. After Naruto used his wind claw he then uses chakra mode. The first time we saw Naruto use the 9 tail power/chakra in the gaiden he interacted with the 9 tails, there was change to his body (eyes, whiskers) and he was ih chakra cloak/mode.

If it was "wind claw" the name of the jutsu would appear on the manga panel. Especially one that is focused on the main character. It was obviously kuramas paw appearing on that page. It's too much of a coincidence that naruto uses a wind jutsu that looks exactly like kuramas paw. Look at both sides of evidence you have way less to support your claim than I do.

 

[To Whatever]

You guys got to admit Dantee and KG have a point.

Only thing keeping them from being 100% correct is the fact that he isn't in KCM/BM.

But I guess PT is possible, kind of weird though. If he does have 100% Kurama, it should be an actual claw/paw and not chakra.

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[shadowcb]

Yet most people agree who are known not to be bias. well okay lets continue.
:bdpf:

Wrong Asumas techinques were well explained beforehand. Chakra transfer is not a jutsu it's actually ninshuu but for the most part it's not a jutsu at all. Even so you're only furthering my point because Kuramas technique are usually the ones not to be named because they are obvious.




This is really only circumstantial evidence. There has been plenty of times where NAruto has used bijuu chakra without kurama appearing on the same page. If you want to be persistent I will glady give you some scans even though they shouldn't be that hard to find in the manga. We can clearly see Kuramas paw coming from his jutsu which I showed in the OP. In the last he channeled Kuramas chakra into his fist so your retort falls apart because Kuramas has used kuramas chakra whiling maintaining his base appearance.


If it was "wind claw" the name of the jutsu would appear on the manga panel. Especially one that is focused on the main character. It was obviously kuramas paw appearing on that page. It's too much of a coincidence that naruto uses a wind jutsu that looks exactly like kuramas paw. Look at both sides of evidence you have way less to support your claim than I do.

Wrong.

A jutsu is anytime a person uses an ability in a specific way. Being able to manipulate your chakra to wind is an ability. Using it to attack a target is when it becomes a jutsu.

When Sasuke adds lightning to his swords that's a jutsu. That's no difference bewteen then what Naruto and Asuma did, yet their jutsu wasn't given a name. In "The Last Naruto the movie" Naruto used a new rasengan at the very end. The one he used when him and Hinata was heading back to earth and it wasn't given a name. Yes, a rasegan wasn't given a name. Naruto is know for naming all his rasengan. That proves Kishi doesn't name every single jutsu. Kishi helped create the movie.

Naruto was the one transfering chakra to everyone not the 9 tail, yet that jutsu was given a name. Kurama only transferred chakra to Kakashi. Stopping trying to give Naruto's credit to the Kurama. I know you like doing that.

Read my whole post again. I said "Whenever we have seen Naruto use the 9 tail or other tail beast powers/chakra the manga has always made it clear he was using those powers. This includes base mode. We would either see Naruto interact/communicate with the tail beast or we see a change to his body(9 tails eyes, bigger whiskers, chakra cloak/mode or even partail chakra mode/cloak). That didn't occur here which proves he wasn't using the tail beast powers/chakra."

Being the shape of a claw doesn't prove he was using the chakra claw. Naruto has several different jutsu that have the same shape. EI: FRS, LRS. Killer Bee told us the rasengan and TBB are the same jutsu. They both have the same shape. One is the human version and the other is the tail beats version. This proves Kishi is willy to give Naruto a human and tail beast version of the same jutsu. That's what he did here.

 

[Dantee]

Wrong.

A jutsu is anytime a person uses an ability in a specific way. Being able to manipulate your chakra to wind is an ability. Using it to attack a target is when it becomes a jutsu.

So you're saying naruto is manipulating the wind with his hand to make a claw appear? Do you realize how presumptuous that sounds. "Naruto used the kyuubis paw" and well at least this makes sense.

When Sasuke adds lightning to his swords that's a jutsu. That's no difference bewteen then what Naruto and Asuma did, yet their jutsu wasn't given a name. In "The Last Naruto the movie" Naruto used a new rasengan at the very end. The one he used when him and Hinata was heading back to earth and it wasn't given a name. Yes, a rasegan wasn't given a name. Naruto is know for naming all his rasengan. That proves Kishi doesn't name every single jutsu. Kishi helped create the movie.

So there is no difference between Asumas chakra blades and Naruto using Kuramas paw or whatever you're calling it? There is a clear difference because they are two different techniques using two different methods. In regards to the last that was a regular rasengan. :| I agree Kishi doesn't name every single jutsu but for a new technique he would.

Naruto was the one transfering chakra to everyone not the 9 tail, yet that jutsu was given a name. Kurama only transferred chakra to Kakashi. Stopping trying to give Naruto's credit to the Kurama. I know you like doing that.

The jutsu was given a name cannocally in the manga? I don't think so but we can only assume it was ninshuu. Anyways "Naruto transferred Kuramas chakra throught the alliance" sorry it I didn't give him any credit. I'm more focused on what we're talking about.

Read my whole post again. I said "Whenever we have seen Naruto use the 9 tail or other tail beast powers/chakra the manga has always made it clear he was using those powers. This includes base mode. We would either see Naruto interact/communicate with the tail beast or we see a change to his body(9 tails eyes, bigger whiskers, chakra cloak/mode or even partail chakra mode/cloak). That didn't occur here which proves he wasn't using the tail beast powers/chakra."

@bold is completely wrong. Naruto has used Bijuu Mode and Kuramas techniques without Kishi showing that he's consulting Kurama for them. I said this in my previous post that I can gather the scans for you.

Being the shape of a claw doesn't prove he was using the chakra claw. Naruto has several different jutsu that have the same shape. EI: FRS, LFR. Killer Bee told us the rasengan and TBB are the same jutsu. They both have the same shape. One is the human version and the other is the tail beats version. This proves Kishi is willy to give Naruto a human and tail beast version of the same jutsu. That's what he did here.

@bold What a convenient premise you have here. What will you say next because its shaped like a rasengan doesn't mean it was one? To wrap this up all evidence points it toward it just being a Kuramas claw. What do you have to disprove the fact Naruto is not able to summon Kuramas claw? You have nothing to back your claim besides a presumption that derives from Naruto having wind styled chakra.

 

[shadowcb]

So you're saying naruto is manipulating the wind with his hand to make a claw appear? Do you realize how presumptuous that sounds. "Naruto used the kyuubis paw" and well at least this makes sense.


So there is no difference between Asumas chakra blades and Naruto using Kuramas paw or whatever you're calling it? There is a clear difference because they are two different techniques using two different methods. In regards to the last that was a regular rasengan. :| I agree Kishi doesn't name every single jutsu but for a new technique he would.



The jutsu was given a name cannocally in the manga? I don't think so but we can only assume it was ninshuu. Anyways "Naruto transferred Kuramas chakra throught the alliance" sorry it I didn't give him any credit. I'm more focused on what we're talking about.

@bold is completely wrong. Naruto has used Bijuu Mode and Kuramas techniques without Kishi showing that he's consulting Kurama for them. I said this in my previous post that I can gather the scans for you.




@bold What a convenient premise you have here. What will you say next because its shaped like a rasengan doesn't mean it was one? To wrap this up all evidence points it toward it just being a Kuramas claw. What do you have to disprove the fact Naruto is not able to summon Kuramas claw? You have nothing to back your claim besides a presumption that derives from Naruto having wind styled chakra.

It's not presumptuous when Naruto has the skills to perform a wind claw and their is alot of evidence supporting he wasn't using the 9 tails chakra.

I was comparing Naruto and Asuama adding wind to the chakra blade to Sasuke adding lightning to his sword. Sasuke jutsu was given an official name. Yet, Naruto and Asuams jutsu wasn't. Even when Shikamaru add shadow chakra to the chakra blades it received a name. In the last that was a new jutsu. We have never seen Naruto shoot the rasengan out like a blast of energy, similar to how the beast ball can be shot out in a wave form. When Sasuke extended the length of his chidori it received an official name. That proves Kishi doesn't name all of the jutsu character perform in the manga.

I said "Whenever we have seen Naruto use the 9 tail or other tail beast powers/chakra the manga has always made it clear he was using those powers. We would either see Naruto interact/communicate with the tail beast or we see a change to his body(9 tails eyes, bigger whiskers, chakra cloak/mode or even partail chakra mode/cloak). That didn't occur here which proves he wasn't using the tail beast powers/chakra." I see what you are doing. You are only responding to part of my post because you can't prove me wrong.

Being the shape of claw doesn't prove it's a 9 tails chakra claw. That would be like saying all rasengans are the same because they have the same shape. I have called you out on that BS before. Like the time he tried to say a pure chakra rasengan was the same as a magnet rasengan.

I have provided facts to support my claim. You haven't. He are just making assumptions and ignoring my facts.

 

[Dantee]

It's not presumptuous when Naruto has the skills to perform a wind claw and their is alot of evidence supporting he wasn't using the 9 tails chakra.

The only "semi-legit" evidence that isn't presumptuous is the fact Naruto didn't go BSM. However this claim is completely debunked from the last where he used Kuramas chakra while retaining base form. Calling it a wind claw doesn't mean he used fuuton when evidence points toward it being kuramas paw. Hell it even looks like kuramas paw.

I was comparing Naruto and Asuama adding wind to the chakra blade to Sasuke adding lightning to his sword. Sasuke jutsu was given an official name. Yet, Naruto and Asuams jutsu wasn't. Even when Shikamaru add shadow chakra to the chakra blades it received a name. In the last that was a new jutsu. We have never seen Naruto shoot the rasengan out like a blast of energy, similar to how the beast ball can be shot out in a wave form. When Sasuke extended the length of his chidori it received an official name. That proves Kishi doesn't name all of the jutsu character perform in the manga.

All these jutsu were given names. The only jutsu that doesn't seem to have a name is "Narutos wind claw" even though he is the main character right? Please just stop we all know it's a form of rasengan just like this was Kuramas paw. There is no need to give a name to something that isn't new.

I said "Whenever we have seen Naruto use the 9 tail or other tail beast powers/chakra the manga has always made it clear he was using those powers. We would either see Naruto interact/communicate with the tail beast or we see a change to his body(9 tails eyes, bigger whiskers, chakra cloak/mode or even partail chakra mode/cloak). That didn't occur here which proves he wasn't using the tail beast powers/chakra." I see what you are doing. You are only responding to part of my post because you can't prove me wrong.

"sigh" I already told you I would post the scans if you want. However even in that chapter when Naruto obviously used Kuramas power or powered up to BSM he didn't call out his name nor did a panel come up with Kurama. There other times where this has happened as well but the point you're aren't getting is that we can practically assume that Kurama and NAruto are cooperating when using these jutsu. Even if Kurama is not on the manga panel he is still cooperating with Kurama to use his jutsu.

Being the shape of claw doesn't prove it's a 9 tails chakra claw. That would be like saying all rasengans are the same because they have the same shape. I have called you out on that BS before. Like the time he tried to say a pure chakra rasengan was the same as a magnet rasengan.

Yeah sure : Lets just call it one of Narutos new jutsu that he usually learns on his own right? :lmao How about this instead lets use a bit of logic and deduce that it was Kuramas paw. After all Kurama and naruto are fully cooperating now.

I have provided facts to support my claim. You haven't. He are just making assumptions and ignoring my facts.

All I've seen you gather is presumptions that have nothing to do with Naruto himself. When was the last time Naruto used a jutsu that wasn't bijuu related, shadow clone or rasengan. You are simply overlooking the fact Naruto is a jin so he'll use his jin abilities like Bee. Not to mention you are completely overlooking the what he did in the last to cover your argument. You can't even properly explain why this looks exactly like a claw without making something up.

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[Aznkidd]

By your pathetic logic mean all those use jutsu without anything = tailed beast chakra ?

 

[Dantee]

By your pathetic logic mean all those use jutsu without anything = tailed beast chakra ?

Which jutsus were that sir? Especially ones we've never seen. It was obviously Kuramas paw. Pathetic retort try again.

 

[ROHAN]

The shape is clearly that of Nine tails claw so his chakra was used. U_U

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Shadow Clone Jutsu say's Hello Dantee the one who doesn't even Manga.

 

[Dantee]

The shape is clearly that of Nine tails claw so his chakra was used. U_U

Exactly U_U.

Shadow Clone Jutsu say's Hello Dantee the one who doesn't even Manga.

Did he really learn that on his own?
Fail U_U.

 

[Amaterasu]

Still people saying it's not Kurama made claw ?

There are still people around who thinks Kurama can't use his chakra independantly ? Lol. We know that since Part 1 Lol
Naruto and Kuraam are cooperating, we can clearly see it's a Kurama Avatar claw.

Delusional fanboys.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Exactly U_U.

Did he really learn that on his own?
Fail U_U.

Do you understand the concept of learning? When you read something understand it and are able to execute it. That's the very definition of it essentially. Dantee can't manga or english. okay

 

[Dantee]

Do you understand the concept of learning? When you read something understand it and are able to execute it. That's the very definition of it essentially. Dantee can't manga or english. okay

Is the OP complicated for you to understand? If you can't understand it then you have no chance of understanding the manga

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Is the OP complicated for you to understand? If you can't understand it then you have no chance of understanding the manga

Oh SO I'm the one who inferred the whole series as a whole by misleading with their title then proceed to talk about a single chapter. Right.

 

[Dantee]

Oh SO I'm the one who inferred the whole series as a whole by misleading with their title then proceed to talk about a single chapter. Right.

The title isn't misleading. Naruto didn't learn any new jutsu on his own is quite accurate. U_U

 

[UzumakiRyu]

The title isn't misleading. Naruto didn't learn any new jutsu on his own is quite accurate. U_U

It is and no matter what you say will never change that. Keep trying anyway because it obviously shows how your superiority complex is so apparent that you forgo both intelligence and common sense at the same time.

 

[Dantee]

It is and no matter what you say will never change that. Keep trying anyway because it obviously shows how your superiority complex is so apparent that you forgo both intelligence and common sense at the same time.

Manga Factual claim: Naruto didn't learn any new jutsu on his own!
Started by ' ~ Dantee ~ ', 05-28-2015 08:12 PM

The title above is flawless and is a fact backed by logic. There is no need for it to be changed nor is it misleading or even mildly misleading.
Btw
I don't feel I am superior to anyone :| so I find that little comment of yours repulsive.

 

[MickNerks]

The title isn't misleading. Naruto didn't learn any new jutsu on his own is quite accurate. U_U

I am hoping you are only talking about the claw that we have seen in recent manga, because to say naruto hasnt learned any new technique on his own would be false.

Naruto learned and Mastered Rasenshuriken and Sexy no Jutsu on his own