naruro >>>>> toneri

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

When the opponent is too strong, it would not be nerfed

Kurama was about to get killed and suffering a slow death. Kurama was not nerfed, he was just too weak compare to his opponent

There's a big difference between being weak and being nerfed, and I see people have a had time differentiating them

I'm not saying Toneri isn't strong, but he did not go up against a Naruto that was at his strongest. Naruto wouldn't even need Hamura's chakra because he had Hagaromo's it Plot didn't need him so much. Look at his fight with Kaguya. He held his own, but he went all out. You can't be suggesting Toneri >Kaguya.

Kurama was nerfed. If half Kurama is as strong as 5 full tail beast, full Kurama should have wrecked that statue with one blast. Kishi nerfed both characters hard in order to make Toneri more impressive.

I really don't see how you could come to any other conclusions

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

Because toneri has only 1 defeat. My tenseigan already predicted many here will post that one part for me

But it was the one defeat that mattered more than his victory.

He lost his powers, eyes, and Hinata in that one solo punch. So all his victories ultimately means squat.

 

[Narutrol]

I'm not saying Toneri isn't strong, but he did not go up against a Naruto that was at his strongest. Naruto wouldn't even need Hamura's chakra because he had Hagaromo's it Plot didn't need him so much. Look at his fight with Kaguya. He held his own, but he went all out. You can't be suggesting Toneri >Kaguya.

Kurama was nerfed. If half Kurama is as strong as 5 full tail beast, full Kurama should have wrecked that statue with one blast. Kishi nerfed both characters hard in order to make Toneri more impressive.

I really don't see how you could come to any other conclusions

It was sasuke + naruto + kakashi + sakura + Obito vs kaguya.

When naruto faced toneri with only hinata, it was overwhelming for him. He gave his best apparently. The movie didn't say anything about hago chakra but ut stated he needed hamura/hinata power up, that already shows naruto alone or with kurama couldn't beat toneri

You saying kurama was nerfed because you believe the statue is as weak as 5 bijuus

Can't you just accept the reason the statue was going hulk Hogan on kurama the whole time is because kurama was just a little too weak?

It's clear that toneri is super super super strong.

1. Toneri one shotted naruto without Intel

2. Solo slash splitted the moon(while naruto's planet busting is nothing but hype and fabric)

Toneri just solo naruto in power and feats alone

You don't have to be stronger to win, believe it! :naruto:

 

[Narutrol]

But it was the one defeat that mattered more than his victory.

He lost his powers, eyes, and Hinata in that one solo punch. So all his victories ultimately means squat.

This is not the power of naruto

You are stating the power of kishimoto sensei's pen

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

It was sasuke + naruto + kakashi + sakura + Obito vs kaguya.

When naruto faced toneri with only hinata, it was overwhelming for him. He gave his best apparently. The movie didn't say anything about hago chakra but ut stated he needed hamura/hinata power up, that already shows naruto alone or with kurama couldn't beat toneri

You saying kurama was nerfed because you believe the statue is as weak as 5 bijuus

Can't you just accept the reason the statue was going hulk Hogan on kurama the whole time is because kurama was just a little too weak?

It's clear that toneri is super super super strong.

1. Toneri one shotted naruto without Intel

2. Solo slash splitted the moon(while naruto's planet busting is nothing but hype and fabric)

Toneri just solo naruto in power and feats alone

You don't have to be stronger to win, believe it! :naruto:

Naruto held his own against Kaguya majority of the fight. It took all of them to seal her, but doesn't change that he was on his own most of the fight.

Yes. I'm saying bijuus> gedo ripoff

1. Toneri one shot KCM Naruto. Naruto one shot super sayian Unicorn with one shot. Not even using his full capabilities.

2. Splitting moon power was neg by base Naruto with chakra arms. He literally ran through the same attack that cut the moon. In Base. That's not hype, that's movie fact.

Toneri only soloed cuz of plot. Naruto uses RSM, and Toneri gets wrecked when first shows up.

You're right strength ain't everything, but don't weaken a character just to make another more relevant

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

This is not the power of naruto

You are stating the power of kishimoto sensei's pen

Kishi pen gives Everyone power. Without it Sasuke would blind an probably dead, Sakura would have remained useless. So by your logic, it's not Sasuke Sakura Kakashi or anyone else's power either

 

[Narutrol]

Naruto held his own against Kaguya majority of the fight. It all of them to seal her, but doesn't change that he was on his own most of the fight.

Yes. I'm saying bijuus> gedo ripoff

1. Toneri one shot KCM Naruto. Naruto one shot super saying Unicorn with one shot. Not even using his full capabilities.

2. Splitting moon power was neg by base Naruto with chakra arms. He literally ran through the same attack that cut the moon. In Base. That's not hype, that's movie fact.

Toneri only soloed cuz of plot. Naruto uses RSM, and Toneri gets wrecked when first shows up.

You're right strength ain't everything, but don't need a character just to make another more relevant

1. Kcm, this implying the naruto had to use seal forcefully to retain kurama while using the limited chakra from kurama. The last naruto was buddy with 100% kurama, that is no kcm. Kurama was getting beat up like a little girl and almost got killed if kishimoto sensei's pen didn't come in time. There was no reason for naruto to hold back

2. That was not base naruto. That was full power naruto. The base naruto that you referring to was the result of used up all his chakra for one punch. You read it totally wrong. No wonder people saying naruto was nerfed

3. Naurto used all the juice he got, he even need hinata power up

At least you agree:

toneri >>>>>>> naruto in power

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

I have just traveled to Japan to watch the last, so I will summarize the difference of naruto and toneri in strength

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Base toneri fought naruto with one hand!!

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Naurto tried to stop it, but he's too naive!

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Wow, naruto got knocked out cold in one go!!

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Just like bijudama here!!

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Wow, this explosion!! Not even
rasenshurikenbijuudama can compare!!!

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Toneri's toy is haxxed

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Here pinning down 100% kurama punching him in the face

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Wow, again in the face!! I know kurama got neg by solo glance, but I never knew 100% kurama is a punching bag

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Toneri's solo slash

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Wow, toneri's solo slash splited the moon!! Nothing rsm Naurto has in his arsenal that can even match 1/10th of this attack!!!

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We have already seen how toneri of the six path outmatch naruto. Even plot gave naruto a solo punch to cut toneri down, naruto still need a massive power up from hinata

Inconclusion

Toneri is too haxxed!!

1. One shotted naruto

2. base toneri's attack made explosion bigger than jubidama

3. Treating kurama like his personal punching bag till pnj saved naruto which saved kurama

4. Splitted the moon in 5 seconds while naruto's spirit bomb couldn't even make a dent on the moon

5. 100% kurama + naruto + hinata + pnj > toneri

So toneri > naruto

I find it interesting that you say you "just traveled to Japan" to watch The Last, despite it no longer being in theaters or dvd. Am I correct in assuming then that you traveled to Japan just to watch a camera ripped copy on a computer?

I would just like to clarify some of the misinformation in your thread, lest it confuse others and have them blindly agree. Toneri's attack did not make an explosion bigger than the bijuu dama. What Toneri did was knock Naruto's OWN chakra out of his body, chakra that then exploded and burst through the moon. We can assume that Naruto was not turned into dust (what would logically happen if actually hit by a bijuu dama) because the chakra was his own.

Kurama was remotely fighting the statue of Toneri away from Naruto and Toneri. He was actually dominating the fight, and landed attacks that ripped the statue apart, but its power to piece itself back together proved to be an annoyance, not a setback. The "punching bag" scene that you are referring to was ended with Kurama calling the statue persistent and blowing it through the moon towards Toneri with a bijuudama (this may be referenced later.)

It was not Hinata + Naruto + Kurama that defeated Toneri. It was only Naruto. Toneri was punched into the cliff, lost the ability to maintain his Tenseigan (eyes that I would like to remind originally belonged to Hanabi) and then had his eyes removed from his head by Hinata. It was only after this DEFEAT that he absorbed all of the byakugan from the alter and began to suck out Naruto's chakra, making it necessary for Hinata to give Naruto some of hers. And after the statue that the kyuubi previously shot (see above paragraph) came barreling into Toneri and sent him on a path to certain destruction did Naruto go out of his way to save Toneri.

What do you think?

 

[Narutrol]

I find it interesting that you say you "just traveled to Japan" to watch The Last, despite it no longer being in theaters or dvd. Am I correct in assuming then that you traveled to Japan just to watch a camera ripped copy on a computer?

I would just like to clarify some of the misinformation in your thread, lest it confuse others and have them blindly agree. Toneri's attack did not make an explosion bigger than the bijuu dama. What Toneri did was knock Naruto's OWN chakra out of his body, chakra that then exploded and burst through the moon. We can assume that Naruto was not turned into dust (what would logically happen if actually hit by a bijuu dama) because the chakra was his own.

I'm glad you mentioned it. The explosion is from the chakra of naruto. Yet toneri did all that with one hand only, you have to be impressed. What's more impressive is that it still can't compare to solo slash of toneri

Kurama was remotely fighting the statue of Toneri away from Naruto and Toneri. He was actually dominating the fight, and landed attacks that ripped the statue apart, but its power to piece itself back together proved to be an annoyance, not a setback. The "punching bag" scene that you are referring to was ended with Kurama calling the statue persistent and blowing it through the moon towards Toneri with a bijuudama (this may be referenced later.)

Yup kurama blew the statue into piece many times, but the statue regenerate instantly, the statue can't be defeated. And kurama ended up being a punching bag. Yes kurama got rustled and blew the statue up with bijuudama, but as we know that was a foolish mistake he made. Using bijuudama would drained himself more, and will get beat up by the statue worse as we had witnessed

It was not Hinata + Naruto + Kurama that defeated Toneri. It was only Naruto. Toneri was punched into the cliff, lost the ability to maintain his Tenseigan (eyes that I would like to remind originally belonged to Hanabi) and then had his eyes removed from his head by Hinata. It was only after this DEFEAT that he absorbed all of the byakugan from the alter and began to suck out Naruto's chakra, making it necessary for Hinata to give Naruto some of hers. And after the statue that the kyuubi previously shot (see above paragraph) came barreling into Toneri and sent him on a path to certain destruction did Naruto go out of his way to save Toneri.

I already mentioned naruto's solo punch was gonna cut him down, BUT its not enough, he needed hinata power up

Yes, naruto went to save toneri. That was very touching :kisss:

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

I'm glad you mentioned it. The explosion is from the chakra of naruto. Yet toneri did all that with one hand only, you have to be impressed. What's more impressive is that it still can't compare to solo slash of toneri


Yup kurama blew the statue into piece many times, but the statue regenerate instantly, the statue can't be defeated. And kurama ended up being a punching bag. Yes kurama got rustled and blew the statue up with bijuudama, but as we know that was a foolish mistake he made. Using bijuudama would drained himself more, and will get beat up by the statue worse as we had witnessed



I already mentioned naruto's solo punch was gonna cut him down, BUT its not enough, he needed hinata power up

Yes, naruto went to save toneri. That was very touching :kisss:

Naruto did not require Hinata's chakra for the punch against Toneri. In fact, she was in a cage playing spectator to their entire match.

Toneri knocking the chakra out of Naruto was not in his "base" mode. He did a partial transformation (his entire arm was engulfed in the tenseigan chakra), the same way that Naruto used a partial transformation to knock out Toneri in their later match.

The statue never returned to attack Kurama after he was hit with the last bijuudama. The statue went barreling through the moon and eventually came out where Toneri was, knocking him into space. The statue itself was remotely controlled by Toneri's chakra, seen when after Toneri was defeated, the statue stopped. It was reactivated again when Toneri absorbed the byakugan, leading to Kurama launching away, and effectively ending both fights, with his bijuudama.

What do you think?

 

[Narutrol]

Naruto did not require Hinata's chakra for the punch against Toneri. In fact, she was in a cage playing spectator to their entire match.

I agree, but at the end naruto still need the powerup

Toneri knocking the chakra out of Naruto was not in his "base" mode. He did a partial transformation (his entire arm was engulfed in the tenseigan chakra), the same way that Naruto used a partial transformation to knock out Toneri in their later match.

So I see you agree naruto was not base when solo punch toneri. That's good

The statue never returned to attack Kurama after he was hit with the last bijuudama. The statue went barreling through the moon and eventually came out where Toneri was, knocking him into space. The statue itself was remotely controlled by Toneri's chakra, seen when after Toneri was defeated, the statue stopped. It was reactivated again when Toneri absorbed the byakugan, leading to Kurama launching away, and effectively ending both fights, with his bijuudama.

We all know that bijuudama won't do the statue no harm, it will regenerate and beat up the drained kurama worse than before. Because shattering statue is useless and it would come back give kurama a beat up again

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

1. Kcm, this implying the naruto had to use seal forcefully to retain kurama while using the limited chakra from kurama. The last naruto was buddy with 100% kurama, that is no kcm. Kurama was getting beat up like a little girl and almost got killed if kishimoto sensei's pen didn't come in time. There was no reason for naruto to hold back

2. That was not base naruto. That was full power naruto. The base naruto that you referring to was the result of used up all his chakra for one punch. You read it totally wrong. No wonder people saying naruto was nerfed

3. Naurto used all the juice he got, he even need hinata power up

At least you agree:

toneri >>>>>>> naruto in power

Kurama was not getting beat up like you said. Kurama's biju ball equals 5 tailed beasts balls. That's only half Kurama. Full Kurama by cannon should have turn that statue to dust with one shot. He was nerfed

Naruto did not use:
TSB
Tailed beast kkg
Rasengan variants or any other of the abilities he got from Hago.

Toneri faced a plot weakened Naruto just so he could look more powerful then he was. As evidence when he got one shot and lost all his powers. By a single punch to the face. That seems to be something you either gloss over or disregard outright. Even though it was apparent in the movie.

Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toneri fodder in power

 

[Narutrol]

Kurama was not getting beat up like you said. Kurama's biju ball equals 5 tailed beasts balls. That's only half Kurama. Full Kurama by cannon should have turn that statue to dust with one shot. He was nerfed

Naruto did not use:
TSB
Tailed beast kkg
Rasengan variants or any other of the abilities he got from Hago.

Toneri faced a plot weakened Naruto just so he could look more powerful then he was. As evidence when he got one shot and lost all his powers. By a single punch to the face. That seems to be something you either gloss over or disregard outright. Even though it was apparent in the movie.

Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toneri fodder in power

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Wow, again in the face!! I know kurama got neg by solo glance, but I never knew 100% kurama is a punching bag

Kurama got owned worse than when he was at vote2. You got it backward. Kurama got owned doesn't mean he is nerfed. Kurama got owned because the statue is too strong(tenseigan is too strong)

No comment on his hago power or tsb which is not the point of the thread, but certainly naruto went all out

Naruto obviously was not weaker than vote 2. one hand base mode golden rasenshuriken + 100% kurama. Naruto was all time strong. Its just that toneri was and perhaps still is stronger

Hokage naruto and vote2 naruto together can't even scratch the moon, moon splitter toneri is way tooooooo much for naruto

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Let us agree to disagree. I believe that Naruto is stronger than Toneri based on the movie. You think otherwise, and that is OK.

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

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Wow, again in the face!! I know kurama got neg by solo glance, but I never knew 100% kurama is a punching bag

Kurama got owned worse than when he was at vote2. You got it backward. Kurama got owned doesn't mean he is nerfed. Kurama got owned because the statue is too strong(tenseigan is too strong)

No comment on his hago power or tsb which is not the point of the thread, but certainly naruto went all out

Naruto obviously was not weaker than vote 2. one hand base mode golden rasenshuriken + 100% kurama. Naruto was all time strong. Its just that toneri was and perhaps still is stronger

Hokage naruto and vote2 naruto together can't even scratch the moon, moon splitter toneri is way tooooooo much for naruto

As I said, that shouldn't of happened in the first place. If full Kurama was using his powers, that statue should have been reduced to dust. Plus he's a chakra construct, not flesh and blood. I doubt he sustained major injury

How can Naruto power from Hago not be a point when you keep saying Naruto won because of plot? Plot is what gave Toneri any chance against Naruto in the first place! Naruto on the other hand was nerfed cuz of plot.

If Toneri moon cutting sword couldn't affect Naruto, then at full power he is indeed a moon buster. How can you go through a direct attack like that if you don't have equal or greater power? Maybe Naruto can't bust a moon(I believe he can)but it's obvious a moon destroying attack doesn't work on him. He's just that strong now

 

[Narutrol]

As I said, that shouldn't of happened in the first place. If full Kurama was using his powers, that statue should have been reduced to dust. Plus he's a chakra construct, not flesh and blood. I doubt he sustained major injury

Kurama used all he got. You been assuming the statue is weaker than kurama when the movie made it clear the statue solo kurama

How can Naruto power from Hago not be a point when you keep saying Naruto won because of plot? Plot is what gave Toneri any chance against Naruto in the first place! Naruto on the other hand was nerfed cuz of plot.

Naruto went all out. If he had hago power, he already used it

If Toneri moon cutting sword couldn't affect Naruto, then at full power he is indeed a moon buster. How can you go through a direct attack like that if you don't have equal or greater power? Maybe Naruto can't bust a moon(I believe he can)but it's obvious a moon destroying attack doesn't work on him. He's just that strong now

Naruto can't tank that. He can't even handle toneri attack(he got one shotted). Solo slash would chop naruto and kurama in four pieces. Naruto didn't tank solo slash, he got blown away by the slash and flied to the gap of the moon

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

Kurama used all he got. You been assuming the statue is weaker than kurama when the movie made it clear the statue solo kurama


Naruto went all out. If he had hago power, he already used it



Naruto can't tank that. He can't even handle toneri attack(he got one shotted). Solo slash would chop naruto and kurama in four pieces. Naruto didn't tank solo slash, he got blown away by the slash and flied to the gap of the moon

Kurama bijuu ball can blow mountains away. If he was going all out, or if he wasn't limited due to story, that statue doesn't stand a chance.

Naruto never used RSM. Not once in the movie. BSM was the most he used. He didn't use it cuz plot.

He did tank the moon buster at the end. He ran straight to Toneri right through the attack. It was just before Naruto finished him off with that last punch.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Naruto punch GG all Toneri feats

 

[redman476]

What is this shit

 

[Narutrol]

Kurama bijuu ball can blow mountains away. If he was going all out, or if he wasn't limited due to story, that statue doesn't stand a chance.

Naruto never used RSM. Not once in the movie. BSM was the most he used. He didn't use it cuz plot.

He did tank the moon buster at the end. He ran straight to Toneri right through the attack. It was just before Naruto finished him off with that last punch.

Naruto punch GG all Toneri feats

naruto: blow mountain away
Toneri: bisect a planet
winner = toneri

Naruro's nine tails: got pinned down hopelessly
Toneri's statue: the one do the beating and harassing kurama
Winner = toneri

Naruro bsm: stalemate
toneri mode: stalemate
Winner = tie

Base Naurto solo punch(full power after whole fight)
Toneri one shot naruto effortlessly before the fight started
winner = toneri

To check the strength, you don't just look at the result as we all knew the result due to plot

You look at all main points like I do

Naruto vs toneri

0 vs 3

Toneri is stronger while naruto won the battle due to him being mc