naruro >>>>> toneri
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Naruto: Runs runs straight through moon bisect attack
Toneri: Gets decked
winner= Naruto
Kurama: Not using his full power cuz of movie wank
Statue: Pathetic Gedo ripoff
Winner = plot
BSM: Utterly outclassed Unicorn boy. Beat him in one blow without using full bsm
Toneri: Got rekt. Couldn't kill Naruto the first time, and incapable of doing jack the final time
Winner = Naruto
Base Naruto Solo punches Toneri when fodder uses full Unicorn powers.
Toneri takes naruto's own chakra and hits him with it. Can't even use his own powers to defeat base naruto.
winner = Naruto
You're not looking at all the points. You pick and choose what's relevant to your stance.
Naruto vs Toneri vs Plot
2 - 0 - 1
Toneri could only be a threat cuz plot dictated to weaken Naruto. Fodder my little pony is fodder
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I don't see how its relevant to my statement. Seems very forced
He used multiple bijuudama + full ufc caged fight
Kurama went all out
toneri won regardless
You didn't read nor counter the "failacy" of my statement if there is any, irrelevant response
This one is very debatable, so I put it as tie. When you speak so absolute base on the reasoning that I knew, you are being very subjective
There's a big problem to what you saying
You claiming naruto vs toneri is 2 vs 0, a one sided situation according to you, yet you can't stop screaming "plot"
So that means there are contradictions to your claim
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You said Toneri moon bisect> Naruto mountain buster. This statement can only be true if the moon attack actually did anything to Naruto. It didn't. Naruto is stronger than moon bisect. Naruto is stronger than Toneri
And none of those bijuudama's where anywhere close to what he used against the other tailed beasts.
Kurama was nerfed
You said Toneri stalemated BSM Naruto. He didn't. He got rekt by Base Naruto. It's pretty cut and dry to me
There's nothing debatable about that. It's what actually happened in the movie. The only one being subjective is you. Unreasonably so.
You just went on and on about how Naruto won because of "plot", so you calling me out on it means null.
Toneri never beat Naruto straight out. The one attack that worked, he used Naruto's OWN CHAKRA against him. When toneri went full Unicorn, he lost completely.
It didn't hit naruto nor naruto ever tanked something like this nor amaterasu. Naruto won't survived
It didn't show bijuudama blasting off to mountains to let you see the explosion. Your expectation is bijuudama turning the statue to atoms
You might not be overeating kurama, but you are for sure underrating the statue
Bsm couldn't destroyed toneri, but base naruto can?
And again it was not base naruto. Solo punch was naruto full power. He turned base mode right away because he was drained due to solo punch
Nope, you still don't understand what my thread is about....
This thread is not about how weak naruto was in the last . Its about how strong toneri is
It appears you calling all toneri's feats and power as plot unless they are below naruto
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JustSomeRandomNinja
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doesn't change the fact, that he had to use Naruto own chakra against him. And Amaterasu didn't do anything to him. Even Sasuke said Ama nothing more than a distraction to Naruto.
I might be underrating the statue a bit, but I feel you're overeating the statue too. When yang Kurama went up against the other tailed beasts, his bijuu ball collided with theirs and scattered them blowing mountains up. Madara Susanoo can destroy mountians. It has power equal to a tailed beast.
Alright. Doesn't change the fact Full power Toneri lost to BSM Naruto and not RSM Naruto. BSM Naruto> Full Power Toneri. RSM Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Full power Toneri
I had no problem with you saying that Toneri is strong. I agree he is. The problem I found was you saying Naruto won just because he was the MC. That's only partly true. Let's not act like Toneri went up against the strongest version of Naruto. If he did, this movie would have been way different.
That sounds like toneri had no choice but to "use naruto's own chakra against him" without having any Intel on naruto. My first scan showed toneri solo low diff. And naruto didn't tank ama, he used kurama cloak to be the victim instead
I agree the feats you stating, and I didn't undermine them. It's just that the statue is still more superior
Again. I already said naruto went all out. If you believe he still have rsm, then he already used that against toneri, and drained everything
Yes, naruto gave it all he had. If you believe he has rsm, then he used them all. That's why he turned to base as soon as he released solo punch. And naruto had no reason to hold back, the world was about to meet its end while he had to save hinata asap.
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If Toneri was as powerful as you say, why'd he resort to using Naruto's chakra. Shouldn't he have been strong enough to beat with his own chakra? Apparently Not. Your first scan does so him beating Naruto. However you neglected to show the scan of Naruto solo Toneri. And Naruto did tank Ama. You make it sound like he held kurama in front of him like a meat shield. There was no victim, Naruto just used a superior tech against Ama.
If that's your opinion then fine. But something not even on the level of the Gedo statue by canon shouldn't have given Kurama much trouble
He went all out in BSM. Not once did he use RSM. SP didn't even know what RSM looked like at the time since the movie was in production years before Kishi unveiled the form. Whatever Toneri drained, it wasn't any rikudou chakra in it.
Naruto gave his all in the limited powers that were available to him in the movie. He didn't use RSM because we all know what it looks like. That form did not appear anywhere in the movie.