[VS] MS Sasuke vs Killer Bee

[Raykyryn]

I'll reply tomorrow, gotta go to sleep now.

 

[Abomination]

Who the **** was even phased by susanoo arrows? Lol Danzo? Kakashi? Bee's faster than both of them.

 

[Unorthodox]

Susanoo arrows stopped by rock

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Raikiri runs through rocks

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Feel the difference.

Having Bee left in a stationary situation (while trying to attack Sasuke from underground with chakra arms) is no problem when Sasuke can't harm him at all.

@Raykyryn: I suggest you read that again.

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Pierced clean through that rock pillar and hit the ground. Then there's the fact that Raikiri Kunai>>Normal Raikiri due to the fact that the Raikiri itself is focused on the Kunai, which has a smaller point than Kakashi's hand, thus causing it to pierce deeper than Raikiri would. Same principle Nukite uses. The tip gets more pointed but more or equal energy is pumped in, creating a more focused attack.

Kidgamer beat me to it gtfoh kid

 

[Draegod]

Yup so I think his point is kinda moot. I'll be leaving now

You mean when Pain had a Chakra disrupting Rod that obv made Kakashi Pause? And also the fact Kakashi's hand went smooth in the Rock but since his forward motion was stopped it obv didnt go deeper since his arms cannot grow.

OT: Bee wins both.

- Whirlwind Not only could get him out of his susanoo, it also makes him off guard for a Lariat once he stops spinning!
- Army of Ink clones also Overwhelm sasuke to either A) Spam MS to survive but then chakra takes a dump and he dies. Or B) Get defeated eventually by the ink clones (the same ink clones that bested Rinnengan shared vision and 3 tomoe Obito Vision btw)
- Enton/Ama is completely useless and will only make him waste chakra.
- Susanoo is literally batted around by V2 or BM
- Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Ama at the same time with out taking a huge chakra fall (which is key to susanoo users like himself)
- Tentacles from ink clones plus the real Bee will literally be attacking non stop fom under ground so hiding in Susanoo is foolish.
- Susanno arrows are tanked plus Healed with Sama. The arrows best feat is rock and more rock. v2 feats Include TBB, Raikiri, 6 gate parry, Kusanagi. One could argue The arrow (based off nothing) is better then all of the listed attacks, but fact is it will not kill be or one shot is what we all can agree on.

Susanoo arrows after fired have a slow reset period that a ninja like Bee could capitalize on. If Danzou's Wind attack easily busted Susanoo open with a alittle suction help, then a Few Lariots will have no problem Boosting or knocking the susanoo around bar final. EMS sasuke can spam susanoo damn near indefinitely, MS unfortunately doesn't have that Luxury. Especially when Bee is faster, stronger has a better def to work with. Kirin is tanked by BM and that's if the fight goes long enough for sasuke to resort to that move.

 

[HiddenSound]

I figured Amaterasu would be the deal breaker. But then I remembered as of 699, that doesn't ****ing work on proper Jinchurikis..

 

[ComplexCity]

You mean when Pain had a Chakra disrupting Rod that obv made Kakashi Pause? And also the fact Kakashi's hand went smooth in the Rock but since his forward motion was stopped it obv didnt go deeper since his arms cannot grow.

OT: Bee wins both.

- Whirlwind Not only could get him out of his susanoo, it also makes him off guard for a Lariat once he stops spinning!
- Army of Ink clones also Overwhelm sasuke to either A) Spam MS to survive but then chakra takes a dump and he dies. Or B) Get defeated eventually by the ink clones (the same ink clones that bested Rinnengan shared vision and 3 tomoe Obito Vision btw)
- Enton/Ama is completely useless and will only make him waste chakra.
- Susanoo is literally batted around by V2 or BM
- Sasuke cannot use Susanoo and Ama at the same time with out taking a huge chakra fall (which is key to susanoo users like himself)
- Tentacles from ink clones plus the real Bee will literally be attacking non stop fom under ground so hiding in Susanoo is foolish.
- Susanno arrows are tanked plus Healed with Sama. The arrows best feat is rock and more rock. v2 feats Include TBB, Raikiri, 6 gate parry, Kusanagi. One could argue The arrow (based off nothing) is better then all of the listed attacks, but fact is it will not kill be or one shot is what we all can agree on.

Susanoo arrows after fired have a slow reset period that a ninja like Bee could capitalize on. If Danzou's Wind attack easily busted Susanoo open with a alittle suction help, then a Few Lariots will have no problem Boosting or knocking the susanoo around bar final. EMS sasuke can spam susanoo damn near indefinitely, MS unfortunately doesn't have that Luxury. Especially when Bee is faster, stronger has a better def to work with. Kirin is tanked by BM and that's if the fight goes long enough for sasuke to resort to that move.

Pretty sure the rod wasn't in him for that long. Regardless, by feats Raikiri's piercing power is equal or less than SA

 

[Draegod]

Pretty sure the rod wasn't in him for that long. Regardless, by feats Raikiri's piercing power is equal or less than SA

Wait what??? They literally Show pains eyes to show he had an effect on kakashi! Kakashi literally paused afterwards in confusion, the rod is literally in his chest. What are you talking about? And what Made you come with the Conclusion it is equal or less?

 

[ComplexCity]

Wait what??? They literally Show pains eyes to show he had an effect on kakashi! Kakashi literally paused afterwards in confusion, the rod is literally in his chest. What are you talking about? And what Made you come with the Conclusion it is equal or less?

Ok I agree I remember now, but I honestly don't see how it's relevant seeing as how Kakashi failed spilt the tab of rock. The other guy was claiming that Kakashi could do just that. Just as Raikiri is made of chakara so is SA. SA is longer hence why it would be able to penetrate more. Neither have failed to do so but since SA is longer, it has more length

 

[Draegod]

Ok I agree I remember now, but I honestly don't see how it's relevant seeing as how Kakashi failed spilt the tab of rock. The other guy was claiming that Kakashi could do just that. Just as Raikiri is made of chakara so is SA. SA is longer hence why it would be able to penetrate more. Neither have failed to do so but since SA is longer, it has more length

Nothing you said made any sense. I think you meant it has more force behind the blow to penetrate more easier?

 

[ComplexCity]

Nothing you said made any sense. I think you meant it has more force behind the blow to penetrate more easier?

How doesn't it make sense? I shouldn't have to mention the force because everyone whose read the manga knows that it is shot from a bow which automatically gives it more force to penetrate. If you pit Kakashi's arm against SA, the SA will penetrate deeper because it is longer

 

[take it easy]

Bee wins both scenarios.

 

[Draegod]

How doesn't it make sense? I shouldn't have to mention the force because everyone whose read the manga knows that it is shot from a bow which automatically gives it more force to penetrate. If you pit Kakashi's arm against SA, the SA will penetrate deeper because it is longer

If kakashi was standing still and uses a standard thrust motion then yes, But if kakashi were to run and then Chidori then no! And no! A arrow shot from a bow doesn't give it more force. lmao the 3rd Nukite easily has more force then a 100 arrows! You make no sense since you do not know how physics work. You don't know the give and take of both jutsu's nor the limits shown.

 

[Oblivionx]

Bee wins both as in canon...!

 

[Raykyryn]

Hmm, let's see.

-It's chakra enhanced wood.

-It's Mokuton.

-It dwarfs the Shuriken in size.

The Shinju is also a chakra enhanced wood ,moreso both in size and in chakra quality it far-far surpasses Danzo with his weak mokuton, yet slashes from the likes of Mifune and his samurais could not only damage it but completely sever its branches. Even Hiruzen with his staff achieved this feat. And if i remember correctly, Sasukes arrow hasnt got any better feat than this (without Rikudo chakra enhancement).

-Sasuke easily cut through metal. Cutting through a metal Shuriken isn't a big feat for something like Raikiri.

-Even Kimimaro was cutting through metal with his bones IIRC.

The bones Kimimaro uses as sword were stated to be as hard as steel but samurais chakra enhanced sword

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despite it is so thin compared to Obitos shurikens.
Sasuke cut that kunai with chidori katana which is more powerful than chidori based on feats thus can be compared to Raikiri.

1. That's not the Kannabi Bridge.

2. That's made of stone, not rock.

3. No proof that Raikiri would run right through it. It cut through small boulders floating in the air. Big difference.

4. There is a gap in power.

5. It pierced through the Mokuton and then hit the bridge at an angle, which reduces it's power.

1. Don't know, they look the same for me.

2.The bridge is about as durable as the boulders Kakashi cut , you can clearly see that the bidge is made out of formed rocks

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(Rock and stone in my language mean the same so i don't really know what is the difference between them but im sure they are about the same in terms of durability.)

3 Sasukes arrows only pierced that part of the ground that it made a direct contact with, but raikiri completely severed the huge boulders, (same like the shockwaves of Sasukes PS could severed the whole meteors). There is a huge difference in power between the two cases because the material they made contact with was about the same.

4. Kakashi created the raikiri both around the kunai and his hands thus the size of the raikiri was much bigger than the normal so it wasnt so concentrated as it usually is.Thats truth that the kunai provided it a sharper form but its just a compensate for the loss of concentration.
The kunai was only there because it increased Kakashis range to save Naruto from Obito.

5.Still, its a meh feat considering the next arrow which wasnt slowed down by mokuton could hardly pierce the ground also.

 

[ComplexCity]

If kakashi was standing still and uses a standard thrust motion then yes, But if kakashi were to run and then Chidori then no! And no! A arrow shot from a bow doesn't give it more force. lmao the 3rd Nukite easily has more force then a 100 arrows! You make no sense since you do not know how physics work. You don't know the give and take of both jutsu's nor the limits shown.

F = M*A

From your post you are implying that Kakashi can speed faster than SA which is fallacious because the manga already proved he's not The faster the acceleration of the arrow, the more force behind it and the arrow as I stated before also has more mass than Kakashi's Palm. I don't even know how you are trying to debate this.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Shinju is also a chakra enhanced wood ,moreso both in size and in chakra quality it far-far surpasses Danzo with his weak mokuton, yet slashes from the likes of Mifune and his samurais could not only damage it but completely sever its branches. Even Hiruzen with his staff achieved this feat. And if i remember correctly, Sasukes arrow hasnt got any better feat than this (without Rikudo chakra enhancement).

They cut thin branches, and besides. ANY of those attacks would cut Obito's Shuriken so I'm not even beginning to see your point. Sasuke's Arrow not being able to replicate these feats doesn't matter.

Though there is little evidence that the tree Danzo made w/ Mokuton is far less durable than the branches that were cut. Hashirama's chakra quality is nowhere near the Shinju's, yet the Shinju's roots haven't shown any durability feat that'd make it far more durable than wood of the same size or larger.

btw, the tree Danzo made is larger than some of the branches that were cut. Not all of course.

The bones Kimimaro uses as sword were stated to be as hard as steel but samurais chakra enhanced sword

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despite it is so thin compared to Obitos shurikens.
Sasuke cut that kunai with chidori katana which is more powerful than chidori based on feats thus can be compared to Raikiri.

Chakra enhanced weapon>>Normal weapon. That's the end of that.

2.The bridge is about as durable as the boulders Kakashi cut , you can clearly see that the bidge is made out of formed rocks

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(Rock and stone in my language mean the same so i don't really know what is the difference between them but im sure they are about the same in terms of durability.)

No, it's not.

You've given zero back up for that claim. The bridge is much larger than anything Kakashi has ever cut, and it's a different type of material. Cutting regular rocks doesn't mean you can cut a stone bridge that is far larger than said rocks and a different material, a material that is usually stronger than random rock.

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3 Sasukes arrows only pierced that part of the ground that it made a direct contact with, but raikiri completely severed the huge boulders, (same like the shockwaves of Sasukes PS could severed the whole meteors). There is a huge difference in power between the two cases because the material they made contact with was about the same.

1. The material wasn't the same. Not even close.

2. The size of the material wasn't the same. Not even close.

3. The Kunai Raikiri>>Normal Raikiri.

4. Kakashi created the raikiri both around the kunai and his hands thus the size of the raikiri was much bigger than the normal so it wasnt so concentrated as it usually is.Thats truth that the kunai provided it a sharper form but its just a compensate for the loss of concentration.
The kunai was only there because it increased Kakashis range to save Naruto from Obito.

Wrong.

1. It was the same size.

2. If it was larger, that only hurts your point more. That means more energy used for Raikiri than normal is being focused all onto this Kunai with a sharper tip than Kakashi's hand, meaning the penetration effect is increased even more than it would if he was using the same amount of energy.

It increased the range, and it increased the penetration. Then there's the fact Raikiri barely pierced into Doton Wall.

5.Still, its a meh feat considering the next arrow which wasnt slowed down by mokuton could hardly pierce the ground also.

Read above.

 

[Raykyryn]

They cut thin branches, and besides. ANY of those attacks would cut Obito's Shuriken so I'm not even beginning to see your point. Sasuke's Arrow not being able to replicate these feats doesn't matter.

Except it does:
-Hiruzens staff can cut branches from the Shinju that are as thick as the mokuton Sasukes arrow went through before.
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-That very sword has already failed to pierce a v2 biju mode Naruto.
-Sasukes arrow hasnt showcased any better feats than piercing through that mokuton.
-Chidori katana is canonically stronger than Kusanagi ergo it surpasses Sasukes arrow in terms of feats. But it doesnt surpasses Raikiri.
Conclusion: Sasukes arrow can't harm a v2 biju and hasnt got any evidence that would put it in a higher leage than Raikiri.

Though there is little evidence that the tree Danzo made w/ Mokuton is far less durable than the branches that were cut. Hashirama's chakra quality is nowhere near the Shinju's, yet the Shinju's roots haven't shown any durability feat that'd make it far more durable than wood of the same size or larger.

Its the same with Danzos mokuton Lol

Chakra enhanced weapon>>Normal weapon. That's the end of that.

Yup. It proves some of my points.

You've given zero back up for that claim. The bridge is much larger than anything Kakashi has ever cut, and it's a different type of material. Cutting regular rocks doesn't mean you can cut a stone bridge that is far larger than said rocks and a different material, a material that is usually stronger than random rock.

Kakashis Raikiri must have severed the most part of the rock the moment it touched it in order for him to be able to go through with his whole body. It means if Raikiri touched the bridge it could make more damage than Sasukes arrow which could only destroy that part of the bridge with that it made a direct contact (im assuming the material of the bridge and boulders Kakashi cut are about the same which i will explain in my following point)

Stone and Rock aren't the same btw.

From the page you linked: "shaped rock fragment: a piece of rock that has been shaped for a particular purpose, e.g. a gravestone"
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Wrong.

1. It was the same size.

2. If it was larger, that only hurts your point more. That means more energy used for Raikiri than normal is being focused all onto this Kunai with a sharper tip than Kakashi's hand, meaning the penetration effect is increased even more than it would if he was using the same amount of energy.

1. It wasnt as it had to cover two of his hands plus a kunai.

2. bold: What makes you think all the energy was focused onto the kunai? There were same amount of energy around his two hands as around the kunai.
Juubi and Juubito has the same amount of power yet Juubito can use it more efficiently because the Juubi uses larger scale attacks meanwhile Juubito can focuses it. So the larger size means less focus like in the Raikiri kunais case.

Then there's the fact Raikiri barely pierced into Doton Wall.

One of the two requirements of a full powered Raikiri is the high speed. In that case it wasn't there because of the situation .

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Killer Bee wins .

 

[Dropgun]

Both for Bee, barely.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except it does:
-Hiruzens staff can cut branches from the Shinju that are as thick as the mokuton Sasukes arrow went through before.
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-That very sword has already failed to pierce a v2 biju mode Naruto.
-Sasukes arrow hasnt showcased any better feats than piercing through that mokuton.
-Chidori katana is canonically stronger than Kusanagi ergo it surpasses Sasukes arrow in terms of feats. But it doesnt surpasses Raikiri.
Conclusion: Sasukes arrow can't harm a v2 biju and hasnt got any evidence that would put it in a higher leage than Raikiri

Nothing you said even begins to prove the point you tried to make here. Hiruzen's staff being able to smash something equal to what Susanoo Arrow can pierce doesn't change the fact that they are both more durable than the Shuriken.

What is your argument about Danzos mokuton being more durable than Obitos shuriken based on tho?

Then there's the fact that Hiruzen's staff is not on par with the Kusanagi. Kusanagi was too weak to cut Enma, that's why Hiruzen can parry with it. That isn't proof that Kusanagi can do as much damage as Enma can when swung. The rest is irrelevant due to that fact.

I never said Susanoo Arrow would pierce a V2 Bijuu, so trying to prove that here isn't going to help you in this argument either. Lol. Nice try though.

Its the same with Danzos mokuton Lol

Not really. You tried to claim that a full sized Mokuton tree is less durable than tiny branches. No reason to believe that when the only argument you had was "chakra". And that argument doesn't even work.

Yup. It proves some of my points.

Not really. The fact it was chakra enhanced means it doesn't prove any of your points.

Kakashis Raikiri must have severed the most part of the rock the moment it touched it in order for him to be able to go through with his whole body. It means if Raikiri touched the bridge it could make more damage than Sasukes arrow which could only destroy that part of the bridge with that it made a direct contact (im assuming the material of the bridge and boulders Kakashi cut are about the same which i will explain in my following point)

Obviously. Doesn't change anything I've said.

From the page you linked: "shaped rock fragment: a piece of rock that has been shaped for a particular purpose, e.g. a gravestone"
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That doesn't change the fact that they are not the same exact substance. That doesn't change the fact that sizes are INCOMPARABLE.

1. It wasnt as it had to cover two of his hands plus a kunai.

Then that means it's bigger, and your point fails.

2. bold: What makes you think all the energy was focused onto the kunai? There were same amount of energy around his two hands as around the kunai.

Where in the world would the power go? It didn't stay on his hands so it was obviously put onto the Kunai.

Juubi and Juubito has the same amount of power yet Juubito can use it more efficiently because the Juubi uses larger scale attacks meanwhile Juubito can focuses it. So the larger size means less focus like in the Raikiri kunais case.

Doesn't even begin to relate to the point due to the fact that these are two completely different situations we are coomparing, nor does it counter anything I've previously said.

- If it was larger, that only hurts your point more. That means more energy used for Raikiri than normal is being focused all onto this Kunai with a sharper tip than Kakashi's hand, meaning the penetration effect is increased even more than it would if he was using the same amount of energy.

-The more energy focused on one spot, the more damage that'll occur. That's why people can lay on a bed of nails (Google it) but can't lay on a single nail without getting penetrated.

-Raikiri has, let's say, 10 J of energy. Since Kakashi's Kunai's tip is smaller than his hand, all of Raikiri's power is focused on a smaller spot than it is with the normal Raikiri.

Your Juubito example is irrelevant since it talks about Juubito focusing it's overall power, not it's attacks.