Kaguya vs Madara

[Sennin of Logic]

Actually JJ Madara could empowered his PS by using Juubi chakra. Madara chakra as JJ is mixed with Juubi chakra.

The proof is this

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Without Juubi chakra boast, that act cant be perform by Madara if Madara using his own power only.

It also can be applied to Madara PS. Madara doesn't need to channel all Juubi chakra inside his Susanoo like sasuke does. What he need to do just boast his PS by using massive Juubi chakra.

It still produced same result.

Sasuke has more power than Madara.

Here's the evidence.

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This confirms that the Juubi's power is not massive chakra, but massive natural energy. The biju's chakra, while immense, is merely the key to having enormous natural energy.

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The basis of being a Juubi Jinchuriki is the ability to focus the natural energy that the Juubi provides (in the form of 6 paths senjutsu).

It all comes down to the fact that the Juubi is merely an artificial method of obtaining 6 paths power, and nothing else. Madara would have his susanoo passively buffed (due to having senjutsu), but he's not pulling more power out of his behind to put into susanoo. Sasuke had such power to begin with from his gift from Hagoromo, but it obviously isn't as great as the juubi. (at least until The Last)


What Sasuke did was take his own already powerful chakra, and did the reverse of COAT.

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He's stated to doing the opposite of Hagoromo. So, what did he do? Well, considering Hagoromo split the juubi into the biju, it stands to reason that he turned immense natural energy into multiple and powerful chakra sources. Since Sasuke did the reverse, he fused chakra sources to make immense natural energy to use in addition to his own potent powers. This is further supported by the fact that susanoo was being compared to the Gedo Statue, which turns the bijus into a being of pure natural energy.


In other words, everything Madara can get out of the juubi was already in his moveset, while Sasuke was comparable with his own chakra, but at least doubled it by using his version of the juubi on top of it. It's accurate to say that the chakra behind Sasuke's biju susanoo would be like 1.8 X the chakra behind Madara's suanoo, while being enhanced by natural energy. Needless to say, Madara's outclassed in firepower.

 

[Ambivalence]

Even with these restrictions, Kaguya still mid-diffs Madara. I don't even think I have to explain myself.

For Madara to win, you'd have to also restrict Ash Bone and/or her Vacuum Punches.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Sasuke has more power than Madara.

Here's the evidence.

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This confirms that the Juubi's power is not massive chakra, but massive natural energy. The biju's chakra, while immense, is merely the key to having enormous natural energy.

Spoiler

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The basis of being a Juubi Jinchuriki is the ability to focus the natural energy that the Juubi provides (in the form of 6 paths senjutsu).

It all comes down to the fact that the Juubi is merely an artificial method of obtaining 6 paths power, and nothing else. Madara would have his susanoo passively buffed (due to having senjutsu), but he's not pulling more power out of his behind to put into susanoo. Sasuke had such power to begin with from his gift from Hagoromo, but it obviously isn't as great as the juubi. (at least until The Last)


What Sasuke did was take his own already powerful chakra, and did the reverse of COAT.

Spoiler

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He's stated to doing the opposite of Hagoromo. So, what did he do? Well, considering Hagoromo split the juubi into the biju, it stands to reason that he turned immense natural energy into multiple and powerful chakra sources. Since Sasuke did the reverse, he fused chakra sources to make immense natural energy to use in addition to his own potent powers. This is further supported by the fact that susanoo was being compared to the Gedo Statue, which turns the bijus into a being of pure natural energy.


In other words, everything Madara can get out of the juubi was already in his moveset, while Sasuke was comparable with his own chakra, but at least doubled it by using his version of the juubi on top of it. It's accurate to say that the chakra behind Sasuke's biju susanoo would be like 1.8 X the chakra behind Madara's suanoo, while being enhanced by natural energy. Needless to say, Madara's outclassed in firepower.

you are idiot

 

[Sennin of Logic]

you are idiot

And yet, you offer nothing to refute such a view, and instead insult without backing it up.

Edit: BTW, your grammar makes this statement all the more ironic.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Sasuke has more power than Madara.

Here's the evidence.

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This confirms that the Juubi's power is not massive chakra, but massive natural energy. The biju's chakra, while immense, is merely the key to having enormous natural energy.

Spoiler

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The basis of being a Juubi Jinchuriki is the ability to focus the natural energy that the Juubi provides (in the form of 6 paths senjutsu).

It all comes down to the fact that the Juubi is merely an artificial method of obtaining 6 paths power, and nothing else. Madara would have his susanoo passively buffed (due to having senjutsu), but he's not pulling more power out of his behind to put into susanoo. Sasuke had such power to begin with from his gift from Hagoromo, but it obviously isn't as great as the juubi. (at least until The Last)


What Sasuke did was take his own already powerful chakra, and did the reverse of COAT.

Spoiler

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He's stated to doing the opposite of Hagoromo. So, what did he do? Well, considering Hagoromo split the juubi into the biju, it stands to reason that he turned immense natural energy into multiple and powerful chakra sources. Since Sasuke did the reverse, he fused chakra sources to make immense natural energy to use in addition to his own potent powers. This is further supported by the fact that susanoo was being compared to the Gedo Statue, which turns the bijus into a being of pure natural energy.


In other words, everything Madara can get out of the juubi was already in his moveset, while Sasuke was comparable with his own chakra, but at least doubled it by using his version of the juubi on top of it. It's accurate to say that the chakra behind Sasuke's biju susanoo would be like 1.8 X the chakra behind Madara's suanoo, while being enhanced by natural energy. Needless to say, Madara's outclassed in firepower.

What is the different between Natural chakra and Natural energy

Chakra=Energy right.

Sometimes people called it as Energy, sometime chakra in NV context

Senjutsu, Ninjutsu, all are chakra even though they are different in purpose/nature

 

[KidGamer65]

JJ have Bijuus chakra and senjutsu seperate and here is proof

1 . Here Obito stole senjutsu chakra from Madara and with that he create TSB stick

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2. after that :Here Obito is stealing seperate Bijuus chakra

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3. Madara himself distinguish Senjutsu from Bijuus chakra. "He said you stole senjutsu chakra too" SO he stole both senjutsu and bijuus chakra seperately

Here are both translations

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So as we can see Madara susanoo would be manifestation of Bijuus chakra and senjutsu chakra.

Again Juubi = Bijuus chakra + Nature energy (probably Gedo Mazo has something with that)

Good shit. You've proven that JJ Madara has Bijuu Chakra. Something we already knew.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

What is the different between Natural chakra and Natural energy

Chakra=Energy right.

Sometimes people called it as Energy, sometime chakra in NV context

I have no idea what's he bases to what you're implying. It's directly compared to being the same as the energy that circulates the planet aka. "Natural energy" in its purest form.

 

[Transcendence]

JJ have Bijuus chakra and senjutsu seperate and here is proof

1 . Here Obito stole senjutsu chakra from Madara and with that he create TSB stick

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2. after that :Here Obito is stealing seperate Bijuus chakra

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3. Madara himself distinguish Senjutsu from Bijuus chakra. "He said you stole senjutsu chakra too" SO he stole both senjutsu and bijuus chakra seperately

Here are both translations

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So as we can see Madara susanoo would be manifestation of Bijuus chakra and senjutsu chakra.

Again Juubi = Bijuus chakra + Nature energy (probably Gedo Mazo has something with that)

Both your translations contradict your claims. In both instances, Madara said something about purely Sennin modo, which meant Obito taking his Senjutsu. That's how he was able to reform the staff he had as the Jinchuriki.

The Juubi isn't Bijuus chakra + Nature energy. The Juubi itself is just a massive coalescence of nature energy. The Bijuu's are completely separate from the Juubi. The only thing they have in common is having tails and that the Juubi's chakra was used to create them. They aren't Senjutsu in their normal forms and the Juubi is. And to lay even more to that claim, the Juubi's Jinchuriki have never shown access to any of the Bijuu's actual abilities. If they were able to, then your theory might make sense.

So like I said; the boost to Madara's Susano'o will simply scale to the extent of his Senjutsu. He can't individually funnel the Bijuu's chakra into his Susano'o because he doesn't have them in that form. And as such, his Susano'o will remain weaker than Sasuke's Bijuu PS.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I have no idea what's he bases to what you're implying. It's directly compared to being the same as the energy that circulates the planet aka. "Natural energy" in its purest form.

Yeah, its very confusing. I dont know what Kishi tried to tell there.

I'm actually gave up on thinking about this thing.

 

[BLAZE]

Yomotsu Hirasaka+Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack+All-Killing Ash Bones= GG Madara

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Both your translations contradict your claims. In both instances, Madara said something about purely Sennin modo, which meant Obito taking his Senjutsu. That's how he was able to reform the staff he had as the Jinchuriki.

The Juubi isn't Bijuus chakra + Nature energy. The Juubi itself is just a massive coalescence of nature energy. The Bijuu's are completely separate from the Juubi. The only thing they have in common is having tails and that the Juubi's chakra was used to create them. They aren't Senjutsu in their normal forms and the Juubi is. And to lay even more to that claim, the Juubi's Jinchuriki have never shown access to any of the Bijuu's actual abilities. If they were able to, then your theory might make sense.

So like I said; the boost to Madara's Susano'o will simply scale to the extent of his Senjutsu. He can't individually funnel the Bijuu's chakra into his Susano'o because he doesn't have them in that form. And as such, his Susano'o will remain weaker than Sasuke's Bijuu PS.

you can´t stole SM you can only stole senjutsu chakra.

Its fact that:

1.Obito first stole senjutsu chakra and made one TSB

2. after that he stole Shukaku and Gyuuki chakra

3. Madara said"were you able to suck a little of that power too " and " you used sage mode only once but you managed to take even that power from me"

So clearly those are 2 different powers that JJ have.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

And yet, you offer nothing to refute such a view, and instead insult without backing it up.

Edit: BTW, your grammar makes this statement all the more ironic.

I am really sorry for insult .
I am just saying JJ have Bijuu power and senjutsu power separately thats all.

 

[Strict]

Kaguya is the origin of all Chakra and Kekkei Genkai. The Juubi, which represents just a part of Kaguya's power, her will, is the main source of Madara's power. The Rikudo Sennin himself is just a part of Kaguya's power she gave birth to.

The Rinnegan powers which Madara has shown are useless against Kaguya. She has the eyes to see the Limbo and the Chakra to hurt it. Either the Vacuum Palm pounds them, or the all killing ash bones will turn them to ashes. And then she fucks up Madara. No matter what Madara can do with the power of the Juubi, Kaguya can do it on a higher league. Since the Juubi is just a part of her power.

 

[sakurabooty]

Madara of course.

 

[Holy God]

Kaguya is the origin of all Chakra and Kekkei Genkai. The Juubi, which represents just a part of Kaguya's power, her will, is the main source of Madara's power. The Rikudo Sennin himself is just a part of Kaguya's power she gave birth to.

The Rinnegan powers which Madara has shown are useless against Kaguya. She has the eyes to see the Limbo and the Chakra to hurt it. Either the Vacuum Palm pounds them, or the all killing ash bones will turn them to ashes. And then she fucks up Madara. No matter what Madara can do with the power of the Juubi, Kaguya can do it on a higher league. Since the Juubi is just a part of her power.

How do you expect her to see Limbo with a pair of Byakugan?

 

[Holy God]

Both your translations contradict your claims. In both instances, Madara said something about purely Sennin modo, which meant Obito taking his Senjutsu. That's how he was able to reform the staff he had as the Jinchuriki.

The Juubi isn't Bijuus chakra + Nature energy. The Juubi itself is just a massive coalescence of nature energy. The Bijuu's are completely separate from the Juubi. The only thing they have in common is having tails and that the Juubi's chakra was used to create them. They aren't Senjutsu in their normal forms and the Juubi is. And to lay even more to that claim, the Juubi's Jinchuriki have never shown access to any of the Bijuu's actual abilities. If they were able to, then your theory might make sense.

So like I said; the boost to Madara's Susano'o will simply scale to the extent of his Senjutsu. He can't individually funnel the Bijuu's chakra into his Susano'o because he doesn't have them in that form. And as such, his Susano'o will remain weaker than Sasuke's Bijuu PS.

What do you think about the manga showing the individual tailed beasts inside of Madara then? You're saying that he has no access to their chakra, even though he has them absorbed?