Kaguya vs Madara

[Ansatsuken]

Actually JJ Madara could empowered his PS by using Juubi chakra. Madara chakra as JJ is mixed with Juubi chakra.

The proof is this

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Without Juubi chakra boast, that act cant be perform by Madara if Madara using his own power only.

It also can be applied to Madara PS. Madara doesn't need to channel all Juubi chakra inside his Susanoo like sasuke does. What he need to do just boast his PS by using massive Juubi chakra.

It still produced same result.

 

[Bronze]

In VM you just keep saying asumption how because Sasuke used Susanoo as vessel it will be stronger.
I asked @ Transcedence member who know what he talks about and even he said Sasuke susanoo (if Sauke absorb chakra directly) would have same power as Bijuu Susanoo.

Also everyone in that thread said same . So I am going with opinion of most members here.Their explanation is more reasonable then yours.

Leave him live in his imaginary brain. He's retarded.

 

[KidGamer65]

In VM you just keep saying asumption how because Sasuke used Susanoo as vessel it will be stronger.
I asked @ Transcedence member who know what he talks about and even he said Sasuke susanoo (if Sauke absorb chakra directly) would have same power as Bijuu Susanoo.

Also everyone in that thread said same . So I am going with opinion of most members here.Their explanation is more reasonable then yours.

So basically.....you have no argument of your own and just because another member agrees with you, you believe you are correct? Lol, please don't waste my time with these ridiculous logical fallacies. There is no explanation that'd put Madara's PS equal with Sasuke's Bijuu Susanoo. You only claim it's more reasonable cause it fits your views.

I've already addressed all your points. You can't give a proper response, that's why you've written it off as an assumption, even though the only assumption here is that Sasuke absorbing the chakra will give him a greater boost than if he stored the chakra inside Susanoo directly.

It's funny how you use the word of another member as your argument, when the same member you speak of doesn't believe that Madara's PS is as strong as Bijuu PS either.

Leave him live in his imaginary brain. He's retarded.

Coming from the retard who thinks V2 Juubidama=Madara's Meteor. Lol. Take Madara's wang out of your mouth son.

 

[KidGamer65]

How is that going to prove that naruto's chakra is stronger than the jiubi ? ,naruto himself couldnt believe that there is a chakra stronger than the jiubi's

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No, he said it's stronger than even the ten tails. Lol. Don't twist the meaning of Manga panels to prove your point. Not to mention no one is even talking about Naruto's own chakra here so this point is completely irrelevant.

 

[wael reda]

No, he said it's stronger than even the ten tails. Lol. Don't twist the meaning of Manga panels to prove your point. Not to mention no one is even talking about Naruto's own chakra here so this point is completely irrelevant.

Anyone read this scan properly, should realize that jiubi chakra is portrayed to be the most powerfull chakra that naruto has ever seen before seeing kaguya's chakra, if naruto's chakra was stronger ,he would have compared the IT chakra to his instead

Whatever ,I thought that you imply that naruto's chakra is superior to the jiubi .

 

[KidGamer65]

Anyone read this scan properly, should realize that jiubi chakra is portrayed to be the most powerfull chakra that naruto has ever seen before seeing kaguya's chakra, if naruto's chakra was stronger ,he would have compared the IT chakra to his instead

Whatever ,I thought that you imply that naruto's chakra is superior to the jiubi .

And you thought wrong. So your post is pointless.

 

[Holy God]

Actually JJ Madara could empowered his PS by using Juubi chakra. Madara chakra as JJ is mixed with Juubi chakra.

The proof is this

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Without Juubi chakra boast, that act cant be perform by Madara if Madara using his own power only.

It also can be applied to Madara PS. Madara doesn't need to channel all Juubi chakra inside his Susanoo like sasuke does. What he need to do just boast his PS by using massive Juubi chakra.

It still produced same result.

I'm pretty sure Madara can do that without the Holy Tree. If he wasn't able to, then that means he wasted about 1/10th of the tailed beasts' chakra on what he'd knew would be a distraction so that he could attain the third eye.

I get 1/10th by the fact that Madara has chakra comparable to a tailed beast(the same for Hashirama, Naruto, and Sasuke). If you count his chakra as a tailed beast's, and then add the other nine, that's 10 tailed beast-like chakra amounts. If it required more than his own, then obviously he would be requiring about/more than a tenth of that entire amount.

 

[wael reda]

And you thought wrong. So your post is pointless.

Uhh,so you weren't implying that naruto's chakra is superior to the jiubi !!?
Sorry for misunderstandingXD

 

[Holy God]

No, he said it's stronger than even the ten tails. Lol. Don't twist the meaning of Manga panels to prove your point. Not to mention no one is even talking about Naruto's own chakra here so this point is completely irrelevant.

It's impossible to tell whether Naruto was talking about the ten-tails regular chakra or it's nature energy. They are completely different seeing as how the nine other tailed beasts do not have nature energy.

 

[KidGamer65]

Uhh,so you weren't implying that naruto's chakra is superior to the jiubi !!?
Sorry for misunderstandingXD

Dude, no...lol, It's alright.

It's impossible to tell whether Naruto was talking about the ten-tails regular chakra or it's nature energy. They are completely different seeing as how the nine other tailed beasts do not have nature energy.

It's either they are one in the same or they are mixed together to make Senjutsu. No reason why they'd be separate.

 

[Holy God]

Dude, no...lol, It's alright.



It's either they are one in the same or they are mixed together to make Senjutsu. No reason why they'd be separate.

They can't be the same since we've seen people call upon natural energy independently of their own chakra. They probably can be combined to create Sen-Jutsu(sage techniques, in case you're misinterpreting that word to be sage chakra).

 

[Transcendence]

In VM you just keep saying asumption how because Sasuke used Susanoo as vessel it will be stronger.
I asked @ Transcedence member who know what he talks about and even he said Sasuke susanoo (if Sauke absorb chakra directly) would have same power as Bijuu Susanoo.

Also everyone in that thread said same . So I am going with opinion of most members here.Their explanation is more reasonable then yours.

You shouldn't really misinterpret what I said though.

I said if Sasuke had the separate Bijuu chakra taken in to his body (similar to how Naruto is the "Jin of the 9 tailed beasts) then he should logically be able to replicate his Bijuu PS feat by funnelling the chakra into his PS like he did the first time. Madara's PS even in his Jin form wouldn't be as powerful as Sasuke's Bijuu PS.

 

[Holy God]

You shouldn't really misinterpret what I said though.

I said if Sasuke had the separate Bijuu chakra taken in to his body (similar to how Naruto is the "Jin of the 9 tailed beasts) then he should logically be able to replicate his Bijuu PS feat by funnelling the chakra into his PS like he did the first time. Madara's PS even in his Jin form wouldn't be as powerful as Sasuke's Bijuu PS.

What would you say the difference is between a Sasuke that has the nine individual tailed beasts' chakra and a Sasuke with the Holy Tree? Why wouldn't the latter be able to replicate the technique?

 

[KidGamer65]

They can't be the same since we've seen people call upon natural energy independently of their own chakra. They probably can be combined to create Sen-Jutsu(sage techniques, in case you're misinterpreting that word to be sage chakra).

That's because their chakra wasn't already nature energy. Juubi's is.

 

[Transcendence]

What would you say the difference is between a Sasuke that has the nine individual tailed beasts' chakra and a Sasuke with the Holy Tree? Why wouldn't the latter be able to replicate the technique?

Lack of access to the Bijuu's chakra individually. Sasuke with the "Holy Tree" would have the Juubi, and Six Paths Senjutsu.

I've explained this before so I'll explain it again to make this abundantly clear.

For all intents and purposes Madara's EMS PS > Sasuke's EMS PS.

Sasuke's Rikudou PS >>>>>>>> Madara's EMS PS.

Now this is where the deduction starts. Sasuke's Rikudou PS was EQUAL to a Rikudou Senjutsu Kurama Avatar against Naruto. Correct? And Naruto has superior Senjutsu to Madara as the databook (and feats really) have shown. When he took in the Bijuu's, his PS was far above any normal avatar. And only Ashura's Avatar was portrayed equal. So it stands to reason that if Naruto's Avatar, which was already PS level (blocked Juubi laser so would easily go toe to toe with Madara's PS) and it's Senjutsu boost was only equal to Sasuke's PS, then Bijuu PS is the peak, and Madara's PS even as a Jin would only be in between the strength of Sasuke's pre Bijuu PS and Bijuu PS. Not equal (since if with a superior Senjutsu boost, Bijuu PS was above).

At best, Madara's PS would be in between Sasuke's Rikudou PS and his Bijuu PS, but still below the Bijuu PS. He doesn't have access to the Bijuu's separately and thus, can't replicate the technique.

 

[Holy God]

That's because their chakra wasn't already nature energy. Juubi's is.

As I've said before though, that's subjective. Since the ten-tails is made out of all the tailed beasts, and they are pure chakra(or so we know), that leads to believe that the ten-tails has both a regular source, and can pull natural energy from Earth(Kurama says that it is linked to the world I believe). It can also be as you say, and the tailed beasts are just somehow converted to natural energy.

 

[Holy God]

Lack of access to the Bijuu's chakra individually. Sasuke with the "Holy Tree" would have the Juubi, and Six Paths Senjutsu.

I've explained this before so I'll explain it again to make this abundantly clear.

For all intents and purposes Madara's EMS PS > Sasuke's EMS PS.

Sasuke's Rikudou PS >>>>>>>> Madara's EMS PS.

Now this is where the deduction starts. Sasuke's Rikudou PS was EQUAL to a Rikudou Senjutsu Kurama Avatar against Naruto. Correct? And Naruto has superior Senjutsu to Madara as the databook (and feats really) have shown. When he took in the Bijuu's, his PS was far above any normal avatar. And only Ashura's Avatar was portrayed equal. So it stands to reason that if Naruto's Avatar, which was already PS level (blocked Juubi laser so would easily go toe to toe with Madara's PS) and it's Senjutsu boost was only equal to Sasuke's PS, then Bijuu PS is the peak, and Madara's PS even as a Jin would only be in between the strength of Sasuke's pre Bijuu PS and Bijuu PS. Not equal (since if with a superior Senjutsu boost, Bijuu PS was above).

At best, Madara's PS would be in between Sasuke's Rikudou PS and his Bijuu PS, but still below the Bijuu PS. He doesn't have access to the Bijuu's separately and thus, can't replicate the technique.

So you're saying that it's not a matter of chakra quantity, but that it must come from the tailed beasts individually?

 

[KidGamer65]

As I've said before though, that's subjective. Since the ten-tails is made out of all the tailed beasts, and they are pure chakra(or so we know), that leads to believe that the ten-tails has both a regular source, and can pull natural energy from Earth(Kurama says that it is linked to the world I believe). It can also be as you say, and the tailed beasts are just somehow converted to natural energy.

No, it's not subjective. Kurama stated that it's energy is Nature Energy. Naruto sensed it with Sage Mode and confirmed that is is Nature Energy regardless of the Bijuu being normal chakra.

 

[Holy God]

No, it's not subjective. Kurama stated that it's energy is Nature Energy. Naruto sensed it with Sage Mode and confirmed that is is Nature Energy regardless of the Bijuu being normal chakra.

Kurama stated that it's made out of nature energy, yes. That doesn't toss that it has regular chakra though. It's Tailed Beast Bomb was blocked by Truth-Seeking Spheres, which obviously means something.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Dude, no...lol, It's alright.



It's either they are one in the same or they are mixed together to make Senjutsu. No reason why they'd be separate.

Kurama stated that it's made out of nature energy, yes. That doesn't toss that it has regular chakra though. It's Tailed Beast Bomb was blocked by Truth-Seeking Spheres, which obviously means something.

Lack of access to the Bijuu's chakra individually. Sasuke with the "Holy Tree" would have the Juubi, and Six Paths Senjutsu.

I've explained this before so I'll explain it again to make this abundantly clear.

For all intents and purposes Madara's EMS PS > Sasuke's EMS PS.

Sasuke's Rikudou PS >>>>>>>> Madara's EMS PS.

Now this is where the deduction starts. Sasuke's Rikudou PS was EQUAL to a Rikudou Senjutsu Kurama Avatar against Naruto. Correct? And Naruto has superior Senjutsu to Madara as the databook (and feats really) have shown. When he took in the Bijuu's, his PS was far above any normal avatar. And only Ashura's Avatar was portrayed equal. So it stands to reason that if Naruto's Avatar, which was already PS level (blocked Juubi laser so would easily go toe to toe with Madara's PS) and it's Senjutsu boost was only equal to Sasuke's PS, then Bijuu PS is the peak, and Madara's PS even as a Jin would only be in between the strength of Sasuke's pre Bijuu PS and Bijuu PS. Not equal (since if with a superior Senjutsu boost, Bijuu PS was above).

At best, Madara's PS would be in between Sasuke's Rikudou PS and his Bijuu PS, but still below the Bijuu PS. He doesn't have access to the Bijuu's separately and thus, can't replicate the technique.

JJ have Bijuus chakra and senjutsu seperate and here is proof

1 . Here Obito stole senjutsu chakra from Madara and with that he create TSB stick

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2. after that :Here Obito is stealing seperate Bijuus chakra

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3. Madara himself distinguish Senjutsu from Bijuus chakra. "He said you stole senjutsu chakra too" SO he stole both senjutsu and bijuus chakra seperately

Here are both translations

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So as we can see Madara susanoo would be manifestation of Bijuus chakra and senjutsu chakra.

Again Juubi = Bijuus chakra + Nature energy (probably Gedo Mazo has something with that)