[VS] Kisame vs Tobirama

[TheAncientCenturion]

I enjoyed the part where the blacksketball player traveled around the court, then threw the ball only for the taller guy to intercept it and get the second down. Very exciting stuff.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

I enjoyed the part where the blacksketball player traveled around the court, then threw the ball only for the taller guy to intercept it and get the second down. Very exciting stuff.

Mayne, Kentucky is a team full of insanely athletic and fast black guys who just lost to a bunch of white dudes.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Mayne, Kentucky is a team full of insanely athletic and fast black guys who just lost to a bunch of white dudes.

Holy shit, really? What? Wait, what?

White people won a game of basket ball?!

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Holy shit, really? What? Wait, what?

White people won a game of basket ball?!

I guess I was lying. There were two black dudes on the winning team.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I guess I was lying. There were two black dudes on the winning team.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Man, I'm counting this as a victory for white people in athleticism. We're sweeping that little fact under the rug.

 

[Zexion~]

Lol this isnt a theory. When Minato chakra was touching

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(Make sure if read these 3 scans)

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Tobirama

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teleported

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manually without needing to physically touch them (since his chakra was connect to Kurama cloak).

Manga refutes anything you have to say for this case. And for the last time, Tobirama does not need to warp out of bounce, he can warp something or someone else out of bounce without needing himself to teleport.

I guess I kind of see what you're saying although its completely useless here as Kisame's WD is infused with his own chakra, so tobirama can't FTG it anywhere. Also don't use FCD as back up to this theory please Lol. Yeah he can't FTG something that doesn't have his chakra so he's not doing shit to WD, not has he even shown to ever do that I don't believe. Despite when it would be handy

If Kisame manages to spit his water dome out before he gets blitzed and killed, Tobirama can easily create shadow clones, and have them all use water dragons and water jets (Suiton: Suidanha) to propel them in different directions and out of that large mass of water. Kisame's 1,000 sharks are all made out of water so they aren't swimming faster than the water dragons can underwater since they're all affected by fluid resistance. The key thing here is that Tobirama has a headstart; Kisame creates his sharks near himself and he is located at the epicenter of the dome. If the real Tobirama isn't able to get himself out first, he can teleport to a clone that does.

For those dicussing Gojō Kibaku Fuda, the 4th Databook strongly hints that he can use it without Edo Tensei:



- It says that he created this technique for the purpose of combining it with Edo Tensei; that doesn't at all imply that he is confined to using it with Edo Tensei only.

- If a live person can do it, then shadow clones can as well since they're just replicas of live people and they have been shown to be able to bleed and take damage without disappearing.

- Tobirama shows how the jutsu works

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(pay close attention to Tobirama in the top right panel). He

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and takes them out. Without ET, he probably has another means of providing the paper and marking them if he can use it alive, which is the real reason for the technique's DC, not the amount of paper the edos have.

You are using quite alot of DB hype lately despite you criticizing it in the past my man.

Anyways that whole first strategy is wrong because Kisame's chakra is infused with the water. Not to mention what exactly will water dragons do? Kisame can make clones himself which swim ten times faster then any of Tobirama's rip them all to shreds and even send a clone after the original tobirama to be wary of FTG tagging. Which in turn ends him.

Tobirama's hyped speed could give him the win if he blitzes immediately though Lol but if WD or even a normal suiton is used Kisame takes this with Relative difficulty.

Actually no Kisame always wins, he can heal from a sword blitz, and if Tobirama doesn't have intel I don't see why he would opt to tag him instead of going for the killing blow.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

You are using quite alot of DB hype lately despite you criticizing it in the past my man.

The databook says a lot of things that are right and it says a lot of things that are wrong. That all depends on context and circumstance as well as manga events. That databook entry wasn't hype either, it's just a description, unlike other entries where Raikiri can "cut through everything" or Yata "blocks everything".

Anyways that whole first strategy is wrong because Kisame's chakra is infused with the water. Not to mention what exactly will water dragons do? Kisame can make clones himself which swim ten times faster then any of Tobirama's rip them all to shreds and even send a clone after the original tobirama to be wary of FTG tagging. Which in turn ends him.

If you're referring to Kisame having his clones merge with the Samehada that is not happening. 10% Kisame isn't using Kisame's top form. The water dragons swim bruh. I guess Kisame just knows who the original Tobirama is because you say so; not like shadow clones split an user's chakra evenly

Tobirama's hyped speed could give him the win if he blitzes immediately though but if WD or even a normal suiton is used Kisame takes this with Relative difficulty. Actually no Kisame always wins, he can heal from a sword blitz, and if Tobirama doesn't have intel I don't see why he would opt to tag him instead of going for the killing blow.

Except that a slash to the throat or face will kill Kisame. Except that the Samehada isn't healing a dismembered arm or head. Tobirama is one of the most intelligent fighters and analyzers in the manga so him taking note of that giant sentient sword with chakra isn't out of the question at all.

@Bolded: The only reason why this match is debatable is because of the WD. Same case with golden boy, so lets get this wank out of here. Please.

 

[Zexion~]

The databook says a lot of things that are right and it says a lot of things that are wrong. That all depends on context and circumstance as well as manga events. That databook entry wasn't hype either, it's just a description, unlike other entries where Raikiri can "cut through everything" or Yata "blocks everything".

Lol no just manga events, context and circumstance? Both can be subjectively viewed so it would be pointless.

If you're referring to Kisame having his clones merge with the Samehada that is not happening. 10% Kisame isn't using Kisame's top form

What? Its two chakra's merged into each other Lol Samehada's and Kisame's the clones mirror that just like Naruto's clone WITH the 9 tails chakra instead of just turning into base whenever he uses shadow clones. Please man you're killing me.

The water dragons swim bruh. I guess Kisame just knows who the original Tobirama is because you say so; not like shadow clones split an user's chakra evenly

Do people not realize that without a cover its pretty easy to see who the real one is? He'd be upon him himself or send a clone before he could mix it up. Forget if sensing can sense clones or not but there is that.

He's not making Water Dragons but I don't see how they would help because they can swim...

Except that a slash to the throat or face will kill Kisame. Except that the Samehada isn't healing a dismembered arm or head. Tobirama is one of the most intelligent fighters and analyzers in the manga so him taking note of that giant sentient sword with chakra isn't out of the question at all.

Pretty sure you can't sense the sword's chakra movements. Hence why it was able to infiltrate despite feeding Kisame chakra, along with Neji never really noting it despite having the ability to see chakra and its movement.

@Bolded: The only reason why this match is debatable is because of the WD. Same case with golden boy, so lets get this wank out of here. Please.

Any large scale suiton negates the blitz was what I was saying .-. which is the only way Tobirama wins.

Golden boy? As in Minato? No shit

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Lol no just manga events, context and circumstance? Both can be subjectively viewed so it would be pointless

It'd be pointless for someone who has shit reading comprehension and a poor interpretation of what happened or what was said.

What? Its two chakra's merged into each other Lol Samehada's and Kisame's the clones mirror that just like Naruto's clone WITH the 9 tails chakra instead of just turning into base whenever he uses shadow clones. Please man you're killing me.

Convenient of you to leave out the part where shadow clones divide chakra evenly and are actually replicas of the original unlike water clones which are just water. 50% >>>>> 10%. Please man you're killing me.

Do people not realize that without a cover its pretty easy to see who the real one is? He'd be upon him himself or send a clone before he could mix it up. Forget if sensing can sense clones or not but there is that.

He's not making Water Dragons but I don't see how they would help because they can swim...

Too bad that they can mix and split themselves, that way he'll lose track of the real one. By your logic I suppose Mū should have killed Ōnoki easily during their because he could see the real one making iwa bunshins. Guess what? He didn't

...water dragons can't swim, everybody. They can't move. There it is.

Literally, Kisame's chakra infused water is still just water. That's not going to stop Tobirama from kneading his own chakra onto it. Ay kneaded his own chakra onto Mei's water dragon in their fight against Madara to form that lightning water dragon collab tech.

Pretty sure you can't sense the sword's chakra movements. Hence why it was able to infiltrate despite feeding Kisame chakra, along with Neji never really noting it despite having the ability to see chakra and its movement.

Kisame hid himself inside of the Samehada and they have the same signature. In this case, they are two separate entities, so Tobirama will sense more than one source of Kisame's chakra signature.

Any large scale suiton negates the blitz was what I was saying .-. which is the only way Tobirama wins.

Golden boy? As in Minato? No shit

Large scale suitons? Like 1,000 sharks? That gets casually evaded outside the WD. Casually.

 

[Zexion~]

It'd be pointless for someone who has shit reading comprehension and a poor interpretation of what happened or what was said.

Oh my was that supposed to be directed towards someone in particular.

Convenient of you to leave out the part where shadow clones divide chakra evenly and are actually replicas of the original unlike water clones which are just water. Please man you're killing me.

So you're underrating the jutsu due to its elemental property? Convinent of you to dis-regard that 10% bull shit Lol which made no sense what so ever

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Yeah...Moving on

Too bad that they can mix and split themselves, that way he'll lose track of the real one. By your logic I suppose Mū should have killed Ōnoki easily during their because he could see the real one making iwa bunshins. Guess what? He didn't

You mean Onoki who can zoom around in the air? No shit? But Tobirama underwater isn't moving anywhere fast especially not with a sensor directly focusing on him. He gets ripped to shreds or his chakra absorbed.

...water dragons can't swim, everybody. They can't move. There it is.

You're making no sense here my man

Literally, Kisame's chakra infused water is still just water. That's not going to stop Tobirama from kneading his own chakra onto it. Ay kneaded his own chakra onto Mei's water dragon in their fight against Madara to form that lightning water dragon collab tech.

What? He used his raiton armor onto the dragon? There is a difference between combining jutsu and then using ones physical form and chakra to form a new jutsu Lol. As I posted in the other thread; Kisame is constantly manipulating the chakra in the WD to keep him at the center of it allowing for no escape for the opponent and maintaining its size so his chakra is already in it and most likely is continuing to adjust it.

Not that it matters as again, that's like saying someone with the similar affinity can merely control a jutsu fired at them which I think any person who's read a chapter of this manga would realize is incorrect cant knead chakra into something that has already been kneaded. That simple.

Now you realize if Tobirama showed he can use this without the need of a water source then of course he can create his own but he's not using the water inside the WD and its questionable if the clones could do the same if he creates so many. But again Water Dragon is tanked if used as an attack and I hope you're not insinuating that he can ride it out of the WD...

Kisame hid himself inside of the Samehada and they have the same signature. In this case, they are two separate entities, so Tobirama will sense more than one source of Kisame's chakra signature.

He didn't hide himself he merged himself inside of Samehada, giving them similar chakra signatures yes however again Neji noticed nothing at all.

Largescale suitons? Like 1,000 sharks? That gets casually evaded outside the WD. Casually.

What? No the ones he uses to transform the battlefield into a lake of his choice which then allows him to casually drop into the depths to avoid a blitz if one should ever get the chance to be performed. Although evading 1000 sharks still negates a blitz so I don't see your point Lol, not to mention they would continue to pressure Tobirama until he ultimately gets rid of them for good which unfortunately for him he doesn't really have such high scale jutsu to counter with.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Oh my was that supposed to be directed towards someone in particular.

Nah.

So you're underrating the jutsu due to its elemental property? Convinent of you to dis-regard that 10% bull shit Lol which made no sense what so ever

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Water clones canonically only have 10% of the original's power which is what I was referring to, and shadow clones have 50%.

It's also canon that water clones are made of water

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So yeah. Shadow clones >>>>> Water clones. Bad comparison on your part. Kisame's clones aren't using his top form.

Moving on...

You mean Onoki who can zoom around in the air? No shit? But Tobirama underwater isn't moving anywhere fast especially not with a sensor directly focusing on him. He gets ripped to shreds or his chakra absorbed.

I'll dumb this down for you, like I always have to.

Tobirama makes shadow clones and has them all use water dragons. He uses those water dragons which have been shown to move quickly in the air in canon to propel him outside of the dome. Kisame won't know who the real Tobirama is because shadow clones split an user's chakra evenly. The one option he has to try and catch Tobirama is sending his sharks. Those sharks are made of water and have fluid resistance acting upon them. So do the water dragons. Except that Tobirama has a head start to those sharks since he's closer to the edge than Kisame is, and Kisame creates those sharks near him at the center of the dome.

Conprende?

What? He used his raiton armor onto the dragon? There is a difference between combining jutsu and then using ones physical form and chakra to form a new jutsu Lol. As I posted in the other thread; Kisame is constantly manipulating the chakra in the WD to keep him at the center of it allowing for no escape for the opponent and maintaining its size so his chakra is already in it and most likely is continuing to adjust it.

Too bad that there's no inherent property that the water has that would prevent Tobirama from forming his technique. If he can knead chakra onto something, then he can manipulate it.

Kakashi used some of Zabuza's chakra infused water to create his own water technique. If you want scans, go to the Gengetsu vs Kisame thread and look at one of my replies to TheAncientCenturion. You'll find them there.

Not that it matters as again, that's like saying someone with the similar affinity can merely control a jutsu fired at them which I think any person who's read a chapter of this manga would realize is incorrect cant knead chakra into something that has already been kneaded. That simple.

Bolded: The way you worded this is flawed. Ay kneaded his chakra onto something that was already kneaded.

Now you realize if Tobirama showed he can use this without the need of a water source then of course he can create his own but he's not using the water inside the WD and its questionable if the clones could do the same if he creates so many. But again Water Dragon is tanked if used as an attack and I hope you're not insinuating that he can ride it out of the WD...

He can use it to propel himself out of the dome. We've seen that Kisame can ride inside his water shark, and that jutsu is not very different from the water dragon since they are both variations of the same justsu. Their real names are water shark bullet and water dragon bullet. The only difference is the shape manipulation. We saw that Madara was pushed back by Mei's water dragon and was inside of it for a period of time.

He didn't hide himself he merged himself inside of Samehada, giving them similar chakra signatures yes however again Neji noticed nothing at all.

The fact that he merged himself doesn't change my point at all. He was still hidden inside the Samehada. Use whatever term you want, doesn't change my point.

Neji only saw chakra within Kisame and that rendition of the Samehada and they had the same chakra signature. The way the Byakugan works isn't like how sensing works whereas the Byakugan would have a harder time distinguishing clones with lower chakra levels than a highly skilled sensor like Tobirama and Mu.

What? No the ones he uses to transform the battlefield into a lake of his choice which then allows him to casually drop into the depths to avoid a blitz if one should ever get the chance to be performed. Although evading 1000 sharks still negates a blitz so I don't see your point Lol, not to mention they would continue to pressure Tobirama until he ultimately gets rid of them for good which unfortunately for him he doesn't really have such high scale jutsu to counter with.

Doing that is a good way to get himself killed since he needs to spit out a massive amount of water first, leaving him open for a blitz. Unless there is a water source present and they're standing on top of it, then Kisame can just place his hand on the water and create the 1,000 sharks, which would detain a blitz, but that technique isn't touching Tobirama.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Mayne, Kentucky is a team full of insanely athletic and fast black guys who just lost to a bunch of white dudes.

That's dat Big Ten

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I'll go with kisame

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Kisame shits.

FTG kunais sink to the bottom of water while Kisame fuses and drowns Tobirama with water dome.

Lord Unorthodox, can Kisame beat Tobirama and golden boy at the same time?

 

[Zexion~]

I'm actually rather enjoying the little shots here Lol hope you're not taking them personally my man

Water clones canonically only have 10% of the original's power which is what I was referring to, and shadow clones have 50%.

Can you post a link to where it states they only have 10% ? Nothing states that in the DB which is sketchy enough in itself. However it doesn't really matter Kisame's power has nothing to do with him being merged they still garner the ability to swim faster then any other shinobi in the manga, and they still absorb chakra.

It's also canon that water clones are made of water

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So yeah. Shadow clones >>>>> Water clones. Bad comparison on your part. Kisame's clones aren't using his top form.

What is this top form nonsense you keep spouting? First off 10% of Kisame is most certainly not easy, as his chakra far surpasses that of any other normal shinobi. Second its not his "top form" its him merging with Samehada which he can then clone Lol nothing fancy about it that's how it works. It doesn't take more or less chakra for him to do this, and when they merge their chakra becomes one as has been stated in the manga.. so he can clone it easily

I'll dumb this down for you, like I always have to.

Lol

Tobirama makes shadow clones and has them all use water dragons. He uses those water dragons which have been shown to move quickly in the air in canon to propel him outside of the dome.

This makes absolutely no sense? How will this propel him out of the water dome? Are you trying to say he's going to ride the dragon? That's cute this isn't the Never Ending Story my man please stick to canon.

Kisame won't know who the real Tobirama is because shadow clones split an user's chakra evenly. The one option he has to try and catch Tobirama is sending his sharks.

Except you've said nothing but your own false opinion on disproving him being able to clone while fused which again let me put it in basic terms like I always must for you

-They're chakra becomes one when merged

-Clones maintain the abilities of the original which means the ability to merge/absorb chakra

-10% you still haven't showed me where this was applied... but either way 10% of Kisame means he can still summon 100 sharks each way Lol as when full he can use 1000 incase you don't know basic math.

Kisame will have no problem remaining locked on the original tobirama also scan of him even using this many clones?

Those sharks are made of water and have fluid resistance acting upon them. So do the water dragons. Except that Tobirama has a head start to those sharks since he's closer to the edge than Kisame is, and Kisame creates those sharks near him at the center of the dome.

Clearly you don't know much about ... any basic subject in school reading comprehension, math and now physics and anatomy? What do you think fins provide for fish? Fluid Resistance/Drag but in the water is then lessened heavily due to the anatomical structure's of fish? So the sharks have a distinct advantage there. That's the difference between swimming and jettisoning through the water.

But again Kisame is here and he has clones. Tobirama I don't think has showed that great a use of clones numbers wise... unless I missed something in the final fight Lol so this shouldn't be much of a problem.

Conprende?

Lol.... using comprende without the "s" is used when talking to an elder or one superior than you just a little tip.

Too bad that there's no inherent property that the water has that would prevent Tobirama from forming his technique. If he can knead chakra onto something, then he can manipulate it.

Oh my god... It has nothing to do with it being water and everything to do with being created 100% from Kisame's own chakra which means you can't knead anymore chakra into it as it contains Kisame's honestly, if you're going to keep arguing this then you need to please learn how the Basic of the Basic chakra rules works Lol.

Kakashi used some of Zabuza's chakra infused water to create his own water technique.

Uhm no he didn't? If you're referring to the lake they were standing on it was not something that Zabuza himself had created? He was just using it for his own suitons.

Bolded: The way you worded this is flawed. Ay kneaded his chakra onto something that was already kneaded.

Nope, he created raiton element and had it armor the suiton. He didn't knead his chakra into anything but his own raiton which he then placed onto the Suiton. Only thing flawed here is your reasoning as it usually is Lol

He can use it to propel himself out of the dome. We've seen that Kisame can ride inside his water shark, and that jutsu is not very different from the water dragon since they are both variations of the same justsu. Their real names are water shark bullet and water dragon bullet. The only difference is the shape manipulation. We saw that Madara was pushed back by Mei's water dragon and was inside of it for a period of time.

Lol so a few things here one he wasn't riding the shark bullet at all, he was within it.

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so because it has the same ending its automatically similar? Nothing supports this except for bias. Yes Madara was hit with the jutsu and it caused quite some damage to him if i'm not mistaken. Okay so i'll break down your plan in your own words so you can see how ... not smart it is

-Tobirama creates clones while underwater while Kisame sits there and watches him do so, despite him having the advantage in speed

-Those clones then use Water Dragon (which isn't that quick of a jutsu) by using Kisame's own suiton (which is impossible btw)

-He then attacks himself with the water dragon dealing heavy damage while not even outspeeding Kisame in the first place so its useless.

The fact that he merged himself doesn't change my point at all. He was still hidden inside the Samehada. Use whatever term you want, doesn't change my point.

Lol I was agreeing with you on that point.

Neji only saw chakra within Kisame and that rendition of the Samehada and they had the same chakra signature. The way the Byakugan works isn't like how sensing works whereas the Byakugan would have a harder time distinguishing clones with lower chakra levels than a highly skilled sensor like Tobirama and Mu.

They don't have the same signature though unless they merge? So Neji should have been able to distinguish that

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But he couldn't.... This wasn't even about distinguishing clones so I don't know why you brought that up at all Lol.

Doing that is a good way to get himself killed since he needs to spit out a massive amount of water first, leaving him open for a blitz. Unless there is a water source present and they're standing on top of it, then Kisame can just place his hand on the water and create the 1,000 sharks, which would detain a blitz, but that technique isn't touching Tobirama.

You're the one who said he would evade the 1000 sharks. I'm saying if he uses that Suiton before Tobirama decides to blitz then any blitz is thereafter negated although Kisame reacted to a 6 gate guy.... I don't see him completely being stand-still blitzed by Tobirama here. He can at the very least alter his body so the wound isn't so sever and Samehada can heal from it.

 

[Abomination]

Tobirama shits. He got behind Juubito. Tell me if Kisame comes close to that.

 

[Desiigner]

I'm actually rather enjoying the little shots here Lol hope you're not taking them personally my man



Can you post a link to where it states they only have 10% ? Nothing states that in the DB which is sketchy enough in itself. However it doesn't really matter Kisame's power has nothing to do with him being merged they still garner the ability to swim faster then any other shinobi in the manga, and they still absorb chakra.



What is this top form nonsense you keep spouting? First off 10% of Kisame is most certainly not easy, as his chakra far surpasses that of any other normal shinobi. Second its not his "top form" its him merging with Samehada which he can then clone Lol nothing fancy about it that's how it works. It doesn't take more or less chakra for him to do this, and when they merge their chakra becomes one as has been stated in the manga.. so he can clone it easily





Lol



This makes absolutely no sense? How will this propel him out of the water dome? Are you trying to say he's going to ride the dragon? That's cute this isn't the Never Ending Story my man please stick to canon.



Except you've said nothing but your own false opinion on disproving him being able to clone while fused which again let me put it in basic terms like I always must for you

-They're chakra becomes one when merged

-Clones maintain the abilities of the original which means the ability to merge/absorb chakra

-10% you still haven't showed me where this was applied... but either way 10% of Kisame means he can still summon 100 sharks each way Lol as when full he can use 1000 incase you don't know basic math.

Kisame will have no problem remaining locked on the original tobirama also scan of him even using this many clones?





Clearly you don't know much about ... any basic subject in school reading comprehension, math and now physics and anatomy? What do you think fins provide for fish? Fluid Resistance/Drag but in the water is then lessened heavily due to the anatomical structure's of fish? So the sharks have a distinct advantage there. That's the difference between swimming and jettisoning through the water.

But again Kisame is here and he has clones. Tobirama I don't think has showed that great a use of clones numbers wise... unless I missed something in the final fight Lol so this shouldn't be much of a problem.



Lol.... using comprende without the "s" is used when talking to an elder or one superior than you just a little tip.




Oh my god... It has nothing to do with it being water and everything to do with being created 100% from Kisame's own chakra which means you can't knead anymore chakra into it as it contains Kisame's honestly, if you're going to keep arguing this then you need to please learn how the Basic of the Basic chakra rules works Lol.



Uhm no he didn't? If you're referring to the lake they were standing on it was not something that Zabuza himself had created? He was just using it for his own suitons.




Nope, he created raiton element and had it armor the suiton. He didn't knead his chakra into anything but his own raiton which he then placed onto the Suiton. Only thing flawed here is your reasoning as it usually is Lol




Lol so a few things here one he wasn't riding the shark bullet at all, he was within it.

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so because it has the same ending its automatically similar? Nothing supports this except for bias. Yes Madara was hit with the jutsu and it caused quite some damage to him if i'm not mistaken. Okay so i'll break down your plan in your own words so you can see how ... not smart it is

-Tobirama creates clones while underwater while Kisame sits there and watches him do so, despite him having the advantage in speed

-Those clones then use Water Dragon (which isn't that quick of a jutsu) by using Kisame's own suiton (which is impossible btw)

-He then attacks himself with the water dragon dealing heavy damage while not even outspeeding Kisame in the first place so its useless.





Lol I was agreeing with you on that point.



They don't have the same signature though unless they merge? So Neji should have been able to distinguish that

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But he couldn't.... This wasn't even about distinguishing clones so I don't know why you brought that up at all Lol.






You're the one who said he would evade the 1000 sharks. I'm saying if he uses that Suiton before Tobirama decides to blitz then any blitz is thereafter negated although Kisame reacted to a 6 gate guy.... I don't see him completely being stand-still blitzed by Tobirama here. He can at the very least alter his body so the wound isn't so sever and Samehada can heal from it.

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Kisame shits on Tobirama.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I guess I kind of see what you're saying although its completely useless here as Kisame's WD is infused with his own chakra, so tobirama can't FTG it anywhere. Also don't use FCD as back up to this theory please Lol. Yeah he can't FTG something that doesn't have his chakra so he's not doing shit to WD, not has he even shown to ever do that I don't believe. Despite when it would be handy

If you see what Im saying then you wouldn't be ignoring manga. As manga made it clear that if something or someone is touching the user or their chakra, they can warp it, fact. If I were to use your logic all attacks from the opponent is infused with the opponents chakra, therefore the ftg user should not be able to warp the opponents attacks. As I post many many times. FTG works as long as it TOUCHING the USERS CHAKRA.

Thats just outright denying, not ignoring, denying manga.

I have no idea what FCD means.

Manga makes it clear that WD passively absorbs chakra.

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This outright shows that WD is TOUCHING his opponents chakra and theres no denying if it will be wrapped.

 

[Zexion~]

If you see what Im saying then you wouldn't be ignoring manga. As manga made it clear that if something or someone is touching the user or their chakra, they can warp it, fact. If I were to use your logic all attacks from the opponent is infused with the opponents chakra, therefore the ftg user should not be able to warp the opponents attacks. As I post many many times. FTG works as long as it TOUCHING the USERS CHAKRA.

Thats just outright denying, not ignoring, denying manga.

I have no idea what FCD means.

Manga makes it clear that WD passively absorbs chakra.

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This outright shows that WD is TOUCHING his opponents chakra and theres no denying if it will be wrapped.

I agree with you except about the WD I was just looking at that scan it clearly means that:

-Bee was using Hachibi chakra so Cee sensed that

-Kisame used the chakra he absorbed from Bee to form the WD, but he doesn't have to

So no WD isn't getting transported by FTG...but if absorbed chakra still technically belongs to the owner then he can just FTG Samehada or Kisame away which is the only way Tobirama can win.

 

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Bee was using Hachibi chakra so Cee sensed that

Nitpicking doesn't disprove my point

-Kisame used the chakra he absorbed from Bee to form the WD, but he doesn't have to

Nitpicking doesn't disprove my point. Kisame makes it clear how WD works.

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So no WD isn't getting transported by FTG...but if absorbed chakra still technically belongs to the owner then he can just FTG Samehada or Kisame away which is the only way Tobirama can win.

Yes it is since it touching Tobirama and his chakra. Interesting that you mention Kisame being warpped away. Honestly he can do either or. Warp the Dome away or Kisame away from the Dome.