[VS] Kisame vs Tobirama

[Brother Numpsay]

:| Wait what makes you think he tagged it? How would he warp the whole WD exactly?

Did you read the scans? Tobirama touch Hashirama, so they both can be warped to their face monument. As long as something is touching the caster's chakra he can warp it[

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[TRE MERCER]

Who said anything about ftg being sealing on WD?

I said the ftg is sealed in Tobirama's own monument face. WD is touching Tobirama's chakra so he warps the water to ftg location

How would Water dome be touching his chakra? Also this is a vs Battle not the manga there is no ftg outside the BF sorry sir.​

lol wtf. Tobirama > Izuna = MS Madz but Kisame wins? LOL.

Kisame would spank MS Madara as well.​

 

[Zexion~]

Did you read the scans? Tobirama touch Hashirama, so they both can be warped to their face monument. As long as something is touching the caster's chakra he can warp it[

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Oh shit nah I overlooked that but I don't see what you're saying about him bringing the WD there.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How would Water dome be touching his chakra?​

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Also this is a vs Battle not the manga there is no ftg outside the BF sorry sir.

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Which is why I said if its allowed, considering it was always there (time line wise) in the manga.

Oh shit nah I overlooked that but I don't see what you're saying about him bringing the WD there.

Its not difficult to understand. FTG not only works moving the caster from point A to B. He can simply have something or someone else move from point A to B.

So Water Dome, at Point A simply goes to point B (outside the battlefield)

 

[TRE MERCER]

Who said anything about ftg being sealing on WD?

I said the ftg is sealed in Tobirama's own monument face. WD is touching Tobirama's chakra so he warps the water to ftg location

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Which is why I said if its allowed, considering it was always there (time line wise) in the manga.

It's not.....​

 

[New Dawn]

Hidan solos Kisame!

:bdpf:

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It's not.....​

Its not what?

 

[super yang]

Kisame wins

lake water negates the utilty of ftg & 100 sharks in the lake negate the utilioty of shadow clones.
and generic sword loses to samehada. kisame will outlast tobirama

 

[Zexion~]

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Which is why I said if its allowed, considering it was always there (time line wise) in the manga.



Its not difficult to understand. FTG not only works moving the caster from point A to B. He can simply have something or someone else move from point A to B.

So Water Dome, at Point A simply goes to point B (outside the battlefield)

Lol you and your outlandish theories. No if anything it brings a coating of water with him, but that's still a retreat so he loses

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol you and your outlandish theories. No if anything it brings a coating of water with him, but that's still a retreat so he loses

Lol this isnt a theory. When Minato chakra was touching

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(Make sure if read these 3 scans)

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Tobirama

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teleported

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manually without needing to physically touch them (since his chakra was connect to Kurama cloak).

Manga refutes anything you have to say for this case. And for the last time, Tobirama does not need to warp out of bounce, he can warp something or someone else out of bounce without needing himself to teleport.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Tobirama wins mid diff.

 

[New Dawn]

Tobirama wins mid diff.

A Kisame fan who admits that Kisame loses.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

A Kisame fan who admits that Kisame loses.

I don't see him not getting tagged at some point in the battle, and Tobirama not exploiting that to launch a surprise attack or aim to DP him with clones.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

If Kisame manages to spit his water dome out before he gets blitzed and killed, Tobirama can easily create shadow clones, and have them all use water dragons and water jets (Suiton: Suidanha) to propel them in different directions and out of that large mass of water. Kisame's 1,000 sharks are all made out of water so they aren't swimming faster than the water dragons can underwater since they're all affected by fluid resistance. The key thing here is that Tobirama has a headstart; Kisame creates his sharks near himself and he is located at the epicenter of the dome. If the real Tobirama isn't able to get himself out first, he can teleport to a clone that does.

For those dicussing Gojō Kibaku Fuda, the 4th Databook strongly hints that he can use it without Edo Tensei:

Mutually Multiplying Explosive Tags (互乗起爆札, Gojō Kibaku Fuda)

Heading: Relentlessly violent detonations of explosion tags. Reducing even tough armours to dust.

Tags that summon more tags that then explode - a special explosion tag. The Second Hokage developed this for the purpose of combining it with “Edo Tensei”. Upon ACTIVATION, due to the devastating (terribly violent) explosions, it is highly probable that the technique-caster will be caught in it. If a live PERSON performs the technique, death is inevitable, for it is a blast technique that sacrifices one’s life (body).

↑ The timing for the invocation (activation) of the technique is crucial. A surprise attack will demonstrate absolute (certain, guaranteed) results.

← At the end of hitting the target (enemy), even if reduced to pieces of flesh (meat confetti), the explosions CONTINUE… The thunderous roar of the explosions speaks for that attack’s brutality (severity).

- It says that he created this technique for the purpose of combining it with Edo Tensei; that doesn't at all imply that he is confined to using it with Edo Tensei only.

- If a live person can do it, then shadow clones can as well since they're just replicas of live people and they have been shown to be able to bleed and take damage without disappearing.

- Tobirama shows how the jutsu works

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and takes them out. Without ET, he probably has another means of providing the paper and marking them if he can use it alive, which is the real reason for the technique's DC, not the amount of paper the edos have.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

Fastest man of his time, of course will mark kisame. Then giri slash through neck and then suidanha to cut kisame body in half.

Speed of Hiraiashin and Shunshin too much for kisame. Just like how Ei and Bee blitz him before he can make hand sign, tobirama will do same.

 

[Gold Lightning]

If Kisame manages to spit his water dome out before he gets blitzed and killed, Tobirama can easily create shadow clones, and have them all use water dragons and water jets (Suiton: Suidanha) to propel them in different directions and out of that large mass of water. Kisame's 1,000 sharks are all made out of water so they aren't swimming faster than the water dragons can underwater since they're all affected by fluid resistance. The key thing here is that Tobirama has a headstart; Kisame creates his sharks near himself and he is located at the epicenter of the dome. If the real Tobirama isn't able to get himself out first, he can teleport to a clone that does.

For those dicussing Gojō Kibaku Fuda, the 4th Databook strongly hints that he can use it without Edo Tensei:



- It says that he created this technique for the purpose of combining it with Edo Tensei; that doesn't at all imply that he is confined to using it with Edo Tensei only.

- If a live person can do it, then shadow clones can as well since they're just replicas of live people and they have been shown to be able to bleed and take damage without disappearing.

- Tobirama shows how the jutsu works

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(pay close attention to Tobirama in the top right panel). He

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and takes them out. Without ET, he probably has another means of providing the paper and marking them if he can use it alive, which is the real reason for the technique's DC, not the amount of paper the edos have.

You're wrong about gojou. It cannot be used without Edo tensei without sacrificing ones self. It says it right there. "If a LIVE person performs the technique, death is inevitable, for it is a blast technique that sacrifices one’s life (body).

Therez no way around it, even with clones. If there was, Tobirama wouldn't need to combine it with Edo tensei. Some techniques can't be performed with clones in the manga. So don't assume this one can, especially when we've never seen the jutsu performed by a live person. We don't know all the mechanics and requirements of the jutsu.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

You're wrong about gojou. It cannot be used without Edo tensei without sacrificing ones self. It says it right there. "If a LIVE person performs the technique, death is inevitable, for it is a blast technique that sacrifices one’s life (body).

Therez no way around it, even with clones. If there was, Tobirama wouldn't need to combine it with Edo tensei. Some techniques can't be performed with clones in the manga. So don't assume this one can, especially when we've never seen the jutsu performed by a live person. We don't know all the mechanics and requirements of the jutsu.

I already addressed this in my original post. Nowhere in the databook does it imply that Tobirama absolutely needs to combine it with Edo Tensei as I already explained. Sacrificing a live body can be applied to a shadow clone which is just a live body replica. That refers to the need for a body to execute the jutsu and sacrifice him or herself.

Tobirama's words, actions, and the databook all clearly state how the jutsu works. Perhaps its something that you aren't understanding.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I already addressed this in my original post. Nowhere in the databook does it imply that Tobirama absolutely needs to combine it with Edo Tensei as I already explained. Sacrificing a live body can be applied to a shadow clone which is just a live body replica. That refers to the need for a body to execute the jutsu and sacrifice him or herself.

Tobirama's words, actions, and the databook all clearly state how the jutsu works. Perhaps its something that you aren't understanding.

Don't really wanna argue, it says it right there. If clones could be use, the databook wouldn't have said INEVITABLE DEATH. Nothing you say will change that. It's a classified suicide technique just like RDS. You can use clones for that too, but you'll still die.

Why didn't Naruto start using rasenshuriken with clones to avoid damage, after Tsuande told him not to use it again?

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[Unorthodox]

Kisame stomps

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Don't really wanna argue, it says it right there. If clones could be use, the databook wouldn't have said INEVITABLE DEATH. Nothing you say will change that. It's a classified suicide technique just like RDS. You can use clones for that too, but you'll still die.

Why didn't Naruto start using rasenshuriken with clones to avoid damage, after Tsuande told him not to use it again?

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Shiki Fūjin and FRS couldn't be more completely different techniques to Gojō, so these comparisons are invalid. You don't have any basis for a point here, so what would you really have to argue?

Yeah, it's an inevitable death for whoever uses the technique and is caught inside the blast radius like the databook says. I guess I'll just spell it out to you again. Shadow clones are live replicas of real people. A sacrifice refers to the caster of the technique. If a shadow clone uses it, then the shadow clone is sacrificed.

Nowhere in the databook's description does it say that the technique is limited to using it with Edo Tensei. Tobirama created it for the purpose of combining it with Edo Tensei =/= Tobirama can only use it with Edo Tensei.

If you don't want to acknowledge that then that's your problem; I really don't care.

Hell of a Wisconsin-Kentucky game for anybody who watched it.