[VS] Minato vs. Deidara

[maniaoqan]

Is this base? So no BM bull shit or SM?

If so, Minato's only hope of winning is if he can blitz Deidara before he gets aerial which is very likely just saying that once Deidara goes air borne Minato cant compete

Minato still has Toads. They jump pretty high and their jumping speed is quite fast. Unless Deidara starts with C4 right the beginning he can't win assuming there is no intel of course. But since they're IC, Deidara shown the be use his jutsus in order.

 

[Zexion~]

Minato still has Toads. They jump pretty high and their jumping speed is quite fast. Unless Deidara starts with C4 right the beginning he can't win assuming there is no intel of course. But since they're IC, Deidara shown the be use his jutsus in order.

Toads which were taken out easily with one ST I know that force is applied greater to those with larger mass and such but still, explosions are similar

 

[maniaoqan]

Toads which were taken out easily with one ST I know that force is applied greater to those with larger mass and such but still, explosions are similar

Bunta can take care of small clay explosions with his Water Release Gunshot before they get to him. And when he jumps, Deidara can't prepare an explosion powerful enough to halt his Bunta's momentum in time. All Bunta needs is getting Minato close to him, Hiraishin will take care of the next.

 

[Lariatoo]

Huge Sasori fan, but Minato mid diffs them both.

 

[Zexion~]

Bunta can take care of small clay explosions with his Water Release Gunshot before they get to him. And when he jumps, Deidara can't prepare an explosion powerful enough to halt his Bunta's momentum in time. All Bunta needs is getting Minato close to him, Hiraishin will take care of the next.

Not really its hard to aim on a moving toad and don't forget they can only jump in one direction whereas Deidara can take off the moment the toad begins to jump. FTG isn't hitting someone aerial. Although this does mean C2 Dragon isn't an option for Deidara to use himself but he can still make the dragon and use it as a bomb itself, taking down any toad

Also water bullets <<< Doton structures

 

[maniaoqan]

Not really its hard to aim on a moving toad and don't forget they can only jump in one direction whereas Deidara can take off the moment the toad begins to jump. FTG isn't hitting someone aerial. Although this does mean C2 Dragon isn't an option for Deidara to use himself but he can still make the dragon and use it as a bomb itself, taking down any toad

Also water bullets <<< Doton structures

Minato's kunai isn't for hitting Deidara or his clay bird. Its enough as a teleportation location, and Minato can jump in the air after Bunta's jump and he can send a kunai midair perfectly.

Deidara's jutsus maybe Doton as a basic but their explosion causes fire which could be counted with Bunta's Water Gunshot. But don't let the name of Bunta's jutsu fool you, its definetly not a regular 'Gun' if you catching my drift.

Minato can always use FTG barrier for a larger scale explosion but fight would be over before it could escalate that much.

 

[Zexion~]

Minato's kunai isn't for hitting Deidara or his clay bird. Its enough as a teleportation location, and Minato can jump in the air after Bunta's jump and he can send a kunai midair perfectly.

Deidara's jutsus maybe Doton as a basic but their explosion causes fire which could be counted with Bunta's Water Gunshot. But don't let the name of Bunta's jutsu fool you, its definetly not a regular 'Gun' if you catching my drift.

Minato can always use FTG barrier for a larger scale explosion but fight would be over before it could escalate that much.

When the explosions happen they would be already at bunta though? Okay but again the kunai would already be in Deidaras dust

 

[makosheva7]

People trying to run through the 6 yet they ain't even from here :|

I jk, but Toronto > everywhere else.

OT: Minato absolutely stomps the first scenario. Shunshin feats from the War Arc (getting to the battlefield faster than everyone AND spreading the Kunai while teleporting the Juubi Bijuudama) give him more than enough speed to Shunshin close enough to Deidara in order to use FTG. He spreads the Kunai and throws one at Deidara. Deidara can try his best to destroy the one thrown at him, but Minato simply FTG's to another one and tosses it at Deidara again in the blink of an eye and eats a massive Rasengan to the face.

Adding Sasori doesn't do much since his only speed scaling is against Sakura and Chiyo. He gets blitzed before he can even think and then the first scenario repeats itself.

@Bold You know how that shit go fellow T-dot

 

[TheTailedSage]

Lol, a guy can dream.

As for all the people who think that Deidara stands a chance once he goes airborne....he obviously doesn't.


Loool. Minato used Hiraishin to take out the fodder rock Ninja that Kakashi used Chidori against, and you think he won't use it here? He would only use his signature technique when he's in immediate danger? Are we joking? This sounds like an attempt to stop Minato from kicking his shit in at the perfect opportunity.



Meh, not relevant though.



Lol, some humans in real life throw 30-40 m/s, and you think that Minato's Kunai won't cross 75m in a matter of seconds? Let's be serious here. He doesn't even need to get to Deidara before he gets in the air, he only needs to close the massive gap and then toss another Kunai and kill him.


It's always funny when people argue that the likes of Deidara stands a chance against Minato.

Really? your going to bring up the fodder rock ninja? its BECAUSE they are fodder ninja is why he would use FTG without any problems. And your also excluding the fact that when he used FTG with the fodder, he still used teamwork to seal the deal regardless. Also forgetting that he used it to sneak up behind the ninja whilst IN the woos where he isn't in plain sight. This fight takes place outside the woods so Minato wont be getting any surprise attacks in and especially from this distance. In a terrain like this, he would need prep to fully harness the skill of FTG. The Kunai at that stage was clearly already set up since he was able to use it. Notice that a normal kunai is in his hand at the time which means prep was already done. (Cant get the page, but look if you dont believe me)

Deidara going aerial is what decides the match from the get go. Even IF minato can warp through the air , Deidara would of figured out the ability of FTG because he would have to throw more than one kunai in order to catch him in the air. In the rare even he does catch him, clay clone is immanent.

Again. He's not going to dash into an opponent he knows nothing about unless they are 'fodder' . Even in the Ay fight he sread his kunai fist because he KNEW who he was dealing with and knew he would need a jutsu to boost his versatility. not to mention this is a forest so an even better advantage.
Even against obito he started off by running towards him normally to see what would be done, he did NOT use FTG. Once he analysed Kamui THEN he attacked.

You cant trash Deidara on the spot like that, clay cones are used if Minato does 'happen' to use FTG straight away. Deidara has shown he can react to shunshin speed.

...I promised myself i wouldnt come back here for a while... damn you KG

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Minato wins this low diff.

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

Minate low diff. Then mid high for the second

 

[KidGamer65]

Really? your going to bring up the fodder rock ninja? its BECAUSE they are fodder ninja is why he would use FTG without any problems. And your also excluding the fact that when he used FTG with the fodder, he still used teamwork to seal the deal regardless. Also forgetting that he used it to sneak up behind the ninja whilst IN the woos where he isn't in plain sight. This fight takes place outside the woods so Minato wont be getting any surprise attacks in and especially from this distance. In a terrain like this, he would need prep to fully harness the skill of FTG. The Kunai at that stage was clearly already set up since he was able to use it. Notice that a normal kunai is in his hand at the time which means prep was already done. (Cant get the page, but look if you dont believe me)

1. He used no form of teamwork there. Kakashi was about to get himself killed, so he saved him, tagged the guy, and Hiraishin blitzed and cut his throat.

2. If he's going to open with Hiraishin against fodder, why wouldn't he do so against a ninja who isn't fodder?

3. For all he knows, Deidara is some fodder.

The battle takes place, or should I say starts, at the clearing in front of the forest like OP said. So you are wrong there too. Minato needs no surprise attack to take out Deidara, nor does he need prep. All he needs to do is toss several Kunai at him and blitz him, or in this case, close the distance and THEN blitz him.

Deidara going aerial is what decides the match from the get go. Even IF minato can warp through the air , Deidara would of figured out the ability of FTG because he would have to throw more than one kunai in order to catch him in the air. In the rare even he does catch him, clay clone is immanent.

Considering Deidara has no intel on Hiraishin, I can count on him not trying to get into the air until he realizes Minato is too fast for him, just like he did with Sasuke, but once he realizes that....he'd be dead. Lol

Again. He's not going to dash into an opponent he knows nothing about unless they are 'fodder' . Even in the Ay fight he sread his kunai fist because he KNEW who he was dealing with and knew he would need a jutsu to boost his versatility. not to mention this is a forest so an even better advantage.

Not liking how you are grasping at straws here, saying Minato won't start with his signature move, his regular fighting style. For all he knows, Deidara is some fodder. He has absolutely zero intel on the Akatsuki. He spread his Kunai like that because he knew who Ay was, yes....but that isn't the same as closing the distance and obliterating your opponent.

Even against obito he started off by running towards him normally to see what would be done, he did NOT use FTG. Once he analysed Kamui THEN he attacked.

Because he knew there was something dangerous about him, as evidenced by him almost getting warped away a second earlier.

You cant trash Deidara on the spot like that, clay cones are used if Minato does 'happen' to use FTG straight away. Deidara has shown he can react to shunshin speed.

Deidara has shown that he can react to Sasuke's Shunshin speed. Minato>Tobirama>Madara, and Madara almost blitzed Sage Naruto. He hasn't shown that he can react to Minato's level of speed. Not to mention if he uses a clay clone, Minato will catch him since Deidara will literally have no moment to make a clone undetected.

...I promised myself i wouldnt come back here for a while... damn you KG

Lol, we can't have you saying Deidara stands a chance now can we?

 

[Zexion~]

^Classic case of Minato hypage U_U

But yes if Deidara doesn't make it to the bird he loses start him in the air and he wins every time

 

[KidGamer65]

^ Start him in the air and Minato would still rape him.

 

[Sprinkles]

Minato can't beat deidara and sasori at the same time, but he beats deidara alone.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Why would it matter if Deidara is in the air or not??

Not only can FTG spam be used to stay airborne. Minato has giant ass toads that can rapid fire massive water canons from his mouth. The agility and jumping power of a toad is also second to none. Then you have Bunta's giant ass sword for extra reach, which he can throw as a distraction, and then use that diversion to get minato in close, by throwing him. Tempo dama barrage is enough to cause flight mode deidara trouble.

 

[Amaterasu]

Minato med-difficulty, he is way faster than Deidara and could potentially blitz him before he prep any bombs. If Deidara uses his bird, Minato summons Gamabunta.

 

[King Of Pop]

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the above panels frankly is enough to show how this match is gonna end. deidara twice nearly got his shit blized by sasuke to the point were he had to go upwards and even even then he was about to get jumped on before obito alerted him did he then become aware. why is this important?, well its very simple. minatos shunshin>>>sasukes so basically replace sasuke with minato in the above panels and deidaras head would be rolling on the ground. minato also has the option of closing the distance then throwing his kunai and them slam him him from the back with rasengan. sasukes speed was a bother at first for deidara and you pit him up against a renowed speedstar? very bad match up.

lets say by some miracle he does get into the air, bunta comes out to give minato some leverage and foot hold which would enable him throw some kunais upwards and the deidara would end up having a rasengan on his back or a his throat slashed.

minato low dif.

 

[Zexion~]

^ Start him in the air and Minato would still rape him.

lml nope

 

[TheTailedSage]

1. He used no form of teamwork there. Kakashi was about to get himself killed, so he saved him, tagged the guy, and Hiraishin blitzed and cut his throat.

2. If he's going to open with Hiraishin against fodder, why wouldn't he do so against a ninja who isn't fodder?

3. For all he knows, Deidara is some fodder.


The battle takes place, or should I say starts, at the clearing in front of the forest like OP said. So you are wrong there too. Minato needs no surprise attack to take out Deidara, nor does he need prep. All he needs to do is toss several Kunai at him and blitz him, or in this case, close the distance and THEN blitz him.




Considering Deidara has no intel on Hiraishin, I can count on him not trying to get into the air until he realizes Minato is too fast for him, just like he did with Sasuke, but once he realizes that....he'd be dead. Lol


Not liking how you are grasping at straws here, saying Minato won't start with his signature move, his regular fighting style. For all he knows, Deidara is some fodder. He has absolutely zero intel on the Akatsuki. He spread his Kunai like that because he knew who Ay was, yes....but that isn't the same as closing the distance and obliterating your opponent.


Because he knew there was something dangerous about him, as evidenced by him almost getting warped away a second earlier.



Deidara has shown that he can react to Sasuke's Shunshin speed. Minato>Tobirama>Madara, and Madara almost blitzed Sage Naruto. He hasn't shown that he can react to Minato's level of speed. Not to mention if he uses a clay clone, Minato will catch him since Deidara will literally have no moment to make a clone undetected.



Lol, we can't have you saying Deidara stands a chance now can we?

Correction, he used that distraction as an advantage while also using his speed as an advantage at the time. Though the situation was dire, the perfect time to strike was when the enemy fodder was caught off guard thus tragically trashing them.

Minatos ability to gauge a enemies strength is determined on how they fight or strategize, this was shown in the one man ambush when Kakashi rushed in, he waited until it was absolutely paramount that he intervene and then jumped in to save Kakashi. In that space of time, Minato could easily gauge how strong he was and thus ended him with Shunshin. 1000 rock ninja is clearly a army full of fodder sent and nothing but numbers, Minato had knowledge of this

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. So looking on this fight, he will not assume that Deidara is fodder but he will first gain at least a rough idea of his power.

Its not within character for him to ever fling a barrage of kunai though that's my point, and even if he did, a clay clone is used and by the time he reaches deidara, it explodes which gives enough time for deidara to take flight. He didn't toss a barrage of kunai at Obito in the hidden leaf because he wanted to see just how powerful he was first before revealing his trump card FTG. It would be idiotic of him to use his trump straight away.

Im not grasping at straws all im saying is that even if here WERE to sprea dhis kunai everywhere, its:

A. Spread on a vast field

B. on the ground

It will be of little use to him if Deidara isn't on the ground now isn't it? and once again, He knew who Ay was and who he was up against at the time plus had a terrain advantage. There was a forest there where as this fight takes place outside that forest. Im simply pointing out the differences that distinguish this fight... now knowing this, why would he recklessly blitz everywhere from the very start? even when he had little time to react to Ay's punch he still formed a quick plan with the knowledge he had. By using FTG distance is just a word, especially in a forest.

Fair point, but he wasn't 100% sure about what he done, he had a theory and tested it out (about the space time jutsu/kamui) so he still never had accurate intel so this is why he dashed in instead of FTG troll spam, so he could learn more about it.

But your suggesting that Minatos FTG essentially gives him a pre-emperative strike by saying that. Deidara successfully made a clone without Sasuke realising it and he possesses the sight to actually tell if its a clone or not. He also fooled Oonoki. We've never actually seen someone create a surprise clone even though its been down thousands of times in the manga. Deidara can clearly sub himself for the clone...


If anything, Deidara stand a very strong chance