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That's irrelevant to what I typed.
[Discussion] Existence of a God.
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That's irrelevant to what I typed.
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so much butthurt in one thread.
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I'm pretty sure that you're just trolling since there's no way someone could be this much of a simple minded plebeian. Just in case you're not trolling, bloodletting was believed by everyone back then to be a way of curing diseases, but that was wrong.
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नासदासीन्नो सदासीत्तदानीं नासीद्रजो नो व्योमा परो यत् ।
किमावरीवः कुह कस्य शर्मन्नम्भः किमासीद्गहनं गभीरम् ॥ १॥
Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?
न मृत्युरासीदमृतं न तर्हि न रात्र्या अह्न आसीत्प्रकेतः ।
आनीदवातं स्वधया तदेकं तस्माद्धान्यन्न परः किञ्चनास ॥२॥
Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.
तम आसीत्तमसा गूहळमग्रे प्रकेतं सलिलं सर्वाऽइदम् ।
तुच्छ्येनाभ्वपिहितं यदासीत्तपसस्तन्महिनाजायतैकम् ॥३॥
At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.
कामस्तदग्रे समवर्तताधि मनसो रेतः प्रथमं यदासीत् ।
सतो बन्धुमसति निरविन्दन्हृदि प्रतीष्या कवयो मनीषा ॥४॥
In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is is kin to that which is not.
तिरश्चीनो विततो रश्मिरेषामधः स्विदासीदुपरि स्विदासीत् ।
रेतोधा आसन्महिमान आसन्त्स्वधा अवस्तात्प्रयतिः परस्तात् ॥५॥
And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.
को अद्धा वेद क इह प्र वोचत्कुत आजाता कुत इयं विसृष्टिः ।
अर्वाग्देवा अस्य विसर्जनेनाथा को वेद यत आबभूव ॥६॥
But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?
इयं विसृष्टिर्यत आबभूव यदि वा दधे यदि वा न ।
यो अस्याध्यक्षः परमे व्योमन्त्सो अङ्ग वेद यदि वा न वेद ॥७॥
Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.
किमावरीवः कुह कस्य शर्मन्नम्भः किमासीद्गहनं गभीरम् ॥ १॥
Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?
न मृत्युरासीदमृतं न तर्हि न रात्र्या अह्न आसीत्प्रकेतः ।
आनीदवातं स्वधया तदेकं तस्माद्धान्यन्न परः किञ्चनास ॥२॥
Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.
तम आसीत्तमसा गूहळमग्रे प्रकेतं सलिलं सर्वाऽइदम् ।
तुच्छ्येनाभ्वपिहितं यदासीत्तपसस्तन्महिनाजायतैकम् ॥३॥
At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.
कामस्तदग्रे समवर्तताधि मनसो रेतः प्रथमं यदासीत् ।
सतो बन्धुमसति निरविन्दन्हृदि प्रतीष्या कवयो मनीषा ॥४॥
In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is is kin to that which is not.
तिरश्चीनो विततो रश्मिरेषामधः स्विदासीदुपरि स्विदासीत् ।
रेतोधा आसन्महिमान आसन्त्स्वधा अवस्तात्प्रयतिः परस्तात् ॥५॥
And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.
को अद्धा वेद क इह प्र वोचत्कुत आजाता कुत इयं विसृष्टिः ।
अर्वाग्देवा अस्य विसर्जनेनाथा को वेद यत आबभूव ॥६॥
But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?
इयं विसृष्टिर्यत आबभूव यदि वा दधे यदि वा न ।
यो अस्याध्यक्षः परमे व्योमन्त्सो अङ्ग वेद यदि वा न वेद ॥७॥
Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.
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It is genuinely difficult to prove the existence of an ultimate creator that is in control of everything living or dead, and which is known as his creation. He is neither male nor female, does not beget nor was born since these qualities are associated with the creation and have nothing to do with him. Although he is referred to as a "Him" since the word has a masculine and superior connotation to it, and in a way also makes it easy for people when referring to God. But as I say, it is difficult to prove his existence because in order to do so, some work needs to be carried out.
To begin with, one must acquire the correct data or information(consisting of both fact and opinion) that can serve as evidence to prove God's existence. The information must then be analyzed and understood carefully while being applied to different instances/situations, works almost like solving a jigsaw puzzle. The person investigating must then come up with various yet brief hypothesis or theories which are prepared to be verified. Along with this, more information about God's existence needs to be thoroughly researched until it reaches suitable reasoning and makes perfect sense. All of these steps need to be performed together and not necessarily in chronological order. Good luck to all of you attempting to research and heading towards concluding with whatever results you may eventually end up with.
To begin with, one must acquire the correct data or information(consisting of both fact and opinion) that can serve as evidence to prove God's existence. The information must then be analyzed and understood carefully while being applied to different instances/situations, works almost like solving a jigsaw puzzle. The person investigating must then come up with various yet brief hypothesis or theories which are prepared to be verified. Along with this, more information about God's existence needs to be thoroughly researched until it reaches suitable reasoning and makes perfect sense. All of these steps need to be performed together and not necessarily in chronological order. Good luck to all of you attempting to research and heading towards concluding with whatever results you may eventually end up with.
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Agreed (not sure if this is directed at me), but I do not engage Islam with a view to converting Muslims (always an absolutely hopeless endeavour as experience has taught me all too well). I am not going to write another long-arse essay trying to explain this, but I offer this reason for fighting against Islam in all its forms in infidel lands: these debates are best interpreted as conflicts in the construction of culture.
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Basically conflicts over the construction of culture are just another form of group conflict, in essence not all that different from the tribal-genocidal conflicts of hunter-gatherers or tribal pastoral peoples like Bedoins (Mohameds people).
Islam does not see itself as a personal thing; on the contrary, Islam defines itself as a complete social, economic and political structure. And because Islam is ultimately, in its active form (which will manifest itself in our infidel lands only when Muslims come to comprise significant percentages), not all that different from, e.g., Communism (which also espouses a complete social, economic and political structure), we ought to treat attempts by Muslims at proselytism (like Fodder3s in this thread) in the same way we react to Communists who peddle their ideology.
Thus, the issue is not so much whether we can convince Communists or Muslims to abandon their totalitarian ideologies as it is that these ideologies and groups are a threat to western civilization and culture in the long run. Consequently, when I see a Muslim selling his/her religion, as long as he/she is doing it in the western world (that includes parts of the internet where westerners predominate), I look at the situation as if a Communist was touting Stalinism. And I naturally feel that I have a sense duty to defend my culture and civilization from those destructive ideologies, by any means necessary.
I do apologize if I ended up offending any other religious people, i.e. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and others. My atavistic "New Atheist" tendencies notwithstanding (I was a Richard Dawkins type of guy for a long time though now I sometimes call myself a cultural Christian if that means defending Christianity from its subversive enemies, e.g. Communists and Muslims), I do not actually have a problem with religion. But as I said before, Islam is more akin to Communism than it is to a personal-spiritual type religion like most other religions are now.
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Science doesn't disprove God's existence; in fact, it's opposite. If you conjunct religious beliefs (I recommend the Quran as it hasn't been altered and contains scientific scriptures) and science discoveries. I'll just copy few documents and reference them:
To prove God's existence, you would need 4 things found in our universe:
1). Eternal force that isn't involved within the time and space.
2). Force found everywhere - omnipresent.
3). All powerful force - omnipotent.
4). Force possessing all knowledge - omniscient.
Heisenberg concludes that all freed electrons behave as if they were influenced by a force isn't found in the universe. In a signal travels farther than light Malcolm W. Browne, a force was connecting two freed electrons & proved to be eternal, was present within our time, yet has involvement within our universe's time and space. Here you go - An eternal force proved by science.
Every particle in the universe is connected to this eternal force, which can be found in stars, light, radiation. This means this force is found everywhere, making it omnipresent. Number 2 that science proves God's existence.
In experiments conducted by Russian scientists found that laser photons knew when DNA molecules was added into the vacuum. The photons collected around DNA strand and began to change the order of the DNA to what it desired. After the laser was turned off and excess photons remained in position resembling the DNA for over 22 minutes. There you go - omnipotent confirmed by science.
Physicist Roger Vogelsang found within his STI device, that not only this force can communicate but can read thoughts and know all things in the past and future. There you go - omniscient proven by science.
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Now all you need to do is, basically read the Quran that states how God is timeless, is all knowing, is all-powerful. Not necessarily the Quran, the bible and Torah will say the same thing.
To prove God's existence, you would need 4 things found in our universe:
1). Eternal force that isn't involved within the time and space.
2). Force found everywhere - omnipresent.
3). All powerful force - omnipotent.
4). Force possessing all knowledge - omniscient.
Heisenberg concludes that all freed electrons behave as if they were influenced by a force isn't found in the universe. In a signal travels farther than light Malcolm W. Browne, a force was connecting two freed electrons & proved to be eternal, was present within our time, yet has involvement within our universe's time and space. Here you go - An eternal force proved by science.
Every particle in the universe is connected to this eternal force, which can be found in stars, light, radiation. This means this force is found everywhere, making it omnipresent. Number 2 that science proves God's existence.
In experiments conducted by Russian scientists found that laser photons knew when DNA molecules was added into the vacuum. The photons collected around DNA strand and began to change the order of the DNA to what it desired. After the laser was turned off and excess photons remained in position resembling the DNA for over 22 minutes. There you go - omnipotent confirmed by science.
Physicist Roger Vogelsang found within his STI device, that not only this force can communicate but can read thoughts and know all things in the past and future. There you go - omniscient proven by science.
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Now all you need to do is, basically read the Quran that states how God is timeless, is all knowing, is all-powerful. Not necessarily the Quran, the bible and Torah will say the same thing.
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lmao keep dancing around the question.
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Blacks are the real chosen hebrew isrealites
Only so called "black people" believe in God!
Only so called "black people" believe in God!
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Please provide definitive proof.
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The bible
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Thats not proof, Thats a man made book belonging to a religion that is fairly young, but nice try.
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Whatever sails your boat. I am sure the earth miraculously exploded one day and everything was created. That doesnt seem far fetched at all.
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Lmao, And neither does a Single all knowing all seeing creator, no not far fetched at all. Why can you people just admit you have no real proof your "God" exists? At least i can admit i have no real proof to disprove God.
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Go look up the Miracle of Lanciano . I find it ridiculous that you can believe the earth with all the seas and mountains magically exploded all at once but you cant believe in a supreme being that controls us. There are up to 2 billions muslim and christians surely there must be a God if so much believe in him.
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Once again you will not admit you have no proof. I find it ridiculous all you Christians and Muslims refuse to acknowledge how young your religions are and that there were many before yours all polytheism. Greeks, Romans, Egyptians,Hindus, Japanese, Celts and Gauls all around long before your religion ever was thought of. All worshiping multiple gods. Also I do not believe the earth was magically exploded into creation.
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It is. C;
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.....What?