Kishimoto is a horrible writer!

[Zavage10]

Why was this thread resurrected?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It's always a pleasure to see people complain about things when they wouldn't be able to do 1/10th of the work needed, and that they never thinked at the pressure of serializing a big series.

If the series went bad, it's not because of the author only, it's from the fans and the editors mainly.

Yeah...no.It's called criticism.

The "Let's See You Do Better" logical fallacy is always the go to defense for fanboys such as yourself so I'm going to tear it down in three paragraphs.

Nobody should have to make something themselves in order to criticize it,you don't have to be a chef to criticize a dish for being terrible.Neither should you be a writer or artist to have permission to criticize someone who is,otherwise nobody would be able to criticize anything ever.

Which is pretty damn stupid.By your logic nobody has the right to criticize something if they don't do something similar.

The fans made this manga reach the levels of popularity it is today,so blaming them for Kishi's average writing skills is pretty damn stupid.We have no control in the writing room so get out of here with that shit,without us Kishi's series wouldn't be popular enough to have ass kissers like you around.

In short this thread is basically a "Stop criticizing the things I like guys!" thread,it's a waste of space for a series that has long since ended.

People are allowed to criticize the manga now that there's no more to add,deal with it.

 

[Dockinabix]

It's called criticism.

Nah, I'd say it's more like sharing thoughts.

Calling it "criticism", usually implies that you are a professional working in the same line of work or doing the same job and you give an objective opinion based on facts defining the support. You can't do a credible criticism, when you ignore how and the amount of work is needed to have the job done, the confines and obligations it asks, the pressure, the feedbacks etc.

I'm not saying that we should all shut up. It's good and vital for a comunity to share his thoughts.
But, before saying an author is shitty, people should try to understaind how this world works. Kishi still can be considered a rookie mangaka since it's his first series. Besides he never went to the assistant "path" who could give him some prior experience. (Like Eichiro Oda, or Takehiko Inoue) So him making mistakes is natural.

(For example, if the chapter is full of story holes or contradict some said previously, it's the job of the editor to light those points to the author in order to fill them. So it's as much the fault of Shonen jump and shonen in general for his global lacks of story control)

 

[Made in Heaven]

It's always a pleasure to see people complain about things when they wouldn't be able to do 1/10th of the work needed, and that they never thinked at the pressure of serializing a big series.

If the series went bad, it's not because of the author only, it's from the fans and the editors mainly.

It's not hard to do 1/10th of what he did when his writing isn't great to begin w/ . Hell, I'm writing up a story about Kaguya's background because Kishi didn't do so . Of course, that's only one of million mistakes he's made.

 

[Zavage10]

Nah, I'd say it's more like sharing thoughts.

Calling it "criticism", usually implies that you are a professional working in the same line of work or doing the same job and you give an objective opinion based on facts defining the support. You can't do a credible criticism, when you ignore how and the amount of work is needed to have the job done, the confines and obligations it asks, the pressure, the feedbacks etc.

I'm not saying that we should all shut up. It's good and vital for a comunity to share his thoughts.
But, before saying an author is shitty, people should try to understaind how this world works. Kishi still can be considered a rookie mangaka since it's his first series. Besides he never went to the assistant "path" who could give him some prior experience. (Like Eichiro Oda, or Takehiko Inoue) So him making mistakes is natural.

(For example, if the chapter is full of story holes or contradict some said previously, it's the job of the editor to light those points to the author in order to fill them. So it's as much the fault of Shonen jump and shonen in general for his global lacks of story control)

Its pretty funny when certain people think that their fanfiction (trash) is better than the actual manga.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Its pretty funny when certain people think that their fanfiction (trash) is better than the actual manga.

It's pretty funny how certain people think you have to have expertise in writing to criticize a story.

Keep on fanboying though.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Its pretty funny when certain people think that their fanfiction (trash) is better than the actual manga.

Fanfiction is in fact better than the manga. Look at the anime fillers [they're essentially fanfics], they make the show way better than the manga due to fleshing out many aspects that kishi fails to develop. Lol

I've seen suggestions of how this manga could have been changed for the better, and those suggestions are by far more interesting than the things kishi writes up

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Nah, I'd say it's more like sharing thoughts.

Calling it "criticism", usually implies that you are a professional working in the same line of work or doing the same job and you give an objective opinion based on facts defining the support. You can't do a credible criticism, when you ignore how and the amount of work is needed to have the job done, the confines and obligations it asks, the pressure, the feedbacks etc.

I'm not saying that we should all shut up. It's good and vital for a comunity to share his thoughts.
But, before saying an author is shitty, people should try to understaind how this world works. Kishi still can be considered a rookie mangaka since it's his first series. Besides he never went to the assistant "path" who could give him some prior experience. (Like Eichiro Oda, or Takehiko Inoue) So him making mistakes is natural.

(For example, if the chapter is full of story holes or contradict some said previously, it's the job of the editor to light those points to the author in order to fill them. So it's as much the fault of Shonen jump and shonen in general for his global lacks of story control)

No that's not it works,see people are allowed to criticize something without being a professional.People do it all the time in every facet of society.

Let's take your logic and apply to something else,if a restaurant was serving crap food that literally sends people to the hospital then nobody except those in the food business would have permission to make a fuss.

Do you not see how faulty that line of reasoning you're putting up is?

 

[Dockinabix]

Yeah...no.It's called criticism.

The "Let's See You Do Better" logical fallacy is always the go to defense for fanboys such as yourself so I'm going to tear it down in three paragraphs.

Nobody should have to make something themselves in order to criticize it,you don't have to be a chef to criticize a dish for being terrible.Neither should you be a writer or artist to have permission to criticize someone who is,otherwise nobody would be able to criticize anything ever.

Which is pretty damn stupid.By your logic nobody has the right to criticize something if they don't do something similar.

The fans made this manga reach the levels of popularity it is today,so blaming them for Kishi's average writing skills is pretty damn stupid.We have no control in the writing room so get out of here with that shit,without us Kishi's series wouldn't be popular enough to have ass kissers like you around.

In short this thread is basically a "Stop criticizing the things I like guys!" thread,it's a waste of space for a series that has long since ended.

People are allowed to criticize the manga now that there's no more to add,deal with it.

You seem to ignore that fan voice is very powerful in japan. ( They put pressure on Toriyama and WSJ to continue DB after goku's wedding) When a series hit's the top, it's not the authors property only anymore, it's fans property too.

Even though I would agree with the fanboy idea, there is one thing you are completly wrong:

I'm not a Fanboy. I mean Really ? Where? Who ? Prove it, because I never sucked any character D's or V's. Don't put me in the same basket of those retards who put at every thread. *Qwerty solo's your fav and NV* because their knowledge of the NV is as scarse as hair in a balding head. Before accusing someone take some proofs.

I never said that people couldn't share his thoughts. People can hate the series, I don't give a fu*k. Me too, I think this series is a waste. Kishi made mistakes, it's an unbreakable truth, but it's not a reason to put all the blame on him and call him an shitty author. He is still a rookie, he just finished his first series, and the biggest part is, his editors worked badly.

I just pointed out that the word Criticism, is mainly used for professional reviewers. I never said that you must be a pro.

Calling it "criticism", usually implies that you are a professional working

Normally, to be able to do a good critic, you have to be perfectly objective. Wich is complicated and close to impossible for such a long series where your emotions influenced you.

What I put is ( I'm taking your example of the restaurant): It's not because a chief missed the dessert of a full meal that we can call him shitty. He pleased you during the fist course and a bg part of the main dish, I mean, the first part was very good, and the second part had some good moments.

It's a ****in bad habit that people have to shit on someone's name, even though they loved a big part of it just because he missed the end.

And finally before going like a White armor knight defending people "criticism", try to learn reading between the lines. ^^

 

[Zavage10]

Fanfiction is in fact better than the manga. Look at the anime fillers [they're essentially fanfics], they make the show way better than the manga due to fleshing out many aspects that kishi fails to develop. Lol

I've seen suggestions of how this manga could have been changed for the better, and those suggestions are by far more interesting than the things kishi writes up

Fanfiction is better than the actual manga... Seems legit.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Fanfiction is better than the actual manga... Seems legit.

I see people write one everyday in Itachi threads. Lol

 

[Zavage10]

It's pretty funny how certain people think you have to have expertise in writing to criticize a story.

Keep on fanboying though.

Fanboying... Im on a site called narutobase. That means that I think that naruto is pretty damn nice.

 

[Avani]

Fanfiction is in fact better than the manga. Look at the anime fillers [they're essentially fanfics], they make the show way better than the manga due to fleshing out many aspects that kishi fails to develop. Lol

I've seen suggestions of how this manga could have been changed for the better, and those suggestions are by far more interesting than the things kishi writes up

And these very animes also make people hate the manga when they keep overusing stupid tropes which manga uses much less.

As for fan fiction - if the writers were that good they would be writing original stories and creating their own verse. It's like saying a guy who downloads an original work by some other artists and adds a few filters on a a 300*150 size section of it to make an ava, is better than the original artist.

It's pretty funny how certain people think you have to have expertise in writing to criticize a story.

Keep on fanboying though.

"Detached evaluation." That's the key word..

No one needs to be an expert to criticize anyone but it makes such opinions a little more interesting if they try to offer a critique rather than just criticism/ complaints etc for not getting their personalized fanservices.

Hating is as bad as fanboying- sometimes worse because fanboys are still into it because they obviously enjoy certain bits in it. Exaggerations like the title of this thread are bound to make people question validity of the criticism.

 

[Dockinabix]

And these very animes also make people hate the manga when they keep overusing stupid tropes which manga uses much less.

As for fan fiction - if the writers were that good they would be writing original stories and creating their own verse. It's like saying a guy who downloads an original work by some other artists and adds a few filters on a a 300*150 size section of it to make an ava, is better than the original artist.



"Detached evaluation." That's the key word..

No one needs to be an expert to criticize anyone but it makes such opinions a little more interesting if they try to offer a critique rather than just criticism/ complaints etc for not getting their personalized fanservices.

Hating is as bad as fanboying- sometimes worse because fanboys are still into it because they obviously enjoy certain bits in it. Exaggerations like the title of this thread are bound to make people question validity of the criticism.

Amen.

Fanboying... Im on a site called narutobase. That means that I think that naruto is pretty damn nice.

Bah, it's a plain hater who think that anybody defend a series that much people trash is a fanboy without even trying to understaind what the guy is really meaning.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Besides the fact they were double posts( breaking rules) they included personal attacks and flames. And now you are spamming again. If you have some personal issues with someone take it to VM. Do not start pointless flame and personal attacks here. Rest of the board doesn't need to get in to personal issues of either party.

What?I didn't personally attack or flame anyone.

Someone accused me of being a hater and I simply offered a rebuttal.

If it seems I'm spamming or whatever then I'll stop.I was just giving a response.

 

[Dockinabix]

Lol,it's funny you call me a hater when I've been reading/watching Naruto for 9 years.

Defending a series and calling anyone who offers legit criticism unworthy because YOU
say so are two different things.

You've done more of the latter.

Then again fanboys like to call people haters for simply having a different opinion from them,so are you one?

Better yet don't answer that,you already did it in this very thread.

So go ahead and call me a hater for disagreeing with you.

It's been around ten years to me, surely more to other people here but it's not revelant for the hater thing. It's not because you read the manga for long that you are not a hater.

Legit criticism ? Really ?

Some have good points, some share they thoughts as their though. I respect those people because they share "their" point of view. But some "criticise" the manga with nothing but their frustration making their critic like it's the universal one. These critics are irrevelant because biaised.

Most of them shit on the authors because their fav wasn't put enough in light, because of the logic of the last fight they seem didn't understood, some are complaining about missing answers ( like oro and taka).

Well since the author announced quite fast a part 3, I wouldn't sell the bear skin before killing him and wait until everything is done by the author before complaining. However for the last point I agree with nearly everyone, it lacks clues.

I don't call anybody who don't share my thoughts unworthy. I don't share the same opinions with shit load of people here, and I don't treat them like c*ap. Not liking a ending and insulting an author shitty writter are two different things. You may not like what he did, but that doesn't give you the right to insult someone. That's what I'm pointing out and nothing else.

And I said you were a "hater" (I may haven't used the right word ), because you say people who defend a little a series who is lapidated are Fanboys, without even trying to prove your point by quoting the guy/girl and so acting like one of them.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

And these very animes also make people hate the manga when they keep overusing stupid tropes which manga uses much less.

As for fan fiction - if the writers were that good they would be writing original stories and creating their own verse. It's like saying a guy who downloads an original work by some other artists and adds a few filters on a a 300*150 size section of it to make an ava, is better than the original artist.

The anime gave Sakura more than one fight and background. Unlike the manga.

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

I only think the ending arcs were shiiitty, the rest was amazing and of course i finished the series, cant stop reading just cuz the end wasn't to my personal likening.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kishi drawing is good, his writing is OK, his Idea is good.

Ty

 

[Made in Heaven]

The anime gave Sakura more than one fight and background. Unlike the manga.

What fights were these?