Kishimoto is a horrible writer!

[Avani]

It makes me laugh how much narutards deny it. The interview wasn't short either and I remember another interview where he discussed HxH inspiring him but like I mentioned before the link is broken. Kishi. learned a lot from Togashi, he said so himself.

Who's claiming here that Togashi was the first to create clones? I'm just listing off that facts from the interviews, whereas you're just denying it because of your personal bias with Naruto.

Yea he said he met Togashi in a jump festa and also once at his home where he showed him his work place etc. Kishi must be a genius to learn all his art and story telling from Togashi within few hours. You can only use insults like Narutards instead of coming up some real argument that alone is good enough indication who is fanboying here.

Did it hurt that much to know Togashi wasn't the first one to use shadow clone concept that you are resorting to insults and flames now?

Togashi is still a good and original writer but you are over hyping his influence when everything is a remix out there. Naruto picked a fair amount of concepts and ideas from all over the place. But so does Togashi and all other mangkas. They study previous works and watch movies and shows for new ideas. For example: Togashi says he studies horror genre a lot for his inspirations.

It's childish to think just because of chunin exam set up people would read the manga for 700 chapters. It was not examination set up alone that was the attraction of chunnin exmas. It were the introduction of interesting characters, character depth of villains or even minor characters and fight sequences.

No. Kishi is just an idiot. You can't make a mistake on things like that. Wiki says any off spring of the Hyuga clan attains Byakugan, and unlike the Sharingan is unlocked at birth. These kid's show no signs of it.

You are just trolling. :|

Anyway I am leaving. I will check later and all and any spam and flame will be infracted if I notice it. So be warned.

 

[Shruikan]

Maybe because after reading 500 chapters I need to know the ending even though the story sucks?

 

[Hexuze]

Yea he said he met Togashi in a jump festa and also once at his home where he showed him his work place etc. Kishi must be a genius to learn all his art and story telling from Togashi within few hours. You can only use insults like Narutards instead of coming up some real argument that alone is good enough indication who is fanboying here.

You're making an assumption that he taught him everything. No you are being one, you're being delusional here and I'm not so sure why. If I had to guess, you probably don't like the idea of Kishi. being influenced by someone like Togashi, seeing your hate against Togashi.

Did it hurt that much to know Togashi wasn't the first one to use shadow clone concept that you are resorting to insults and flames now?

Lol Poor reading comprehension, never have I stated he was the first one to use shadow clones. Kishi. stated himself in the interview that Naruto's shadow clones were an inspiration from YYH. It's not to say Togashi was the first to create them, ofc not.

Togashi is still a good and original writer but you are over hyping his influence when everything is a remix out there. Naruto picked a fair amount of concepts and ideas from all over the place. But so does Togashi and all other mangkas. They study previous works and watch movies and shows for new ideas. For example: Togashi says he studies horror genre a lot for his inspirations.

It's childish to think just because of chunin exam set up people would read the manga for 700 chapters.

I'm not. I just think that Naruto's start had influences from HxH/YYH, not the entirety of the Naruto series. The chunin exam was a large arc as well so he does have quite a large influence for part 1. Am I saying Naruto owes most of it's success to Togashi? Nope. Yes, I'm well aware that all mangaka's have some sort of influences in their series. I just want to point out that Kishi. had influences in Togashi's works

 

[Char Aznable]

The War Arc last 4 years and 227 chapters since the moment Obito declared it at the 5 Kage Summit.

By the end of the manga we never see:

Naruto actually becoming Hokage. There's a timeskip of 10 years and he's already in the job.

Kakashi becoming Hokage. Same with Naruto, it happens off panel.

Naruto keeping his promise to bring Sasuke back to live in the village. With everything Sasuke has done and every leaf chunin - jonin knowing what Sasuke has done. It doesn't seem plausible they would forgive Sasuke so easily.

Naruto and Kakashi defending Sasuke at his trial and Sasuke speaking in his own defense/justifying his actions. Again this happens off panel.

What the surviving K11 will do with themselves since the War has changed the ninja world.

How Naruto exactly planned to bring and maintain peace between the rival nations. Something Nagato, Itachi, Kakashi, Ay and Gaara all told Naruto would be an insurmountable task given how things work. By chap 700, this appears to have happened OFF PANEL!

The pairings + kids that Kishi seemed to give more thought to in the epilogue than to where his original characters. Is Sakura a doctor? Did Hinata take control of the Hyuga? When did Shikamaru replace his father as an adviser to the Hokage? etc etc

What is Sasuke doing on his travels?

Where did Oro, Kabuto and Taka go?


Kishi had more than enough time to flesh all these thing out, but it wasn't managed well. The War could've been trimmed 30-50 chapters and still had the same impact and given room for more closure to the series.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

KISHI IS TERRIBLE. HE SO BAD I QUIT AFTER ONE CHAPTER.

Or, as my brother would sarcasticly say:

KISHI IS TERRIBLE. WHY NARUTO END UP WITH HINATA INSTEAD OF ZOMBIE RIN! NaruZombieRin4eva!

 

[Zavage10]

Maybe because after reading 500 chapters I need to know the ending even though the story sucks?

It called cold turkey quitting. If you read 700 chapter, then you obviously love Naruto.

 

[Avani]

You're making an assumption that he taught him everything. No you are being one, you're being delusional here and I'm not so sure why. If I had to guess, you probably don't like the idea of Kishi. being influenced by someone like Togashi, seeing your hate against Togashi.

Personal attack, strawman argument for disagreeing with your fanboyism for one and hate for other. And lol how am I making that assumption? It's hunter fans who come up with such claims.

Lol Poor reading comprehension, never have I stated he was the first one to use shadow clones. Kishi. stated himself in the interview that Naruto's shadow clones were an inspiration from YYH. It's not to say Togashi was the first to create them, ofc not.

Poor reading and comprehension - I never stated that Kishi didn't say it. ^^

I pointed out that the concept was older. So Togashi picked it and expanded on it. Then Kishi used his and expanded on it. Should I repeat i- Everything is a remix. ^^

Most of the similarities are on superficial level since the writing style is different. The narration part is better in Hunter vs hunter but the fights in the chunnin arc were better in Naruto. And then both clearly diverge in two different directions. Chunnin exam's were also more eventful and practically set the ground for the part 2 on various levels.

My main objection was to suggestion you made as if those superficial similarities were the only good part which you did imply in your first post. No horrible work lasts for 700 chapters in a row in 15 years. If people stuck with a work for a considerable time then it must be doing at least some things right.

not. I just think that Naruto's start had influences from HxH/YYH, not the entirety of the Naruto series. The chunin exam was a large arc as well so he does have quite a large influence for part 1. Am I saying Naruto owes most of it's success to Togashi? Nope. Yes, I'm well aware that all mangaka's have some sort of influences in their series. I just want to point out that Kishi. had influences in Togashi's works

Then you should have not try to argue more than that because no one denied that part.

 

[Woodzy]

People just got too critical I guess...

 

[Bankai11]

1.Kishimoto did a pretty good job with chapters 1-698.

2.Chapter 699 and 700 makes me wonder if that bastard was actually drunk when he wrote those two chapters.

1.Cough, cough, sure, sure, so bad that the problems and the downhill with the logic errors and asspuls already started since the endi of Kakashi Gaiden! The only reason why people weren't complaining about back then already was becuase shipping glasses. But no, Naruto was already bad since the beginning of Part 2, let's just say that there were some good chapters.

2.There was no porblem with the ending itself. The porblem was that the readers forgot, that 2x 15-16 pages chapters won't be enough to conclude EVERYTHING, from the never explained questions and plotholes to showing the fate of all the 10000 characters, yet they still had too much exceptions despite the oblivious fact that Kishimoto would needed another 5-6 chapters to conclude all plotholes, all questions and all characters.

Also face it, none of the legendary long running shonen fight mangas gave proper ending. Kinnikuman, Hokuto No Ken, Dragon Ball Z, Kenichi, none of them.

 

[rollin]

When I drop a manga it's because I got bored of it and stopped reading it not because something didn't go the way I wanted
And I do it unintentionally too,I just won't read that manga that week and before I know it I'm not reading it anymore
Never once happened with naruto, people may say that kishi is a bad writer but actions speak louder than words
They're on a naruto forum,with a naruto avatar,naruto sig,naruto quotes

A bad writer wouldn't run a 15 year manga with worldwide popularity,big franchise,and one of the top selling manga

 

[Lariatoo]

Honestly, the only part I seriously hated from this series was the Kaguya arc, after Madara got oneshotted. Everything sucked. When Obito kamuied out of heaven to five Kakashi his eyes, who in return made a flying Perfect Susanoo of the bat, I seriously considered dropping This manga for good. But I honestly loved the entirety of Naruto vs Sasuke fight (don't care is fanservice. I'm a fan. I got serviced) and actually enjoyed the ending and epilogue. And to me this series was close to perfect up to the War arc...
And the war arc did have some fantastic fights and memorable moments...

 

[Lightbringer]

Because it was good and after the halfway point it started to go down in quality until the ending turned to utter shit.

And because it used to be good, we were already committed into finishing it and still had the hope of it getting better, which it never did.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Naruto wasn't bad until Fourth War Arc, especially how rushed it was. I mean, come on, look how shitty Kishi designed K11's kids, and forgetting to give NaruHina's kid's Byakugan. Naruto was best enjoyed in Part 1.

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Um, the War Arc lasted about three, almost four years...I don't think it was rushed at all.

 

[Naruto.]

Well, the only thing I will say is, despite how many errors, plotholes, and tons of stuff being there in the manga, Kishimoto's writing was addictive, bar some war arc chapters.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Because it was good and after the halfway point it started to go down in quality until the ending turned to utter shit.

And because it used to be good, we were already committed into finishing it and still had the hope of it getting better, which it never did.

This sums up my thoughts very well. Seriously, within the last 30 chapters alone, I could probably point out 50 or more flaws/fails .

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Or saved naruto & sasuke from getting a ass whoppin by double rinne Juudara. :|

Susanoo'd Fox would have shitted on Madara. His best attack already failed against him.

 

[Dockinabix]

It's always a pleasure to see people complain about things when they wouldn't be able to do 1/10th of the work needed, and that they never thinked at the pressure of serializing a big series.

If the series went bad, it's not because of the author only, it's from the fans and the editors mainly.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

It's always a pleasure to see people complain about things when they wouldn't be able to do 1/10th of the work needed, and that they never thinked at the pressure of serializing a big series.

It's called criticism.

 

[Dannie]

It's always a pleasure to see people complain about things when they wouldn't be able to do 1/10th of the work needed, and that they never thinked at the pressure of serializing a big series.

If the series went bad, it's not because of the author only, it's from the fans and the editors mainly.

It's not about being able to write or draw like Kishi. It's about giving our opinion on what he created. Criticizing Kishi's story is like judging a painting at a museum. People can make comments about what they like and don't like about that painting, but almost all of those who make the comments could probably never dream of painting a Mona Lisa. Still doesn't counter the point that we can still criticize what we don't like about a particular creation.

Also, it's not the "fans" fault for why Kishi's manga is bad to some people. It's the editors fault for giving him ideas that would have been better left off and many things that were not even explained, shown or just rushed with no time to build on.

*It also gets pretty irritating of having to listen to hardcore die hard Naruto fans who can't accept the fact that this manga is not perfect, nor is it the best, and if you think it is the best then good for you, but don't come crying when someone doesn't like it.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

90 percent of the manga was great,the last 10 percent was filled with retcons,plotholes,and inconsistencies.

Above all Kishi isn't a bad writer,he's just painfully average.