Only juubi jins can react to ftg.

[KidGamer65]

And what can Minato do against the Mazou? Nothing, he can't even seal one bijuu without killing himself.

Let's not forget that the only reason Obito was struggling was because Kakashi had the Kamui which let Naruto into his own dimension. Good luck fighting against a double MS Obito or a double MS Kakashi for that matter.

Doesn't need to beat the Mazo to beat Obito. He can ignore it and go right for him.

Yeah, a solid counter to Kamui is why he was struggling, Minato has already shown his solid counter, and lol. DMS Kakashi has Rikudo's power, and so did Obito when he got his other eye back, completely irrelevant to my main point. Age is irrelevant. Obito was a top tier when Minato stomped him, so that's a feat for him, and a good one at that.

 

[Lightbringer]

Doesn't need to beat the Mazo to beat Obito. He can ignore it and go right for him.

Yeah, a solid counter to Kamui is why he was struggling, Minato has already shown his solid counter, and lol. DMS Kakashi has Rikudo's power, and so did Obito when he got his other eye back, completely irrelevant to my main point. Age is irrelevant. Obito was a top tier when Minato stomped him, so that's a feat for him, and a good one at that.

Here we go again...age is irrelevant. So Naruto at the age of 18 is no better with the rasengan than Naruto at the age of 12?

Ignore a Gedou when Obito can just keep using kamui for defensive measure while attacking with the Gedou?

Also a double MS Kakashi was shown to be able to attack and defend at the same time. He was able to maintain transparency and keep his Raikiri active. That's pure Kamui power.

14 year old Obito was not top tier. Let's not kid ourselves Kidgamer.

 

[KidGamer65]

Here we go again...age is irrelevant. So Naruto at the age of 18 is no better with the rasengan than Naruto at the age of 12?

Ridiculous comparison. People obviously get stronger with age, not something I'm denying. That doesn't change the fact that Obito being 14 isn't a logical reason for him not being a top tier. That's literally the only reason you have for him not being a top tier, and that is just as good as having no real reason at all.

Ignore a Gedou when Obito can just keep using kamui for defensive measure while attacking with the Gedou?

Gedo can be warped away by Hiraishin, leaving Obito to fend for himself, the moment he tries to call for it using Summoning, Minato marks him with the same combo he used 17 yrs ago.

Also a double MS Kakashi was shown to be able to attack and defend at the same time. He was able to maintain transparency and keep his chidori active. That's pure Kamui power.

DMS Kakashi w/ Rikudo's power. Lol @ it being pure Kamui power. If you believe that, you better get me feats of anyone doing that with pure Kamui power.

14 year old Obito was not top tier. Let's not kid ourselves Kidgamer.

-Fully proficient with Kamui, Space Time Ninjutsu more advanced than Hiraishin.

-Izanagi.

-Mokuton.

-Uchiha Kinjutsu.

Yet he's not top tier? Really now? Let's not delude ourselves.

 

[Lightbringer]

Ridiculous comparison. People obviously get stronger with age, not something I'm denying. That doesn't change the fact that Obito being 14 isn't a logical reason for him not being a top tier. That's literally the only reason you have for him not being a top tier, and that is just as good as having no real reason at all.


Gedo can be warped away by Hiraishin, leaving Obito to fend for himself, the moment he tries to call for it using Summoning, Minato marks him with the same combo he used 17 yrs ago.



DMS Kakashi w/ Rikudo's power. Lol @ it being pure Kamui power. If you believe that, you better get me feats of anyone doing that with pure Kamui power.



-Fully proficient with Kamui, Space Time Ninjutsu more advanced than Hiraishin.

-Izanagi.

-Mokuton.

-Uchiha Kinjutsu.

Yet he's not top tier? Really now? Let's not delude ourselves.

lol fully proficient? He dodged Gai and Kakashi's surprise attack from behind, but he couldn't dodge Minato's rasengan? Obviously he was a master of Kamui at 14.

So Obito can't call the Gedo while maintaining transparency?

One kamui is to make yourself transparent and the other Kamui is to single out body parts to become materialized, like Kakashi's hand when he did Kamui Raikiri. I don't see how the Rikudou Chakra would figure into this?

So Rikudou power granting new Kamui abilities would make more sense than a second MS giving new abilities, even though it was stated that having two eyes is what awakens the full potential of the sharingan?

And if you are talking about the use of Sharingan only, let's not forget Izanagi which Obito can use and catch Minato off-guard.

I'm pretty much done, it's obvious we're not going to agree.

 

[KidGamer65]

lol fully proficient? He dodged Gai and Kakashi's surprise attack from behind, but he couldn't dodge Minato's rasengan? Obviously he was a master of Kamui at 14.

If you actually read the manga correctly, you'd know why those two situations are different. Minato baited Obito into attacking so he could strike. When Obito attempts to warp, he becomes tangible.

Not to mention that has pretty much jack to do with proficiency with Kamui, so this point is irrelevant anyway.

So Obito can't call the Gedo while maintaining transparency?

Uh? No. If he's moving himself to the other dimension, he can't interact with this one.

One kamui is to make yourself transparent and the other Kamui is to single out body parts to become materialized, like Kakashi's hand when he did Kamui Raikiri. I don't see how the Rikudou power would figure into this?

That's a function you made up right on the spot. Both of those functions belong to a single eye, not to one separate eye each, and please stop

So Rikudou power granting new Kamui abilities would make more sense than a second MS giving new abilities, even though it was stated that having two eyes is what awakens the full potential of the sharingan?

-Kamui Shuriken.

-Kamui Raikiri.

Yes, it makes way more sense than what you are saying. Awakening full potential=/=Ability of a single eye changing for absolutely no reason.

And if you are talking about the use of Sharingan only, let's not forget Izanagi which Obito can use and catch Minato off-guard.

I'm pretty much done, it's obvious we're not going to agree.

If Izanagi was useful, he wouldn't have lost to Minato before.

 

[Great Master Minato]

And if you are talking about the use of Sharingan only, let's not forget Izanagi which Obito can use and catch Minato off-guard.

Yeah I'd Love To See Obito Using A Sneak Up Attack Against A Sensor With Better Reaction Time & Striking Speed.
If He Tried Something Like That He'd Eat The Second Rasengan & I Doubt That He Could Survive Again!

 

[Lightbringer]

Yeah I'd Love To See Obito Using A Sneak Up Attack Against A Sensor With Better Reaction Time & Striking Speed.
If He Tried Something Like That He'd Eat The Second Rasengan & I Doubt That He Could Survive Again!

Doesn't Minato have to focus in order to sense something? He doesn't have auto-sensing like a rinnegan user.

I mean he failed to sense Obito approaching and kidnapping Naruto.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Doesn't Minato have to focus in order to sense something? He doesn't have auto-sensing like a rinnegan user.

I mean he failed to sense Obito approaching and kidnapping Naruto.

Fist Of All Rinnegan Won't Give You Sensing Abilities...Precognition? Sure.
& Yeah Minato Has To Change His Chakra Type To Sensor Mode & I'm Pretty Sure He'll Do During A Battle.

 

[Lightbringer]

Fist Of All Rinnegan Won't Give You Sensing Abilities...Precognition? Sure.
& Yeah Minato Has To Change His Chakra Type To Sensor Mode & I'm Pretty Sure He'll Do During A Battle.

Obito, Madara, Sasuke, and Nagato were shown having sensing with the Rinnegan, unless if they all happened to be sensors.

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but whatever, that's not the point.

With Izanagi, Minato would believe Obito is dead for a moment and let his defenses down. That's when Obito would strike.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Obito, Madara, and Nagato were shown having sensing with the Rinnegan, unless if they all happened to be sensors.

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but whatever, that's not the point.

With Izanagi, Minato would believe Obito is dead for a moment and let his defenses down. That's when Obito would strike.

Both Madara & Nagato Are Sensors Rinnengan Didn't Grant That To Them & In The 3rd Pic Obito Is A Juubi Jin So He Had Sensing Like Any Other Jin...No Kind Of Dojutsu Will Give You Sensing But Precognition.

@Bold Minato Will React & Strike Him Down Again...Given Minato's Superior Reaction Time & Striking Speed.

 

[Lightbringer]

Both Madara & Nagato Are Sensors Rinnengan Didn't Grant That To Them & In The 3rd Pic Obito Is A Juubi Jin So He Had Sensing Like Any Other Jin...No Kind Of Dojutsu Will Give You Sensing But Precognition.

@Bold Minato Will React & Strike Him Down Again...Given Minato's Superior Reaction Time & Striking Speed.

And how do you explain Sasuke then? Never shown to sense anything before obtaining the Rinnegan.

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How would he react to something he's not sensing? Again, he failed to sense Obito approaching his newborn son.

 

[Great Master Minato]

And how do you explain Sasuke then? Never shown to sense anything before obtaining the Rinnegan.

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How would he react to something he's not sensing? Again, he failed to sense Obito approaching his newborn son.

He Said I Felt Naruto's Chakra He Didn't Sense It...Just Like When He & The Co Felt Kurama's Chakra From The Leaf When Naruto Was Fighting In The Land Of Iron...Sasuke Isn't Listed As A Sensor In DB As Far As I Know...Maybe I'm Wrong.

@Bold Again...He Wasn't In Sensor Mode During That Time But There's No Reason For Him To Turn Off His Sensory During A Fight & Minato's Reaction & Striking Speed Are Superior To Obito's So If He Gets Close Minato Is The One Who Lands The Blow First.

 

[Lightbringer]

He Said I Felt Naruto's Chakra He Didn't Sense It...Just Like When He & The Co Felt Kurama's Chakra From The Leaf When Naruto Was Fighting In The Land Of Iron...Sasuke Isn't Listed As A Sensor In DB As Far As I Know...Maybe I'm Wrong.

@Bold Again...He Wasn't In Sensor Mode During That Time But There's No Reason For Him To Turn Off His Sensory During A Fight & Minato's Reaction & Striking Speed Are Superior To Obito's So If He Gets Close Minato Is The One Who Lands The Blow First.

Izanagi makes it seem like Obito died. Why would Minato keep his sensing on if he believed Obito to be dead and the fight over?

Even Karin was surprised when he showed up behind Sasuke. She didn't even have time to warn him.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Izanagi makes it seem like Obito died. Why would Minato keep his sensing on if he believed Obito to be dead and the fight over?

Even Karin was surprised when he showed up behind Sasuke. She didn't even have time to warn him.

Ok We Assume Obito Will Surprise Minato...Then What'll Happen? He'll Simply Warp Away & Avoid Being Hit Or Take Him Down With A Counter Attack...Minato's Reaction Speed Is To Good To Being Hit Unless The Opponent Has God Tier Striking Speed Like Juubi Jin Which MS Obito Doesn't.

 

[Lightbringer]

Ok We Assume Obito Will Surprise Minato...Then What'll Happen? He'll Simply Warp Away & Avoid Being Hit Or Take Him Down With A Counter Attack...Minato's Reaction Speed Is To Good To Being Hit Unless The Opponent Has God Tier Striking Speed Like Juubi Jin Which MS Obito Doesn't.

Well if he's smart then he can approach Minato from behind and stab him. Unless if he makes some sort of noise while he's doing that, then Minato has no way to really react to it since he has his sensing off and doesn't expect it, much like how Madara was stabbed by Hashirama.

 

[Bolt Rules]

Itachi also can

 

[Great Master Minato]

Well if he's smart then he can approach Minato from behind and stab him. Unless if he makes some sort of noise while he's doing that, then Minato has no way to really react to it since he has his sensing off and doesn't expect it, much like how Madara was stabbed by Hashirama.

Hashirama Used Clone Feint Against Madara Who Was Exhausted At The Time & He Didn't Have An Instant S/T To Escape Unlike Minato...He Needs A Mere Thought To Use FTG & Escape Out Of Harm.

 

[Lightbringer]

Hashirama Used Clone Fain Against Madara Who Was Exhausted At The Time & He Didn't Have An Instant S/T To Escape Unlike Minato...He Needs A Mere Thought To Use FTG & Escape Out Of Harm.

But how would he sense Obito approaching if he has his sensing abilities turned off? If Obito attacks him while he's unsuspecting, then he will get hit.

You're making it seem like there's no possible way for Minato to get hit.

The scenario is.

1. Obito uses Izanagi and Minato thinks he won.

2. Minato lets his guard down because he thinks he's won, Obito's body is still in front of him

3. Obito quietly comes from behind and stabs him without warning.

Almost the same scenario that happened with Konan.

 

[Great Master Minato]

But how would he sense Obito approaching if he has his sensing abilities turned off? If Obito attacks him while he's unsuspecting, then he will get hit.

You're making it seem like there's no possible way for Minato to get hit.

The scenario is.

1. Obito uses Izanagi and Minato thinks he won.

2. Minato lets his guard down because he thinks he's won, Obito's body is still in front of him

3. Obito quietly comes from behind and stabs him without warning.

Almost the same scenario that happened with Konan.

All Shinobis Can Sense Danger...Minato Is A Kage...It's Impossible To Perform A Silent Kill On Him.
Konan Noticed Obito Was Behind Him But It's Was Too Late & She Couldn't Escape While Minato Can With His Instant S/T.
Like KG65 Said If Izanagi Was Going To Work Obito Would've Used It.

 

[Torche]

All Shinobis Can Sense Danger...Minato Is A Kage...It's Impossible To Perform A Silent Kill On Him.
Konan Noticed Obito Was Behind Him But It's Was Too Late & She Couldn't Escape While Minato Can With His Instant S/T.
Like KG65 Said If Izanagi Was Going To Work Obito Would've Used It.

Dafuq. :|

Naruto and Mito were the only people with negative emotion sensing; "danger" sensing.

Why didn't Madara sense BZ?