Ok, here we go...Anime always depicted the chakra as blue, yet now her chakra is purple.
Yes, it does. As it could very easily be said he's infusing his attacks w/ bijuu chakra for the orange one's and not doing so for the blue ones.
Already told you the diffrence, one is blue, other is purple. Why is the latter purple, unlike blue as the former is? Diffrent chakra.
And yet you're okay w/ presuming Sakura can unblock chakra points despite it never being shown or said.
At least w/ Hinata's case, there are hints, such as her chakra changing colour from blue to purple, her attack having a different name despite looking the exact same as TLF other than colour, and her actually meeting Hamura.
This isn't even an argument Lol
The Jesus man already did that, try again. What was the point of Hamura showing up if the other dude already explained everything?
Her chakra was blue before this. So yes, it did change.
I dare you to find a single scan that states that Sakura can unblock chakra points.
See what I did there?Hypocrite
I don't need to give a scan anyways, as it as already shown her lion fists attack went from blue to purple, what's the answer for this? Only obvious answer is that she recieved a diffrent kind of chakra.
It means his descendants, those that have his DNA can damage it.
He didn't, he simply powered up Hinata's attack.
That's like saying all Uzumakis have Hagoromo's chakra, when we all know it's not the same as what happened to NAruto in particular.
You tend to do that a lot w/ your Yin seal theory, y'know?
Chakra was still shown to be the same as the anime [blue] as shown by Naruto's rasengan being blue. Therefore, this would mean Hinata's chakra is still blue, like in the anime, and turned purple after meeting Hamura.
Moreover, it's clear more than anything else that the movie follows the coloration of the anime and not the manga, so that only further shows that Hinata's TLF being purple is not some mere design choice.
One is blue, other is purple. Yet they have the same function> Why's one blue and the other purple ? It's because of Hamura's chakra being infused into it.
It's funny how when you want, Hinata's feats are "only for romantic purposes" yet when you want, her feats are "nothing but fact"
If her flying is for romantic purposes, than her being saved by Naruto and being caught by Naruto are also done for nothing but romance and should not be
Actions speak louder than words, we saw her fly, so there's no need to say she can.
Kishi didn't have full control over the movie Lol
Oh, just like how it's fact Hinata was shown flying? yet here you are denying it, yelling about it being for romance and atmosphere, yet going on to say every other romantic scene is completely valid in feats. Make up your mind.
Gonna leave this here, because I already explained this
All which happened before she got the chakra. And even if she did, this still doesn't disprove that she wasn't flying at the end of the movie when they kissed. Who's to say she didn't figure it out at that exact moment? Naruto was initially falling into Kaguya's lava pit and had to get saved by Sasuke, didn't he?
Yet a few seconds later, he was flying, because he grasped it at that exact moment. Same could be said for Hinata's case; She gained the chakra, but learned to fly later
Always depending on that slow-mo argument, eh?
Let me repeat myself, because you seem to like avoiding questions.
If it was slow motion, the snow wouldn't be falling as it was, and if it was slow motion, Hinata would still have her hair flowing upwards due to the wind. If it was slow motion, they would not have been in the exact same place for 30 seconds without even a shred of hint that they have moved even one inch downwards.
Again, What kind of indication do you have for me to believe they were 'falling very slowly' ? Why are they falling very slowly to begin with? Why should I believe this when everything I pointed out goes against it and that we know they're back on earth.
In the same context as how all the Uzumaki have Hagoromo's chakra, yet the chakra Naruto got from Hagoromo is not the same.
Yeah
chakra went from blue to purple. Explain this.
30 seconds of footage w/ absolutely no indication of down ward movement [yet rather, there was sideways movement] disagree w/ this.
Yes
no
look at her abilities section on her page, just above the Dojutsu part.
Still Hinata's, because she has Byakugan [it wasn't activated in that scene] and 64 palms shows her reflexes are better and more precise
Just showing how it was on par in abilities to Kuaram, who is 1/9th the Juubi's. And we already saw how many times inferior Kurama was to the Juubi. So it's not hard to belive the Juubi is superiro to the golem [no shit Lol] .
Except the one Sakura reacted to was an unstable form of the Juubi, while the one hinata reacted to was the V2 Juubi, and it was stable.
Stable form > Unstable form, naturally.
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Sakura also had a surprise bubble, that just means the two noticed the enemy. Not to mention, as I said before, she was in a battle pose, getting ready to take them on, and she fell on her knees because Naruto knocked her down.
Again, Naruto knocked Hinata down, it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't showed up.
i wasn't refering to her way of dealing w/ the zetsus, as the manga and anime depict her reaction, expression, and pose diffrentl. I was only refering to the fact that naruto is the reason she was on her knees, not because she couldn't handle the zetsus.
I guess I just found a better one
No, I didn't, here's a link to the full page
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how do you know they're more experienced? Hinata probably depends on Air Palm more than those two, since they have other techs. Then again, I already said how Byakugan isn't needed if it's not a human opponent.
When did this happen?
Good job ignoring context. She made it over to the other side just fine, the reason she stumbled was becasue the edge of the building crumbled. Something like that bares no weight in a battle scenario.
K, still doesn't prove Sakura's reflexes are better, since Hinata didn't have Byakugan on.
Nah, Sakura showed surprise at seeing the spike [hence the scream] meaning she didn't see it coming, not the same as Hinata's case. Not to mention that whole scene is darker than black, so it's not clear what even happened.
Because Naruto didn't knock her down as he did to Hinata.
So I guess Sakura was gonna be injured badly too because she also had the surprise bubble on her panel ? Lol That's nothing more than to show they've noticed the enemy.
Naruto knocked her down, not the enemies, get that through your head.
it's almost like she didn't want Toneri to know what she's doing.
Then again, Naruto never went into BSM against the puppets. It's nothing more than plot. Unless you're gonna tell me BSM loses to TOneri's puppets.
Hinata never had Hamura's chakra when the TOneri puppet confronted her. Also, Toneri is at god tier, above even EMS Madara and Hashirama, so even w/ Hamura's chakra, Hinata wouldn't be as strong.
My conclusion says that Kakashi's intellect was off the mark by a long shot, as not only was Hinata the one who found hints regarding Hanabi's location [the Kunai], she was also the one who found the portal to the moon, as well as the one who stopped the moon from falling, twice, along side Naruto.
I've said this before, so here it is again: Kakashi is a bad hokage. Him becoming Hokage was nothing more than fanservice for his fans due to getting rid of the sharingan.
I took the liberty to organize our debate for topic in discussion, I am just feeling too tired to properly reply to each fragment.
Hinata's Chakra Trasnfer
- Your premises are:
- Different chakra color
- New name for the same technique
- Regarding to the new name of the technique, It's kind of crazy that a new techniques makes your conclusion more convincing, from what I know, she could have learned that technique in the 2 years that have passed since the war ended, and she could have performed it using the Hamura chakra she just receive, so I fail to understand how a new technique, very similar to one she has used in the manga, imply she has received chakra from a superior being.
- Now, the new color chakra is good enough to determine she had chakra transferred to her?
Let's analyse this, Naruto and Sasuke were the ones that had received chakra from Hagoromo, and they didn't have their chakra color changed, Naruto's chakra was always different due to he is a Jinchuriki, and no one noticed that Sasuke had the color of his chakra changed. Disregarding what the anime will show, cause it's not canon...
Kishi cover wth Naruto in God mode, and his chakra is still yellow just like his previews cloaks:
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Said this, If Naruto and Sasuke didn't have the color of their chakra changed after Hagoromo gave them his chakra, why do you assume Hinata had chakra transferred in The Last?
And most importantly, why are you assuming Hamura's chakra is violet/purple? With the color argument it's more likely that Sasuke transferred her chakra than Hamura... Toneri was Hamura's descendant, he has more pure blood bonds with Hamura, and his chakra was Green...
- Besides, you are dennying the fact Hinata stated "Hamura chakra flows within her TOO"
Maaning she is not the only one, all her family does along with Toneri too.You must be registered for see images
- And finally, I have found a translation a Hinata fan made of Hinata's profile in the Retsu no Sho/The Last Databook:
Just search for Retsu-no-sho on Tumblr and you will find it.
As you see there is no mention of Hamura's chakra or her flying skills either.
Sorry, but there is no way Kishi leaves that behind, you delusion came to an end.
I really can't understand the way you think, and the how you conveniently interpreted the movie in your favorite character benefit without noticing, but If you still want to think that way, go ahead... I am not debating any longer with an irrational person.
Sakura and Hinata - Speed Feats
- OMG! Please don't play with me that way, am I crazy or we just agreed on something?
Of course Hinata has better reflexes with Byakugan active, I never claimed that.
Databooks only assign the Base Stats of a character, so Sakura has better reflexes than Hinata when her Byakugan is off (3 vs 2.5), but this changed when the Hyuuga turn on the veins on her face.
Byakugan provides a better reading in CQC combats, similar to Sharingan, but better, oh... you know all that so I don't have to say it.
But Sakura movement speed is still faster, Byakugan, as much great advantages it provides, It doesn't make you move faster or any smarter either.
- Thanks for the scan, I didn't remember that, the thing is we don't know how Hinata get to save Neji, was neji fighting others? Was Hinata get advantage of the surprise factor?
Many many options and scenarios that would make your hypothetical example fail.
Neji has always been praised to be stronger, faster, better than Hinata in every single aspect, Databooks support it and so does his feats and hype.
I believe you are not biased enough to think Neji is slower than Hinata War arc, right?
All we know, is that the protected him from a Zetsu, but that don't necessarily means she outspeeded him... we just don't know.
- Hinata had to be saved by Naruto and Sakura was the one who jumped first, yes, I am comparing how they reacted to the same very attack that was aimed to hit them equally, with the same preparation, exhaustion, time, etc.
Hinata didn't move, Sakura did, as simple as that.
- The fact that you think that you can compare Manga attacks with Anime ones, is kind of stupid.
There is no time between one panel an other, so no, your comparison is not valid.
With that logic, I could say Sakura is way faster than Hinata by comparing the speed of their attacks when they were ambushed by some puppets in the movie... Not to mention she get hit once, and the puppets weren't trying to kill her.
If you think she was trying to discretely destroy the Tenseigan, which is a valid point, well every discretion should have ended when she got discovered. It's stupid for her to think than Toneri, the one who controlled the puppets with the Tenseigan don't know that they are being attacked... So the fact that she only used Gentle Fist an other melee attacks to beat them can't be justified for her discretion.
- Considering now the scenarios where Hinata and Sakura were struggling with White Zetsus, Hinata was going to get mutilated, and Sakura was going to get..... grabbed?
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The manga doesn't suggest Naruto pushed her back to save her, that is the anime and yours interpretation, which also imply she was going to be badly mutilated as well as the manga. Anyway, Anime = Filler.You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
So no.
- Yes, Sakura reacted to an unstable juubi, what's with it? It was already proven in the manga that some times power without control can be superior in power and speed, and again, the one that attacked Sakura had full Hatchibi and half Kyuubi, and that makes it more powerful than the one Hinata countered.
- Hinata falling three times on canon has no weigh on a Battle scenario?
The first time she tripped in the middle of a war, the second one she almost fell off the edge of high building but Naruto saved her, and the other one the floor broke under her feet and she tripped again, and Naruto saved her, again.
What has anything to do that she tripped on the edge? That is a valid justification?
She has horrible balance... - Can't be said whether if she was using Byakugan or not when she reflected the spike, the pages of the actual manga are way too smaller than that, the fragment you provided was zoomed in, It's not noticeable in the real size.
Pretty weird you didn't call the anime version on this matter Only when it supports your point, right?
Anyway, she had Byakugan before and after she used Air palm and there is no reason for her to turn it off.
Hinata Flying Skills
I can't believe I am debating this.
Your entire argument depends on a single scene which was forced in order to be romantic and beautiful.
- If we consider the whole anime canon, and we used the stupid logic your using, all of the characters that were shown jumping from tree to tree have the ability to fly.
In most cases, they make one jump in the middle of a conversation and last for several minutes in the air (check minute 32:15):
It's like Captain Tsubaza, they run and run and run and they never get to the other side of the field.[video=youtube;ZzVfcbopHmI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzVfcbopHmI[/video]
Trying to prove Hinata can fly is like trying to prove the field size was superior to the one stated in the official rules.
It's idiotic...
- Even if any fapper agrees with you on this "feat", you don't get to say she can fly, I don't know what you are watching, I only saw her standing in the same place and moving only by holding Naruto.
So this scene shows Hinata floating in the air, not moving at all, only with the help of Naruto and the great impulse that sent them there.
Great power up!
- Flying skills are missing on Retsu no sho, already provided above. If that skill was true, It had been included, but there is nothing on her profile.
How odd, right?
Byakugou counters Gentle Fist
I don't repeat my whole argument again about this issue, only a quick summary with the premises and the conclusion:
These are the facts
- Naruto received the 64 palms directly, hitting all his body and sealing Naruto's chakra network for a while.
- Naruto channeled Kyuubi chakra through his body and got a sh*tty that didn't proide Naruto with long chakra arms/claws or high level defense, the cloak didn't change Naruto's personality and it didn't have the shape of the fox.
- Sealed chakra is safe from Gentle Fist
- By releasing sealed chakra to the user's network, one's chakra flow stop being "sealed" by Gentle Fist and the user can use chakra again.
Not in that time, or any other.
The most idiotic and frustrating thing about debating this again is that you already agreed with me about this issue several times. And every chance you have to throw it again you do, ending in the same way as always.
I conclude with premises I took from facts of the manga, you are concluding about Hamura's Chakra with premises such as the color of her chakra and the new name of the technique.
