She said it when she give Naruto enough chakra to perform a cloak:
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The thing is she had it all the time along with other members of the Otsutsuki and Hyuuga clan, that's why she says:
The truth is she comes from a clan that had its origins in Hamura linage, that's why she they all have his blood, that's why all Hyuugas and Otsutsuki have his chakra, and they always did.
You're partially right. Yes, she has his chakra, and yes, so do all other Ootsutsuki and Hyugas, but that's like saying all Uchiha, Senju and Uzumaki have Hagoromo's chakra. It's true in a sense, but it's not in the same context as how Sasuke and Naruto have his chakra. Hinata also received Hamura's own chakra when she met him. Hence why we got her knew technique, the Eight Trigrams Twin Lion Surging Shot. Basically, she has Hamura's blood thanks to being one of his children, and has his chakra through being given it when meeting him
Just gonna leave some quotes from the wiki in case it helps to better explain it
The chakra from Hamura Ōtsutsuki is rather special, just like his brother. Those that have it can use the Tenseigan and are immune to its effects, as well as a special chakra draining attack. This type of chakra was inherited by the main branch of the Hyūga clan, such as Hinata Hyūga who became the "Byakugan Princess", and Hamura directly transferred his own chakra to her so she could destroy the Tenseigan Altar. And also members of the Ōtsutsuki clan have inherited this chakra such as Toneri Ōtsutsuki.
Eight Trigrams Twin Lion Surging Shot: An improved version of Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists, used by Hinata after she obtained the chakra of Hamura Ōtsutsuki. This technique is increased in both strength and potential from its predecessor and, unlike the parent technique's, the chakra of this technique is purple-coloured.
As a member of the main family of the Hyūga clan, Hinata had inherited powerful chakra directly from Hamura. The strength of this chakra is what drew Toneri to her. When she met Hamura on the moon, he transferred his power and will to her to make her strong enough to destroy the Tenseigan
Her chakra color was violet in the whole movie, similar to Sasuke's Susanno in the anime, and Naruto had his chakra color pallet changed too, It was mostly yellow with a few exceptions, but in the anime most of his Rasengans and all his FRS are blue and white, not yellow, so you can't tell she has Hamura's chakra for the color the producers decided to give her.
The fact that she was able to give Naruto enough chakra to do a cloak, doesn't give Hinata Bijuu level chakra, or anything like that. Bijuu level chakra gave cloaks like that to an entire army, one cloak doesn't mean anything to me. You are also giving for granted that Naruto had all of his chakra sucked when Hinata assisted him, which is highly unlikely, considering one dies after being completely drained, and that Naruto has been stated that he has a great pool of chakra, not to mention being a Jinchuriki.
[*]So this is nothing new here, not a new power up, not even one hint of a chakra transfer or awakening, this movie doesn't make her any stronger at all... so let's count the Hamura chakra thing by a half of a point, only because I am feeling generous
No, she did actually get chakra from Hamura. Twin Lion Surging Shot is enough of proof for it.
[*]And no, she can't fly either, I have no idea where did you get that from. In the very ending of the movie where they are getting out of the cave, they are jumping on floating earth spheres, and Hinata trips (Yes, again, 1 time in the manga, 2 times in the movie), and Naruto had to help her get up. Then Naruto lifts Hinata and he uses 2 imperfect Rasengans to make them fly in the air at high speed.
I watched it, and I'm 100% certain that's not what one would define as falling, but rather floating or flying .
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Look at them in 14:03-14:06, they're right in the center of the moon, about a body's distance away from each other, before they start gliding towards one another. Then look at them in 14:26-14:32, still in the same location.
Not only are they still in the same location for around 30 seconds at max, but it's clear they're not falling and are instead in-place due to Hinata's hair gently flowing in the breeze, as opposed to what would happen to her hair if they were descending. Look at the snow falling downwards, and yet they're still in place, for multiple seconds in a row with absolutely nothing showing or indicating or hinting at them falling or descending .
What kind of indication do you have for me to believe they were 'falling very slowly' ? Why are they falling very slowly to begin with? Why should I believe this when everything I pointed out goes against it and that we know they're back on earth.
PD2: Hinata had to saved by Naruto again when the giant Hamura golem attacked the team. Sakura didn't, she was the first one to jump and successfully evade the monster.
You're referring to what happens at part 3, 27:30 I assume, aren't you?
Let's get something clear here: Hinata didn't have to be saved by Naruto as you're putting it, she just was because he felt like it. She could have jumped out of the way from such a slow moving attack, considering she was able to react to the Juubi's much faster hand. Unless you're gonna tell me Hinata saving Neji from a Zetsu clone also means her reflexes , defenses, and taijutsu are better than Neji's. It's the same reason why Naruto jumped in and saved Hinata from the three white Zetsu despite her already having taken a battle possession to fight them off on her own.There's a difference between saving someone because they can't save themselves and saving someone simply because you care for them. Neji being saved by Hinata & Hinata being saved by Naruto in both cases is the latter.
Where was that feat you had from Sakura's and Hinata's reflexex comparison? Seems to me like Sakura just brought you down from you cloud.
Oh right, the one that Hinata blocks one spike, while using Byakugan, meaning she saw from a pretty longer distance than Sakura did. That doesn't sound like a legit way to evaluate how sharp are these Kunoichi's reflexes, if you ask me... . But the golem one it's pretty legit.
Her evasion skills are apparent by her very fighting style itself, her ability to keep up w/ Neji in speed, her Byakugan's ability to grant better reflexes, and the fact that she was able to react to a projectile Sakura failed to do so to. But hey, having little feats in dodging beats having negative feats in dodging. I'm talking about how Sakura has failed time and time again to dodge many things.
Sakura dodged like one or two of Sasori's attacks, yet she failed to dodge 15 others. Not exactly a good record, I must say. In any case, show me the panel where she did so.
That may be so, but given what we've seen from her in the war, in the LAST, in that fight against Neji, and from what's been said, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that she's superior to Sakura.
I'd hardly say Sakura's had a fight, she was mostly just a tool in the Chiyo VS Sasori fight.
I'm sorry, but how exactly is Hinata's character based on hype? Everything I've said has been down right fact. Her reflexes have been shown to be superior to Sakura's, as well as her taijutsu, arm speed, and range.
Because she is; Hinata has pretty much every thing Neji has, sans Rotation, though she makes up for that w/ her own unique abilities.
Why do I care if she's "trained in evasion" when that hype has failed to come through time and time again?
Examples:
Sakura has failed to evade the following
1. Couldn’t dodge Omoi’s fodder kick
2. Couldn’t dodge A single wooden spike (while Hinata and Neji had no problem dealing with multiple spikes) and needed saving from Kakashi
3. Couldn’t dodge Sasuke’s chidori and needed saving from Kakashi
4. Couldn’t dodge Kabuto’s butt, which knocked her out cold
5. Couldn’t dodge a flying rock
6. Couldn't dodge 4-tailed Naruto's tail swing
Her only good evasive feats are against Sasori’s puppets, and even then, that is undermined by the fact that Sakura essentially had prep time to analyze Sasori’s attack pattern while chiyo controlled her and kept her safe from harm. Otherwise, she would have died instantly.
In other words, if Sakura has no prep time to analyze the opponents attack pattern, then she won’t be able to avoid them easily.
In fact, Sakura was only able to avoid certain death 13 times due to chiyo saving her ass with her puppetry skills from sasori’s attacks and her having prep time to make 3 antidotes, of which 2 were used on her.
3 times in 265
4 times in 267
1 time in 268
2 times in 269
1 time in 270
1 time in 271
1 time in 273
2 times in 274
Thats a total of 15 fails of Sakura avoiding Sasori’s attacks, adding the fails from the list above, and we’ve got 21 moments where Sakura has failed to use her “super awesome” evasive skills that you love to hype up.
So stop trying to make is seem like her evasive skills are something so great and amazing when they really aren’t anything impressive at all.
Yep, because a Chunnin Level ninja would lose their balance instead of using Chakra to stay still.
Hinata can fly away and stay air born. From their, it's just Air Palm spam until she dies
Wow your still hooked up on the wood spike funny thing is if Hinata was in Sakura's place in the Sasori's battle I doubt she would dodge any of it.
Hinata failed to dodge what:
Nothing oh yeah maybe because she hasn't shown any reaction feats except one like I said she's based on hype wait didn't she get hit by a fodder Toneri henchman.Her Byakugan won't work since Sakura knows the the weak point which allowed her to bash Kaguya's head in and I'm pretty sure Kaguya can utilize the Byakugan on a much more advanced level than Hinata.She's nothing like Neji she hasn't shown the ability to use Byakugan to such levels.Sakura's Sasori's fight at least showed her more skill and what's she was able to do like Analyse destroy and heal.Sakura couldn't dodge the Wooden spikes because she was busy healing Kakashi remember Zetsu the kunai was inches away from her yet she reacted to it and smashed him.
Anyway if we're going by the Last,Sakura bulldozers her way in like she did with the puppets they all came at different angles but were decimated the moment they tried to come in contact that is what will happen to Hinata
You do know in the last that Hinata never ranked up so she's still a Chunin.
The byakugan's blind spot is too thin to allow a human to sneak up on it's user. Only real thing that can get to it is a Kunai or a dagger, as Kidomaru showed. Sakura hitting Kaguya doesn't mean she knows about the blind spot, as the blind spot is a closely protected secret. Moreover, her supposedly knwoing the blind spot isn't what allowed her to attack Kaguya, but rather the fact that Sasuke and Naruto and Kakashi all helped set up the attack for her to do. Not to mention Kaguya only managed to appear from behind because Naruto and Sasuke were after Kaguya. How would a scenario like this even play out on a one-on-one?
A swear, I can't belive how bad of an argument this is
in and I'm pretty sure Kaguya can utilize the Byakugan on a much more advanced level than Hinata.
No, the 4th databook said Hinata's Byakugan is in no way inferior to Neji's. Not to mention that by feats, her Byakugan, as well as Hiashi's and Tokuma's, surpass Neji's.
Sakura's Sasori's fight at least showed her more skill and what's she was able to do like Analyse destroy and heal.
You mean those things the entire alliance, including Hinata, were fighting for 3 days straight? Yeah
Anyway if we're going by the Last,Sakura bulldozers her way in like she did with the puppets they all came at different angles but were decimated the moment they tried to come in contact that is what will happen to Hinata
Oh ? You mean those puppets with no human instinct, no byakugan, no training, no actual fighting style, no ability to use their arms, and no capability to make any actual reactions? Please, those little girl dolls were the WEAKEST puppets Toneri had in his collection Lol Hinata even ended up fighting even more superior ones
You do know in the last that Hinata never ranked up so she's still a Chunin.
I'm just here to add this, Hinata deflecting the spike WITHOUT Byakugan is bs, it was very well still activated unless you want to believe Hinata is a complete f*cking idiot.
When she first steps up, she has it activated along with her father and Neji.
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Neji still has it activated while using rotation and gets overwhelmed.
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Hiashi is shown to have it still activated when Naruto throws a RasenShuriken. (Look VERY closely at his face, he's on the left side of the page, it's faint, but you can still see the veins out indicating Byakugan is still active.)
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And the same moment Hinata uses Air palm.
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So I'm supposed to believe Hinata is the ONLY ONE who stopped using her Byakugan when under an assault? Lol no, she'd be the biggest idiot ever if she did. You can just chalk this up to shoddy drawing.
Also, she has it active WHEN SHE JUMPS IN FRONT OF NARUTO.
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So if we go with LB's interpretation, Hinata deactivated her Byakugan for ONE PANEL just to air palm... while she was in a desperate situation, only to reactivate it again in the next page... Lol.
So she deactivated it when still in danger, and therefore is a f*cking idiot. Lol K.
I'd also love to hear your explanation on why it's shown to be active again seconds later when the "camera" was zoomed in and more attention was paid to the details on her face. Lol
So you're saying that she did have Byakugan activated when she used air palm in 614 when I gave you a clear panel of her face w/ nothing whatsoever to indicate she has Byakugan on? Now, THIS is what's called denying manga panels XD
Hinata using Air Palm in 614 w/o Byakugan is completely realistic and more factual than what you're saying, as I not only provided a panel of Hinata w/o Byakugan in that very scene, I also provided another moment where she is shown using Air Palm w/o using her Byakugan, further supporting that she didn't use Byakugan in 614 .
So you're saying that she did have Byakugan activated when she used air palm in 614 when I gave you a clear panel of her face w/ nothing whatsoever to indicate she has Byakugan on? Now, THIS is what's called denying manga panels XD
Hinata using Air Palm in 614 w/o Byakugan is completely realistic and more factual than what you're saying, as I not only provided a panel of Hinata w/o Byakugan in that very scene, I also provided another moment where she is shown using Air Palm w/o using her Byakugan, further supporting that she didn't use Byakugan in 614 .
Way to completely ignore my post. The PROBLEM with your argument is that she clearly had it activated RIGHT before and RIGHT after using the air palm in 614, WHY would she just suddenly deactivate it when still in danger? She had no reason to; I showed YOU scans, but you just ignore them so you can continue your retarded facade of an argument. You have no explanation for this, so just leave me alone now and wait for Keimil to shit on you once again. Lol
OT: Sakura is exceptional at evasion at this point, and is strong as hell. Hinata having Air Palm raises the stakes, but ultimately I say Sakura high diff.
You're partially right. Yes, she has his chakra, and yes, so do all other Ootsutsuki and Hyugas, but that's like saying all Uchiha, Senju and Uzumaki have Hagoromo's chakra. It's true in a sense, but it's not in the same context as how Sasuke and Naruto have his chakra. Hinata also received Hamura's own chakra when she met him. Hence why we got her knew technique, the Eight Trigrams Twin Lion Surging Shot. Basically, she has Hamura's blood thanks to being one of his children, and has his chakra through being given it when meeting him
She didn't receive any chakra from Hamura in the movie, at all.
The fact she has a new technique, or the same technique with a new name, doesn't make me or anyone who call himself a reasonable person think that she received chakra from a superior being during a "flashback" where it wasn't explicitly said or hinted that she is given such a precious gift.
Girl, I have watched the movie now, I know what happened so I don't have to depend on third parties, rumors, reviews, or summaries anymore, I know for a fact that she didn't receive any chakra from Hamura, and anyone who saw the movie would know.
Maybe It's on The Last Databook information, but the movie doesn't suggest that at all.
With that logic when any character could show a technique with a new name(in this case, similar and almost identical to a technique she used before and no other character get surprised or react to this new skill, considering Naruo was there and has already seen the first version of it)right after talking with a God's ghost or sealed memories, (where no chakra was seen being transferred and they no one even talked about it), we all have to assume chakra has been transferred at some point?
I'll wait for some translation for the Last Databook translation, maybe It's a power up given by Databook, that would be new...
Regarding to your wikia quotes, It's funny how some of the pieces of the info you provided doesn't have a source in Narutopedia, and the one that does have a source says "The Last: Naruto the Movie". I am talking about the one that says:
Two years after the Fourth Shinobi World War, Hinata developed a stronger variant of the Twin Lion Fists, called the Eight Trigrams: Twin Lions Crumbling Attack, which when powered by Hamura's chakra was strong enough to damage the Energy Vessel the Tenseigan.[6]
I dare you to find scan of the movie, or the acurate minute wheres these "facts" are stated.
One thing that is false, from the quoted Wikia fragments, is that Hamura gave Hinata his chakra in order to destroy the Tenseigan, she explicitly said that only with Hamura's blood was able to touch it, not someone with his chakra. Of course, in this scenario it means the same, since the Hyuuga are all Hamura's children, so they have their chakra and blood.
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Again, maybe It's on the Last Databook, I haven't heard any of it, but the movie doesn't suggest it at all.
I don't know what you are talking about, the wikia said she developed that technique in the two years that has passed from the 4th Shinobi War, which would be perfectly reasonable. It also says it's powered up with the chakra she received from Hamura, which is still missing in the movie.
You and the wikia are stating different things... seems like you conveniently choose to use the Wikia only in the parts that follow and support your arguments, and omit the ones that go against.
I watched it, and I'm 100% certain that's not what one would define as falling, but rather floating or flying.
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Look at them in 14:03-14:06, they're right in the center of the moon, about a body's distance away from each other, before they start gliding towards one another. Then look at them in 14:26-14:32, still in the same location.
Not only are they still in the same location for around 30 seconds at max, but it's clear they're not falling and are instead in-place due to Hinata's hair gently flowing in the breeze, as opposed to what would happen to her hair if they were descending. Look at the snow falling downwards, and yet they're still in place, for multiple seconds in a row with absolutely nothing showing or indicating or hinting at them falling or descending .
What kind of indication do you have for me to believe they were 'falling very slowly' ? Why are they falling very slowly to begin with? Why should I believe this when everything I pointed out goes against it and that we know they're back on earth.
She can fly, but Toneri grabbed and hanged her from the hair, fell a couple of times, Naruto needed to use the Rasengans when holding her to fly upwards at high speed, couldn't evade the Golem attack, didn't pursue Naruto when he went and save Toneri, and so many others....
That was just slow motion, followed by a romantic atmosphere, nothing else...
How come her flying abilities are not in the wikia? That kind of power must be stated in the Last Databook, though
(I can't believe I am actually debating the interpretation of that scene...)
First, you are just guessing It was slow because of how the animation was pulled, in the manga we can't tell how fast someone moves just by looking at the scans, there is no time between one an other, only space and movement effects.So you comparison between the Golem's hand speed and the Juubi's hand speed is invalid.
Secondly, they barely evaded it (specially Hinata), It did covered a great area.
Unless you're gonna tell me Hinata saving Neji from a Zetsu clone also means her reflexes , defenses, and taijutsu are better than Neji's. It's the same reason why Naruto jumped in and saved Hinata from the three white Zetsu despite her already having taken a battle possession to fight them off on her own.There's a difference between saving someone because they can't save themselves and saving someone simply because you care for them. Neji being saved by Hinata & Hinata being saved by Naruto in both cases is the latter.
I don't know or remember the Neji one you mentioned, I only remember that happening on the anime.
But the time Naruto saved Hinata from 3 Zetsus, she was going to be slaughtered by them for sure, she was on her knees when Naruto countered:
It's not noticeable in the panel, she was drawn very small.
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But Hinata had Byakugan active before and after she performed the Air Palm:
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Besides, Hakke Kusho has always been used with Byakugan active by other users:
Hiashi:
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Databook states, the need of using Byakugan too:
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Wherever you look in the movie or databook, or your fanfiction, Sakura is still above her. This movie didn't make Hinata any stronger, except the "new" technique which looks exactly like the one she used before.
Hinata fell 2 times, couldn't evade the Golem attack, barely handled the puppets that ambushed her (considering they weren't trying to kill her since we know Toneri needed her, and that they didn't used the chakra spheres to attack her), never get to attack Toneri or help Naruto when he fought Toneri-puppet, initially Kakashi didn't choose her for the mission...
She didn't receive any chakra from Hamura in the movie, at all.
The fact she has a new technique, or the same technique with a new name, doesn't make me or anyone who call himself a reasonable person think that she received chakra from a superior being during a "flashback" where it wasn't explicitly said or hinted that she is given such a precious gift.
Girl, I have watched the movie now, I know what happened so I don't have to depend on third parties, rumors, reviews, or summaries anymore, I know for a fact that she didn't receive any chakra from Hamura, and anyone who saw the movie would know.
Maybe It's on The Last Databook information, but the movie doesn't suggest that at all.
With that logic when any character could show a technique with a new name(in this case, similar and almost identical to a technique she used before and no other character get surprised or react to this new skill, considering Naruo was there and has already seen the first version of it)right after talking with a God's ghost or sealed memories, (where no chakra was seen being transferred and they no one even talked about it), we all have to assume chakra has been transferred at some point?
I'll wait for some translation for the Last Databook translation, maybe It's a power up given by Databook, that would be new...
Regarding to your wikia quotes, It's funny how some of the pieces of the info you provided doesn't have a source in Narutopedia, and the one that does have a source says "The Last: Naruto the Movie". I am talking about the one that says:
I dare you to find scan of the movie, or the acurate minute wheres these "facts" are stated.
One thing that is false, from the quoted Wikia fragments, is that Hamura gave Hinata his chakra in order to destroy the Tenseigan, she explicitly said that only with Hamura's blood was able to touch it, not someone with his chakra. Of course, in this scenario it means the same, since the Hyuuga are all Hamura's children, so they have their chakra and blood.
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Again, maybe It's on the Last Databook, I haven't heard any of it, but the movie doesn't suggest it at all.
I don't know what you are talking about, the wikia said she developed that technique in the two years that has passed from the 4th Shinobi War, which would be perfectly reasonable. It also says it's powered up with the chakra she received from Hamura, which is still missing in the movie.
You and the wikia are stating different things... seems like you conveniently choose to use the Wikia only in the parts that follow and support your arguments, and omit the ones that go against.
Now, what has the name has to do with anything?
Good, because you have been stating otherwise
I don't really get how....
She can fly, but Toneri grabbed and hanged her from the hair, fell a couple of times, Naruto needed to use the Rasengans when holding her to fly upwards at high speed, couldn't evade the Golem attack, didn't pursue Naruto when he went and save Toneri, and so many others....
That was just slow motion, followed by a romantic atmosphere, nothing else...
How come her flying abilities are not in the wikia? That kind of power must be stated in the Last Databook, though
(I can't believe I am actually debating the interpretation of that scene...)
That is your assumption, Sakura was the first one to jump, Hinata was saved by Naruto, these are the facts.
First, you are just guessing It was slow because of how the animation was pulled, in the manga we can't tell how fast someone moves just by looking at the scans, there is no time between one an other, only space and movement effects.So you comparison between the Golem's hand speed and the Juubi's hand speed is invalid.
Secondly, they barely evaded it (specially Hinata), It did covered a great area.
I don't know or remember the Neji one you mentioned, I only remember that happening on the anime.
But the time Naruto saved Hinata from 3 Zetsus, she was going to be slaughtered by them for sure, she was on her knees when Naruto countered:
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It's not noticeable in the panel, she was drawn very small.
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But Hinata had Byakugan active before and after she performed the Air Palm:
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Besides, Hakke Kusho has always been used with Byakugan active by other users:
Hiashi:
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Databook states, the need of using Byakugan too:
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Wherever you look in the movie or databook, or your fanfiction, Sakura is still above her. This movie didn't make Hinata any stronger, except the "new" technique which looks exactly like the one she used before.
Hinata fell 2 times, couldn't evade the Golem attack, barely handled the puppets that ambushed her (considering they weren't trying to kill her since we know Toneri needed her, and that they didn't used the chakra spheres to attack her), never get to attack Toneri or help Naruto when he fought Toneri-puppet, initially Kakashi didn't choose her for the mission...
She didn't receive any chakra from Hamura in the movie, at all.
The fact she has a new technique, or the same technique with a new name, doesn't make me or anyone who call himself a reasonable person think that she received chakra from a superior being during a "flashback" where it wasn't explicitly said or hinted that she is given such a precious gift.
Girl, I have watched the movie now, I know what happened so I don't have to depend on third parties, rumors, reviews, or summaries anymore, I know for a fact that she didn't receive any chakra from Hamura, and anyone who saw the movie would know.
Maybe It's on The Last Databook information, but the movie doesn't suggest that at all.
Explain to me what exactly the difference between Lion Fists and Surging Shot is.
Because the obvious explanation is that her chakra is purple due to having received chakra from Hamura, and the Surging Shot attack is a Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists attack infused w/ that chakra.
What purpose did Hamura have in showing up then ? The Jesus-man already explained everything . It's obvious that he showed up to give her his chakra, which we saw later when Hinata's chakra turned purple.
One thing that is false, from the quoted Wikia fragments, is that Hamura gave Hinata his chakra in order to destroy the Tenseigan, she explicitly said that only with Hamura's blood was able to touch it, not someone with his chakra.
You don't just have someone's chakra by being their child, you have to be given it. By that logic, every Senju, Uzumaki and Uchiha should have the same chakra that Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke. But they don't, do they ? No .
And clearly, Hinata is a special case among the Hyuga, as she was refereed to as the byakugan Princess by Toneri, Hamura, and the Jesus-man. Hanabi was not refereed to as such .
I don't know what you are talking about, the wikia said she developed that technique in the two years that has passed from the 4th Shinobi War, which would be perfectly reasonable. It also says it's powered up with the chakra she received from Hamura, which is still missing in the movie.
Again, I ask: Explain to me what the difference between her manga attack and movie attack is? you have no answer, yet I do. Surging Shot is powered by her Hamura chakra, which she recieved from Hamura, hence why her attack is purple instead of blue.
It shows the attack is different. Yet when we look at the function of both TLF and Surging Shot, they're the exact same aside from colour. One is blue, the other is purple. What does that tell us? That the thing that differentiates TLF from SS is that the latter is infused w/ Hamura's chakra.
She can fly, but Toneri grabbed and hanged her from the hair
All which happened before she got the chakra. And even if she did, this still doesn't disprove that she wasn't flying at the end of the movie when they kissed. Who's to say she didn't figure it out at that exact moment? Naruto was initially falling into Kaguya's lava pit and had to get saved by Sasuke, didn't he?
Yet a few seconds later, he was flying, because he grasped it at that exact moment. Same could be said for Hinata's case; She gained the chakra, but learned to fly later
Naruto needed to use the Rasengans when holding her to fly upwards at high speed
Why did she need to ? Like, really? How the flip does that prove she can't fly? Because she didn't want to? It's like saying Naruto couldn't use KCM because he never used it until the Golem showed up Lol
Lack of feat isn't a disapproval of a feat.
Again, refer to above. Already explained how it's possible Hinata learned to fly at the very end, same as how it was for Naruto to learn how to fly
That was just slow motion, followed by a romantic atmosphere, nothing else...
If it was slow motion, the snow wouldn't be falling as it was, and if it was slow motion, Hinata would still have her hair flowing upwards. If it was slow motion, they would not have been in the exact same place for 30 seconds without even a shred of hint that they have moved even one inch downwards.
Again, What kind of indication do you have for me to believe they were 'falling very slowly' ? Why are they falling very slowly to begin with? Why should I believe this when everything I pointed out goes against it and that we know they're back on earth.
How come her flying abilities are not in the wikia? That kind of power must be stated in the Last Databook, though
And yet you're saying Hinata didn't have Byakugan on when she used Air palm, which is your assumption [which has already been proven wrong] . Please stop being so hypocritical.
First, you are just guessing It was slow because of how the animation was pulled
So much BS. The movie depicted the Golem's arm swing as slow, so much so that Naruto in base was able to avoid it. Yet the Juubi's hand blitz'd Kurama when he was off guard. Are you gonna tell me the golem is faster than the Juubi? That damn golem was being bested by Kuaram, who is, get this, only 1/9th of the Juubi.
in the manga we can't tell how fast someone moves just by looking at the scans, there is no time between one an other, only space and movement effects.So you comparison between the Golem's hand speed and the Juubi's hand speed is invalid.
Relative speed and statements do the trick. In this case, the Juubi was able to out speed Kurama w/ a punch [albeit he was off gaurd], yet Hinata reacted to the Juubi's hand coming at her.
Secondly, they barely evaded it (specially Hinata), It did covered a great area.
No, Hinata was in a battle possession, getting ready, she was not gonna get slaughtered by such weak opponents.
Unless you're claiming Sakura was gonna get slaughtered by one zetsu. Because by your logic, since Naruto saved Hinata, it means she can't react/figh the Zetsus, yet Naruto also saved Sakura from the zetsu, does that mean Sakura can't react/fight one Zetsu?
That's because Naruto knocked her down when he came in between them. Even the anime depicted the scene as such.
It's not noticeable in the panel, she was drawn very small.
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But Hinata had Byakugan active before and after she performed the Air Palm:
No where does it say there that Byakugan is necessary for Air palm. Byakugan is needed to pinpoint organs on human enemies, the spike and the Juubi or not human enemies.
Wherever you look in the movie or databook, or your fanfiction, Sakura is still above her. This movie didn't make Hinata any stronger, except the "new" technique which looks exactly like the one she used before.
That was when Toneri had made her chakra control go crazy, and making her feat numb. Don't say things without knowing context, it just makes you come off as ignorant.
Second time was when Hinataa and Naruto were jumpin across the buildings of the ruin and the ground crumbled below her feet due to it being so old. That's not considered a trip.
You still plan on using this argument ? Lol It's like I said, being saved by Naruto doesn't mean she couldn't have avoided it, when she managed to react to the faster Juubi's hand. She was simply saved because Naruto felt like saving her, not because she needed saving.
It's like saying Naruto saving sakura from the Zetsu that was like a meter or so away from her means Sakura can't evade one Zetsu's attack, which obviously would not have been the case.
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Again, learn the difference between saving because the person simply cares and saving because the person actually needs saving.
barely handled the puppets that ambushed her (considering they weren't trying to kill her since we know Toneri needed her, and that they didn't used the chakra spheres to attack her),
Why should I? When was stated that her chakra was blue to begin with? Anime/Filler?
The color of Naruto's chakra was wierd too, he used yellow/orange Futon Rasen Shurikens and blue Rasengans in the same fight scene, that makes sense? FTR was never yellow in the anime, and yellow/orange Rasengans aren't pretty common neither.
Lol Why should I explain that? Its only feat is attacking and failing to destroy the Tenseigan, no further explanation was provided, the Wikia says It's a technique that she mastered in the time skip, I don;t know where did they get that from, do you?
Honestly, when I watched the movie, I saw no difference in the technique, only in the translation, but whatever...
Because the obvious explanation is that her chakra is purple due to having received chakra from Hamura, and the Surging Shot attack is a Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists attack infused w/ that chakra.
That is not obvious, since she never get to receive that, you cannot presume she did for having her chakra color changed and a new technique, and you know It.
How come Naruto didn't notice the change? And what about the others? All the team knew her chakra color as well.
What purpose did Hamura have in showing up then ? The Jesus-man already explained everything . It's obvious that he showed up to give her his chakra, which we saw later when Hinata's chakra turned purple.
Explaining the actual meaning of the Celestial Decree, and how Toneri is wrong, and how Hinata, and every other Hyuuga or being with Hamura's chakra can destroy the Tenseigan.
Her chakra never actually "turned" purpule, the only times where her chakra appeared in the movie was purple, as simple as that, there was no change at all whatsoever.
You don't just have someone's chakra by being their child, you have to be given it. By that logic, every Senju, Uzumaki and Uchiha should have the same chakra that Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke. But they don't, do they ? No .
And clearly, Hinata is a special case among the Hyuga, as she was refereed to as the byakugan Princess by Toneri, Hamura, and the Jesus-man. Hanabi was not refereed to as such
Really? Then what has to do the chakra with the Tenseigan then?
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Why Hinata specifically stated you need to have Hamura's blood to damage the Tenseigan? Why Hinata didn't cut herself and attack with her own blood?
Why Naruto was able to attack the Tenseigan if he doesn't Hamura's blood?
Because It's idiotic to think that!!
Hyuugas have both Hamura's chakra and blood, It's the same!!! Deal with it!! The fact that you need Hamura's blood to attack the Tenseigan, and Naruto was able to attack It using Hinata's chakra proves it.
Again, I ask: Explain to me what the difference between her manga attack and movie attack is? you have no answer, yet I do. Surging Shot is powered by her Hamura chakra, which she recieved from Hamura, hence why her attack is purple instead of blue.
I don't have to explain anything, the movie didn't, so why should I make up a fake/canon-free/biased story about it, they choose a different color from the anime, and they put it a different name. So in the case this jutsu is not explained in the Last Databook, you will keep you doubts until you die.
It shows the attack is different. Yet when we look at the function of both TLF and Surging Shot, they're the exact same aside from colour. One is blue, the other is purple. What does that tell us? That the thing that differentiates TLF from SS is that the latter is infused w/ Hamura's chakra.
All which happened before she got the chakra. And even if she did, this still doesn't disprove that she wasn't flying at the end of the movie when they kissed. Who's to say she didn't figure it out at that exact moment? Naruto was initially falling into Kaguya's lava pit and had to get saved by Sasuke, didn't he?
Yet a few seconds later, he was flying, because he grasped it at that exact moment. Same could be said for Hinata's case; She gained the chakra, but learned to fly later
Why did she need to ? Like, really? How the flip does that prove she can't fly? Because she didn't want to? It's like saying Naruto couldn't use KCM because he never used it until the Golem showed up Lol
No, It's not, she needed help to get up, if you can fly, you don't need any, you can get up, or release yourself from a enemy that got you hanged in mid-air, that kind of stuff.
If it was slow motion, the snow wouldn't be falling as it was, and if it was slow motion, Hinata would still have her hair flowing upwards. If it was slow motion, they would not have been in the exact same place for 30 seconds without even a shred of hint that they have moved even one inch downwards.
Again, What kind of indication do you have for me to believe they were 'falling very slowly' ? Why are they falling very slowly to begin with? Why should I believe this when everything I pointed out goes against it and that we know they're back on earth.
How desperate are you CC? Seriously? Claiming she can fly is way too biased, even for you, I can almost look at you through my screen, It's so sad how bad you want Hinata to be superior than Sakura that you came with this sh*t about Hinata flying alongside Naruto in a romantic scene when they kissed by the moonlight.
You are the only one claiming this sh*t, only your fapper sidekicks are with you, a logical person know this for sure after watching the movie:
Hinata has Hamura chakra along side all the Hyuuga clan
She is not the reincarnation of Hamura
She is didn;t recieve chakra from Hamura
She can't fly
Seriously, deal with it, It's starting to look pathetic...
Actually no, I think the review on The Last that the Wikia did is full sh*t, the movie never suggested any of the Hamura's chakra transfer, it never states how did Hinata learned the same technique twice and changed the name on the second one either, non of that...
You can watch reviews summaries on Youtube, I already have, and no one, and I mean no one came with the same idea of Hinata that you did, you are creating your own movie in your head.
The Wikia states Hinata can fly? Are you writing the Wikia? Lol Please, a link for the nonsense....
And yet you're saying Hinata didn't have Byakugan on when she used Air palm, which is your assumption [which has already been proven wrong] . Please stop being so hypocritical.
So much BS. The movie depicted the Golem's arm swing as slow, so much so that Naruto in base was able to avoid it. Yet the Juubi's hand blitz'd Kurama when he was off guard. Are you gonna tell me the golem is faster than the Juubi? That damn golem was being bested by Kuaram, who is, get this, only 1/9th of the Juubi.
Don't care, you are still comparing attacks in different media, It's not valid.
All I know is Hinata couldn't evade it and Sakura could, which makes sense since she has been faster since Part 2.
Relative speed and statements do the trick. In this case, the Juubi was able to out speed Kurama w/ a punch [albeit he was off gaurd], yet Hinata reacted to the Juubi's hand coming at her
The Hamura Golem also out-speeded the Fox... so?
Sakura was also able to react at the juubi hand, and this one is the full Juubi, with full Hatchibi and half Kyuubi, the one that attacked Hinata is inferior to the one Sakura reacted to:
No, Hinata was in a battle possession, getting ready, she was not gonna get slaughtered by such weak opponents.
Unless you're claiming Sakura was gonna get slaughtered by one zetsu. Because by your logic, since Naruto saved Hinata, it means she can't react/figh the Zetsus, yet Naruto also saved Sakura from the zetsu, does that mean Sakura can't react/fight one Zetsu?
That's because Naruto knocked her down when he came in between them. Even the anime depicted the scene as such.
She was standing with a giant surprise bubble on her head, and after that she was on her knees, there couldn't be more signs how needed was Naruto there.
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Sakura was "saved" from 2 Zetsus that took her by surprise, in her defense she was in attack position too, but her stance when Naruto destryed them wasn;t that pathetic, and Naruto used a Rasengan, It would have been perfectly normal if she had appeared on her knees.... Lol
Seems to me like Hinata was going to be badly mutilated...
He pushed Hinata from the same place Naruto blocked the attacks, and right before he did it, Hinata looked surprsised and stand back a little, no blocking or countering chance at all.
Just saying, I wouldn't have looked at the anime if you hadn't suggested it...
No where does it say there that Byakugan is necessary for Air palm. Byakugan is needed to pinpoint organs on human enemies, the spike and the Juubi or not human enemies.
That was when Toneri had made her chakra control go crazy, and making her feat numb. Don't say things without knowing context, it just makes you come off as ignorant.
Second time was when Hinataa and Naruto were jumpin across the buildings of the ruin and the ground crumbled below her feet due to it being so old. That's not considered a trip.
You still plan on using this argument ? Lol It's like I said, being saved by Naruto doesn't mean she couldn't have avoided it, when she managed to react to the faster Juubi's hand. She was simply saved because Naruto felt like saving her, not because she needed saving.
All I know is she didn't react asfast as Sakura did. Sakura jumped first, Hinata didn't.
With your argument I could say Sakura didn't need saving, and Kakashi saved her from the spike just in case...
It's like saying Naruto saving sakura from the Zetsu that was like a meter or so away from her means Sakura can't evade one Zetsu's attack, which obviously would not have been the case.
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Again, learn the difference between saving because the person simply cares and saving because the person actually needs saving.
Sakura was in attack position too, and didn't fell on her knees at all after Naruto killed them.
Hinata was caught by surprise by those 3 Zetsus and thats why she had that surprise sign on the panel, she was going to be injured badly for sure, and this seems even more likely since after the attack she was on her knees.
Really? Hamura chakra unable to damage Toneri or his puppets? XD
When did it become that fodder?
She has other attacks besides Gentle Fist, what about juho soshiken, It can drain chakra, Air palm can push people, I mean come on, Naruto finished him with a chakra punch.
Anime always depicted the chakra as blue, yet now her chakra is purple.
The color of Naruto's chakra was wierd too, he used yellow/orange Futon Rasen Shurikens and blue Rasengans in the same fight scene, that makes sense? FTR was never yellow in the anime, and yellow/orange Rasengans aren't pretty common neither.
Yes, it does. As it could very easily be said he's infusing his attacks w/ bijuu chakra for the orange one's and not doing so for the blue ones.
Lol Why should I explain that? Its only feat is attacking and failing to destroy the Tenseigan, no further explanation was provided, the Wikia says It's a technique that she mastered in the time skip, I don;t know where did they get that from, do you?
Honestly, when I watched the movie, I saw no difference in the technique, only in the translation, but whatever...
Already told you the diffrence, one is blue, other is purple. Why is the latter purple, unlike blue as the former is? Diffrent chakra.
That is not obvious, since she never get to receive that, you cannot presume she did for having her chakra color changed and a new technique, and you know It.
And yet you're okay w/ presuming Sakura can unblock chakra points despite it never being shown or said.
At least w/ Hinata's case, there are hints, such as her chakra changing colour from blue to purple, her attack having a different name despite looking the exact same as TLF other than colour, and her actually meeting Hamura.
How come Naruto didn't notice the change? And what about the others? All the team knew her chakra color as well.
Explaining the actual meaning of the Celestial Decree, and how Toneri is wrong, and how Hinata, and every other Hyuuga or being with Hamura's chakra can destroy the Tenseigan.
The Jesus man already did that, try again. What was the point of Hamura showing up if the other dude already explained everything?
Her chakra never actually "turned" purpule, the only times where her chakra appeared in the movie was purple, as simple as that, there was no change at all whatsoever.
I dare you to find a single scan that states that Sakura can unblock chakra points.
See what I did there? Hypocrite
I don't need to give a scan anyways, as it as already shown her lion fists attack went from blue to purple, what's the answer for this? Only obvious answer is that she recieved a diffrent kind of chakra.
Really? Then what has to do the chakra with the Tenseigan then?
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Why Hinata specifically stated you need to have Hamura's blood to damage the Tenseigan? Why Hinata didn't cut herself and attack with her own blood?
You tend to do that a lot w/ your Yin seal theory, y'know?
they choose a different color from the anime, and they put it a different name. So in the case this jutsu is not explained in the Last Databook, you will keep you doubts until you die.
Chakra was still shown to be the same as the anime [blue] as shown by Naruto's rasengan being blue. Therefore, this would mean Hinata's chakra is still blue, like in the anime, and turned purple after meeting Hamura.
Moreover, it's clear more than anything else that the movie follows the coloration of the anime and not the manga, so that only further shows that Hinata's TLF being purple is not some mere design choice.
No, that's was never suggested, you are fooling yourself to think that.
One is blue, other is purple. Yet they have the same function> Why's one blue and the other purple ? It's because of Hamura's chakra being infused into it.
Retarded logic? I am being called retarded because you are biasly interpreting a romantic scene in slow motion?
It's funny how when you want, Hinata's feats are "only for romantic purposes" yet when you want, her feats are "nothing but fact"
If her flying is for romantic purposes, than her being saved by Naruto and being caught by Naruto are also done for nothing but romance and should not be
It was specifically stated that he can fly, what about Hinata?
Oh, just like how it's fact Hinata was shown flying? yet here you are denying it, yelling about it being for romance and atmosphere, yet going on to say every other romantic scene is completely valid in feats. Make up your mind.
No, It's not, she needed help to get up, if you can fly, you don't need any, you can get up, or release yourself from a enemy that got you hanged in mid-air, that kind of stuff.
Gonna leave this here, because I already explained this
All which happened before she got the chakra. And even if she did, this still doesn't disprove that she wasn't flying at the end of the movie when they kissed. Who's to say she didn't figure it out at that exact moment? Naruto was initially falling into Kaguya's lava pit and had to get saved by Sasuke, didn't he?
Yet a few seconds later, he was flying, because he grasped it at that exact moment. Same could be said for Hinata's case; She gained the chakra, but learned to fly later
In a romantic scene in slow motion, sure... Sakura just learned Sage Mode on that scene too.
Let me repeat myself, because you seem to like avoiding questions.
If it was slow motion, the snow wouldn't be falling as it was, and if it was slow motion, Hinata would still have her hair flowing upwards due to the wind. If it was slow motion, they would not have been in the exact same place for 30 seconds without even a shred of hint that they have moved even one inch downwards.
Again, What kind of indication do you have for me to believe they were 'falling very slowly' ? Why are they falling very slowly to begin with? Why should I believe this when everything I pointed out goes against it and that we know they're back on earth.
Hinata has Hamura chakra along side all the Hyuuga clan
Just showing how it was on par in abilities to Kuaram, who is 1/9th the Juubi's. And we already saw how many times inferior Kurama was to the Juubi. So it's not hard to belive the Juubi is superiro to the golem [no shit Lol] .
Sakura was also able to react at the juubi hand, and this one is the full Juubi, with full Hatchibi and half Kyuubi, the one that attacked Hinata is inferior to the one Sakura reacted to:
She was standing with a giant surprise bubble on her head, and after that she was on her knees, there couldn't be more signs how needed was Naruto there.
Sakura also had a surprise bubble, that just means the two noticed the enemy. Not to mention, as I said before, she was in a battle pose, getting ready to take them on, and she fell on her knees because Naruto knocked her down.
Sakura was "saved" from 2 Zetsus that took her by surprise, in her defense she was in attack position too, but her stance when Naruto destryed them wasn;t that pathetic, and Naruto used a Rasengan, It would have been perfectly normal if she had appeared on her knees.... Lol
Seems to me like Hinata was going to be badly mutilated...
He pushed Hinata from the same place Naruto blocked the attacks, and right before he did it, Hinata looked surprsised and stand back a little, no blocking or countering chance at all.
Just saying, I wouldn't have looked at the anime if you hadn't suggested it...
i wasn't refering to her way of dealing w/ the zetsus, as the manga and anime depict her reaction, expression, and pose diffrentl. I was only refering to the fact that naruto is the reason she was on her knees, not because she couldn't handle the zetsus.
how do you know they're more experienced? Hinata probably depends on Air Palm more than those two, since they have other techs. Then again, I already said how Byakugan isn't needed if it's not a human opponent.
Nope, was a combination of the animation budget for the movie, and an act of good will from Kishi, for never giving her Rotation.
Good job ignoring context. She made it over to the other side just fine, the reason she stumbled was becasue the edge of the building crumbled. Something like that bares no weight in a battle scenario.
All I know is she didn't react asfast as Sakura did. Sakura jumped first, Hinata didn't.
Nah, Sakura showed surprise at seeing the spike [hence the scream] meaning she didn't see it coming, not the same as Hinata's case. Not to mention that whole scene is darker than black, so it's not clear what even happened.
Sakura was in attack position too, and didn't fell on her knees at all after Naruto killed them.
Because Naruto didn't knock her down as he did to Hinata.
Hinata was caught by surprise by those 3 Zetsus and thats why she had that surprise sign on the panel, she was going to be injured badly for sure, and this seems even more likely since after the attack she was on her knees.
So I guess Sakura was gonna be injured badly too because she also had the surprise bubble on her panel ? Lol That's nothing more than to show they've noticed the enemy.
Naruto knocked her down, not the enemies, get that through your head.
Use Kunais, explosive tags, Air Palm, Juho Shoshinken, Rotat... Oh right.
it's almost like she didn't want Toneri to know what she's doing.
Then again, Naruto never went into BSM against the puppets. It's nothing more than plot. Unless you're gonna tell me BSM loses to TOneri's puppets.
Really? Hamura chakra unable to damage Toneri or his puppets? XD
When did it become that fodder?
She has other attacks besides Gentle Fist, what about juho soshiken, It can drain chakra, Air palm can push people, I mean come on, Naruto finished him with a chakra punch.
Hinata never had Hamura's chakra when the TOneri puppet confronted her. Also, Toneri is at god tier, above even EMS Madara and Hashirama, so even w/ Hamura's chakra, Hinata wouldn't be as strong.
Kakashi, the Hokage, a man whose intellect has stated to be great, a genius, wasn't going to include her in the Rescue Mission of her sister.
My conclusion says that Kakashi's intellect was off the mark by a long shot, as not only was Hinata the one who found hints regarding Hanabi's location [the Kunai], she was also the one who found the portal to the moon, as well as the one who stopped the moon from falling, twice, along side Naruto.
I've said this before, so here it is again: Kakashi is a bad hokage. Him becoming Hokage was nothing more than fanservice for his fans due to getting rid of the sharingan.
