what you told is gonna be the answer but as i told earlier the method will differ........now i think naruto will definitely hurt sasuke........he wont think even for a moment........thats gonna be his final answer.....................
But you said that it was wrong assuming that Naruto will use Rasengan when Sasuke uses Chidori. Well you are wrong. See Sasuke was surprised when Naruto first used Rasengan and at the valley of the end it was Rasengan vs Chidori and Sasuke knows Naruto too well. Sasuke knows rather than using any other techs Naruto will rather go head to head and use Rasengan.
how did sasuke know for sure naruto was going to charge forwards with a rasengan.
an educated guess. sasuke has worked with naruto in the past and knew that if naruto is met with a powerful jutsu coming straight at him naruto is going to try and force his way through.
Well not exactly Sennin, you are more or less putting words into my mouth. This was my quote "Naruto could have done something else for all Sasuke knew." Now, this is directed to the two of you. What will Sasuke knowing Naruto would use that jutsu accomplish? Naruto could have easily done a number of other things rather than use Rasengan. You?re saying Sasuke used Chidori because Naruto would use Rasengan as if it is a fact. In my opinion, the only reason why Naruto used his Rasengan rather than anything else was simply because of how Sasuke looked health wise and he obviously did not want to kill him so of course he was going to use his weakest attack. Sasuke had been using Chidori several times and because of his unstable mind it isn?t a surprise he would use that jutsu once again. I?m not saying this as a fact either but I sure am thinking otherwise.
also i based the kakashi beating sasuke thing on the sasukes chidori attack.
sasuke is using what chakra he has left for this attack by the looks of it so it wouldnt be able to withstand a full powered lightning blade. not only that but kakashi has his sharingan. so kakashi would be able to counter sasuke chidori while jabing him with a raikiri. if kakashi didnt do that then im sure kakashis raikiri will beat that lower powered chidori.
finally sasukes eyes are not as good as they where so sasuke doesnt need to be in tunnel vision to not be able to see the counter.
On what grounds can you even say that Sasuke wouldn?t be able to withstand Kakashi?s attack as a fact? You can you say that Sasuke?s Chidori would be low powered as a fact. Sasuke being a hair away from complete blindness is doing a hell of a lot better than what people are giving him credit for.
you say that the user doesnt need to be moving at that speed where the users eyes would enter the tunnel vision state.
from what i gather speed is needed in order to make the jutsu effective in combat.
if not then why would kakashi teach sasuke to move that fast and why would minato forbid the jutsu?
why not just teach sasuke to use chidori and why doesnt minato say "dont move that fast"
i base my opinions on logic. and the logical explanation in this case is to look at what has been said and shown and the conclusion is that the jutsu is powerful but in order to be effective you need speed and at the speed needed you need the sharingan to see your oponents counter or you are going to end up dead.
if any of these are wrong then why did kishi make it out like that?
im not saying im kishi, im giving my opinion just like you. someone on this forum saying "you are not kishi" doesnt diserve to be here. these are predictions made though what we have read and what we think will happen.
none of use can be proven wrong until kishi says/writes so.
this thread is for discussing opinions.
im not taking a dig at sasuke or i will exploit many of his flaws and idiotic moments.
i am saying what i have arrived at through my logic.
The speed/Sharingan combo was learned by a young Kakashi and of course when he taught Sasuke for the first time it was going to be the way he first learned how to. Only if they want a powerful result will they make a distance between themselves and the opponent to then turn Chidori into a high-speed stab of destructive power. In Shippuuden, these two do many other maneuvers with Chidori/Raikiri than just the far distance speed and pierce. Take a look below:
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Sasuke was standing on a tree branch and simply lunged his body with Chidori. Now where is this high speed/long distance needed to make this jutsu effective?
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Kakashi only used his Sharingan to make sure Kakuzu was in place as he was behind the tree before he plunged through it stabbing one of his hearts.
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Here Kakashi uses Raikiri to simply cut through Kakuzu?s threads.
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Kakashi uses his Raikiri to nullify Kakuzu?s Raiton: Gian.
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Kakashi uses Kuchiyose: Doton: Tsuiga no Jutsu to hold Zabuza in place and then lunges towards him with Raikiri.
As you can see from the above links Chidori/Raikiri are not being used like in pre-timeskip by needing a vast space in between to gain speed advantage because they use it however they want.
Listen that is just an expression I use and please do not take it to heart. It is just to make a point and that is to simply refrain from stating things as fact when they indeed are not. However you have committed time and time again the act of contradiction as you continue to state things in a factual manner. You have not been using logic/opinion/predictions per say but rather statements typed out as fact. You need to take your own advice and cease in fact typing unless it is Kishi confirmed. It definitely seems as though you don?t even realize the mistakes you are making. My advice, might you want to proofread before you post because most of what you are saying is in a factual manner and if you rather mean this as an opinion than please do form it in that way because you will be taken another way. Sasuke does not have any "idiotic moments" as you state. However due to his insanity/hatred that had been building since seven years of age his flaws were bound to happen as his self-confidence overruled the underestimation of his opponents. Despite his damaged psyche Sasuke is an extraordinary shinobi. Remember from the pre-timeskip to current timeline where Sasuke/Kakashi both use this Raiton jutsu have had many tunings/variations in which the methods are simply not exactly the same any longer. They both have surpassed the majority of back draws Chidori/Raikiri possess with the years of practice on each others parts.
sasukes other moves with the name chidori in, through my logic , i would say they are not the same kind of jutsu therefor do not have the same flaw as chidori.
why do i say they are not the same? because chidori as a jutsu uses alot of chakra focused in the users hand, then adds lightning and finally uses shape manipulation to turn it into a surge to increase its power.
now if you change its shape to fit a different purpose then its not the same.
it used what sasuke knows to create a different jutsu but kept the same noise (im guessing) which gave the chidori its name. therefor he called those jutsu chidori name status as they have the same obvious feature.
also i do say sasuke is useless without his sharingan.
all he really has is the fire style jutsu that he has which is easily avoided and the lightning jutsu that needs his sharingan and his chidori sword.
yes the chidori moves are good but they use alot of chakra and without his sharingan he wouldnt be able to see his oponents moves and would have to fight differently. he would be a chunin level ninja most likely.
sasuke has needed his sharingan ever since he fought haku. almost every oponent he has ever fought he used his sharingan. which if you ask me is like naruto using the foxs power against almost every oponent from the start.
right now it seems that its like naruto going 4-6 tails on everyone from the start.
i wouldnt say its like sage mode because naruto had to learn that not unlock a dormant power. naruto's is harder to work with and more of a burden. and works in the other way. rather than being able to avoid attacks it is able to withstand them in the cost of his life span.
id like to ramble on but i think you can get what im saying.
Okay, that logic you?re using is uncalled for because let me inform you with something. Sasuke?s Sharingan is his respectively and of course he is going to use it but to say that without it he is useless, is like saying Kakashi without his Sharingan is useless as well. Guess what; if Sasuke never had that Doujutsu Kekkei Genkai to begin with don?t you think that Kishi would have made him train/focus on other things? Whatever a ninja respectively owns whether it is a weapon/Kekkei Genkai/fighting style is simply theirs and shouldn?t have that taken away to then say they?re nothing without it because that is how Kishi has depicted his ninja to be out of the manga. Naruto?s Kyuubi comparison to Sasuke?s Sharingan is poorly done. A better comparison would be Sage mode as that is Naruto?s respectively (even though it was a powerup as he learned it in a minimal amount of days compared to Jiraiya who died without having yet perfected it). Also your quote "it is able to withstand them in the cost of his life span" is unconfirmed whether or not it eats life but if you still say otherwise then do show me proof.
in the next chapter,naruto is definitely gonna be affected or even controlled by the kyuubi as he had a cut from sakura's poison kunai.............so its deifinitely gonna devoid his chakra letting the kyuubi's chakra free.....so the kyuubi will take charge and this might even be an incident for them cooperate with each other.......(i.e) naruto to control the kyuubi.....................
Actually, it was tested against Kakashi`s Raikiri and the Fuuton: Rasengan was stronger, so his hand was burned because of it. Kakashi just showed that he could make a Rasengan to Naruto earlier, but he didn`t use it
ya even when they tested naruto was only in the halfway learning fuuton rasengan..........so there is no chance that he might have used the fuuton rasengan against sasuke ............atleast not now............
Same here >.> it would be disappointing chapter if that happen, because really Sasuke is like "No, i will kill everybody in the Leaf Village because they kill my Clan" or Sasuke is like " You don't understand Naruto, and you will never will." Sasuke say that like 3 times already!!! Jeeze we get it Sasuke your trying be all bad ass... but I disagree with Sasuke, Naruto had a much harder life then him.
1. He never knew his father and mother! Sasuke at least remember who his father and mother was and had some good memories of them .
2. Naruto was shuned by everybody when he was little >_> Sasuke was just a jerk and didn't want any friends.
3. Naruto is getting hunted down by Tobi because he carries a demon he doesnt even wants in the first place! And Sasuke... let just face he's guilty of all charges.
4. Naruto never felt the pain of losing a brother.... hmmm wrong again Sasuke. Sasuke "your were" like a brother to Naruto soo yeah enough said and plus Sasuke dont give me that bull crap, you killed your own brother sooo yeah you pretty much should kill yourself. Dang Sasuke your so gullible, you would believe in anything.
I dont hate Sasuke just found his comments he keeps saying to Naruto annyoning
I?m quite sorry to say this but I practically disagree with your entire post. I can see I don?t need to point out that he didn?t kill his brother since a thousand years of death beat me to it but nonetheless I must ask why you assume Sasuke is trying to be badass? I see it totally different, from what I have been seeing it appears as if Sasuke is currently in psychological shock. After Madara told him of the supposed truth Sasuke couldn?t handle it. I believe if we take a sort look back at those chapters you can understand what I mean. I?ve seen a lot of people that aren?t able to acknowledge that he is not in his right of mind ? and is currently speaking, acting and thinking while being in this unstable state.
These few pages should expand on what I said and in the process show how Sasuke slowly began to lose himself during his first conversation with Madara. He may have resisted it for a while but eventually this conversion alongside all the influences (Itachi and Orochimaru) molded Sasuke into what has become.
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On the page below he awakens from previously fainting.
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On this one it states that "The truth drives Sasuke mad!?"
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This last one it even went as far to state that "Sasuke loses it!"
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I believe this can clearly show all of the stress and trauma Sasuke was put through by hearing the ?truth?. Due to Sasuke having a strong will he was able to keep up a front that he displayed to the world but deep inside he was confused and detached himself from reality. Madara?s truth was a traumatic event for Sasuke and after it he began to falsely believe that Konohagakure was entirely to blame for everything. He is currently confused, delusional and has impaired judgment due to everything that has occurred to him through the course of the series. Itachi who was his brother and someone he loved and looked up to murdered everyone that he held dear and then forced him to watch the killings for twenty-four hours. I don?t know about everyone else but just once is enough to put some in psychological shock and can easily awaken the desire for revenge. Sasuke dealt with losing everyone he loved countless times and after it felt the need to distance himself from everyone in village. He had been betrayed by his brother and Sasuke wasn?t fully able to socialize with anyone due to the traumatic event that he had to experience.
On the other hand Naruto may have been ostracized by the village but in the process of growing up he was able to gain a fraternal bond between himself and Sasuke. Naruto had Iruka and Sarutobi to rely on whereas Sasuke closed himself up during the rest of his childhood. Naruto started off with nothing but as he continued on he gained what he had desired; the respect from the villagers and people who he could consider his family. Sasuke was an entire different case and the two shouldn?t really be compared. Sasuke had to have his bonds severed by someone he thought he could trust and after that had trouble functioning the same unlike Naruto who in time was able to gain friends. After closing himself to world for so long Sasuke had finally started to accept Naruto and the rest of his team.
After he fully opened up Itachi had decided to make a second appearance since Sarutobi had died. Itachi intended to show the village he was alive and well and after Sasuke confronted him he broke his wrist and forced in to see the clan?s massacre all over again. He was forced to relive the entire ordeal that constantly plagued him during his childhood. Since Sasuke?s mind was once again broken Orochimaru took this as his opportunity to offer him power in a chance to win over his body in the long run. I see Sasuke?s decision to abandon the leaf in fault of Itachi and Orochimaru because if he was left untouched he could have easily continued on his life and simply may have mourned and moved on. Itachi forced his younger brother onto that path of revenge and since he was so young he grew up believing that was his only chance at salvation. I?m quite sure Itachi didn?t wish for Sasuke to spiral out of control as he currently has but it is obvious that everything he has sustained is the cause for his actions. After Naruto lost one person that he held dear he became bent on revenge and desired to slaughter Nagato even after extracting revenge on The Six Paths. He was only able to hold himself back because of Jiraiya and Nagato?s story. Sasuke lost everyone important to him so one could only imagine how Sasuke felt during his childhood and since he grew up like that it was something difficult to let go of. Everyone may see things differently but I honestly can?t hold Sasuke responsible for anything because his life has had influences which drove him and are ultimately the reason why he became unstable.
Just because you believe him to be an idiot isn?t going to convince me otherwise. I can bet you anything that if Naruto had grown up in Sasuke?s shoes then he would be the one seeking the village?s destruction. Naruto said himself that he could have easily been in Sasuke?s shoes and almost gave into it from just losing Jiraiya when he didn?t even witness his death. I think that if Naruto could understand that everyone can understand, how hard is it to grasp? Naruto couldn't fathom what Sasuke had went through and only after losing Jiraiya was he able to better understand. Naruto had a bad past but didn't know what it meant to have someone who you hold dear get killed, and in Sasuke's case it done by someone who he loved and placed trust into.
It is a personal preference as to ?who had it worse? but I personally would have to go with Sasuke for the several reasons I have posted above.
I have to agree with Juuken above, sasuke definitely had it tougher. simply cuz he had to see them being killed for 24 hours. if nagato had put naruto in a similar genjutsu for the same duration, well maybe the fight would have turned out the same cuz naruto would have gone 9 tails on his ass
Well not exactly Sennin, you are more or less putting words into my mouth. This was my quote "Naruto could have done something else for all Sasuke knew." Now, this is directed to the two of you. What will Sasuke knowing Naruto would use that jutsu accomplish? Naruto could have easily done a number of other things rather than use Rasengan. You?re saying Sasuke used Chidori because Naruto would use Rasengan as if it is a fact. In my opinion, the only reason why Naruto used his Rasengan rather than anything else was simply because of how Sasuke looked health wise and he obviously did not want to kill him so of course he was going to use his weakest attack. Sasuke had been using Chidori several times and because of his unstable mind it isn?t a surprise he would use that jutsu once again. I?m not saying this as a fact either but I sure am thinking otherwise.
On what grounds can you even say that Sasuke wouldn?t be able to withstand Kakashi?s attack as a fact? You can you say that Sasuke?s Chidori would be low powered as a fact. Sasuke being a hair away from complete blindness is doing a hell of a lot better than what people are giving him credit for.
The speed/Sharingan combo was learned by a young Kakashi and of course when he taught Sasuke for the first time it was going to be the way he first learned how to. Only if they want a powerful result will they make a distance between themselves and the opponent to then turn Chidori into a high-speed stab of destructive power. In Shippuuden, these two do many other maneuvers with Chidori/Raikiri than just the far distance speed and pierce. Take a look below:
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Sasuke was standing on a tree branch and simply lunged his body with Chidori. Now where is this high speed/long distance needed to make this jutsu effective?
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Kakashi only used his Sharingan to make sure Kakuzu was in place as he was behind the tree before he plunged through it stabbing one of his hearts.
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Here Kakashi uses Raikiri to simply cut through Kakuzu?s threads.
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Kakashi uses his Raikiri to nullify Kakuzu?s Raiton: Gian.
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Kakashi uses Kuchiyose: Doton: Tsuiga no Jutsu to hold Zabuza in place and then lunges towards him with Raikiri.
As you can see from the above links Chidori/Raikiri are not being used like in pre-timeskip by needing a vast space in between to gain speed advantage because they use it however they want.
Listen that is just an expression I use and please do not take it to heart. It is just to make a point and that is to simply refrain from stating things as fact when they indeed are not. However you have committed time and time again the act of contradiction as you continue to state things in a factual manner. You have not been using logic/opinion/predictions per say but rather statements typed out as fact. You need to take your own advice and cease in fact typing unless it is Kishi confirmed. It definitely seems as though you don?t even realize the mistakes you are making. My advice, might you want to proofread before you post because most of what you are saying is in a factual manner and if you rather mean this as an opinion than please do form it in that way because you will be taken another way. Sasuke does not have any "idiotic moments" as you state. However due to his insanity/hatred that had been building since seven years of age his flaws were bound to happen as his self-confidence overruled the underestimation of his opponents. Despite his damaged psyche Sasuke is an extraordinary shinobi. Remember from the pre-timeskip to current timeline where Sasuke/Kakashi both use this Raiton jutsu have had many tunings/variations in which the methods are simply not exactly the same any longer. They both have surpassed the majority of back draws Chidori/Raikiri possess with the years of practice on each others parts.
In my opinion, it actually seems like his Chidori variations are not so different and are rather very similar.
Okay, that logic you?re using is uncalled for because let me inform you with something. Sasuke?s Sharingan is his respectively and of course he is going to use it but to say that without it he is useless, is like saying Kakashi without his Sharingan is useless as well. Guess what; if Sasuke never had that Doujutsu Kekkei Genkai to begin with don?t you think that Kishi would have made him train/focus on other things? Whatever a ninja respectively owns whether it is a weapon/Kekkei Genkai/fighting style is simply theirs and shouldn?t have that taken away to then say they?re nothing without it because that is how Kishi has depicted his ninja to be out of the manga. Naruto?s Kyuubi comparison to Sasuke?s Sharingan is poorly done. A better comparison would be Sage mode as that is Naruto?s respectively (even though it was a powerup as he learned it in a minimal amount of days compared to Jiraiya who died without having yet perfected it). Also your quote "it is able to withstand them in the cost of his life span" is unconfirmed whether or not it eats life but if you still say otherwise then do show me proof.
you say that the user doesnt need to be moving at that speed where the users eyes would enter the tunnel vision state.
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from what i gather speed is needed in order to make the jutsu effective in combat.
if not then why would kakashi teach sasuke to move that fast and why would minato forbid the jutsu?
why not just teach sasuke to use chidori and why doesnt minato say "dont move that fast"
i base my opinions on logic. and the logical explanation in this case is to look at what has been said and shown and the conclusion is that the jutsu is powerful but in order to be effective you need speed and at the speed needed you need the sharingan to see your oponents counter or you are going to end up dead.
i didnt say anything about distance. i just said speed.
and in all the links you posted it doesnt show sasuke or kakashi moving towards them. just them starting the attack and lunging at a great speed or suddenly showing up there using it.
your first link
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sasuke started up chidori it showed madaras face (well mask) then sasuke was already passing through him. if you ask me that was quite fast.
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one second kakashi wasnt there. the next he is with a raikiri gone straight through kakuzus heart.
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kakashi wasnt there then he was and he cut kakuzus.......strings?
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same again kakashi wasnt there at the start of kakuzu's attack then he was meeting kakuzus lightning attack with a double raikiri
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kakashi is seen speeding towards zabuza with a raikiri. this is he only link you showed with kakashi or sasuke actually running at their targets. and as you can see kakashi is moving fast. but haku was moving faster.
then again
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it could have been a teleportation jutsu. seeing as haku made a hand sign before disapearing, as shino said "teleportation is just high speed movement" we are able to see hakus movement lines next to zabuza. in that case it would seem like kakashi was steaming towards zabuza.
you said is was speaking things as fact. but the only fact is that my posts are just words.
the way i speak on the forum should be different to most readers. words are just words until they are spoken. if you speak them as if i am stating fact then it would seem that way.
if you find it rude, then you are reading it as if it was an insult.
if you are read it as a joke, then you are reading it as humour.
these are predictions and opinions so i would like you to try and read it as such. you should find it makes a difference. if not the sorry about the factual writing.
yh my final rant on sasuke was borken because i didnt go into much detail. and tbh i didnt want to. there are threads for such things.
oh and the fox cloak shortening narutos life span.
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for telling someone to proof read something to miss something like that is abit.....odd.
you should look through something before you make a mockery of yourself.
i think these large posts have to be shortened. its getting abit...daunting at first sight.
so lets continue this "argument" in smaller posts
this one is basically.
your links dont show their speed and you miss read my post about distance.
I’m quite sorry to say this but I practically disagree with your entire post. I can see I don’t need to point out that he didn’t kill his brother since a thousand years of death beat me to it but nonetheless I must ask why you assume Sasuke is trying to be badass? I see it totally different, from what I have been seeing it appears as if Sasuke is currently in psychological shock. After Madara told him of the supposed truth Sasuke couldn’t handle it. I believe if we take a sort look back at those chapters you can understand what I mean. I’ve seen a lot of people that aren’t able to acknowledge that he is not in his right of mind – and is currently speaking, acting and thinking while being in this unstable state.
These few pages should expand on what I said and in the process show how Sasuke slowly began to lose himself during his first conversation with Madara. He may have resisted it for a while but eventually this conversion alongside all the influences (Itachi and Orochimaru) molded Sasuke into what has become.
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On the page below he awakens from previously fainting.
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On this one it states that "The truth drives Sasuke mad!?"
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This last one it even went as far to state that "Sasuke loses it!"
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I believe this can clearly show all of the stress and trauma Sasuke was put through by hearing the “truth”. Due to Sasuke having a strong will he was able to keep up a front that he displayed to the world but deep inside he was confused and detached himself from reality. Madara’s truth was a traumatic event for Sasuke and after it he began to falsely believe that Konohagakure was entirely to blame for everything. He is currently confused, delusional and has impaired judgment due to everything that has occurred to him through the course of the series. Itachi who was his brother and someone he loved and looked up to murdered everyone that he held dear and then forced him to watch the killings for twenty-four hours. I don’t know about everyone else but just once is enough to put some in psychological shock and can easily awaken the desire for revenge. Sasuke dealt with losing everyone he loved countless times and after it felt the need to distance himself from everyone in village. He had been betrayed by his brother and Sasuke wasn’t fully able to socialize with anyone due to the traumatic event that he had to experience.
On the other hand Naruto may have been ostracized by the village but in the process of growing up he was able to gain a fraternal bond between himself and Sasuke. Naruto had Iruka and Sarutobi to rely on whereas Sasuke closed himself up during the rest of his childhood. Naruto started off with nothing but as he continued on he gained what he had desired; the respect from the villagers and people who he could consider his family. Sasuke was an entire different case and the two shouldn’t really be compared. Sasuke had to have his bonds severed by someone he thought he could trust and after that had trouble functioning the same unlike Naruto who in time was able to gain friends. After closing himself to world for so long Sasuke had finally started to accept Naruto and the rest of his team.
After he fully opened up Itachi had decided to make a second appearance since Sarutobi had died. Itachi intended to show the village he was alive and well and after Sasuke confronted him he broke his wrist and forced in to see the clan’s massacre all over again. He was forced to relive the entire ordeal that constantly plagued him during his childhood. Since Sasuke’s mind was once again broken Orochimaru took this as his opportunity to offer him power in a chance to win over his body in the long run. I see Sasuke’s decision to abandon the leaf in fault of Itachi and Orochimaru because if he was left untouched he could have easily continued on his life and simply may have mourned and moved on. Itachi forced his younger brother onto that path of revenge and since he was so young he grew up believing that was his only chance at salvation. I’m quite sure Itachi didn’t wish for Sasuke to spiral out of control as he currently has but it is obvious that everything he has sustained is the cause for his actions. After Naruto lost one person that he held dear he became bent on revenge and desired to slaughter Nagato even after extracting revenge on The Six Paths. He was only able to hold himself back because of Jiraiya and Nagato’s story. Sasuke lost everyone important to him so one could only imagine how Sasuke felt during his childhood and since he grew up like that it was something difficult to let go of. Everyone may see things differently but I honestly can’t hold Sasuke responsible for anything because his life has had influences which drove him and are ultimately the reason why he became unstable.
Just because you believe him to be an idiot isn’t going to convince me otherwise. I can bet you anything that if Naruto had grown up in Sasuke’s shoes then he would be the one seeking the village’s destruction. Naruto said himself that he could have easily been in Sasuke’s shoes and almost gave into it from just losing Jiraiya when he didn’t even witness his death. I think that if Naruto could understand that everyone can understand, how hard is it to grasp? Naruto couldn't fathom what Sasuke had went through and only after losing Jiraiya was he able to better understand. Naruto had a bad past but didn't know what it meant to have someone who you hold dear get killed, and in Sasuke's case it done by someone who he loved and placed trust into.
It is a personal preference as to “who had it worse” but I personally would have to go with Sasuke for the several reasons I have posted above.
yh sasuke had it bad and so did naruto but i just thing starting out with nothing, having your bonds severed by others without knowing why and having no one to blame is worse and can do terrible things to your mind just a milimeter worse than sasukes because sasuke had someone to blame.
although both where terrible.
also naruto having to live with someone really close to him dying and coming back to the leaf village to find it destroyed was also bad.
and sasuke found out that his brother was actually good. but his brother built him up to be a great hero wasnt really that bad compared to narutos pain of the village being destroyed.
i wasnt planning on making you think sasuke was an idiot
Hopefully we are going to something quite unexpected just like when Naruto told Nagato he won't fight him anymore neither will he hate him for killing Jiraiya and then at the end Nagato understood and he revived all those he killed in the Leaf. I was just stunned, hoping for a dramatic conclusion to this reunion of team 7. May be Sakura getting killed won't be badxd
I liked it when Karin said I'm done with you Sasuke that just shows you how smart she is. Kishi made the correct choice by not killing her Sakura should try to learn something from Karin. Kishi's biggest mistake was he didn't let Sasuke kill Sakura that would have been awesome. Sakura now is really the BIGGEST burden for Naruto.
I liked it when Karin said I'm done with you Sasuke that just shows you how smart she is. Kishi made the correct choice by not killing her Sakura should try to learn something from Karin. Kishi's biggest mistake was he didn't let Sasuke kill Sakura that would have been awesome. Sakura now is really the BIGGEST burden for Naruto.
Both are blown away by the explosion caused by both their techniques.
Naruto: “I understand it now, if we both fight seriously, we’ll both die.”
Naruto: “Because you’re my friend, that’s why I’ll bear your hatred with you and why I’ll die with you.
When she hears that, Sakura cries and says Naruto’s name
Sasuke: “I don’t intend to let you understand my pain. I’m not going to die, you’ll die alone”
Kakashi: “Aren’t you supposed to become Hokage? Let me handle Sasuke!”
Naruto: “I can’t become Hokage if I can’t even save a single friend! I’m going to fight Sasuke!!!”
in short, Naruto says Sasuke is his friend, Sasuke claims no-one understands him, Kakashi tries to persuade Naruto to let him do the dirty work, Sakura cries
I am getting really annoyed why does everyone keep talking about some poison which does not exist killing Naruto? I already told you that Kakashi never said that kunai was poisoned, he said Sakura would not be of help as any poisoned kunais she could make would not harm Sasuke!
I guess people inferred that the kunai Sakura used in trying to kill Sasuke during the prev chapter is poisoned. This was before Kakashi actually telling something about her poisoned kunai.
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Here's when Sakura was resolved into killing Sasuke, but "gayed out" later...
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Sasuke snatched the knife from Sakura...
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Naruto saved the damsel in distress. The scar likely caused by the kunai knife held by Sasuke grazed Naruto's cheek...
Anyway, it's not for sure that such kunai knife's poisoned, so I can't confirm it. But, it's a viable guess anyway.
OTOH, if ever it is really poisoned, maybe kishi didn't bother to point out that Naruto's grazed by the poisoned kunai since it might[?] prolly not take a toll on him, thanks to the kyuubi inside him.
I just think next chapter should be sasuke getting a beating, no talk, then when hes warn down they talk, then he goes mental, colapses and madara saves him xd
I'd like to see naruto go sage. then sasuke try to activate his sharingan and goes blind in the process. naruto knocks him out easy, they take him back to kohona for rehabilitation... but i think it's more likely that tobi interferes with the fight.
More like that is called elapsed time on Kishi?s part. We can?t say for sure that Sasuke was traveling at a high speed towards Madara. He leaped from a tree branch that looked pretty close to him and how much speed do you suppose he could have picked up from that small of a gap?
Kakashi was hiding behind the tree that Kakuzu stood nearby observing the brief fight between the two opposing sides. It was never like he wasn't present to then appearing there randomly the next second. Kakashi then in elapsed time obviously blasted through the tree and right through Kakuzu?s heart.
Not exactly, Kakashi was evading Hidan and after that fuuton jutsu in elapsed time he made his way to help Shikamaru/Chouji. Another possibility could have been that Hidan was fighting with a bunshin and the real Kakashi on his way or that Kakashi simply evaded both Hidan/jutsu altogether. Although, it is as if you are insinuating that Kakashi had used some sort of teleporting jutsu or something of that nature.
kakashi is seen speeding towards zabuza with a raikiri. this is he only link you showed with kakashi or sasuke actually running at their targets. and as you can see kakashi is moving fast. but haku was moving faster.
All my links where it showed them moving or not was to give a simple example but it never meant that they just appeared to their opponents or what have you. The reason why I took a short cut was because I thought my proof was good enough. Anyways it seemed as though you did not get what my links were about. They were to display Sasuke/Kakashi situations where the drawbacks and or same old Chidori routine was different. They were shown doing other things then simply building up speed for the jutsu. Now I'm not saying that they didn't use any speed at all but rather in Shippuuden, it did not seem as if they were using the extent of speed necessary for the original Chidori.
you said is was speaking things as fact. but the only fact is that my posts are just words.
the way i speak on the forum should be different to most readers. words are just words until they are spoken. if you speak them as if i am stating fact then it would seem that way.
if you find it rude, then you are reading it as if it was an insult.
if you are read it as a joke, then you are reading it as humour.
these are predictions and opinions so i would like you to try and read it as such. you should find it makes a difference. if not the sorry about the factual writing.
oh and the fox cloak shortening narutos life span.
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for telling someone to proof read something to miss something like that is abit.....odd.
you should look through something before you make a mockery of yourself.
Okay, where did you get the Kyuubi from? I was debating what you said about Naruto?s Sage Mode. Now take a look below at your own quote which proves that you somehow got mixed up:
i wouldnt say its like sage mode because naruto had to learn that not unlock a dormant power. naruto's is harder to work with and more of a burden. and works in the other way. rather than being able to avoid attacks it is able to withstand them in the cost of his life span.
You stated "you should look through something before you make a mockery of yourself." however it was you who did this very thing and again you should do as you preach because I do and you obviously do not. Now, if it was indeed about the Kyuubi than I took it another way because of how it was typed out and I do apologize.
I have shown the "speed" but it isn?t anything like lightning speed or anything of the sort as seen when Sasuke held the kunai to Sakura and how Kakashi was simply not fast enough. For your information I will only type a huge post if it is necessary and besides it is your own fault for the last one being so big as I had to get to your dialogue of a post. If this new post of mine turns out to be too big for you then again it was you who brought it on.
I don?t appreciate the insolent remark on Sakura?s behalf. She simply froze up because she couldn?t come to terms with killing the love of her life. I can?t understand why that is so hard to fathom. She isn?t weak or pathetic. She is in love and emotionally up front and personally dealing with the person she gave her heart to. Of course she could falter it is only human nature but I love how people like you pick at a task of "murdering the person she loves with her whole heart" by saying she is weak or as you immaturely put it "gayed out". If because she didn?t end up liking Naruto in the end, well tough. She had been hinting at this for the longest time. Or if it is because you hate Sasuke well then might I suggest you do not read the manga anymore because like it or not he will most likely be saved by Naruto. The second part of the manga or Shippuuden is about Naruto?s journey to get/change Sasuke back and so if Naruto kills him then Kishi?s major plot and Naruto?s supposed "nindo" will have all dramatically failed. Think about this, if Naruto did not kill Nagato who Naruto never cared/knew then how will he kill someone who he treats as if a blood brother? I?m almost certain that even if Sasuke killed Sakura then Naruto would still not give up as he truly understands Sasuke. However, the ironic part of it all is that haters do not understand.
yh Kuroi Honoo i was talking about the fox. maybe i shoul have made that abit clearer.
i wasnt disrespecting kakashi, it was more building him up. saying that in a short distance kakashi could move almost as fast as someone using a teleportation jutsu.
the shinobi can reach a great speed in a short distance and amount of time. rock lee is a prime example of that.
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well speed is needed as i posted the other day.
why would sasuke need to learn to move fast to use it and why would minato forbid the jutsu if he could just forbid the speed.
and kakashi was shown behind a tree but not really the one kakuzu was behind. we are shown that kakashi saw kakuzu's hand sign then went behind him quickly without anyone noticing. even hidan who was looking at kakuzu.
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we can see that the tree wasnt broken so kakashi either went round or from above.
and kakashi was quite far away from kakuzu
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and yeah i love ranting on sasuke
the filthy cross dresser
I don?t appreciate the insolent remark on Sakura?s behalf. She simply froze up because she couldn?t come to terms with killing the love of her life. I can?t understand why that is so hard to fathom. She isn?t weak or pathetic. She is in love and emotionally up front and personally dealing with the person she gave her heart to. Of course she could falter it is only human nature but I love how people like you pick at a task of "murdering the person she loves with her whole heart" by saying she is weak or as you immaturely put it "gayed out". If because she didn?t end up liking Naruto in the end, well tough. She had been hinting at this for the longest time. Or if it is because you hate Sasuke well then might I suggest you do not read the manga anymore because like it or not he will most likely be saved by Naruto. The second part of the manga or Shippuuden is about Naruto?s journey to get/change Sasuke back and so if Naruto kills him then Kishi?s major plot and Naruto?s supposed "nindo" will have all dramatically failed. Think about this, if Naruto did not kill Nagato who Naruto never cared/knew then how will he kill someone who he treats as if a blood brother? I?m almost certain that even if Sasuke killed Sakura then Naruto would still not give up as he truly understands Sasuke. However, the ironic part of it all is that haters do not understand.[/CENTER]
Look Sakura has been a burden to Naruto all these time. She tries to kill Sasuke by having her comrades in her plan but later plans on going alone. Sasuke almost blind was about to kill her twice if wasn't for Kakashi and Naruto. I understand Sasuke is the love of her life but all these time she said she has changed is just bull s**t. Even for a Sasuke fan like yourself should understand that Sakura why have people started to write comments like that. Its obvious she says I am going to kill you in order to save you from the dark. All of us thought Sakura's determination was strong but look what happened. Such weak determination and the fact that she always relies on others. Sakura is a medical ninja or in short a ninja doctor. But as a warrior ninja she is pathetic. Even if Sasuke is the love of her life she shouldn't go back on her words at least she should have tried but she just keeps on failing. She should try to learn something from Karin.
