[Suiton] Water Style Training with Drackos

[Kai NB]

Sweet, but little insignificant question. Wouldn't the Hidden Mist technique sorta count as the first weather manipulation jutsu? Lol, it doesn't matter though

Itachi performs the six hand seals and then begins to release his chakra. A cloud begins to form above him that is about 20 meters wide. Itachi then continues to expel his chakra in the form of the rain which cause drops of water to pour down. Closing his eyes in an attempt to purely sense, he then allows the water to fall, and then notices the presence of his sensei being hit by the water.

(Suiton: Ukojizai no Jutsu) - Water Style: Rain Tiger at Will Technique

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Long
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: A perception ninjutsu, allowing one to freely manipulate rain infused with the user's own chakra after waving the Bird → Rat → Ox → Monkey → Rat → Snake hand seals. The rain falls from rain clouds, formed with the users own chakra. During this technique, the falling raindrops are closely linked to the users senses. When the rain is obstructed by a chakra belonging to someone the existence of the target can be detected. The rain will keep on falling until the user uses the seal to cancel it.

This technique is useful given that it's primary purpose is sensing, and this allows for long range sensing. Effectively, the user can find the location of a person as it would be impossible to avoid the rain drops. This means a user can continuously track a target as well. An issue though is that the technique does not allow for clear and precise sensing, merely rough rudimentary ones. That being said, I'd assume that a downside would be that if a target has his chakra spread out in several areas, the user of the technique would not even be able to really sense the target. If I were to counter, I'd probably use the hidden mist technique, as the mist uses chakra to stay active and to affect it's thickness. This would spread my chakra around the same range of the rain, which since the rain would hit everywhere the mist is, the user of the technique would have trouble locating me, if at all.

 

[Drackos]

Sweet, but little insignificant question. Wouldn't the Hidden Mist technique sorta count as the first weather manipulation jutsu? Lol, it doesn't matter though

Itachi performs the six hand seals and then begins to release his chakra. A cloud begins to form above him that is about 20 meters wide. Itachi then continues to expel his chakra in the form of the rain which cause drops of water to pour down. Closing his eyes in an attempt to purely sense, he then allows the water to fall, and then notices the presence of his sensei being hit by the water.

(Suiton: Ukojizai no Jutsu) - Water Style: Rain Tiger at Will Technique

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Long
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: A perception ninjutsu, allowing one to freely manipulate rain infused with the user's own chakra after waving the Bird → Rat → Ox → Monkey → Rat → Snake hand seals. The rain falls from rain clouds, formed with the users own chakra. During this technique, the falling raindrops are closely linked to the users senses. When the rain is obstructed by a chakra belonging to someone the existence of the target can be detected. The rain will keep on falling until the user uses the seal to cancel it.

This technique is useful given that it's primary purpose is sensing, and this allows for long range sensing. Effectively, the user can find the location of a person as it would be impossible to avoid the rain drops. This means a user can continuously track a target as well. An issue though is that the technique does not allow for clear and precise sensing, merely rough rudimentary ones. That being said, I'd assume that a downside would be that if a target has his chakra spread out in several areas, the user of the technique would not even be able to really sense the target. If I were to counter, I'd probably use the hidden mist technique, as the mist uses chakra to stay active and to affect it's thickness. This would spread my chakra around the same range of the rain, which since the rain would hit everywhere the mist is, the user of the technique would have trouble locating me, if at all.

Hiding in mist wouldn't be an adequate counter to the sensory. The rain drops would simply fall through it. Additionally, your logic behind the chakra being spread out is flawed. In our RP that doesn't mean much. Simply each drop has the user's chakra in it and allows for it to sense whatever the drop hits.

Basically the best counter to this is to simply blow away the clouds with a large scale wind technique. That's probably the first and most straight forward. The second is to create a roof of sorts to obstruct the rain drops. Now most Rain Release users use this technique to prepare for their rain techniques. So depending on your opponent the urgency to stop this technique may vary. Most people never let this technique happen if they are fighting someone with Rain Release simply because Rain Release can be quite disgusting. But the sensory isn't a terrible thing. It can only sense what has form and what the drops strike. Now say the drop strikes an S-Rank fire technique. Logically the drop evaporates. Do you think you are able to sense the presence of the fire in that location? Think outside of the box on this one.

 

[Kai NB]

Hiding in mist wouldn't be an adequate counter to the sensory. The rain drops would simply fall through it. Additionally, your logic behind the chakra being spread out is flawed. In our RP that doesn't mean much. Simply each drop has the user's chakra in it and allows for it to sense whatever the drop hits.

Basically the best counter to this is to simply blow away the clouds with a large scale wind technique. That's probably the first and most straight forward. The second is to create a roof of sorts to obstruct the rain drops. Now most Rain Release users use this technique to prepare for their rain techniques. So depending on your opponent the urgency to stop this technique may vary. Most people never let this technique happen if they are fighting someone with Rain Release simply because Rain Release can be quite disgusting. But the sensory isn't a terrible thing. It can only sense what has form and what the drops strike. Now say the drop strikes an S-Rank fire technique. Logically the drop evaporates. Do you think you are able to sense the presence of the fire in that location? Think outside of the box on this one.

Oh, my mistake. My understanding was that the rain drops would hit the chakra and since the hidden mist technique's mist is purely chakra (as it says it's thickness depends on the user's chakra input) I thought the rain drops would recognize it.

Anyways, regarding the second question, I believe I would be able to notice if the the rain drops evaporated and this is not because I would sense the fire, but rather the lack of sensing. From what I understand, if it were to evaporate, it would not actually sense the chakra, but the fact that it does evaporate would tell me that something is there to stop my rain drops. I hope that makes sense

 

[Drackos]

Oh, my mistake. My understanding was that the rain drops would hit the chakra and since the hidden mist technique's mist is purely chakra (as it says it's thickness depends on the user's chakra input) I thought the rain drops would recognize it.

Anyways, regarding the second question, I believe I would be able to notice if the the rain drops evaporated and this is not because I would sense the fire, but rather the lack of sensing. From what I understand, if it were to evaporate, it would not actually sense the chakra, but the fact that it does evaporate would tell me that something is there to stop my rain drops. I hope that makes sense

Well while I understand that reasoning first off Hiding in Mist is D-Ranked while this is C-Ranked. So right there is a difference in strength. But you still should look at things in a logical and physical way and how they would behave in our world as well.

Exactly. That makes perfect sense and is exactly what I was looking for.

Now, do you have any questions regarding this technique before we move on?

 

[Kai NB]

Nope, no questions here

 

[Drackos]

Nope, no questions here

Alright, excellent. The next technique requires quite a bit of leg work to perform successfully and to tell you the truth I've never actually used it myself. Now, simply you weave hand seals and spread your palms out. Now this traps them in a dense prison of water leaving them unable to move. However, it requires you to maintain contact with it. Although you can use a water clone to perform the technique. Now, try it out and tell me what you think. Be detailed on this one.

(Suiton: Suirou No Jutsu) - Water Style: Water Prison

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: This technique is used to trap a victim inside a virtually inescapable sphere of water by waving the Snake → Ram → Horse → Hare → Ram → Horse → Hare → Hands spread in front palms out. The only downside to this technique is that the user must keep at least one arm inside the sphere at all times in order for the victim to remain imprisoned. This technique requires a sufficient amount of water, which can be provided by expelling it from one's mouth. Once trapped the target is unable to move while within it due to the heaviness of the water. Because of the density of the water it can be used, to a limited extent, for defensive purposes if performed on oneself. Water clones can be used in preparation for the technique, which block an opponent's attack and trap the attacker in the prison using the clone's own water.

 

[Kai NB]

Itachi performs the seven hand seals and spreads his palms out in front of a tree branch and then begins to release his chakra. An orb of water begins to form around the tree branch and encases it. The water sphere then wraps around one of Itachi's palms. He pulls out one hand and the sphere continues to stay, but then when Itachi pulls his other hand out of the water, the orb dissipates and the tree branch is set free.

(Suiton: Suirou No Jutsu) - Water Style: Water Prison

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: This technique is used to trap a victim inside a virtually inescapable sphere of water by waving the Snake → Ram → Horse → Hare → Ram → Horse → Hare → Hands spread in front palms out. The only downside to this technique is that the user must keep at least one arm inside the sphere at all times in order for the victim to remain imprisoned. This technique requires a sufficient amount of water, which can be provided by expelling it from one's mouth. Once trapped the target is unable to move while within it due to the heaviness of the water. Because of the density of the water it can be used, to a limited extent, for defensive purposes if performed on oneself. Water clones can be used in preparation for the technique, which block an opponent's attack and trap the attacker in the prison using the clone's own water.

This technique is useful given that it's quite difficult to escape if the target is captured. An issue though is that the technique needs to be made right next to the target and the 7 hand seals would most likely give the opponent time to react at such a distance. Unless water is a specialty, it doesn't seem like this is that effective, unless the opponent is someone unable to move previously, perhaps from being caught in a genjutsu. If I were to counter, I'd probably try to lock the user in a genjutsu so that his chakra control would be disrupted and not be able to use the technique. If I was willing to (though it's not worth it) I could at least damage the opponent's arm by using an electric attack, though this would be fatal to me and do minimal damage to his arm, so that shouldn't be attempted.

One question about this technique. Can I switch who is holding the sphere? Like if there is a clone present, and I'm holding the sphere, can I say that my clone holds the sphere and then I let go and do something else? (Don't know why I'm asking, cause I don't know how that would help in a fight, but I feel like it would be useful to know)

 

[Drackos]

Itachi performs the seven hand seals and spreads his palms out in front of a tree branch and then begins to release his chakra. An orb of water begins to form around the tree branch and encases it. The water sphere then wraps around one of Itachi's palms. He pulls out one hand and the sphere continues to stay, but then when Itachi pulls his other hand out of the water, the orb dissipates and the tree branch is set free.

(Suiton: Suirou No Jutsu) - Water Style: Water Prison

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: This technique is used to trap a victim inside a virtually inescapable sphere of water by waving the Snake → Ram → Horse → Hare → Ram → Horse → Hare → Hands spread in front palms out. The only downside to this technique is that the user must keep at least one arm inside the sphere at all times in order for the victim to remain imprisoned. This technique requires a sufficient amount of water, which can be provided by expelling it from one's mouth. Once trapped the target is unable to move while within it due to the heaviness of the water. Because of the density of the water it can be used, to a limited extent, for defensive purposes if performed on oneself. Water clones can be used in preparation for the technique, which block an opponent's attack and trap the attacker in the prison using the clone's own water.

This technique is useful given that it's quite difficult to escape if the target is captured. An issue though is that the technique needs to be made right next to the target and the 7 hand seals would most likely give the opponent time to react at such a distance. Unless water is a specialty, it doesn't seem like this is that effective, unless the opponent is someone unable to move previously, perhaps from being caught in a genjutsu. If I were to counter, I'd probably try to lock the user in a genjutsu so that his chakra control would be disrupted and not be able to use the technique. If I was willing to (though it's not worth it) I could at least damage the opponent's arm by using an electric attack, though this would be fatal to me and do minimal damage to his arm, so that shouldn't be attempted.

One question about this technique. Can I switch who is holding the sphere? Like if there is a clone present, and I'm holding the sphere, can I say that my clone holds the sphere and then I let go and do something else? (Don't know why I'm asking, cause I don't know how that would help in a fight, but I feel like it would be useful to know)

Keep in mind while you're in the sphere you can still mold chakra for essentially any technique. Just not weave seals as you cannot move. So even something like S-Rank earth armor, while over kill, is a valid counter that could be used to attack your opponent simultaneously. So, there are a lot of viable ways to escape this.

And I'd have to say no. The clone would be focusing on the sphere and maintaining it. So switching essentially would end the concentration. Make sense?

 

[Kai NB]

Keep in mind while you're in the sphere you can still mold chakra for essentially any technique. Just not weave seals as you cannot move. So even something like S-Rank earth armor, while over kill, is a valid counter that could be used to attack your opponent simultaneously. So, there are a lot of viable ways to escape this.

And I'd have to say no. The clone would be focusing on the sphere and maintaining it. So switching essentially would end the concentration. Make sense?

Got it

 

[Drackos]

Got it

Great. Moving forward. This technique is the Water Replacement. Essentially we can transform parts of our body or our entire body into water with a low degree of structure to it in order to avoid physical damage. Now, I want you to be in depth with this technique. There is a lot to it and most of it you don't see with a technique with a short and simple description such as this. There are a lot of dangers to using this technique. Also, I want you to tell me the battle rules to using replacements.

(Suiton: Mizu Kawarimi) - Water Style: Water Replacement

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user can freely transform his body into liquid. This form allows him to avoid taking direct damage from many physical attacks but can not attack while in this form.

 

[Kai NB]

Itachi grabs a rock and throws it straight up into the air. He then places himself strategically underneath the rock as it falls so that it would hit on the head. However, Itachi molds his chakra and activates his technique. The rock then falls down and hits Itachi's head and falls straight through. Itachi also realized he had to stay in his still position while utilizing the technique.

(Suiton: Mizu Kawarimi) - Water Style: Water Replacement

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user can freely transform his body into liquid. This form allows him to avoid taking direct damage from many physical attacks but can not attack while in this form.

This technique is useful given that it's quick to prevent physical damage from hitting you and is also quick. An issue though is that the technique does not allow the user to attack in this form. Additionally, even though physical attacks may not work, energy based attacks would be extremely dangerous. If lightning or fire based attacks were to hit the user, it would actually be more of an issue. If I were to counter, I'd attack the enemy with some sort of energy based attack, such as lightning to shock/paralyze them, or fire to burn/boil them.

Regarding replacements, do you mean substitutions or other variations? If so, I understand that those may only be used once per battle, in accordance to Rei's Battle Arena Rules.

 

[Drackos]

Itachi grabs a rock and throws it straight up into the air. He then places himself strategically underneath the rock as it falls so that it would hit on the head. However, Itachi molds his chakra and activates his technique. The rock then falls down and hits Itachi's head and falls straight through. Itachi also realized he had to stay in his still position while utilizing the technique.

(Suiton: Mizu Kawarimi) - Water Style: Water Replacement

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user can freely transform his body into liquid. This form allows him to avoid taking direct damage from many physical attacks but can not attack while in this form.

This technique is useful given that it's quick to prevent physical damage from hitting you and is also quick. An issue though is that the technique does not allow the user to attack in this form. Additionally, even though physical attacks may not work, energy based attacks would be extremely dangerous. If lightning or fire based attacks were to hit the user, it would actually be more of an issue. If I were to counter, I'd attack the enemy with some sort of energy based attack, such as lightning to shock/paralyze them, or fire to burn/boil them.

Regarding replacements, do you mean substitutions or other variations? If so, I understand that those may only be used once per battle, in accordance to Rei's Battle Arena Rules.

Yes you can only use it once per battle. And indeed your counters are correct. Water replacements are extremely vulnerable to being electrocuted and being evaporated with B-Rank or higher fire techniques (remember elemental weaknesses and strengths apply). Now what do you think would happen if you use this technique and try to reform with an obstruction in your body? Lets say, a rock spike poking through where your stomach used to be when you are in your water state. What do you think the result is?

 

[Kai NB]

Yes you can only use it once per battle. And indeed your counters are correct. Water replacements are extremely vulnerable to being electrocuted and being evaporated with B-Rank or higher fire techniques (remember elemental weaknesses and strengths apply). Now what do you think would happen if you use this technique and try to reform with an obstruction in your body? Lets say, a rock spike poking through where your stomach used to be when you are in your water state. What do you think the result is?

I would believe the result would be the rock being stuck within my body, as if it stabbed me normally, just without the initial pierce.
If I can clarify it better, it would actually affect my internal organs and go through them. So if I was stabbed in the water while using this technique, and then I released the techniqe, the rock would've gone through my heart.

Now if someone attacked me somewhere else, like the arm with, and if I was badass enough, I can take the pain and thereby stop him from leaving my sight or movement. Like he's stuck at close range then. But then there's the issue where I'm stuck to, and he can do close range attacks just as well.

So to put it simply, it's best not to reform of there's something tangible passing through the user's body

 

[Drackos]

I would believe the result would be the rock being stuck within my body, as if it stabbed me normally, just without the initial pierce.
If I can clarify it better, it would actually affect my internal organs and go through them. So if I was stabbed in the water while using this technique, and then I released the techniqe, the rock would've gone through my heart.

Now if someone attacked me somewhere else, like the arm with, and if I was badass enough, I can take the pain and thereby stop him from leaving my sight or movement. Like he's stuck at close range then. But then there's the issue where I'm stuck to, and he can do close range attacks just as well.

So to put it simply, it's best not to reform of there's something tangible passing through the user's body

Yeah. You'll die if something like that happens depending on where the obstruction occurs. So whenever you use this technique or one similar to it be careful. Also, waiting on reforming is equally as bad as then they can just inflict damage on you in another way. Basically while you're in the state of water you can't actually defend yourself without a clone or an ally. So be very wary of using this technique.

Questions or concerns?

 

[Kai NB]

None here

 

[Drackos]

None here

Alright, I'll let you take the lead on this one! Do the normal and be detailed!

(Suiton: Suishū Gorugon) - Water Release: Powerful Blasting Rain Trench

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: The user after performing Dragon → Tiger will summon a large amount of water that will then be used to strike at the opponent in several versatile ways. It has been known to transform it into a dragon with a gaping mouth to attack. The water used will be stationary till it is sent offensively toward the opponent.

 

[Kai NB]

Alright, I'll let you take the lead on this one! Do the normal and be detailed!

(Suiton: Suishū Gorugon) - Water Release: Powerful Blasting Rain Trench

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: The user after performing Dragon → Tiger will summon a large amount of water that will then be used to strike at the opponent in several versatile ways. It has been known to transform it into a dragon with a gaping mouth to attack. The water used will be stationary till it is sent offensively toward the opponent.

Quick question! If it is not stated, does that mean a water source is needed?

 

[Drackos]

Quick question! If it is not stated, does that mean a water source is needed?

If it isn't said then assume no.

 

[Kai NB]

Itachi moves himself towards a tree and performs the two handseals. Then, water begins to suddenly appear in front of him. The water continues to form until a substantial amount of water is present. He then focuses his chakra and the water begins to spring upward. The water makes a steady stream and begins to take on a crude dragon head shape. The mouth of the dragon opens up wide and lands straight above the tree and chomps on it from directly above. The force of the impact causes the tree to fall on itself and get crushed by the pressure.

(Suiton: Suishū Gorugon) - Water Release: Powerful Blasting Rain Trench

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: The user after performing Dragon → Tiger will summon a large amount of water that will then be used to strike at the opponent in several versatile ways. It has been known to transform it into a dragon with a gaping mouth to attack. The water used will be stationary till it is sent offensively toward the opponent.

This technique is useful given that it's it is versatile in it's attacking, not simply one style completely. There is the problem though of the water having to stay stationary until the attack is sent, because it can give time for the opponent to counter. If I were to counter, I'd strike the enemy while the water is still stationary and also use a C-Rank Earth Technique to defend from the incoming attack, like a wall.

I have a question. I'm confused on what the description means by several versatile ways. It is very vague to me. Can you please explain or give me examples of such?

 

[Drackos]

Itachi moves himself towards a tree and performs the two handseals. Then, water begins to suddenly appear in front of him. The water continues to form until a substantial amount of water is present. He then focuses his chakra and the water begins to spring upward. The water makes a steady stream and begins to take on a crude dragon head shape. The mouth of the dragon opens up wide and lands straight above the tree and chomps on it from directly above. The force of the impact causes the tree to fall on itself and get crushed by the pressure.

(Suiton: Suishū Gorugon) - Water Release: Powerful Blasting Rain Trench

Spoiler

Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: The user after performing Dragon → Tiger will summon a large amount of water that will then be used to strike at the opponent in several versatile ways. It has been known to transform it into a dragon with a gaping mouth to attack. The water used will be stationary till it is sent offensively toward the opponent.

This technique is useful given that it's it is versatile in it's attacking, not simply one style completely. There is the problem though of the water having to stay stationary until the attack is sent, because it can give time for the opponent to counter. If I were to counter, I'd strike the enemy while the water is still stationary and also use a C-Rank Earth Technique to defend from the incoming attack, like a wall.

I have a question. I'm confused on what the description means by several versatile ways. It is very vague to me. Can you please explain or give me examples of such?

Well, essentially to answer your question by the versatile ways you can shape it however you want. They use the example of the dragon with a gaping mouth. But in this case it can be done in a number of ways. Bear in mind the water will always form around you in short-range. There's an S-Rank version of this technique as well. It is practically the same thing, just stronger. Think of it as a better version of Water Release Technique.

Questions?