[Debate] Would the abolishment of religion be good or bad?

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Religion should be there for whoever wants it to be there. People should decide for themselves. So I think abolishing religion is wrong. However I think religion shouldn't play a role in politics. Theocracies should not exist.
 

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That I completely agree on. But then factor in how widespread religion is compared to the other mediums. You can't just magically create something like religion over night which has a near global following in terms of populations for each religion. While removing religion doesn't necessarily solve the problem, it takes away the largest medium negative propaganda ever had. Look at the countries which envelop themselves entirely in religious constitution. The middle east and many countries around it are all very primitive and backwards compared to countries like England, America, Canada. All countries with high Agnostic/Atheistic populations along with people who claim to be Christian but barely practice. There's a direct correlation here. I'm not trying to force this on you. I actually like discussing this.
Agreed you can't create something like religion over night. But a replacement can be created very quickly especially with today's media technology. Getting people to believe in something is very easy. While I dislike hitler very much he did say something that is important to remember, he believed that by creating a small lie and repeating it over and over the population will believe it to be true. This is exactly how the Nazi party came to power. While they did lots of illegal activity the German people did vote for them.

Hitler's brain washing was achieved in a few short years in the early 20th century when the internet didn't exist. If someone wants to create a new medium now and has a huge amount of resources that religious people had in the past, then wouldn't even take 20 years for the medium to be established. Abolishing religion would not only spread hatred but also would be a temporary solution.

How do you define backwardness? The communist party for example was heavily atheistic and had zero tolerance for religion. Yet they are responsible for the highest number of human deaths in recorded history. Stalin and lenin alone were responsible for the deaths of over 30 million people, mostly peasants. Mao took this further and killed over 50 million western chinese who were mostly religious. In total next to 100 million people were killed by fundamentally atheist ruled countries. If the slaughter of millions of one's own people isn't backward I don't know what is.

If I was to use the example above as an example of how countries ruled by atheists are then atheism and the denial of religion are the worst things to ever happen to humanity. By your view atheism should be abolished as well. You see my point? It is not the idea but the people that are the problem.
 

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So am I supposed to be flexible and respect everyone's beliefs but then you blatantly say with the utmost certainty that he exists? I respect your beliefs, but you can't just say he exists or he gave me life when nothing points towards that at all. These are the kinds of posts that derail religion threads. I was never asking about God at all. I wasn't even asking how to abolish religion. I asked would abolishing it be bad or good. Please don't turn this into something it was never meant to be.
Lol bro. I didnt even qoute you xD

I was just asking.

How does the heart beat so fast every second? What its source of power? Where did this power come from? Who gave it to us?

Who taught the humans magic? How does magic work? Who is the souce of this magic?

1: its the soul. Thats our energy but who gave us the soul? It cant be a witch or wizard since none of them have shown anything like that. So it must be something far more powerful then magic but who is the soruce of magic? Satan and who created satan? God.

So its like this: god > satan > demons > witches

So is you think about it god does exist. Because supernatural things does

But i respect your opinion. And im not forceing anything xD
 
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Lol bro. I didnt even qoute you xD

I was just asking.

How does the heart beat so fast every second? What its source of power? Where did this power come from? Who gave it to us?

Who taught the humans magic? How does magic work? Who is the souce of this magic?

1: its the soul. Thats our energy but who gave us the soul? It cant be a witch or wizard since none of them have shown anything like that. So it must be something far more powerful then magic but who is the soruce of magic? Satan and who created satan? God.

So its like this: god > satan > demons > witches

So is you think about it god does exist. Because supernatural things does
Biology explains everything you just asked about the heart. You can learn this in High school....

And no, there's no such proof of supernatural occurrences. You're just jumping to conclusions without any proof.
 

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No proof? Lol millions of people experince such things.
Show me a vid of a wizard practicing magic, show me a vid of a demon rising from hell and absorbing the mythical dragons core.
No proof? ok then, people can say whatever the hell they can say bud, if they cant validate it, then why should we believe it.
 
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Didn't read, don't havethe time, but denying ppl's freedom of beliefs is wrong. :| religion should be completely separate from politics, but telling ppl what to think is wrong imo.

EDIT: As long as said religion doesn't infringe on the rights of others :|
 
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Show me a vid of a wizard practicing magic, show me a vid of a demon rising from hell and absorbing the mythical dragons core.
No proof? ok then, people can say whatever the hell they can say bud, if they cant validate it, then why should we believe it.
The first two. You can find them on the internet.

But the third one? Mythical dragon core? Lol dragons arent real bruh

So i deny the millions and start to believe you just because you said so? :|

Not gonna happen

Also these people have proofs.
 

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The first two. You can find them on the internet.

But the third one? Mythical dragon core? Lol dragons arent real bruh

So i deny the millions and start to believe you just because you said so? :|

Not gonna happen

Also these people have proofs.
Dude...*sigh* nvm

Anyway a HUGE majority of those people were either diagnosed with mental illnesses or were just plain batshit crazy. Also i'd like to ask of you to post one of those "proofs" that you stated they had.
 

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Dude...*sigh* nvm

Anyway a HUGE majority of those people were either diagnosed with mental illnesses or were just plain batshit crazy. Also i'd like to ask of you to post one of those "proofs" that you stated they had.
Lol do you have proof that they were ill? I'd like to know if i have this illness too

Also can a whole village have this illness too? Because they were shitting them selves whenever they heard about the *forest* (not gonna say itdls name) Maybe we should send some doctors there

Im at my phone so i cant so help yourself and look
 

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Because abolishing anything worked before. You can't force people to stop believing in something. If you think that way, then you're immoral and why would anyone want to be like you?
 
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How would you plan to abolish religion? But yes, countries who are heavily religious, have a tendency to be in shambles. The Middle East is a prime example of that. Moderation is the key IMO.
 

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How would you plan to abolish religion? But yes, countries who are heavily religious, have a tendency to be in shambles. The Middle East is a prime example of that. Moderation is the key IMO.
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Because abolishing anything worked before. You can't force people to stop believing in something. If you think that way, then you're immoral and why would anyone want to be like you?
Or you could stop being an assuming bigot and read exactly what I asked. I didn't say I'd force people to stop believing. And I'm in no way immoral. Your claim is a joke. All I asked, WOULD IT BE GOOD OR BAD TO ABOLISH RELIGION? Can you read? Now try to answer without being ignorant.

How would you plan to abolish religion? But yes, countries who are heavily religious, have a tendency to be in shambles. The Middle East is a prime example of that. Moderation is the key IMO.
Didn't ask how. Just wondering if it would be good or bad. I just see it as so backwards now. It not only stagnates science, but even society as a whole in certain parts. The Middle East like you said, is a prime example of it.

And that's why Scientists never give up on finding the answers while religious people have the answer as "GOD" for every question where they give up.
Thank you. This is exactly what I meant. I'd rather look at facts that people can actually observe than just say God for everything I can't explain.
 
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