Difference between Sasuke and Madara's Rinnegan Awakening.

[Conspirator.]

If that were true then Sasuke wouldnt have kept his rinnegan once Hago took his chakra back but he did. It would be the same thing that happened to Kakashi his spirit chakra from Obito was given back and Kakashi no longer had Kamui.

Except that's just it genius-Hagaromo NEVER took the chakra he gave Naruto/Sasuke back. That's the critical point that you're misunderstanding, and that is leading to all the fallacies that you are sprouting. Losing the seals and their abilities =/= losing their 50% of non jin Hagaromo's chakra that they received. How else could Naruto use the six paths sage mode? How else could Sasuke use the Rinnegan effectively? In fact, leaving all of the above behind, let's look at this simply. You read the Naruto/Sasuke fight, didn't you? So you know how strong they became. Do you honestly think, that Naruto and Sasuke, WITHOUT Rikudo chakra, could pull off what they ended up doing? It makes zero sense. Sasuke's enhanced PS chidori, Naruto's new enhanced avatar would all be impossible without Rikudo's chakra fuelling not only the power of their techniques, but their chakra reserves.

Naruto's yang ability was also Ct then right? Because there is no way he was given Hago's yang chakra and then he kept everything else of Hago's yang except that ability.

The yang seal was one of the seals needed to perform the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei. Nothing more, nothing else. There's ZERO evidence on your part, that the seals literally contained 50% of Hagaromo's chakra, and that Naruto/Sasuke lost all of it after after the seals were taken back.

 

[RedRobin]

Lol. Epic Fail. "Ashura's predecessor" refers to Hashirama being the previous holder of Ashura's chakra, meaning it is past tense, meaning he doesn't have it now, because Naruto has it now. The whole word predecessor refers to the PAST not the PRESENT.

I am done debating but this makes no sense Hashirama would be Ashura's successor not his predecessor.

 

[Narutohokage324]

I am done debating but this makes no sense Hashirama would be Ashura's successor not his predecessor.

The transmigrate chakra passes down every-time the previous transmigrate DIES and/or lost their resolve to live. Transmigrates are PICKED. You can definitely see it in VoTE Naruto vs Sasuke when they clashed U_U

 

[RedRobin]

Except that's just it genius-Hagaromo NEVER took the chakra he gave Naruto/Sasuke back. That's the critical point that you're misunderstanding, and that is leading to all the fallacies that you are sprouting. Losing the seals and their abilities =/= losing their 50% of non jin Hagaromo's chakra that they received. How else could Naruto use the six paths sage mode? How else could Sasuke use the Rinnegan effectively? In fact, leaving all of the above behind, let's look at this simply. You read the Naruto/Sasuke fight, didn't you? So you know how strong they became. Do you honestly think, that Naruto and Sasuke, WITHOUT Rikudo chakra, could pull off what they ended up doing? It makes zero sense. Sasuke's enhanced PS chidori, Naruto's new enhanced avatar would all be impossible without Rikudo's chakra fuelling not only the power of their techniques, but their chakra reserves.



The yang seal was one of the seals needed to perform the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei. Nothing more, nothing else. There's ZERO evidence on your part, that the seals literally contained 50% of Hagaromo's chakra, and that Naruto/Sasuke lost all of it after after the seals were taken back.

Naruto and Sasuke fought continuously throughout the war without showing fatigue at least Sasuke did, its just an inconsistency liek them getting 3-4 different power ups throughout the span of 1-2 days.

Where is the chakra staying if they no longer have the seals? Its spirit chakra like what obito gave to Kakashi, it cant just stay in the body forever without running out.

 

[KidGamer65]

I am done debating but this makes no sense Hashirama would be Ashura's successor not his predecessor.

No, it does make sense, you are just misinterpreting it, something you seem to be doing with the rest of the manga Lol.

Predecessor refers to the one to last hold his chakra. Hashirama held Ashura's chakra BEFORE Naruto, who is the current holder, thus he can be called Ashura's predecessor.

Where is the chakra staying if they no longer have the seals? Its spirit chakra like what obito gave to Kakashi, it cant just stay in the body forever without running out.

Except Kakashi only lost that chakra because Obito left. If it runs out, more is kneaded, that's how chakra works.

 

[RedRobin]

The transmigrate chakra passes down every-time the previous transmigrate DIES and/or lost their resolve to live. Transmigrates are PICKED. You can definitely see it in VoTE Naruto vs Sasuke when they clashed U_U

Hashirama wouldnt be the predecessor of Ashura he would be the successor.

 

[RedRobin]

No, it does make sense, you are just misinterpreting it, something you seem to be doing with the rest of the manga Lol.

Predecessor refers to the one to last hold his chakra. Hashirama held Ashura's chakra BEFORE Naruto, who is the current holder, thus he can be called Ashura's predecessor.

No it would be implying Hashirama came before Ashura when that is wrong. Hashirama is Naruto's Predecessor, Naruto is Hashirama's successor.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Hashirama wouldnt be the predecessor of Ashura he would be the successor.

Hashirama never unlocked Ashura's true potential, only Naruto did:

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Ashura never showcased or was indicated to have Mokuton powers, that alone is Hashirama's from the manga. So no, Naruto is the one and true successor. Not to mention he ended the Brothers Fued too U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

No it would be implying Hashirama came before Ashura when that is wrong. Hashirama is Naruto's Predecessor, Naruto is Hashirama's successor.

Yeah, in a different context. Not this context. Hagoromo is referring to who held Ashura's chakra when, not who came before Ashura. So once again, you are wrong. Lol. Why do you like twisting things around to make yourself seem right? Jesus Christ.

 

[RedRobin]

Yeah, in a different context. Not this context. Hagoromo is referring to who held Ashura's chakra when, not who came before Ashura. So once again, you are wrong. Lol. Why do you like twisting things around to make yourself seem right? Jesus Christ.

In no context would Hashirama be Ashura's predecessor. Its a mistranslation most likely.

 

[KidGamer65]

In no context would Hashirama be Ashura's predecessor. Its a mistranslation most likely.

In the context of "Who held his chakra first" then yes, he'd be Ashura's predecessor, Ashura was in him before Naruto.

 

[Conspirator.]

Naruto and Sasuke fought continuously throughout the war without showing fatigue at least Sasuke did, its just an inconsistency liek them getting 3-4 different power ups throughout the span of 1-2 days.

Where is the chakra staying if they no longer have the seals? Its spirit chakra like what obito gave to Kakashi, it cant just stay in the body forever without running out.

With regards to the bold, it's in their body of course. How else do you explain Naruto using the Six Paths Sage mode so efficiently? So Sasuke/Naruto using so many techniques on a gargantuan scale? It's blatantly obvious that Rikudo Chakra is still in their bodies, and powering up their techniques.

As for the underlined, it's not an inconsistency. Naruto and Sasuke received 50% of Hagaromo's chakra while on the verge of death, thus their chakra supply was refilled, and then some more. 50% of even ghost Hagaromo's chakra is a gigantic amount, and thus they were both fully fresh when the fight against Juubi Jin Madara started.

In no context would Hashirama be Ashura's predecessor. Its a mistranslation most likely.

He's obviously referring to WHO had Ashura's chakra in which time frame. Hashirama held Ashura's chakra, hence he was the predecessor of the position of being "Ashura's reincarnation". Just like George Bush is the predecessor of being the US president. Same present, different wrapping paper.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

The difference is that Sasuke's rinnegan is a cheap piece of shit powerup from Hagoromo.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Wait, Since when did hagoromo's chakra = Juubi's chakra? I guess since sasuke has the sage's senjutsu that means he can use tsb too right? Hamura & hagoromo inherited TSB from their mother since TSB is listed as a kekkei mora. Heck when obito stolen madara's Juubi jin chakra he was able to get the shukaku's & gyuki's chakra something that required needing their chakra in order to grab them meaning that obito has some of the bijuus chakra in him therefore hagoromo's chakra + Juubi's chakra equals senjutsu of the six paths.

 

[RedRobin]

In the context of "Who held his chakra first" then yes, he'd be Ashura's predecessor, Ashura was in him before Naruto.

I see, that sounded weird.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Only thing I agreed with OP was that Sasuke's Rinnegan is as strong as a regular Rinnegan. Yep, and a little bit more powerful also.

 

[3MESSIAH]

my take on it is that sasuke`s rinnegan isnt a true rinnegan but a sharingan-rinnegan hybrid....meaning the highest form of doujutsu one can achieve with indra chakra alone