Difference between Sasuke and Madara's Rinnegan Awakening.

[RedRobin]

Nope. Hagoromo already stated why he appeared, and Hashirama had nothing to do with it. They were looking for another way, so he came out and gave them another way. Why would Hashirama be relevant if Asura's chakra is already inside Madara's body?

Where did Kaguya say "The chakra is in the seals"? Kaguya only looked their seals, and said "Hagoromo must have given you those techniques" Chakra coming from the seal (as it is a jutsu)=/=All their chakra being in the seal. Good luck trying to find evidence to prove your point though...it doesn't exist.

Those are stated to be because of Naruto's new mode and his Six Path's Sage Chakra, not because of the Bijuu. You still haven't proved that his mode is because of his Bijuu nor have you proved that the Gudo Dama come from the Bijuu.

You are beyond dense. LOL How can you deny Hashirama having to do with it when he appeared right when Hashirama touched the legs. The aura literally only appeared once Hashirama touched the legs. I cant even believe you think you can somehow argue your way out of this one. When you are wrong, you are wrong, no need to make yourself look stupid.

Because something is not specifically stated as something doesnt mean you cant use your brain to understand what each panel is actually showing.

Why would I need to prove that when you could just use your brain to understand that Obito got the Gudo dama after he become the Juubi Jin, Naruto literally did the same thing but simply had smaller amounts of Bijuu chakra come together.

 

[KidGamer65]

You are beyond dense. LOL How can you deny Hashirama having to do with it when he appeared right when Hashirama touched the legs. The aura literally only appeared once Hashirama touched the legs. I cant even believe you think you can somehow argue your way out of this one. When you are wrong, you are wrong, no need to make yourself look stupid.

So you can't tell me how he was relevant huh? Crying isn't a counter argument, that only makes you look stupid, not me. They were questioning to themselves, how they are going to solve the problem, and right after that, Hagoromo appeared. No reason to believe Hashirama touching Madara's body had shit to do with anything. You can cry "Ashura's Chakra!" all you want, it still makes no sense since it's ALREADY IN MADARA'S BODY.

Because something is not specifically stated as something doesnt mean you cant use your brain to understand what each panel is actually showing.

That'd be true, if there was anything that proved your point, but you are merely inventing shit so you won't be wrong, and it's getting pretty damn pathetic. But then again, if you were using your brain, you'd know this.

Why would I need to prove that when you could just use your brain to understand that Obito got the Gudo dama after he become the Juubi Jin, Naruto literally did the same thing but simply had smaller amounts of Bijuu chakra come together.

Juubi=Senjutsu. Getting the Juubi grants you Six Path's Senjutsu, and the Gudo Dama are formed from Six Path's Sage Chakra. Obito took Madara's Six Path's Sage Chakra and made the Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu.

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had the Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu. Ghost Hagoromo has no Bijuu, yet has his Gudo Dama. Toneri has Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu. What was that about Bijuu giving you the Gudo Dama?

Oh wait....it's nothing but fanfiction.


Let's stop being stupid, it's getting pretty sad.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Indra's chakra = Yin Chakra
Hagoromo's chakra = Yin + Yang (Ashura + Indra)
Madara = Yin + Yang (Uchiha/Indra + Senju/Ashura)
Sasuke = Yin + Yin + Yang (Uchiha/Indra + Ashura/Indra) -

His Rinnegan is the natural evolution of the Sharingan because he awakened it through the direct source instead of just Ashura. Madara's is the "immitation" or "less pure/synthetic" version because it's diluted Indra chakra and diluted Ashura chakra

 

[neosmith500]

So you can't tell me how he was relevant huh? Crying isn't a counter argument, that only makes you look stupid, not me. They were questioning to themselves, how they are going to solve the problem, and right after that, Hagoromo appeared. No reason to believe Hashirama touching Madara's body had shit to do with anything. You can cry "Ashura's Chakra!" all you want, it still makes no sense since it's ALREADY IN MADARA'S BODY.


That'd be true, if there was anything that proved your point, but you are merely inventing shit so you won't be wrong, and it's getting pretty damn pathetic. But then again, if you were using your brain, you'd know this.



Juubi=Senjutsu. Getting the Juubi grants you Six Path's Senjutsu, and the Gudo Dama are formed from Six Path's Sage Chakra. Obito took Madara's Six Path's Sage Chakra and made the Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu.

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had the Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu. Ghost Hagoromo has no Bijuu, yet has his Gudo Dama. Toneri has Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu. What was that about Bijuu giving you the Gudo Dama?

Oh wait....it's nothing but fanfiction.


Let's stop being stupid, it's getting pretty sad.

He has a way of ignoring the obvious.

 

[KidGamer65]

He has a way of ignoring the obvious.

Yup. It's ridiculous. Lol

 

[Conspirator.]

This thread is wrong. Rikudo chakra is the catalyst that awakens the Rinnegan. Madara got it by mixing a small amount of Ashura's chakra with Indra's. Sasuke literally got half of non-Jin Hagaromo's chakra, specifically the yin part. The massive amount of Rikudo chakra Sasuke received, relative to Madara,enabled him to awaken the Rinnegan much faster than Madara. Hashirama's chakra had nothing to do with it.

 

[RedRobin]

So you can't tell me how he was relevant huh? Crying isn't a counter argument, that only makes you look stupid, not me. They were questioning to themselves, how they are going to solve the problem, and right after that, Hagoromo appeared. No reason to believe Hashirama touching Madara's body had shit to do with anything. You can cry "Ashura's Chakra!" all you want, it still makes no sense since it's ALREADY IN MADARA'S BODY.


That'd be true, if there was anything that proved your point, but you are merely inventing shit so you won't be wrong, and it's getting pretty damn pathetic. But then again, if you were using your brain, you'd know this.



Juubi=Senjutsu. Getting the Juubi grants you Six Path's Senjutsu, and the Gudo Dama are formed from Six Path's Sage Chakra. Obito took Madara's Six Path's Sage Chakra and made the Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu.

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had the Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu. Ghost Hagoromo has no Bijuu, yet has his Gudo Dama. Toneri has Gudo Dama, yet has no Bijuu. What was that about Bijuu giving you the Gudo Dama?

Oh wait....it's nothing but fanfiction.


Let's stop being stupid, it's getting pretty sad.

Please KG tell me did Hago appear before Hashirama touched the legs? I want a yes or a no.

I literally proved to you the chakra is in one place in that seal in their hands. I dont need to bring anymore evidence. Can Naruto restore anyone with his hand without the seal? Nope, only ever used the hand with the seal. Could Naruto and Sasuke use their other hands to CT Kaguya? No they used the hand with the seal because that is where all the chakra is.

Naruto become a psudeo juubi jin, he had the chakra from all 9 bijuu = Juubi. Juubi didnt even need the full Kuruma or Hachibi to come out. Did Kaguya(Juubi) not give birth to both Hamura and Hago passing this senjustu?

 

[RedRobin]

This thread is wrong. Rikudo chakra is the catalyst that awakens the Rinnegan. Madara got it by mixing a small amount of Ashura's chakra with Indra's. Sasuke literally got half of non-Jin Hagaromo's chakra, specifically the yin part. The massive amount of Rikudo chakra Sasuke received, relative to Madara,enabled him to awaken the Rinnegan much faster than Madara. Hashirama's chakra had nothing to do with it.

If that were true then Sasuke wouldnt have kept his rinnegan once Hago took his chakra back but he did. It would be the same thing that happened to Kakashi his spirit chakra from Obito was given back and Kakashi no longer had Kamui.

 

[KidGamer65]

Please KG tell me did Hago appear before Hashirama touched the legs? I want a yes or a no.

Please PawsX, can you explain why it'd be relevant? Can you prove that it has anything to do with Asura's chakra inside Hashirama? (even though it's not there)

Let me answer those for you: "No, and No".

I literally proved to you the chakra is in one place in that seal in their hands. I dont need to bring anymore evidence.

Except you didn't. You showed me chakra around their hand, which is the seal, you didn't show me that all of their Rikudo Chakra is in said seal, I suggest you learn the difference. Chakra around the seal is no big whoop considering it's a SEALING JUTSU. Showing me chakra=/=Showing me the half of Hagoromo's chakra they each received.

Can Naruto restore anyone with his hand without the seal?

Irrelevant. Naruto losing the ability to restore anyone with his seal=/=Naruto losing his Rikudo Chakra.

Nope, only ever used the hand with the seal. Could Naruto and Sasuke use their other hands to CT Kaguya? No they used the hand with the seal because that is where all the chakra is.

Once again, you are spouting BS with absolutely no evidence backing it up. Where is the proof that the chakra was in the seals? How in the hell does them using the seals to seal Kaguya, mean that all their chakra is in the seal? Oh wait, it doesn't. Hagoromo got his seals back, and still needed help summoning them back to this world, which he stated was because of his lack of chakra.

But according to you, he got his chakra back with the seals, why did he have to get help then, huh? Lol.

Naruto become a psudeo juubi jin, he had the chakra from all 9 bijuu = Juubi.

Wrong. All 9 Bijuu invidiually=/=Juubi. All 9 Bijuu merged together=Juubi. Did you see Naruto with ANY of the Juubi's abilities? No. He's not a pseudo Juubi Jin. Pseudo Jins have the abilities of the Bijuu's chakra they possess. (Kinkaku and Ginkaku) Not to mention this is irrelevant. Naruto being a pseudo Juubi Jin means nothing to me. You are trying to equate Gudo Dama with obtaining the Juubi's power, and the manga clearly shows that line of thinking is wrong.

Juubi didnt even need the full Kuruma or Hachibi to come out.

Irrelevant for the reasons stated above.

Did Kaguya(Juubi) not give birth to both Hamura and Hago passing this senjustu?

Yes, which disproves the fanfic of him needing the Bijuu to have Gudo Dama. End of story. Unless you want to show me where Hagoromo or Hamura, or Toneri, or Obito after losing the Bijuu, had Bijuu, there is no debate on this topic. Once again, none of your points are supported by any kind of evidence.

 

[neosmith500]

The winner of this debate is obvious , pawsx lack any kind evidence to back up his claims yet still argues , its pathetic:-( , even if u try to hold his hands an lead him to logic.Lol

 

[RedRobin]

Please PawsX, can you explain why it'd be relevant? Can you prove that it has anything to do with Asura's chakra inside Hashirama? (even though it's not there)

Let me answer those for you: "No, and No".

1. Hashirama touches the legs
2. Hago comes out and actually calls Hashirama Ashura's predecessor, no past tense
3. States the chakras finally mixed meaning they hadnt mixed before Hashirama touching him

Except you didn't. You showed me chakra around their hand, which is the seal, you didn't show me that all of their Rikudo Chakra is in said seal, I suggest you learn the difference. Chakra around the seal is no big whoop considering it's a SEALING JUTSU. Showing me chakra=/=Showing me the half of Hagoromo's chakra they each received.

Irrelevant. Naruto losing the ability to restore anyone with his seal=/=Naruto losing his Rikudo Chakra.

I agree because his Rikudo chakra has nothing to do with the Yang seal since he gained the mode himself. Why did he lose the ability if he has Hago's chakra anyway? You say he got RSM because of Hago's Yang and Sasuke's Rinnegan because of Hago's Yin so why does Naruto lose that ability.

Once again, you are spouting BS with absolutely no evidence backing it up. Where is the proof that the chakra was in the seals? How in the hell does them using the seals to seal Kaguya, mean that all their chakra is in the seal? Oh wait, it doesn't. Hagoromo got his seals back, and still needed help summoning them back to this world, which he stated was because of his lack of chakra.

But according to you, he got his chakra back with the seals, why did he have to get help then, huh? Lol.

Maybe because its very hard to summon something from Kaguya's dimension? This is a baseless point how do you know he can do this on his own with all his chakra? Maybe you need 20 kage level ninja to pull something off like that. Once he gets his chakra back he was able to summon all the previous kage, that right there shows you he got his chakra back.

Wrong. All 9 Bijuu invidiually=/=Juubi. All 9 Bijuu merged together=Juubi. Did you see Naruto with ANY of the Juubi's abilities? No. He's not a pseudo Juubi Jin. Pseudo Jins have the abilities of the Bijuu's chakra they possess. (Kinkaku and Ginkaku) Not to mention this is irrelevant. Naruto being a pseudo Juubi Jin means nothing to me. You are trying to equate Gudo Dama with obtaining the Juubi's power, and the manga clearly shows that line of thinking is wrong.

All 9 Bijuu have come together in one body, he has every piece of the Juubi essentially why I call him a Pseudo Juubi Jin.

Yes, which disproves the fanfic of him needing the Bijuu to have Gudo Dama. End of story. Unless you want to show me where Hagoromo or Hamura, or Toneri, or Obito after losing the Bijuu, had Bijuu, there is no debate on this topic. Once again, none of your points are supported by any kind of evidence.

Having all the Bijuu is another way to obtain senjustu aside from getting it passed on.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Seals = Chibaku Tensei
Hagoromo Chakra = Power ups

A five year old would understand this if you showed them the manga and the descriptions of the jutsu.

 

[RedRobin]

Seals = Chibaku Tensei
Hagoromo Chakra = Power ups

A five year old would understand this if you showed them the manga and the descriptions of the jutsu.

Which is essentially why there is chakra in damn seals.

 

[Conspirator.]

Seals = Chibaku Tensei
Hagoromo Chakra = Power ups

A five year old would understand this if you showed them the manga and the descriptions of the jutsu.

Pretty much this.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Which is essentially why there is chakra in damn seals.

You are forgetting the most important aspect of the power up. They weren't just activated with his chakra alone, they were blossomed and/or "activated" due to the transmigration chakra of Ashura/Indra

The Chibaku Tensei seals were alone only for sealing Kaguya, yes they provided with their own chakra, but as you can see after sealing Kaguya Naruto still performed his RSM abilities while Sasuke kept his Rinnegan too.

 

[RedRobin]

You are forgetting the most important aspect of the power up. They weren't just activated with his chakra alone, they were blossomed and/or "activated" due to the transmigration chakra of Ashura/Indra

The Chibaku Tensei seals were alone only for sealing Kaguya, yes they provided with their own chakra, but as you can see after sealing Kaguya Naruto still performed his RSM abilities while Sasuke kept his Rinnegan too.

Because they awakened the power ups on their own, how hard is that to understand. Hago gave them the seals, literally the only chakra we know he gave them and he takes it away. Naruto's yang ability also gets take away because Hago actually took his chakra back.

 

[RedRobin]

Pretty much this.

Naruto's yang ability was also Ct then right? Because there is no way he was given Hago's yang chakra and then he kept everything else of Hago's yang except that ability.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Because they awakened the power ups on their own, how hard is that to understand. Hago gave them the seals, literally the only chakra we know he gave them and he takes it away. Naruto's yang ability also gets take away because Hago actually took his chakra back.

No they did not.

Sage of Six Path Senjutsu
and One obtained the Rinnegan aka Sharringan.

The biggest reveal to this is Sasuke, having Indra chakra and mixing it with Ashura chakra = Rinnegan, purple spiral

Not the red tomoe'd Rinnegan, that was activated due to Hagoromo's chakra + Sasuke being an Indra Transmigrant

Naruto + Sasuke never showcased the abilities of their past lives, only after meeting the Sage, did both of them acquire such power.

Even the Databook confirms - Naruto's RSM is Sage's senjutsu only, and it is a gift.
Sasuke's Rinnegan confirms the same thing.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Hashirama touches the legs
2. Hago comes out and actually calls Hashirama Ashura's predecessor, no past tense
3. States the chakras finally mixed meaning they hadnt mixed before Hashirama touching him

Lol. Epic Fail. "Ashura's predecessor" refers to Hashirama being the previous holder of Ashura's chakra, meaning it is past tense, meaning he doesn't have it now, because Naruto has it now. The whole word predecessor refers to the PAST not the PRESENT.

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Completely unrelated to Hashirama's body or his chakra. Not to mention touching Madara's body=/=Transferring his chakra over to said body. Since when did touching someone automatically transfer chakra to them? Lol.

Stop grasping at straws.

I agree because his Rikudo chakra has nothing to do with the Yang seal since he gained the mode himself.

Sasuke disagrees. So does the Databook. They both state that their abilities are GIFTS (do you know what a gift is?) from Hagoromo.

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.
From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of
Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

← Top caption says that the caster has an
unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six
Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).
→ Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb!
Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him
perform this risky stunt!"
← Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

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You're grasping at straws at this point.

Why did he lose the ability if he has Hago's chakra anyway?

It's an ability of the seal, not an ability of Hagoromo's chakra or Six Path's Sage Mode.

You say he got RSM because of Hago's Yang and Sasuke's Rinnegan because of Hago's Yin so why does Naruto lose that ability.

For the reasons stated above. Hagoromo's chakra=/=Hagoromo's seals. They are NOT one and the same. Naruto lost the sealing jutsu because Hagoromo took it back, not because he took back his chakra.

Maybe because its very hard to summon something from Kaguya's dimension?

Lol.

This is a baseless point how do you know he can do this on his own with all his chakra? Maybe you need 20 kage level ninja to pull something off like that. Once he gets his chakra back he was able to summon all the previous kage, that right there shows you he got his chakra back.

Hagoromo states that what he wants to do next requires a lot of chakra, and he doesn't have it since he gave it away. That means had he not given it away, he'd be able to do it, himself. And no, he wasn't referring to summoning the Kage back from the Pure Land,

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THAT is what he needed help with, due to his lack of sufficient chakra.

If he expected to get his chakra back after the sealing was initiated, then why would he enlist anyone's help? The sole reason he was unable to do it himself was because he lacked the chakra, as he stated himself.

When are you going to stop grasping at straws? Anyone who can read the manga knows that they kept Hagoromo's chakra. You'd have to be delusional to think Naruto can use SIX PATH'S Sage Mode without SIX PATH'S power.

All 9 Bijuu have come together in one body, he has every piece of the Juubi essentially why I call him a Pseudo Juubi Jin.

Lol, too bad he's not. Literally nothing except your opinion fuels this belief. If Naruto was a pseudo Juubi Jin, he'd have Juubi abilities, yet he has none.

Having all the Bijuu is another way to obtain senjustu aside from getting it passed on.

Except that's false. Having the Juubi, or getting it from Hagoromo are the only ways to attain it. Juubi=/=9 Bijuu individually, so lets stop mentioning that point.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Except that's false. Having the Juubi, or getting it from Hagoromo are the only ways to attain it. Juubi=/=9 Bijuu individually, so lets stop mentioning that point.

Did he forget Hagoromo split the Juubi into 9 different parts? You would need Hagoromo's seals or chakra (or whatever he used to split them) to bring them back together again, theoretically. So yes, you are totally correct. +rep if I could. Giving out my dislikes man xDDD.