Difference between Sasuke and Madara's Rinnegan Awakening.

[Djordje]

Then why the tomoe? The sosp can be divided into having two abilities...
1.) Eye power (Yin/Rinnegan/Doujutsu)
And 2.) Body Power (Yang/Sage Mode/ Senjutsu)

If Sasuke has the power of only one Rinnegan, that would be inferring that he has only 1/4th of the Sages power, which would be in direct conflict with the manga which has clearly stated that he has HALF of the power of the sosp

dont know about that maybe just different design

 

[Djordje]

dont listen to butthurt clowns who say he didnt awaken it. yes he did awaken it due to getting hagos yin chakra. manga has established hagos chakra is the reqirement in awakening the rinegan, madara got that by mixing indra and ashuras chakra. on the other hand sasuke got half of that chakra from the man himself hence it sped up the process massively making hes left Ems eye change to rinnegan. hagoromo didnt give him the riinegan physically, what he gave him was hes chakra which is what allowed sasuke awaken that rinnegan. even madara acknowledge sasuke did

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hes rinnegan

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and yes you are right, it does have the power of two rinnegans as sasuke used CT which is the full power of deva alongside having hes own special technique in amenotejikara.

exactly Sasuke did awaken rinnegan but only because power he gained from Hagoromo not thanks to hashi DNA

 

[Dragon Master]

Madara awakened his Rinnegan with Asura's and Indra's chakra (Asura + Indra = Hagomoro).
Sasuke awakened his Rinnegan with Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[RedRobin]

exactly Sasuke did awaken rinnegan but only because power he gained from Hagoromo not thanks to hashi DNA

Its so clear in your face. Madara only awakened once he was about to die, same happened with Sasuke who went through the same process.

Hago gave them chakra but then he took it back and they still had their abilities, which only means they got them by themselves.

 

[Djordje]

Its so clear in your face. Madara only awakened once he was about to die, same happened with Sasuke who went through the same process.

moron Madara awaken rinnegan without asspull directly coming from Hagoromo thats why you are idiot

 

[RedRobin]

moron Madara awaken rinnegan without asspull directly coming from Hagoromo thats why you are idiot

Or so you would like to believe.

 

[Djordje]

Or so you would like to believe.

thats whats showed in manga

 

[RedRobin]

thats whats showed in manga

Get power ups/Hago's chakra - At the same time
Hago take his chakra back
Power ups stay

Manga shows us they got them on their own

 

[Djordje]

Get power ups/Hago's chakra - At the same time
Hago take his chakra back
Power ups stay

Manga shows us they got them on their own

whatever helps you sleep at night bro
still I am sticking to what Manga and databook said

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto got his new form from having a tiny bit of all the tailed beasts.

Sasuke got his rinnegan from Indra and Ashura's chakra mixing.

Hago temporarily gave them his chakra in the seals which he later took back and they still had their abilities.

What was the point in Obito grabbing Ichibi and Hachibi chakras from Madara?

What was the point of Hashirama giving Sasuke his chakra only for Sasuke to fail in ever using it?

Are we still going around spreading this fanfiction? Lol.

 

[V h o]

Um no. He wouldnt have gotten to that point until he had a tiny bit of each. The juubi couldnt awaken until he had gotten a tiny bit of Kuruma and Hachibi.

What does this even mean? Did he not actively talk with Kuruma once they become friends when they fought. This proves nothing.

I don't know why I'm arguing manga facts with you. Lol

 

[RedRobin]

Are we still going around spreading this fanfiction? Lol.

Fanfiction because its not your view. I strictly remember you stating Hashirama doesnt have Ashura chakra when

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proved you wrong, then you stopped replying.

 

[RedRobin]

I don't know why I'm arguing manga facts with you. Lol

Alright. Bunch of other threads for you to read.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fanfiction because its not your view. I strictly remember you stating Hashirama doesnt have Ashura chakra when

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proved you wrong, then you stopped replying.

No, fanfiction because it directly contradicts manga. My "View" is irrelevant, just like your "view", which happens to be what your argument is based on.

Could've sworn I replied to your post. Lol, if I didn't, I forgot. Doesn't change the fact that everything you are saying is fanfic. Madara only retains said chakra because they merged together inside of him to make Hagoromo's chakra, which he kept. No reason for him not to keep the components. It's already a fact that Asura and Indra's chakra moves on after the death of a transmigrant. No reason why Hashirama would keep Ashura's Chakra.

There's also the fact that you have no evidence that proves the following:

-Hagoromo taking his chakra back.

You seem to think that the chakra is in the seals, when that was never implied or stated or even shown. Even though said chakra is what let's Naruto use his Six Path's Sage Mode, which he had at VoTE.

-Naruto getting Six Path's Sage Mode because of the 9 Bijuu inside him.

Databook and Manga say nothing about this, at all. Databook states that Six Path's Sage Mode is a gift from Hagoromo, meaning he got that via Hagoromo's chakra.

Manga, Naruto, Sasuke and Databook all attribute their power ups to Hagoromo's chakra, while you have no evidence for the contrary.

 

[Narutohokage324]

It's always my pleasure to help the stupid.

He took back what? The seals. You're not one of the morons who think the seal contains the Six Paths, are you? Don't get your head mixed here. Sasuke's full capacity was EMS. Naruto's full capacity was Jinchuuriki of Kurama. Hagoromo gave the former a stronger Doujutsu, and gave the latter the cloak of Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

Correction.
Naruto's full capacity was Jinchuriki of Kurama + Sage Mode = KCM/SM

Don't forget BM or BM/SM

 

[RedRobin]

No, fanfiction because it directly contradicts manga. My "View" is irrelevant, just like your "view", which happens to be what your argument is based on.

Could've sworn I replied to your post. Lol, if I didn't, I forgot. Doesn't change the fact that everything you are saying is fanfic. Madara only retains said chakra because they merged together inside of him to make Hagoromo's chakra, which he kept. No reason for him not to keep the components. It's already a fact that Asura and Indra's chakra moves on after the death of a transmigrant. No reason why Hashirama would keep Ashura's Chakra.

There's also the fact that you have no evidence that proves the following:

-Hagoromo taking his chakra back.

You seem to think that the chakra is in the seals, when that was never implied or stated or even shown. Even though said chakra is what let's Naruto use his Six Path's Sage Mode, which he had at VoTE.

-Naruto getting Six Path's Sage Mode because of the 9 Bijuu inside him.

Databook and Manga say nothing about this, at all. Databook states that Six Path's Sage Mode is a gift from Hagoromo, meaning he got that via Hagoromo's chakra.

Manga, Naruto, Sasuke and Databook all attribute their power ups to Hagoromo's chakra, while you have no evidence for the contrary.

Its very clear Hashirama still has some connection to Ashura's chakra, Hago only appeared after

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I seem to think the chakra is in the seals? Nope

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. All that aura around the seals mean absolutely I guess. And you already know Hago does take his seals back.

Naruto becomes a Pseudo Juubi Jin once he gets a tiny bit of chakra from the Bijuus as seen with his TSB.

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even before Hago gives the seals.

 

[Narutohokage324]

No, fanfiction because it directly contradicts manga. My "View" is irrelevant, just like your "view", which happens to be what your argument is based on.

Could've sworn I replied to your post. Lol, if I didn't, I forgot. Doesn't change the fact that everything you are saying is fanfic. Madara only retains said chakra because they merged together inside of him to make Hagoromo's chakra, which he kept. No reason for him not to keep the components. It's already a fact that Asura and Indra's chakra moves on after the death of a transmigrant. No reason why Hashirama would keep Ashura's Chakra.

There's also the fact that you have no evidence that proves the following:

-Hagoromo taking his chakra back.

You seem to think that the chakra is in the seals, when that was never implied or stated or even shown. Even though said chakra is what let's Naruto use his Six Path's Sage Mode, which he had at VoTE.

-Naruto getting Six Path's Sage Mode because of the 9 Bijuu inside him.

Databook and Manga say nothing about this, at all. Databook states that Six Path's Sage Mode is a gift from Hagoromo, meaning he got that via Hagoromo's chakra.

Manga, Naruto, Sasuke and Databook all attribute their power ups to Hagoromo's chakra, while you have no evidence for the contrary.

I do believe Naruto met the Sage because he had all 9 tailed beast chakra within him, but I hope you mean RSM is a product of Rikudou Chakra by itself. It might form in that appearance thanks to the Kyuubi's chakra since it's similar to a cloak, but there is no hard evidence to Naruto using the tailed beast to form it, nor do the data book state otherwise. Naruto was only able to bring out their powers once obtaining the Rikudou Chakra, which makes sense because Hagoromo was the Jinchuriki of the Juubi, which in turn was split into nine different beings.

I just wanted to clarify with the readers of this thread:

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Not stating you were wrong or anything, unless you did mention that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Its very clear Hashirama still has some connection to Ashura's chakra, Hago only appeared after

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Nope. Hagoromo already stated why he appeared, and Hashirama had nothing to do with it. They were looking for another way, so he came out and gave them another way. Why would Hashirama be relevant if Asura's chakra is already inside Madara's body?

I seem to think the chakra is in the seals? Nope

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. All that aura around the seals mean absolutely I guess. And you already know Hago does take his seals back.

Where did Kaguya say "The chakra is in the seals"? Kaguya only looked their seals, and said "Hagoromo must have given you those techniques" Chakra coming from the seal (as it is a jutsu)=/=All their chakra being in the seal. Good luck trying to find evidence to prove your point though...it doesn't exist.

Naruto becomes a Pseudo Juubi Jin once he gets a tiny bit of chakra from the Bijuus as seen with his TSB.

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even before Hago gives the seals.

Those are stated to be because of Naruto's new mode and his Six Path's Sage Chakra, not because of the Bijuu. You still haven't proved that his mode is because of his Bijuu nor have you proved that the Gudo Dama come from the Bijuu.

 

[KidGamer65]

I do believe Naruto met the Sage because he had all 9 tailed beast chakra within him, but I hope you mean RSM is a product of Rikudou Chakra by itself. It might form in that appearance thanks to the Kyuubi's chakra since it's similar to a cloak, but there is no hard evidence to Naruto using the tailed beast to form it, nor do the data book state otherwise. Naruto was only able to bring out their powers once obtaining the Rikudou Chakra, which makes sense because Hagoromo was the Jinchuriki of the Juubi, which in turn was split into nine different beings.

I just wanted to clarify with the readers of this thread:

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Not stating you were wrong or anything, unless you did mention that.

Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying.

 

[neosmith500]

Due to not seein exactly wat yin seal gave sasuke compared to naruto's jesus powers it seems sasuke's solo rinnegan is due to hago's chakra bein more focused on his dominant side where he had the seal.

It explains why his other eye is still sharingan only an why naruto only used his dominant arm for healing.

If he had both seals with hago's full chakra on both sides then he would most likely awaken two since half gave him one.