Misconception in the Madara vs Hashirama fight at Valley's End.

[VongolaX]

Almost everyone hyped Hashirama as his battle against Madara as a one-sided stomp for some reason.

Which is delusional...

What people mostly missed out on was that EMS Madara fought Sm Hashirama with wood golem/Human, Wood dragon, and the kyuubi too.

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He fought the all of those off panelled until the kyuubi was no longer available:

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Both were out of chakra and near death, yet Madara was at a disadvantage off panel.

What's your response Logical Hashirama fans.
(That's excluding retards like demonic senju)

 

[Kagustuchi]

Edo Madara tied with Edo Hashirama in cannon. So for all intents and purposes, EMS Madara is equal to a Hashirama with Shinsuusenju restricted.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Remove the Kyubi and ShinsuSenju rofl stomps.

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That's also the main reason why Hashi got all that hype at the end of this battle. It was EMS and Bjuu vs SM only. Yet Hashirama won high diff but if the battle would start with Madara not having the Kyubi well then he better prepares his anus.

 

[BlacLord™]

Edo Madara tied with Edo Hashirama in cannon. So for all intents and purposes, EMS Madara is equal to a Hashirama with Shinsuusenju restricted.

Edo Madara > EMS Madara

Even he databook confirms what was said in the manga; that neither Hashirama nor Tobirama could release their full power in their Edo state either.

OT: Hashirama >> EMS Madara

After all, if Hashi can beat him despite a PS covered Kyuubi, then Madara alone wouldn't pose as much of a problem.

 

[VongolaX]

Edo Madara tied with Edo Hashirama in cannon. So for all intents and purposes, EMS Madara is equal to a Hashirama with Shinsuusenju restricted.

That's not even remotely true considering that he never used a meteor and he absorbed all his mokuton ninjustus.

Also read this:

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He needed help to do battle with Edo Madara, Edo Madara was said by Kabuto to be passed his prime.

Edo Hashirama isn't even close to both his and Madara's prime, so that's just something that's been made up by fans.

 

[HENI]

Madara was the clear winner Lol

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

That's not even remotely true considering that he never used a meteor and he absorbed all his mokuton ninjustus.

Also read this:

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He needed help to do battle with Edo Madara, Edo Madara was said by Kabuto to be passed his prime.

Edo Hashirama isn't even close to both his and Madara's prime, so that's just something that's been made up by fans.

To settle this once and for all.
Using meteors would solo Madara as well, this technique is just too dangerous to use, since he can damage himself.
Using Mokuton against a better Mokuton user is stupid AF. Hashiramas Wood Dragon was about the sice of 100% Kurama, Madaras Wood Dragon was about as big as 50% Kurama. Dude be realistic.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Edo Madara > EMS Madara

Even he databook confirms what was said in the manga; that neither Hashirama nor Tobirama could release their full power in their Edo state either.

OT: Hashirama >> EMS Madara

After all, if Hashi can beat him despite a PS covered Kyuubi, then Madara alone wouldn't pose as much of a problem.

Hashirama implies the same about Madara [

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[Hazo]

Hashirama won since he knows Madaras weakness

 

[VongolaX]

To settle this once and for all.
Using meteors would solo Madara as well, this technique is just too dangerous to use, since he can damage himself.
Using Mokuton against a better Mokuton user is stupid AF. Hashiramas Wood Dragon was about the sice of 100% Kurama, Madaras Wood Dragon was about as big as 50% Kurama. Dude be realistic.

This post is not realistic :|

1) Edo Madara does get killed by meteorites but alive sm Hashirama will

2) Madara was absorbing all of Madara's techniques besides wood dragon that negates it

3) a Legged Susanoo easily destroys wood dragon

During their last fight, wood dragon was getting destroyed by the kyuubi.

Only SS was said by the databook to be on par with a bijuu.

I'm not going to repeat myself, read the thread and the scans.

 

[VongolaX]

Hashirama won since he knows Madaras weakness

That's also very true, but Hashirama couldn't kill him because of his limited knowledge about Uchiha kinjustus.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

2) Madara was absorbing all of Madara's techniques besides wood dragon that negates it

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Ok :|

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

Madara knew he couldn't beat HASHIRAMA that's why he planned for the future, plus Madara went all out from the beginning while Hashirama didn't go all out until he knew there was no convincing Madara to stay in the village which was halfway through the fight

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

This post is not realistic :|

1) Edo Madara does get killed by meteorites but alive sm Hashirama will

2) Madara was absorbing all of Madara's techniques besides wood dragon that negates it

3) a Legged Susanoo easily destroys wood dragon

During their last fight, wood dragon was getting destroyed by the kyuubi.

Only SS was said by the databook to be on par with a bijuu.

I'm not going to repeat myself, read the thread and the scans.

This is all sad fan speculation we already seen Madara get steamed rolled by Hashirama in their time and mano y mano as edo's, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Madara couldn't even beat Hashirama when he had his DNA and the rinnegan. And Hashirama was going easy, not even using shinsusenju.

 

[VongolaX]

This is all sad fan speculation we already seen Madara get steamed rolled by Hashirama in their time and mano y mano as edo's, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?

Alright, that's cute you have an opinion.

Now actually read the scans before assuming or you can just leave.

 

[VongolaX]

Madara couldn't even beat Hashirama when he had his DNA and the rinnegan. And Hashirama was going easy, not even using shinsusenju.

At Bold: Read the OP

I didn't ask for opinions

 

[Limbo]

Madara couldn't even beat Hashirama when he had his DNA and the rinnegan. And Hashirama was going easy, not even using shinsusenju.

Lmao, Madara held back, he didn't use Rinnegan nor did he use any moukton, both of them were restricted.

EMS Madara = Base Hashirama
EMS Madara < SM Hashirama
Edo Madara (If not restricted)>SM Hashirama
Rinnegan Madara >>>>> Any version of Hashirama

OT: I agree, people say ''Hashirama stomped Madara hurrhurrhurr'' even though we all saw that Hashirama won extreme diff

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yes yes, madara was plot held

 

[VongolaX]

Ok :|

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