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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Oh that weird cloud I thought he looked like fire. Anyway he wanted byakugan so he can see the earth clearly and make tornado with rotation.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Hinata, yes. Anyone else no.
"Neji is a prodigy never seen in the Hyguuga since over 100 years."
Plot is the story your point?
If the story says Hyuuga are shit, the Hyuuga are shit, no amount of fanfic is about to change this.

Even if Hinata gains Hamura's chakra the Hyuuga are still shit considering that the chakra doesn't even belong to the Hyuuga.
It'd be like me saying Uzimaki are powerful because they have, Nine Tail's chakra, sealing, and the death god.
That there tells you how fodder they are, Hashi and Madz are busting villages a 100 years ago, but the Hyuuga just got Neji.Lol

Neji was a prodigy in that he wa sable to blossom much more quickly than anyone else. That doesn't make him the strongest Hyuga in history, as both Hiashi and Hinata are arguably equal to him in skill.

Story has never said Hyuga are shit, and has in fact constantly said the exact opposite.

By that logic, Uchiha's w/sharingan are shit too because their powers and chakra come from the Juubi. But suppose I allow this for the sake of argument, that the Sharingan is the Uchiha's own power, I can not even tell you how much people I have seen claim that the Rennigan is the Uchia's power, or how they use Juubi Jin Madara and Juubi Jin Obito, both which have Hashirama's DNA as well, to validate the Uchiha clan's strength. Even with EMS Sasuke and EMS Madara, they are both reincarnations of Indra, which, again, devalues their power levels.

The strongest pure blood, regular Uchiha [no Juubi chakra, no Indra chakra, no Hashirama chakra] who trained in his own clans skills, is Itachi, and I don't think I need to explain how weak Itachi is compared to Madara, who has Juubi/Hashirama/Indra powers, or Obito, who has Hashirama/Juubi powers, or Sasuke, who has Indra powers.
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Compare how part I people talk to Neji compared to Naruto. It's very different.

Neji was revered as a genius amongst his peers. He had other branch members (like his mother perhaps). Tenten, Lee, and Gai all cared and respected him.

Sure Naruto's seal didn't hurt him... but instead it caused him to be hated and neglected without being told why. At least Neji knew the circumstances around his father's death and was explained why he got his mark.

Naruto did quite a lot on his own. His entire character up until meeting Jiraiya is basically the results of his own work, except maybe tree climbing. With just his own talent he managed to push out Neji's trump cards.

The failure loser Naruto got all of Neji's best moves from his own hard work. Though without Kurama he would have lost...the fact is he managed to decently push Neji who was reversed as a genius and prodigal son.

Not to mention the work he put into mastering the Rasenshuriken. And the effort into mastering Sage Mode.

He had to battle Kurama before he could get KCM. But ultimately got to befriend Kurama to get more of a benifit from it.

Naruto hardly took short cuts. He worked for what he got. He paid for things he got. For Kurama he lost his parents and wasn't allowed to know the slightest thing about them.


The only "free power up" I'd give him is Biju Mode and then the Hagoromo seal. But he still had to work a bit for Biju Mode because he had to befriend Kurama.



Now am I saying everything Neji has done is second rate? Hardly. He has one of the hardest childhoods. Certainly imo harder than Sasuke. He definitely worked hard.

But the anger he held was strong enough to make a difference. Naruto fought his injustice. Neji succombed to Destiny. The inspiration for Hinata was that rebellious nature.

He was given a reason for things around him. Doesn't make it any easier... but at least closure to why exists.Naruto was not.
Come on no one was there for Neji we don't even know about him mom. Also Neji worked harder than Naruto. And well can you ple-uh-ease tell me how Naruto worked on his on till he meet jiraya. He completed the training with nine tails fox chakra.
When he trained with Kakahi and Yamato he used the chakra didn't kakashi mention it?
Neji wasn't told about his fathers death till the chunnin exams.
Hinata never interacted with Neji means no sister love to Neji.
Hinata was always with Naruto only if he was smart enough to notice.
Naruto said he found his new family in his team.
Naruto has Iruka and the 3rd. Then he made more friends.
Neji was reminded everyday of how he is a slave of the Main branch.
And yeah he worked didn't have any Jiraya to teach him too. He learned everything on his on.
No one taught him. Well yeah. No offence to anyone.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Karin did.:coffee:
Secondly, plot is the story, the story says Hyuuga are shit, yet they still believe they are the greatest clan of the Leaf.:coffee:
Nara shit on them, Yama shits on them, Akamachi shits on them.

I'm making my out of this fanfic thread spawned from a pairing.
Just to show how useless Hyuuga are the only thing that made them even slightly relevant again was a half-baked ass pairing that required the death of their strongest.:coffee:

They're overrated fodders.
Karin surviving that wooden penetration is nothing short of inconsistency on Kishimoto's part. One Chidori from Sasuke, which didn't even hit her heart, and she's on the floor, barfing out blood. Multiple stabs throughout her chest, bites herself to heal it off.

but even if I give you that as a valid point, Neji was already able to block all those spikes with his Kaiten, and he realistically should have done the same when Saving Naruto and Hinata. When that wooden spike was approaching Naruto, Hiashi noted that it was too fast. But any sane person would be able to pick up on the fact that this whole scene was heavily influenced by plot.

Kishimtoto tells us the spikes are moving too fast to be stopped, yet somehow, it's still possible for hinata to move from beside Naruto to in front of him and for Neji to swoosh right in after her.

Again, Hyugas have never been said to be weak in all of the manga, and the exact opposite has been said and shown time and time again.

The Nara clan has nothing that could beat them. Take Neji or Hinata nd put either of them against Shikamaru, they'd win. All of the Nara clan's jutsus require for the shadow to be attached t the opponent, and in such a case, Neji or Hinata could just channel chakra through it to either destroy it or send chakra directly to Shikamaru's organs. That's assuming he'd be able to catch them before he would get blitz'd by an air Palm.

Yamanaka clan members don't even specialize in fighting, much less fighting a Hyuga. Take Ino for example, she literally has no offensive jutsu that can be spoken of, so you claiming they could beat hyugas like Neji or Hinata honestly makes me feel like you're trolling, as the Hyugas could no doubt be able to sense when Ino is getting ready for a mind transfer jutsu and avoid it, which would leave said Yamanaka wide open for an attack. Not to mention Shikamaru has already told Ino that her mind transfer won't work without his Shadow binding.

The Akamichi clan is a joke, pure and simple, as they would be nothing more than slow, giant targets for the Hyuga. Again, take either Neji or Hinata and pit them against Choji. If Choji expands a few of his body parts, which Neji or Hinata would be able to see coming, Neji could counter with a Rotation, protecting him whilst heavily damaging Choji's limbs. Hinata could counter with an Air Palm, sending Choji's hand or leg flying away whilst damaging said body parts so that he won't be able to use it again properly. In the end, Choji's atacks or not fast, so when up against people with crazy arms speed, he's got no hope. Let Choji expand into a giant and Neji and/or Hinata have an easy target to Air Palm spam at, and with each air Palm, rotation, Twin Lion Fists, or normal gentle fist attacks he gets hit with, his odds of winning and ability to fight on will diminish more and more..

Stop speaking out of your ass, man.

yes, Naruhina made the Hyuga relevant again, and yes, NaruHina was half assed, I'm not going to act like Kishimoto's handlment of the Hyuga or NH was any good since that would mean I would actually be defending his writing skills, which I have said time and again, is utter shit. Lol

This is the same man who forgot about his heroine's existence and failed to develop her properly at all, instead insisting on shoehorning moments of slight relevancy for her here and there in order to make himself seem like he actually cares. In a manga where he made nothing but lieage matter, his heroine was made common fodder.

He's the man who forgot to give two kids their mother's dojutsu, forgot that Minato was not hokage when Obito was alive, forgot his own theme of hard work, forgot his own theme of there being no such thing as destiny, retconned Naruto into being of noble lineage as opposed being a nobody, half assed Hinata's confession, Neji's death and Hizashi's revival, and half assed Madara's time as Juubi Jin, completely embarrassing him and bringing shame to his character with his lose to Gai, Naruto, Sasuke and BZ and subsequently being spat out like saliva only to die pathetically.

He didn't even elaborate on Sasuke's power he got from Hashirama, never fulfilled Tobirama's Water style hype, Never fulfilled Hiruzen's hype, never gave Orochimaru's or Suigetsu's or Jugo's characters a solid conclusion, pulled ChojiXKarui straight out of his ass, never even bothered to show the 7 Ninja swordsman's battles despite hyping them up so much and likewise to Kimimaro who also had no paneltime despite being Kaguya's descendant, and yet his powers were unexplored after his revival .

He is the same man who never even bothered to give Kaguya an actual personality, didn't elborate on her past and her relationship with her sons, ended her fight in less than 10 chapters in which she was doing nothing put running away from Naruto and Sasuke, rather pathetic when she was said to be stronger than the Juubi or Madara.

He never even bothered to thoroughly develop the Senju clan despite their supposed relevancy. We don't even know how Hashirama got his Wood style, why only him? We don't know how the Senju clan was united or how their fighting style was like, we don't know what relation they had to the Uzumaki, nor do we know how the Uzumaki were destroyed, what kind of jutsus they used, how their lives were like, or any sort of thing like that. Compared to the Uchiha, who've had their history, politics, families, jutsus, struggles, and skills thoroughly and constantly developed , the Senju and Uzumaki have real shitty development, especially when you consider that they're supposed to be the two relevant clans along side the Uchiha.

Even the main focus of this god forsaken manga, Naruto and Sasuke's bond , is beyond shit. They're not given any genuine moments to establish any sort of deep meaningful bond between them before Sasuke leaves, which is why Kishimoto went into heavy damage control mode, in which he made several homoerotic cover spreads of the two, in which he tried to make naruto similar to Sasuke by giving him an extinct yet powerful lineage/clan, in which he had to try and push the lonely child connection beyond it's limit, in which he retconned Naruto's relationship with Sasuke to be like Hinata's to Naruto, in which he made them parallels of two pairs of brothers [indra/ashu and hamu/hago] due to his own incompetence and inability to properly develop the manga's most central focus.


So, given the last 5 or 7 paragraphs in which I pointed out how badly Kishimoto fcuked up his own manga, why are you trying to point out the Hyuga's failure to get proper development as if that's anything strange or abnormal in this manga?
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

:lok:Tell me what is plot.
Are we admitting Senju > Hyuuga here?:lok:
What I mean by plot is the way he died was poorly executed. Neji could eject chakra from any tenketsu in his body as a means to slow down or impede incoming projectiles as demonstrated V's Kidmaru, or he could've use Kaiton to knock out javelin while in midair or He could've use air palm to easily flick out an incoming attack . Yet instead, Neji was just there only to be shot down by kishi's cupid mindset an lame story. Neji was totally nerfed hard.

All I was saying was because the story had to go the way it did(The Main characters, the Uchiha/Senju HAD to keep receiving power up after power up ) in order to keep the story entertaining, they received an advantage that others did not.

The Hyuga aren't essential to the story but that doesnt make them weak. In the grand scheme of things, their abilities are compared to power houses like Madara, Hashirama, the Kages, Naruto, Sasuke, etc. When that is compared, the Hyuga wouldn't stand out that much.

Compare them with the lesser shinobi and they would look strong. There's someone that stronger, even with the view of a whole clan's power in comparison. Another point is that this is the clan that claims that they are the strongest, so they stand out more and people will scrutinize if they really are that strong as they claim to be. Did other clans made such claims? No.

The Hyuuga are probably one of strongest clan in the Narutoverse; however, Kishi hasn't done a good job at showing the gap between the main cast and "average" ninjas. Since 99% of the ninjas in Naruto's world are fodder, the Hyuuga are not weak on a global basis.

Senju can take out from any damage, but against the Hyuga would be a bad matchup. The Jyuuken can lock all the gateways be counteracted by a sentient, outside, chakra source which prevents them to heal, and can also deal internal damage to their organs. Since we had no idea what happened after Tobirama era, which the only one remained is Tsunade, I'm not going to leave it as a fact that the Hyuga are superior to the Senju since we barely seen their feats.

I'm not comparing to Godly Hashirama , but more to average shinobi, so on that basis, I can only deduct Tsunade feats.
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Hiashi already admitted his defeat to Neji.
I'm not about to argue, but if all the Hyuuga and copy-pastes of each other when it comes to justu(Besides Lion Fist) do you really think any Hyuuga weaker than Neji is ever gonna survive sticks? My point.

Even the Hyuuga wankers on this thread will admit any day Neji is the strongest.
Please do post the scan. The only thing he said is that his byakugan might surpass the main line's. Which would be compared to Hinata and Hanabi. Neji had the potential, but never surpassed Hiashi.

He had to use air wall Palm with Hinata. Hiashi did it on his own.

Also, guess how many people would die if they just stood there and let spikes stab them without using any defensive moves other than the clothes they happen to be wearing,?!

Answer: Everyone in that series that isn't an Edo Tensei or a Hozuki clan water human.

It was hardly, "just some stick."

1. It was an attack from the Juubi....you know, the strongest tailed beast that's origin ties with chakra itself.

2. The size and force of the "sticks" were more like javelins being shot out if a tank.

3. Once they pierce you, they branch out forming four additional branches that fee throughout the body.

Not to mention unlike the entire rest of the alliance (who hid behind rock barriers), Hiashi, Hinata, and Neji had no trouble standing out dodging the hail of spears from the Sashiki no Jutsu. The only reason they struggled was because Naruto was on his knees exhausted, and the jutsu was launched at him with no time to block it.


Hiashi > Neji > Sashiki no Jutsu.
 

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This is the same man who forgot about his heroine's existence and failed to develop her properly at all, instead insisting on shoehorning moments of slight relevancy for her here and there in order to make himself seem like he actually cares. In a manga where he made nothing but lieage matter, his heroine was made common fodder.

He's the man who forgot to give two kids their mother's dojutsu, forgot that Minato was not hokage when Obito was alive, forgot his own theme of hard work, forgot his own theme of there being no such thing as destiny, retconned Naruto into being of noble lineage as opposed being a nobody, half assed Hinata's confession, Neji's death and Hizashi's revival, and half assed Madara's time as Juubi Jin, completely embarrassing him and bringing shame to his character with his lose to Gai, Naruto, Sasuke and BZ and subsequently being spat out like saliva only to die pathetically.

He didn't even elaborate on Sasuke's power he got from Hashirama, never fulfilled Tobirama's Water style hype, Never fulfilled Hiruzen's hype, never gave Orochimaru's or Suigetsu's or Jugo's characters a solid conclusion, pulled ChojiXKarui straight out of his ass, never even bothered to show the 7 Ninja swordsman's battles despite hyping them up so much and likewise to Kimimaro who also had no paneltime despite being Kaguya's descendant, and yet his powers were unexplored after his revival .

He is the same man who never even bothered to give Kaguya an actual personality, didn't elborate on her past and her relationship with her sons, ended her fight in less than 10 chapters in which she was doing nothing put running away from Naruto and Sasuke, rather pathetic when she was said to be stronger than the Juubi or Madara.

He never even bothered to thoroughly develop the Senju clan despite their supposed relevancy. We don't even know how Hashirama got his Wood style, why only him? We don't know how the Senju clan was united or how their fighting style was like, we don't know what relation they had to the Uzumaki, nor do we know how the Uzumaki were destroyed, what kind of jutsus they used, how their lives were like, or any sort of thing like that. Compared to the Uchiha, who've had their history, politics, families, jutsus, struggles, and skills thoroughly and constantly developed , the Senju and Uzumaki have real shitty development, especially when you consider that they're supposed to be the two relevant clans along side the Uchiha.

Even the main focus of this god forsaken manga, Naruto and Sasuke's bond , is beyond shit. They're not given any genuine moments to establish any sort of deep meaningful bond between them before Sasuke leaves, which is why Kishimoto went into heavy damage control mode, in which he made several homoerotic cover spreads of the two, in which he tried to make naruto similar to Sasuke by giving him an extinct yet powerful lineage/clan, in which he had to try and push the lonely child connection beyond it's limit, in which he retconned Naruto's relationship with Sasuke to be like Hinata's to Naruto, in which he made them parallels of two pairs of brothers [indra/ashu and hamu/hago] due to his own incompetence and inability to properly develop the manga's most central focus.


So, given the last 5 or 7 paragraphs in which I pointed out how badly Kishimoto fcuked up his own manga, why are you trying to point out the Hyuga's failure to get proper development as if that's anything strange or abnormal in this manga?
Actually the Hardwork vs Natural Talent theme was always poorly executed. As Sasuke who is suppose to represent natural talent was shown training his ass off even before he awakened the Sharinigan, samething was with Neji IIRC. Then there is Haku with natural talental shitting on Naruto and Sasuke to the point where they had to resort to special abilities.
 
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Lel. Please the speed of the stick was surreal.
Hinata saw it comng and all she could do was stand between it and Naruto. Same with Neji.

I mean reading the manga you could actually convince yourself that Hinata stepped in that spot rugjt before the hit. Then Neji responded accordingly. It is a time where he couldnt do rotation.

The anime didnt show it accurately. It made that scene appear like Neji just randomly throw himself there when in manga reality, it was adrenal and there was no time to defend really. Get it?
 
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