I feel like everyone believes in the 9/11 conspiracy now

[YowYan]

Because of balancing the profit vs gain .... Inside jobs are usually done when the gain is much much more than the loss, and causing an event that would would cause a great economic loss for going to a war which IS a great economic burden is stupid while you can blow up lesser buildings and earn the same result through the press.

The national security act of 1947 (I think) was the start of it introducing acts that go against the people's liberties. And later on, under Bush Junior's administration the patriot act was implemented. And then after 9/11 the National Defense Authorization Act was implemented, robbing the people of their liberty by giving the state the power to indefinitely detain american citizens if only they were SUSPICIOUS of them. Without trial and legal representation at all.

U.s.a. has a ''defence'' department. Under their old ''war'' department they only fought 3 wars. The spanish american war, ww1 and ww2. Under the ''defence'' department where they were only ''defending'' themselves, they fought dozens of wars. It's a public relations move. Just like the modern day ''homeland security''.

You should reconsider the ''gains''. Why would our owners care about the financial damage 9/11 brought if they own 97% of all the wealth on earth. There were plenty of political, socialist gains after 9/11.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Pretty sure roosevelt knew about the pearl harbour attack. Never said anything, the fact whillie brown was informed not to fly on 9/11 and many other things regarding this situation I refuse to believe some said muslims (who were apparently noted hanging out in clubs, drinking the day before) were the initial cause.

 

[Floydical]

Did you even bother giving a read to my post? I said the cause of the explosion was the plane crashing through the column of the building, which supports 40% lift of the centre point; the heat generated by the fuel of the plane to weaken the column; the controlled demolition which tapes show them exploding.

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No, there is no counter to the steel being melted. The research conducted by scientists on the Twin Tower collapse confirmed it to be a fact.



Yes, there were controlled demolitions, and video tapes and the people hear bomb noises going on after the plane had crashed.

[video=youtube;Cw8_YPQLH5I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8_YPQLH5I[/video]



And here you're calling me the ignorant? You think 19 Pakis can sneak to the military basement, hijack a jet and remaining unnoticed, despite the heavy security in military basement. And do you want to know something interesting? 7 of the hijackers turned out to be alive.

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Now I wonder...was this a miracle they survived a devastating crash and building falling off? You must seriously not be this stupid to deny this.



No, there is no ''unimaginable'' scale when it comes to government power or wealth. U.S. used 9/11 to attack Iraq and rob their rich oil. Like what Nazi did 80 years ago, they furthered their propaganda and Hitler ruled Germany later on.



The nation will wake up from its delusional beliefs, and start protesting the violence its government continues to do upon Iraq, Afghanistan. And not to mention the genocide acts happened during WW2 on Japan. You should also take your advice, bud, because you're the one who needs to look at reality.

I didn't deny that burning jet fuel can't melt steel, only that the temperatures attained would have been high enough to weaken its integrity enough to cause collapse.

You seem to ignore a lot of my points and simply throw your own ideas at me. Do you really believe everything you read online? There could be dozens of Arabs that share the same name, these websites claiming they are still alive could be falsely documented in order to benefit themselves. As long as one person with that name is still alive, they could claim its the same man.

I assume the jet you are referring to was the one that hit the South Tower. Where are you getting this info that they hijacked it from a secure facility like that? It could have been any airliner sized plane on any old runway like a commercial jet, where they only had to get tickets for the flight and hijack it. Again, do you believe everything you read online?

The controlled demolition thing is laughable. Trusting a single witness is crazy and no one person is reliable enough to prove this was a conspiracy. Countless things could have been heard that day that were misconstrued as explosions. Notice how all controlled demo's fall from the bottom with the top intact. The towers fell due to lost integrity around the impact zone. For it to have worked like they wanted, they would have had to have explosions in that exact zone.

In fact, they'd need explosions wired in essentially the whole building to account for where the hijackers MIGHT HAVE HIT THE BUILDING WITH THE PLANE. Your supporting of controlled demo is, again, laughable to say the least. Believing in such lunacy is sad. Please, PLEASE wake up and realize everything you are reading in regard to these ideas is BS used to progress their own agenda. Everything about the towers collapsing are not consistent with controlled demos and the way the towers fell supported the impact zone being the only cause.

 

[Avani]

The national security act of 1947 (I think) was the start of it introducing acts that go against the people's liberties. And later on, under Bush Junior's administration the patriot act was implemented. And then after 9/11 the National Defense Authorization Act was implemented, robbing the people of their liberty by giving the state the power to indefinitely detain american citizens if only they were SUSPICIOUS of them. Without trial and legal representation at all.

U.s.a. has a ''defence'' department. Under their old ''war'' department they only fought 3 wars. The spanish american war, ww1 and ww2. Under the ''defence'' department where they were only ''defending'' themselves, they fought dozens of wars. It's a public relations move. Just like the modern day ''homeland security''.

You should reconsider the ''gains''. Why would our owners care about the financial damage 9/11 brought if they own 97% of all the wealth on earth. There were plenty of political, socialist gains after 9/11.

What next? Yesterdays' terrorist attack was Pak government's conspiracy trying to gain public sympathy against terrorists?

You are sitting safely in a country far away. Neither you have to suffer from terrorism nor you understand how insulting it's to victims and their relatives to try to absolve the crime and criminals by pushing arm chair detective fictions.

It's not like I have much sympathies for US policies or their interference in world politics. But there is a limit to how much someone should believe in conspiracy theories while refusing to see whatever is their in front of their eyes. The others have as much reason to push for some conspiracy as US might have in hiding it if we follow your reasoning itself.

 

[ZK]

What next? Yesterdays' terrorist attack was Pak government's conspiracy trying to gain public sympathy against terrorists?

You are sitting safely in a country far away. Neither you have to suffer from terrorism nor you understand how insulting it's to victims and their relatives to try to absolve the crime and criminals by pushing arm chair detective fictions.

It's not like I have much sympathies for US policies or their interference in world politics. But there is a limit to how much someone should believe in conspiracy theories while refusing to see whatever is their in front of their eyes. The others have as much reason to push for some conspiracy as US might have in hiding it if we follow your reasoning itself.

There's also the whole business of the 'socialist gains' that he mentions... and the part about our 'owners' being in control of 97% of the wealth on Earth. I don't know what he thinks that means, but I'm 97% + 3% sure it's wrong.

 

[Bronze]

I didn't deny that burning jet fuel can't melt steel, only that the temperatures attained would have been high enough to weaken its integrity enough to cause collapse.

It wasn't the cause of the collapse. Simply did enough heat to weaken the particles for it be bombed by the controlled demolitions.

You seem to ignore a lot of my points and simply throw your own ideas at me. Do you really believe everything you read online? There could be dozens of Arabs that share the same name, these websites claiming they are still alive could be falsely documented in order to benefit themselves. As long as one person with that name is still alive, they could claim its the same man.

Please stop imaging things. If there is a person wanted in the FBI list, and this person had came up in information such as the link I posted, then it is legit info. Furthermore, they know what the people speculated to be involved in 9/11 look like.

I assume the jet you are referring to was the one that hit the South Tower. Where are you getting this info that they hijacked it from a secure facility like that? It could have been any airliner sized plane on any old runway like a commercial jet, where they only had to get tickets for the flight and hijack it. Again, do you believe everything you read online?

What the actual hell? That jet was a military jet. Do you know what military jets look like? They look like the ones that crashed through the Twin Towers. Do you know that if they got their tickets for flight, the news would have mentioned it, but it didn't. No, I'm not reading all this online. I saw it on the news and legitimate information.

The controlled demolition thing is laughable. Trusting a single witness is crazy and no one person is reliable enough to prove this was a conspiracy. Countless things could have been heard that day that were misconstrued as explosions. Notice how all controlled demo's fall from the bottom with the top intact. The towers fell due to lost integrity around the impact zone. For it to have worked like they wanted, they would have had to have explosions in that exact zone.

Have you actually watched the video? The people that were inside the building before being secured out of it, heard bomb noises. The people who have been watching the tower noticed parts of the building undamaged by the plane, have gone off. You cannot fool what people saw right straight through their eyes. If the building as big as Twin Towers would be collapse in the manner of deconstruction, do you know they would use controlled demolition? Because they would.

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In fact, they'd need explosions wired in essentially the whole building to account for where the hijackers MIGHT HAVE HIT THE BUILDING WITH THE PLANE. Your supporting of controlled demo is, again, laughable to say the least. Believing in such lunacy is sad. Please, PLEASE wake up and realize everything you are reading in regard to these ideas is BS used to progress their own agenda. Everything about the towers collapsing are not consistent with controlled demos and the way the towers fell supported the impact zone being the only cause.

The collapse of the building had been explained by scientists conducting research during 9/11. You can talk about how I read everything online when I don't as much as you want, my information comes from scientific research and proven.

 

[Mike D Roberts]

Neither you have to suffer from terrorism nor you understand how insulting it's to victims and their relatives to try to absolve the crime and criminals by pushing arm chair detective fictions.

There is enough evidence that supports the claims of U.S. and Israel doing it, and all of it is in my first post from this thread.

If the victims want their views about the terrorists doing the attacks to be taken seriously, they should do some researches and bring evidence that the terrorists really did it.

Playing the victim is something overused. People experience sad things and then they feel entitled to enforce their opinions on others, taking advantage of the empathy of others.

And for the ones who do not believe me, take a green apple, and with the goal to make it turn blue, stare at it and cry. After this please reply, and tell me how well it went. If you are persistent enough maybe it will dry.

Also, why would the victims be bothered by people who search for the people who did it? Why would they be upset if it is proven that the Muslims did not do it? Do they want to hate the persons who did it or are they looking for reasons to hate the Muslims?

 

[YowYan]

What next? Yesterdays' terrorist attack was Pak government's conspiracy trying to gain public sympathy against terrorists?

You are sitting safely in a country far away. Neither you have to suffer from terrorism nor you understand how insulting it's to victims and their relatives to try to absolve the crime and criminals by pushing arm chair detective fictions.

It's not like I have much sympathies for US policies or their interference in world politics. But there is a limit to how much someone should believe in conspiracy theories while refusing to see whatever is their in front of their eyes. The others have as much reason to push for some conspiracy as US might have in hiding it if we follow your reasoning itself.

I will not comment on that Paki incident as I haven't read up on it.
And I really do not see how it's insulting to them to claim their government sees them as expendable, the end justifying the means.
If I insult them with that, they have a deluded sense of patriotism.

At the bolded: I could say the same ._. There's so many dots that connect, so many things that fall in place, just no direct evidence but how the hell do you expect to find direct evidence if these events were to be staged or, in this case, actually happening and planned decades ahead. We're talking about our owners here. Ofcourse there'd be no legitimate proof left behind for the people. We're only left to ponder and wonder, forget about it with the slur of our everyday mechanic life and move on.

And there's hundreds of american engineers who gathered and are suspicious of this ''tragic terroristic attack by foreign hands''. People that were there and witnessed shady things and tried to spread the word actually disappeared or died randomly.

 

[Avani]

There is enough evidence that supports the claims of U.S. and Israel doing it, and all of it is in my first post from this thread.

If the victims want their views about the terrorists doing the attacks to be taken seriously, they should do some researches and bring evidence that the terrorists really did it.

Playing the victim is something overused. People experience sad things and then they feel entitled to enforce their opinions on others, taking advantage of the empathy of others.

And for the ones who do not believe me, take a green apple, and with the goal to make it turn blue, stare at it and cry. After this please reply, and tell me how well it went. If you are persistent enough maybe it will dry.

Also, why would the victims be bothered by people who search for the people who did it? Why would they be upset if it is proven that the Muslims did not do it? Do they want to hate the persons who did it or are they looking for reasons to hate the Muslims?

Maybe you should go and ask the parents of the dead kids in yesterday's attack to bring evidence that the terrorists did it.

What religion 9/11 attackers followed is secondary - terrorism itself shouldn't be given any excuse and that was made loud and clear once again yesterday when they gunned down some 141 people- 132 of them minors and burned their teacher alive in front of them. - which you just ignored in my last post.

I'm not the one making it a case of Muslim terrorism but I can see the diversions and attempts to find a red herring too. It's not like 9/11 is the only terrorist attack ever happened in the world. We have had planes hijacked and flown to Kandhar ( via Pakistan and UAE) Before 9/11 and we had out parliament attacked later. One terrorist from the 26/11 attack in Mumbai was in fact caught alive due to bravery of a cop who caught hold of a terrorist and wouldn't let go despite being shot several times by AK47.

Want a video of his confession? Or the details of the blood trail they left?

Just this month 4 terrorist attack in Kashmir by terrorist of Taliban related outfits and one in another state in affected by communist terrorists, here. I hold zero sympathy for their cause, e it any such group because not only they are hypocrites, they are misusing whatever cause or ideology they suppose to fight for, for personal power game with little concern for normal people.

@ YowYan: Keep your tin foil hat up. But if you are going with " I can say the same" argument then obviously your own theory doesn't hold anymore weight to me than my view to you. So why argue even?

In the end it doesn't even matter who did it. If someone from US government were involved even they couldn't do it without using their double agents in terrorist outfits. Taliban were US foster kids, weren't they? Or somewhere something would have leaked from the official sources after this much time. It was too big a thing to pull off. It simply couldn't be hidden for forever. Internet researches are useless for such a purpose. Because in the end it's just a lot of guesswork and assumption without having all the details.

You just jump on any occasion to blame everything on US completely. So it's not like you are seeing the same theories without bias either. You are choosing to believe one set of evidence and dismiss the rest as fabricated. So am I. We can only disagree on this issue.

 

[Handsome Jack]

The oil-thing... is the only thing that bothers me... and that building collapsed I don't even what to say.

 

[YowYan]

Keep in mind the media tells you that protests around the world number a few hundred, one- or two thousand max protesters but as a matter of fact, the numbers are usually close to 500.000. In Spain, U.S.A., Chili, Brasil, Iceland, Amsterdam, etc etc. People are gathering and demanding their liberty and it's a much bigger thing as the media portrays it to be. It's called a media black-out.

While typing this, I remembered an old video.

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Educate yourselves, simpletons. (hint: zero kelvin)

@Ira: Stay gullible, if you must Here's a little lesson: Not too long ago, the u.s. government made about 14 trillion tax payers dollars disappear. People were a bit outraged but not too much as it wasn't distributed as much in the media, thus dying out in time. On top of that, keep telling a lie as if its truth and eventually, people will accept it as truth. Adding random distractions in the news like kardashian's rear, would keep people's eyes from the bengazi incident and other important issues at hand.

Now, the same thing applies to the 9/11 incident. Keep believing it was too big to cover up. Even with all the legitimate points exposing the agenda behind it, simpletons would dismiss it as they've been spoonfed lies for decades and something like this goes against all they've been spoonfed.

And I point fingers at the u.s. mostly as it's the aggressor. My country and others as members of NATO are the dogs of U.S. and U.K. We're no different really but u.s. is the aggressor. We are the dogs.

 

[Iblas]

The national security act of 1947 (I think) was the start of it introducing acts that go against the people's liberties. And later on, under Bush Junior's administration the patriot act was implemented. And then after 9/11 the National Defense Authorization Act was implemented, robbing the people of their liberty by giving the state the power to indefinitely detain american citizens if only they were SUSPICIOUS of them. Without trial and legal representation at all.

U.s.a. has a ''defence'' department. Under their old ''war'' department they only fought 3 wars. The spanish american war, ww1 and ww2. Under the ''defence'' department where they were only ''defending'' themselves, they fought dozens of wars. It's a public relations move. Just like the modern day ''homeland security''.

You should reconsider the ''gains''. Why would our owners care about the financial damage 9/11 brought if they own 97% of all the wealth on earth. There were plenty of political, socialist gains after 9/11.

This is pretty close.

It's always profitable to convince the masses they are threatened and need to be protected.

I can't believe there are people so naive to think the government wouldn't do anything to indebt the nation. Who said it is about the people (average taxpayer/voter)? It is about the politicians and the businessmen behind them. As long as they get their billions, it doesn't matter how many people die.

That said, notwithstanding that I'm indifferent about 9/11. I don't know if it was an "inside job", but I'm not surprised any way. I can imagine the gov. knowing about it and let it happen.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

You just said own nations benefit it's not about the nation but the ones ruling it benefit

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

It wasn't the cause of the collapse. Simply did enough heat to weaken the particles for it be bombed by the controlled demolitions.



Please stop imaging things. If there is a person wanted in the FBI list, and this person had came up in information such as the link I posted, then it is legit info. Furthermore, they know what the people speculated to be involved in 9/11 look like.



What the actual hell? That jet was a military jet. Do you know what military jets look like? They look like the ones that crashed through the Twin Towers. Do you know that if they got their tickets for flight, the news would have mentioned it, but it didn't. No, I'm not reading all this online. I saw it on the news and legitimate information. O_O



Have you actually watched the video? The people that were inside the building before being secured out of it, heard bomb noises. The people who have been watching the tower noticed parts of the building undamaged by the plane, have gone off. You cannot fool what people saw right straight through their eyes. If the building as big as Twin Towers would be collapse in the manner of deconstruction, do you know they would use controlled demolition? Because they would.

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The collapse of the building had been explained by scientists conducting research during 9/11. You can talk about how I read everything online when I don't as much as you want, my information comes from scientific research and proven.

LoL at the picture.

How's is that your proof that they set of explosives?

When tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin.



The WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air—along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse—was ejected with enormous energy. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition.



There's other reasons that could explain the explosive sounds. Transformers or other electrical equipment that the building had.Concrete floors slamming into another,etc.

Those aren't military jets. Anyone that's been around them should know that.
You people turn everything logical into false information.

 

[Bronze]

How's is that your proof that they set of explosives?

Jesus Christ! Are you blind? That bomb exploded before the chunk of smoke fire had reached.

When tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin.

You have no idea of the structure of the Twin Towers. The weight of the jet is not enough to make a column collapse, which is composed of steel that weights 100,000 tons. And furthermore, the process that made the towers collapse was the heat fuel and controlled demolition. Pancaking was never involved in the collapse of Twin Towers.

The WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air—along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse—was ejected with enormous energy. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition.

Nice try...the Twin Towers were designed to withstand air force.

There's other reasons that could explain the explosive sounds. Transformers or other electrical equipment that the building had.Concrete floors slamming into another,etc.

The explosive sounds were confirmed that it was produced by controlled demolition, which is now confirmed fact.

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Those aren't military jets. Anyone that's been around them should know that.
You people turn everything logical into false information.

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It was military jet.

 

[ZK]

Keep in mind the media tells you that protests around the world number a few hundred, one- or two thousand max protesters but as a matter of fact, the numbers are usually close to 500.000. In Spain, U.S.A., Chili, Brasil, Iceland, Amsterdam, etc etc. People are gathering and demanding their liberty and it's a much bigger thing as the media portrays it to be. It's called a media black-out.

While typing this, I remembered an old video.

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Educate yourselves, simpletons. (hint: zero kelvin)

@Ira: Stay gullible, if you must Here's a little lesson: Not too long ago, the u.s. government made about 14 trillion tax payers dollars disappear. People were a bit outraged but not too much as it wasn't distributed as much in the media, thus dying out in time. On top of that, keep telling a lie as if its truth and eventually, people will accept it as truth. Adding random distractions in the news like kardashian's rear, would keep people's eyes from the bengazi incident and other important issues at hand.

Now, the same thing applies to the 9/11 incident. Keep believing it was too big to cover up. Even with all the legitimate points exposing the agenda behind it, simpletons would dismiss it as they've been spoonfed lies for decades and something like this goes against all they've been spoonfed.

And I point fingers at the u.s. mostly as it's the aggressor. My country and others as members of NATO are the dogs of U.S. and U.K. We're no different really but u.s. is the aggressor. We are the dogs.

As Ira said; keep your tinfoil hat up. It's so easy to not budge when all you have to do is assume that those who disagree with your view are 'uneducated.'
And please, the whole youtube thing? Don't mke me comment on the fact that your 'evidence' is a youtube video.

 

[vasu 32]

Hell no. Supporting these non-sense theories only give advantages to the terrorists to point back towards our respective nations, and fool more people driven by hatred.

The recent Peshawar Attacks is another example. The mastermind of 26 November 2008, Mumbai Attacks,Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid, blamed India for the attacks first. He tweeted, "India, we will NOT forgive you for this atrocity ! You chose the day of December 16th to rub it in. We stand firm, united & will crush you !".

After few minutes Taliban spokesman Muhammad Umar Khorasani said, "We selected the army's school for the attack because the government is targeting our families and females. We want them to feel the pain."

So to continue to spread the hate, the former terrorist started saying India funded the attack! WOW! And many Pakistanis started believing it considering it was re-tweeted 660 times and favorites by 416 people. Even their retired General, in one of our news shows, started pointing it out to India.

This is the result of those BS conspiracy theories.

 

[Avani]

Hell no. Supporting these non-sense theories only give advantages to the terrorists to point back towards our respective nations, and fool more people driven by hatred.

The recent Peshawar Attacks is another example. The mastermind of 26 November 2008, Mumbai Attacks,Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid, blamed India for the attacks first. He tweeted, "India, we will NOT forgive you for this atrocity ! You chose the day of December 16th to rub it in. We stand firm, united & will crush you !".

After few minutes Taliban spokesman Muhammad Umar Khorasani said, "We selected the army's school for the attack because the government is targeting our families and females. We want them to feel the pain."

So to continue to spread the hate, the former terrorist started saying India funded the attack! WOW! And many Pakistanis started believing it considering it was re-tweeted 660 times and favorites by 416 people. Even their retired General, in one of our news shows, started pointing it out to India.

This is the result of those BS conspiracy theories.

They all get angry that US is interfering in Middle east but see little wrong in Middle Eastern scoio/political aggression in other countries. It started centuries before the American continent was "discovered/re-discovered" and is still on.

@Ira: Stay gullible, if you must Here's a little lesson: Not too long ago, the u.s. government made about 14 trillion tax payers dollars disappear. People were a bit outraged but not too much as it wasn't distributed as much in the media, thus dying out in time. On top of that, keep telling a lie as if its truth and eventually, people will accept it as truth. Adding random distractions in the news like kardashian's rear, would keep people's eyes from the bengazi incident and other important issues at hand.

Now, the same thing applies to the 9/11 incident. Keep believing it was too big to cover up. Even with all the legitimate points exposing the agenda behind it, simpletons would dismiss it as they've been spoonfed lies for decades and something like this goes against all they've been spoonfed.

And I point fingers at the u.s. mostly as it's the aggressor. My country and others as members of NATO are the dogs of U.S. and U.K. We're no different really but u.s. is the aggressor. We are the dogs.

Just a question- are you a native resident in your currently or from one of the migrant ones?

Secondly- What you are doing here is assuming a theory to be fact and looking for evidence to support that theory while ignoring and rejecting everything which isn't convenient for you as fake. Only a gullible person can be swayed by such evidence. And it's not me here. Either you are not familiar with how politics works or you are trying to tell us that only US can lie, not terrorist or their supporters.

 

[YowYan]

As Ira said; keep your tinfoil hat up. It's so easy to not budge when all you have to do is assume that those who disagree with your view are 'uneducated.'
And please, the whole youtube thing? Don't mke me comment on the fact that your 'evidence' is a youtube video.

It's an old lecture, wether it's uploaded to youtube or not doesn't make it any less legitimate. And obv you haven't given it a try so scram.

They all get angry that US is interfering in Middle east but see little wrong in Middle Eastern scoio/political aggression in other countries. It started centuries before the American continent was "discovered/re-discovered" and is still on.



Just a question- are you a native resident in your currently or from one of the migrant ones?

Secondly- What you are doing here is assuming a theory to be fact and looking for evidence to support that theory while ignoring and rejecting everything which isn't convenient for you as fake. Only a gullible person can be swayed by such evidence. And it's not me here. Either you are not familiar with how politics works or you are trying to tell us that only US can lie, not terrorist or their supporters.

The quote feat doesn't work?

Anywho, I've been over countless of investigations and information over the years. What I post on the base is typed down within 3-4 mins and I don't try to sound smart by formulating my sentences overly neat like some and spending 20 minutes re-searching what I read in the distant past. So no you haven't grasped the content that 'swayed' me as of yet.

And it might seem like I'm overly focussed on the U.S., but I simply leave out the ties to other nations (including the connections to saudi caliphates and private corps from u.k and blabla) as I'd have to go intodeep. U.S.'s policies influence other nations directly and more out in the open than others so it's easier for me to focus on that. Takes less off my time. Also because my country was highly influenced by the U.S. when it comes to culture and media.

And I'm a native here. Partially dutch though as I also have carribean and native american roots.

And one more thing: No shit there are aggressors residing in the middle east who do terrible things to surrounding groups of people. That does not give u.s. the right to meddle and give themselves the right to police the rest of the world. They're no better, really. Go and have a look at the latest info concerning C.I.A. ''enhanced interrogations''. Not any less cruel than some things happening in the middle east. If U.S. wasn't there to begin with, we could have been focussing fully on the middle-eastern aggressors. Try watching that lecture before dismissing it as of yet. You won't obv.

 

[Avani]

It's an old lecture, wether it's uploaded to youtube or not doesn't make it any less legitimate. And obv you haven't given it a try so scram.



The quote feat doesn't work?

Anywho, I've been over countless of investigations and information over the years. What I post on the base is typed down within 3-4 mins and I don't try to sound smart by formulating my sentences overly neat like some and spending 20 minutes re-searching what I read in the distant past. So no you haven't grasped the content that 'swayed' me as of yet.

And it might seem like I'm overly focussed on the U.S., but I simply leave out the ties to other nations (including the connections to saudi caliphates and private corps from u.k and blabla) as I'd have to go intodeep. U.S.'s policies influence other nations directly and more out in the open than others so it's easier for me to focus on that. Takes less off my time. Also because my country was highly influenced by the U.S. when it comes to culture and media.

And I'm a native here. Partially dutch though as I also have carribean and native american roots.

And one more thing: No shit there are aggressors residing in the middle east who do terrible things to surrounding groups of people. That does not give u.s. the right to meddle and give themselves the right to police the rest of the world. They're no better, really. Go and have a look at the latest info concerning C.I.A. ''enhanced interrogations''. Not any less cruel than some things happening in the middle east. If U.S. wasn't there to begin with, we could have been focussing fully on the middle-eastern aggressors. Try watching that lecture before dismissing it as of yet. You won't obv.

No matter how much internet you searched, your sources are still narrow and so is your world view. We are not discussing about what rights US have and how bad it is. The topic is terrorism and one particular terrorist attacks.

Your country' problem with US is one thing but that doesn't mean that the problem of terrorism doesn't exist or middle eastern do not interfere other nations- and no, I'm not talking about only their immediate neighbours. They played their game in Afghanistan too as well as in other places. Or US wouldn't have found a soul mate in those organizations eager to expand along with them- it's just bigger and was more resourceful so it took the lead. But, when you play with fire for your own purpose, no matter how expert you are, sometimes you may end up with burns yourself. That's what 9/11 was.

Most unbelievable part of this theory isn't the facts of the conspiracy - it's the competence of the execution. The fact that you believe that US officials were able to make so many fake leads across the globe , and plant money trails and to get the planes hijacked, blow the towers up with this many people, the people in the third plane who died in the crash calling home and none of the conspirators ever opened their mouth in all these years. It may be a sound action movie script but in RL it's too big a feat. If you just look at how many people would have needed to be involved and the level of skill, timing and finally secrecy to pull off such a grand 'inside job' I think you are giving the government too much credit. If their motivation was they wanted to go to war it would have been much easier to set of a few bomb or something like that.

Do the governments lie? Yes they do- mostly politicians with personal greed or ambitions or trying to hide their incompetence. The conspiracy makes them look highly competent and smart, while their adventures abroad, don't.

Either way- as you said US is no better than those countries that means the reverse is true too- so what makes you chose one story over the other? In the end it's just a mater of what and whom you chose to believe. You might try to feel in control armed with extra piece of "information" and of course it feels good to feel that you know better than all those sheep out there, you yourself are biased in favour of a certain opinion on this issue.

I have my own experience with extremists and terrorists( of many kinds) in my own country and threat of Taliban and related outfits is too near for us to ignore and pretend it's the government only.