I feel like everyone believes in the 9/11 conspiracy now

[YowYan]

No matter how much internet you searched, your sources are still narrow and so is your world view. We are not discussing about what rights US have and how bad it is. The topic is terrorism and one particular terrorist attacks.

Your country' problem with US is one thing but that doesn't mean that the problem of terrorism doesn't exist or middle eastern do not interfere other nations- and no, I'm not talking about only their immediate neighbours. They played their game in Afghanistan too as well as in other places. Or US wouldn't have found a soul mate in those organizations eager to expand along with them- it's just bigger and was more resourceful so it took the lead. But, when you play with fire for your own purpose, no matter how expert you are, sometimes you may end up with burns yourself. That's what 9/11 was.

Most unbelievable part of this theory isn't the facts of the conspiracy - it's the competence of the execution. The fact that you believe that US officials were able to make so many fake leads across the globe , and plant money trails and to get the planes hijacked, blow the towers up with this many people, the people in the third plane who died in the crash calling home and none of the conspirators ever opened their mouth in all these years. It may be a sound action movie script but in RL it's too big a feat. If you just look at how many people would have needed to be involved and the level of skill, timing and finally secrecy to pull off such a grand 'inside job' I think you are giving the government too much credit. If their motivation was they wanted to go to war it would have been much easier to set of a few bomb or something like that.

Do the governments lie? Yes they do- mostly politicians with personal greed or ambitions or trying to hide their incompetence. The conspiracy makes them look highly competent and smart, while their adventures abroad, don't.

Either way- as you said US is no better than those countries that means the reverse is true too- so what makes you chose one story over the other? In the end it's just a mater of what and whom you chose to believe. You might try to feel in control armed with extra piece of "information" and of course it feels good to feel that you know better than all those sheep out there, you yourself are biased in favour of a certain opinion on this issue.

I have my own experience with extremists and terrorists( of many kinds) in my own country and threat of Taliban and related outfits is too near for us to ignore and pretend it's the government only.

My country has no problem with the U.S. Them influencing our culture and media was not necessarily a negative thing and neither did I make it out to be. Just clarifying that. A negative thing though, is them using NATO to make us spend taxpayers money on weaponizing syrian rebels in 2013 and other issues. Most dutchies don't even know or care.

Other than that, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You think I should wear a tin foil hat, I think you underestimate them severely. And your lack of knowledge thereof is not helping your judgment either. Another mistake is thinking the politicians on the front line are in any form or way, leading these agendas. Strut away, pidgeon.

 

[sharingan67]

People died in 9/11 but the "who" will never be answered. Both version are faith belief.
Same for what happened in Pakistan, as the bodies of terrorists has been found with evil skulls tattoos on the back, golden teeth and not even circumcised.

 

[rollin]

Conspiracy theories/theorists are crazy but to think that there's no truth, if even a little, to some conspiracy theories is just as crazy
if not a little more

 

[Avani]

My country has no problem with the U.S. Them influencing our culture and media was not necessarily a negative thing and neither did I make it out to be. Just clarifying that. A negative thing though, is them using NATO to make us spend taxpayers money on weaponizing syrian rebels in 2013 and other issues. Most dutchies don't even know or care.

Other than that, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You think I should wear a tin foil hat, I think you underestimate them severely. And your lack of knowledge thereof is not helping your judgment either. Another mistake is thinking the politicians on the front line are in any form or way, leading these agendas. Strut away, pidgeon.

Your sources for this conspiracy theory are the kind you can't even name or link and claim them authentic nor they can be held accountable for the content they post on net. You think you have knowledge when all you are doing is helping out in the game of terror trying to free them of accountability for their own actions and turning them in martyrs.

I guess it helps you sleep at night better to think terrorists are just figment of imagination and you have spotted the big bad far away.

People died in 9/11 but the "who" will never be answered. Both version are faith belief.
Same for what happened in Pakistan, as the bodies of terrorists has been found with evil skulls tattoos on the back, golden teeth and not even circumcised.

All 6 or just one of them had all that? Source please? BTW, What's the ruling for neo converts? Would you say no to a person wanting to convert on the basis of a tattoo on the body? News I read only mentioned one body and 8-9 year old tattoo.

And this:

All tragedies provoke emotional exhortations. But nothing changed after Lakki Marwat when 105 spectators of a volleyball match were killed by a suicide bomber in a pickup truck. Or, when 96 Hazaras in a snooker club died in a double suicide attack. The 127 dead in the All Saints Church bombing in Peshawar, or the 90 Ahmadis killed while in prayer, are now dry statistics. In 2012, men in military uniforms stopped four buses bound from Rawalpindi to Gilgit, demanding that all 117 persons alight and show their national identification cards. Those with typical Shia names, like Abbas and Jafri, were separated. Minutes later corpses lay on the ground.

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Such incidents are not new.

 

[Funky Tiger]

It probably wasn't.

 

[Tech1]

First off, I don't believe in any 9/11 conspiracies and feel that most have been thoroughly debunked. Yet, I feel like most Americans now believe it was an inside job. Its like the JFK assassination, very few believed it was an inside job at the time, but as the decades passed, people believed in the conspiracy theories more and more.

Getting to my point, I was debating with a guy I work with and it turns out that all 5 of the guys I work shoulder to shoulder with believe in some level of the 9/11 conspiracy. Some believe its 100% an inside job while some are less direct, but will specifically state they feel like our own people were involved in it somehow. I can't believe that citizens actually choose to believe in these conspiracies, as believing in something like this has no benefit to our nation.

Most of the conspiracy theories have been debunked and made little sense to begin with. Some of these conspiracies rely heavily on individual testimony and everyone knows you can't always trust individuals. The fact about jet fuel not being able to melt steel is irrelevant as all it needed to do was weaken the steel. Once the steel was weakened, considering the massive weight of the above floors, that was all that was needed to collapse the towers. Notice how the south tower fell first despite being hit second.... because it was hit lower and had more floors above the impact zone. Lastly, the "explosions" seen coming out of the floors all happened as the tower was already falling. Obviously those window blowouts were from pressure being released from air being pushed out.

Either way.... getting back to what I pointed out before.... I find no point in believing in such a conspiracy. When I argue this conspiracy, I ask the person what benefit does believing in this give you? What good would you be doing if you actually proved this? They always say that its to convince people the government can't be trusted and that it will open people's minds. Even if it was proven true, what benefit would there be from everyone being against the government? Would a revolution benefit us? Clearly such a thing would be disastrous for the whole country. Again I see no point in believing in this conspiracy considering the gravity of what people are proposing and the evil it would entail.

Just now added a poll.

Learn to question your government and not believe everything they tell you, or the "official report". Anyone with a ****ing brain knows something was very wrong on 9/11, and it's just idiots like you that piss people off more that claim otherwise.

You want some "sense"? Money is made off of war, and people will lie to make money and go to war. Chew on that first, before you annoy people even more with "oh, our government would NEVER do something like that, that just doesn't benefit us". Money benefits us, why the **** do you think bush lied about weapons of mass destruction in Afgan. and was really after the oil in it?

I have friends that are in the military and that are ex military, and they are TIRED of people like you who think things like our government at least having a hand in 9/11 is HIGHLY unlikely, when in reality, it's more then likely.

Get real, if you think the government is incapable of doing terrible things, you should start with hitler.

 

[Floydical]

Learn to question your government and not believe everything they tell you, or the "official report". Anyone with a ****ing brain knows something was very wrong on 9/11, and it's just idiots like you that piss people off more that claim otherwise.

You want some "sense"? Money is made off of war, and people will lie to make money and go to war. Chew on that first, before you annoy people even more with "oh, our government would NEVER do something like that, that just doesn't benefit us". Money benefits us, why the **** do you think bush lied about weapons of mass destruction in Afgan. and was really after the oil in it?

I have friends that are in the military and that are ex military, and they are TIRED of people like you who think things like our government at least having a hand in 9/11 is HIGHLY unlikely, when in reality, it's more then likely.

Get real, if you think the government is incapable of doing terrible things, you should start with hitler.

I don't trust the government and I don't believe everything I'm told. I simply won't believe that our government planned to kill 3000 of its own citizens in order to have a cause to go to war. Every conspiracy theorist is trusting the word of others, or the claims of others to back up their stories because that's all they have. Why do you think that believing conspiracy theorists is any different than believing the government in a situation like this? Look in the mirror and ask yourself that before commenting like that. Conspiracy theorists can't prove what they are telling me despite how 'trivial' they think the physics is revolving around the towers collapse was. They can't convince me bombs went off simply by telling me someone else told them that's what happened. Wake up and see the things you are claiming about my ignorance could easily be pointed in the other direction. You should ask yourself why you trust other conspiracy theorists.

Not to mention, you're the second person to misconstrue some of my words. I never said that the government attacking its own wouldn't benefit them, I said that BELIEVING IN THIS CONSPIRACY DOES NOTHING TO BENEFIT THE THEORISTS. Why do they choose to believe in something so crazy? Is it to boost their own egos? Is it to create mistrust for our government? Is it to rally the cause against our government? What good would that do? What good would a civil war do us in this day and age? If you don't like America, why don't you go live in some third world country and see how life is there? Or would you rather become a communist and move to Russia where you have no true free will? Don't act as if I don't have respect for the military. Don't act as if I don't understand things. I ask you to wake up and look at what good comes from believing something like this. Get back to me on that once you've thought it over.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Playing the role of victim to advance its own goals is a time old american trick.

 

[YowYan]

Your sources for this conspiracy theory are the kind you can't even name or link and claim them authentic nor they can be held accountable for the content they post on net. You think you have knowledge when all you are doing is helping out in the game of terror trying to free them of accountability for their own actions and turning them in martyrs.

I guess it helps you sleep at night better to think terrorists are just figment of imagination and you have spotted the big bad far away.



All 6 or just one of them had all that? Source please? BTW, What's the ruling for neo converts? Would you say no to a person wanting to convert on the basis of a tattoo on the body? News I read only mentioned one body and 8-9 year old tattoo.

And this:

You must be registered for see links

Such incidents are not new.

Did I deny the existence of terrorists, hm? Terrorists aiming for u.s. soil, that is? No. All be it that u.s. wouldn't have as much threats (if any at all) if they did not have a foreign interventionism agenda. Sure you understand the term 'terror' completely?

Anywho, I'm just specifically talking about 9/11. And as I said before; all my posts are typed directly without re-searching sources that I went through years ago. Not that you have any clue of the depth of those sources.. I'm just stating the obvious, too lazy too look up things, and if you disagree, tough titty. I'll respond with what I remember at that moment, only.

 

[Avani]

Did I deny the existence of terrorists, hm? Terrorists aiming for u.s. soil, that is? No. All be it that u.s. wouldn't have as much threats (if any at all) if they did not have a foreign interventionism agenda. Sure you understand the term 'terror' completely?

Anywho, I'm just specifically talking about 9/11. And as I said before; all my posts are typed directly without re-searching sources that I went through years ago. Not that you have any clue of the depth of those sources.. I'm just stating the obvious, too lazy too look up things, and if you disagree, tough titty. I'll respond with what I remember at that moment, only.

And I'm giving your theoretical claims as much importance as they can muster without any authentic sources to back them up. So yeah tough luck. ^^

 

[YowYan]

And I'm giving your theoretical claims as much importance as they can muster without any authentic sources to back them up. So yeah tough luck. ^^

Theoretical to you as you know jackshit

 

[iNotorious]

I believe that US took part on that, i was reading about this whole theory back in the summer and it was pretty much believable, It's kind of impossible to take down 2 buildings like that.

Seems that everything was all planned.

Can someone explain me about the pentagon?

 

[~Sky~]

All the theories about it being a conspiracy and no one can answer the common question, "why?"

The U.S. didn't need 9/11 to justify going into the Middle East, they could've just gone in regardless.

 

[Floydical]

I believe that US took part on that, i was reading about this whole theory back in the summer and it was pretty much believable, It's kind of impossible to take down 2 buildings like that.

Seems that everything was all planned.

Can someone explain me about the pentagon?

There are two sides to every story. Watch a video debunking the conspiracies and you'll probably say "Oh, you know what, maybe those things aren't that believable.

What do you mean its kind of impossible to take to buildings like that? Do you actually believe the damage the planes caused wasn't enough? Notice how the towers FALL. They fall completely consistent with support to the upper floors being compromised. Ie the planes impact did it. Bombs going off in the tower wouldn't have contributed to a failure like that.

The planes being hijacked is completely believable as the military would NEVER have shot down airliners with civilians on board, even if they knew they were hijacked. It took 9/11 to force pilots to lock their cockpits. Everything makes sense in regard to how it was done and how the towers went down, don't let others tell you otherwise.

The Pentagon was hit by a plane like the 2 towers. Other planes spotted near the area were directed by air traffic control to report the position of the lost plane given its last known location.

 

[YowYan]

All the theories about it being a conspiracy and no one can answer the common question, "why?"

The U.S. didn't need 9/11 to justify going into the Middle East, they could've just gone in regardless.

They need full support of the people for those wars, remember? And don't forget the patriot act, later on the NDAA.