DRSM Madara vs DMS Kakashi

[Transcendence]

And why wouldn't it be compared to their boost? Indra's Chakra and Ashura's Chakra both make up Hagoromo's. Also, the Chakra Kakashi got from Jin Madara was tiny.

There's the belief that the chakra that transmigrated to the transmigrants was lesser than the original chakra from Ashura and Indra. So while Madara did indeed awaken the Rin'negan via making his chakra Hagoromo's, it wasn't in the same quantity. I won't comment on Kakashi's boost because the manga never really stipulated how much Obito really gave him.

 

[Bronze]

There's the belief that the chakra that transmigrated to the transmigrants was lesser than the original chakra from Ashura and Indra. So while Madara did indeed awaken the Rin'negan via making his chakra Hagoromo's, it wasn't in the same quantity. I won't comment on Kakashi's boost because the manga never really stipulated how much Obito really gave him.

I understand about how transmigrants have devolved Chakra from the sons, but why did it take 60 years for Madara to finally awake the Rinnegan after he had gotten Hashirama's cells? If we look at Sasuke's case, he got it straight away from Hagoromo's Yin Chakra, but it took almost Madara's entire life to do so.

 

[Transcendence]

I understand about how transmigrants have devolved Chakra from the sons, but why did it take 60 years for Madara to finally awake the Rinnegan after he had gotten Hashirama's cells? If we look at Sasuke's case, he got it straight away from Hagoromo's Yin Chakra, but it took almost Madara's entire life to do so.

Because of the inherent quantity. Madara bit off a piece of Hashirama's arm IIRC. He implanted it in his smaller wounds. It would take a lot longer for his cells to adapt to foreign DNA, even basing it off Naruto's scientific logic (because IRL, implanting someone else's DNA is basically suicide). Whereas Sasuke got literally half of Hagoromo's Yin from him and the amount needed just straight up adapted to his body because it became his chakra as well, and got the Rin'negan right away.

 

[Bronze]

Because of the inherent quantity. Madara bit off a piece of Hashirama's arm IIRC. He implanted it in his smaller wounds. It would take a lot longer for his cells to adapt to foreign DNA, even basing it off Naruto's scientific logic (because IRL, implanting someone else's DNA is basically suicide). Whereas Sasuke got literally half of Hagoromo's Yin from him and the amount needed just straight up adapted to his body because it became his chakra as well, and got the Rin'negan right away.

My only explanation is the fact the Chakra of the sons flowing inside Madara, took 60 years adapting each other constantly. After finally adapting to the point where it became Hagoromo's Chakra, the Rinnegan awoke. This biological adaptation applied to Kabuto as well, who became close in appearance and power after Orochimaru's genetics were taking over him, meaning they were adapting with its new nature. Sasuke's case here, is it needed exactly half of Hagoromo's Chakra to bloom just one Rinnegan. Madara, however, awoke two Rinnegan, meaning we would assume he got double the amount of it. Even if not double, most of it approx.

In a nutshell: Sasuke got it directly from the actual source, whereas Madara needed to adapt to the actual source. So by that logic, we would have to assume Madara had comparable Rikudou Chakra to Sasuke, and it's greater than Kakashi who only got tiny of it.

 

[Transcendence]

My only explanation is the fact the Chakra of the sons flowing inside Madara, took 60 years adapting each other constantly. After finally adapting to the point where it became Hagoromo's Chakra, the Rinnegan awoke. This biological adaptation applied to Kabuto as well, who became close in appearance and power after Orochimaru's genetics were taking over him, meaning they were adapting with its new nature. Sasuke's case here, is it needed exactly half of Hagoromo's Chakra to bloom just one Rinnegan. Madara, however, awoke two Rinnegan, meaning we would assume he got double the amount of it. Even if not double, most of it approx.

In a nutshell: Sasuke got it directly from the actual source, whereas Madara needed to adapt to the actual source. So by that logic, we would have to assume Madara had comparable Rikudou Chakra to Sasuke, and it's greater than Kakashi who only got tiny of it.

Well, we know Sasuke's Rin'negan is different. Regardless of opinion, it seems not only does he have specific powers, but he also has access to most if not all the Rin'negan paths and his Sharingan powers on top of it. So we can't really compare the two based on the amount of Rin'negans they have. I just wish the databook or the manga explicitly stated how much Madara had.

 

[Bronze]

Well, we know Sasuke's Rin'negan is different. Regardless of opinion, it seems not only does he have specific powers, but he also has access to most if not all the Rin'negan paths and his Sharingan powers on top of it. So we can't really compare the two based on the amount of Rin'negans they have. I just wish the databook or the manga explicitly stated how much Madara had.

The entire point is they got their Rinnegan from having the Six Paths Chakra. That was the intent to reply to how Kakashi possessing greater quality and quantity of it than Rinnegan Madara.

 

[MadaraReturns]

the hype obito brought should be enough to know madara wins. we didn't see madara's full power. juubi jin or not, he wins this. limbo is like another madara (who can use ninjutsu?) by logic it should be able to use ninjutsu.. but that would be too op because its attacks couldn't been seen

 

[AlphaScythian]

Maddy gets sniped in 0.0075463 nanosecond.

Dat kamui

 

[KidGamer65]

Right. But naturally the MS Sharingan didn't have the power to even use PS itself. Whos to say that Rikudo chakra made it use PS to the point that it can at least be = regular PS level?

Stronger chakra, better Susanoo. Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra is what Kakashi uses, and it's stronger than any chakra Madara has ever had bar his JJ forms, so there is no way his PS would be as strong as normal.

At a mathematical point.

EMS Sasuke (naturally has PS Susanoo no boost) + Rikudo's Yin = Super PS

Yup.

MS Kakashi (unnatural use of PS, none at all) + Rikudo's reserves = ?

Like I said. Not having it before doesn't make it as strong as the regular.

Madara (natural PS) + no significant boost + Reningan? = ??

As seen with him and his Complete Susanoo, and Obito and Nagato. It equals the same old Susanoo, maybe slightly stronger.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Stronger chakra, better Susanoo. Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra is what Kakashi uses, and it's stronger than any chakra Madara has ever had bar his JJ forms, so there is no way his PS would be as strong as normal.


Yup.


Like I said. Not having it before doesn't make it as strong as the regular.



As seen with him and his Complete Susanoo, and Obito and Nagato. It equals the same old Susanoo, maybe slightly stronger.

I guess. In the end we still have to factor Madara's other arsenals other then a Susanoo battle.

 

[KidGamer65]

I guess. In the end we still have to factor Madara's other arsenals other then a Susanoo battle.

And none of the other techs in his arsenal are useful here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

And none of the other techs in his arsenal are useful here.

Pretty sure Deva Path and Petra Path nullifies most of his arsenals. And according to DB, they should be able to do it all in Limbo world.

 

[KidGamer65]

Pretty sure Deva Path and Petra Path nullifies most of his arsenals. And according to DB, they should be able to do it all in Limbo world.

DB doesn't say that Limbo can use Madara's jutsu, it only says of equal ability, not that they can use all of his abilities. Manga shows that Limbo uses nothing but Taijutsu. Shown in Chapter 659, shown in Chapter 673, shown in Chapter 674, and shown again in Chapter 676. No reason to believe it can use Taijutsu.

Also, Deva Path does nothing to Susanoo, nor does Preta Path let him absorb PS shockwaves, or Kamui.

 

[Conspirator.]

Can preta path even absorb a Perfect Susanoo efficiently in combat? Even Kaguya, who was said to be able to absorb any jutsu, chose not to do it and instead decided to break through perfect Susanoo with brute force. Anyway, Kakashi clearly wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

DB doesn't say that Limbo can use Madara's jutsu, it only says of equal ability, not that they can use all of his abilities. Manga shows that Limbo uses nothing but Taijutsu. Shown in Chapter 659, shown in Chapter 673, shown in Chapter 674, and shown again in Chapter 676. No reason to believe it can use Taijutsu.

Also, Deva Path does nothing to Susanoo, nor does Preta Path let him absorb PS shockwaves, or Kamui.

Define = in ability by context.

 

[KidGamer65]

Define = in ability by context.

Seeing as they only use Taijutsu, ability probably only refers to speed, strength, perception, and all that.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Seeing as they only use Taijutsu, ability probably only refers to speed, strength, perception, and all that.

Didnt it use Gudōdama staff too?

 

[KidGamer65]

Didnt it use Gudōdama staff too?

Nope. Only Taijutsu.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nope. Only Taijutsu.

Why was he wielding it [

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[KidGamer65]

Why was he wielding it [

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]. Limbo clone is holding the opposite color of the staff.

The white one is the clone. Madara is the black one.