DRSM Madara vs DMS Kakashi

[Brother Numpsay]

Let's start with this. Why would the presence of Madara's eyes dictate whether or not he has the chakra? He got the chakra first. Rinnegan is a result of getting that chakra. Why would taking away the result of the chakra take away the chakra too? Makes no sense. Madara's Rinnegan didn't give him that chakra. He got the Rinnegan from that chakra.

If you want to assert that the eyes themselves contain the chakra, then I'll refer you to Nagato and Obito, who both had the Rinnegan yet received no boost. Ever. Either way, Madara doesn't have a boost even remotely comparable to the likes of Kakashi, let alone Sasuke.

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[KidGamer65]

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1. The owner is the only one who can bring out the eye's true power. Does that change the fact that the eye itself grants no boost to Susanoo? Or any other jutsu? No, it doesn't, unless you'd like to show me where Obito or Nagato's Jutsu got stronger. Either they didn't or they did and it's just so minuscule that it's irrelevant.

2. Does that change the fact that Madara awakened Hagoromo's chakra in his body, which let him awaken the Rinnegan? Does this prove that loss of the Rinnegan means loss of the chakra inside? No, and no.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Does that change the fact that the eye itself grants no boost to Susanoo?

It does grant boost according to Obito's words, if you are the original owner. Madara gaining the Rennigan will have 1)it's chakra (red underline) and 2. it's eye power (blue underline)

Or any other jutsu?

Yes according to Obito. Is Sasuke's Katon the same power level he use against Naruto as it was EMS and lower levels of himself[

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unless you'd like to show me where Obito or Nagato's Jutsu got stronger. Either they didn't or they did and it's just so minuscule that it's irrelevant.

Dont need to since they aren't the owner. And mentioning them is irrelevant to make a point.

2. Does that change the fact that Madara awakened Hagoromo's chakra in his body, which let him awaken the Rinnegan? Does this prove that loss of the Rinnegan means loss of the chakra inside? No, and no.

Having awakened Hagoro's chakra in his body didn't respond to his body but his eyes. So yes, your wrong.

 

[KidGamer65]

It does grant boost according to Obito's words, if you are the original owner. Madara gaining the Rennigan will have 1)it's chakra (red underline) and 2. it's eye power (blue underline)

Lol. I suggest you stop twisting what the manga scan is saying. Obito says that he couldn't handle both due to their overwhelming chakra power and eye power. Obito says that only the original wielder can bring out the Rinnegan's true power. Does that mean the chakra Madara has in his body magically vanishes or is rendered inaffective until he gets his eye back? No. Eye power doesn't make Susanoo stronger. Chakra does. Unless you can show me where getting a Rinnegan eye dramatically boosted somone's Ninjutsu, there is nothing to talk about here.

Yes according to Obito. Is Sasuke's Katon the same power level he use against Naruto as it was EMS and lower levels of himself[

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Rikudo Sasuke has Rikudo's Chakra, which is shown to increase the power of his jutsu. Nothing else is.

Dont need to since they aren't the owner. And mentioning them is irrelevant to make a point.

Irrelevant. You are trying to assert that Madara gets some magical chakra boost because he's the original wielder, even though that was never stated or implied.

Having awakened Hagoro's chakra in his body didn't respond to his body but his eyes. So yes, your wrong.

Except nothing in this manga states anything close to this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol. I suggest you stop twisting what the manga scan is saying. Obito says that he couldn't handle both due to their overwhelming chakra power and eye power. Obito says that only the original wielder can bring out the Rinnegan's true power. Does that mean the chakra Madara has in his body magically vanishes or is rendered inaffective until he gets his eye back? No. Eye power doesn't make Susanoo stronger. Chakra does. Unless you can show me where getting a Rinnegan eye dramatically boosted somone's Ninjutsu, there is nothing to talk about here.

How am I twisting words when your repeating what Im saying. Obito couldnt handle the chakra power and eyepower. We both agree to that. This statement shows that gaining the renningan will give madara it's chakra power and eye power, correct? Whats the twist here?

@Bold: one words, Sasuke by feats since his power is through the eyes like Madara stated.

Rikudo Sasuke has Rikudo's Chakra, which is shown to increase the power of his jutsu. Nothing else is.

So your agreeing with me then. Since his chakra power is only through the rennigan.

Irrelevant. You are trying to assert that Madara gets some magical chakra boost because he's the original wielder, even though that was never stated or implied.

Yes it was. Since Renningan has its chakra power.

Except nothing in this manga states anything close to this.

Really though? So Madara gain sage body before becoming a Juubi Jin?

 

[KidGamer65]

How am I twisting words when your repeating what Im saying. Obito couldnt handle the chakra power and eyepower. We both agree to that. This statement shows that gaining the renningan will give madara it's chakra power and eye power, correct? Whats the twist here?

-You say Obito said that you get a boost if you are the original owner.

-Obito never said that. He only mentioned how the Rinnegan's chakra was too strong for him to handle both.

Like I told you, I'm waiting to see this boost that the Rinnegan gave Obito or Nagato that'll make Madara extra OP. Nagato and Obito had the Rinnegan, Nagato had both. They both had the Rinnegan's strong chakra power and eye power running through their bodies, yet I see no boost worth mentioning. Them not being the original owner only means they can't use the eye's full power, doesn't change the fact they had it's chakra, but no great boost came of it.

@Bold: one words, Sasuke by feats since his power is through the eyes like Madara stated.

Uh, no. Do you realize how little sense this is making? If Rinnegan alone is why Sasuke got this powerful, then Madara would be on par with him even w/o the Juubi. Too bad that is false since he had a Rinnegan and the Juubi yet Sasuke didn't need anywhere near his full power to scare Madara off. Naruto helped, but not only did he barely do anything, Full power Sasuke>Naruto and Sasuke using the moveset they used against Madara.

So your agreeing with me then. Since his chakra power is only through the rennigan.

Obviously not. Sasuke's chakra is that powerful because he got half of Hagoromo's chakra. Rinnegan doesn't give anyone, any kind of great boost for the Ninjutsu. Never has, never will. Ever.

Yes it was. Since Renningan has its chakra power.

Rinnegan has chakra power, doesn't change the fact that Madara still has Rikudo's Chakra in his body. Doesn't change the fact that the chakra he had did nothing for his Susanoo.

Really though? So Madara gain sage body before becoming a Juubi Jin?

Lol, what are you talking about?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

-You say Obito said that you get a boost if you are the original owner.

-Obito never said that. He only mentioned how the Rinnegan's chakra was too strong for him to handle both.

Like I told you, I'm waiting to see this boost that the Rinnegan gave Obito or Nagato that'll make Madara extra OP. Nagato and Obito had the Rinnegan, Nagato had both. They both had the Rinnegan's strong chakra power and eye power running through their bodies, yet I see no boost worth mentioning. Them not being the original owner only means they can't use the eye's full power, doesn't change the fact they had it's chakra, but no great boost came of it.

How can you expect Obito and Nagato to make a significant boost with its chakra when they can't bring out its full power?

Uh, no. Do you realize how little sense this is making? If Rinnegan alone is why Sasuke got this powerful, then Madara would be on par with him even w/o the Juubi. Too bad that is false since he had a Rinnegan and the Juubi yet Sasuke didn't need anywhere near his full power to scare Madara off. Naruto helped, but not only did he barely do anything, Full power Sasuke>Naruto and Sasuke using the moveset they used against Madara.

@Partial rinnegan (which full made Obito go crazy over if he did), when Sasuke had full version. Plus Naruto. @Size, that a big big lie to try to make a point.

Obviously not. Sasuke's chakra is that powerful because he got half of Hagoromo's chakra. Rinnegan doesn't give anyone, any kind of great boost for the Ninjutsu. Never has, never will. Ever.

Hag's chakra are based on two powers. His eyes and body. Sasuke either gains chakra from either of those two.

Rinnegan has chakra power, doesn't change the fact that Madara still has Rikudo's Chakra in his body. Doesn't change the fact that the chakra he had did nothing for his Susanoo.

He couldnt even make PS in that form. And your telling me that he was replacing his Rikudo's chakra for Hashirama's senjutsu chakra?

Lol, what are you talking about?

It seems theres a confusing on power boost between the sages that each character gain.

 

[KidGamer65]

How can you expect Obito and Nagato to make a significant boost with its chakra when they can't bring out its full power?

Eye's full power=/=The chakra from that eye powering up their Ninjutsu. Two completely unrelated things. The power of their chakra and the full power of the eye are not one in the same. Stop thinking that they are. Nagato had both Rinnegan, thus he had all that powerful chakra running through his body, yet his Ninjutsu did not show any kind of significant boost. Obito had one Rinnegan

@Partial rinnegan (which full made Obito go crazy over if he did), when Sasuke had full version.

Nagato also had the full Rinnegan, yet his boost is nowhere near Sasuke's. Proof that Rinnegan isn't what made Sasuke that powerful.

Plus Naruto. @Size, that a big big lie to try to make a point.

Like I said. Full Power Sasuke>The Naruto and Sasuke who fought against JJ Madara. Also, what did Naruto do again? Oh wait, he got smacked away by Limbo and he used Jiton Rasengan to seal Limbo away. Sasuke had the main role there. They both only used a fraction of their power yet Madara fled.

Rinnegan isn't what made Sasuke that powerful, if it was, then Madara wouldn't need the Juubi to be on par with Sasuke. He'd be on par with Sasuke w/ just his Rinnegan, yet he had the Juubi as well and still wasn't on par with a full power Sasuke.

Hag's chakra are based on two powers. His eyes and body. Sasuke either gains chakra from either of those two.

I highly suggest you re read the manga before we continue. Hagoromo split his chakra in half, and gave each half to Naruto and Sasuke. That's a fact. Sasuke got the Yin. That's a fact. Naruto got the Yang, that's a fact. Hagoromo's chakra, which is Hagoromo's Yin Chakra, is why Sasuke got so powerful, not because he got another eyeball. That's where he got his chakra from.

Eyes and Body are based off of Yin and Yang. Uchiha got the strong spiritual chakra while the Uzumaki got the strong physical chakra. Yin and Yang. Sasuke gets his Yin Chakra. Naruto got his Yang. Senju are Yang oriented. Uchiha are Yin oriented.

He couldnt even make PS in that form. And your telling me that he was replacing his Rikudo's chakra for Hashirama's senjutsu chakra?

He couldn't make PS because he didn't have his other eye. Completely irrelevant to the strength of his chakra.

Um, what in the world are you talking about? Replacing? Madara has both. There is no switching or replacing. Madara's Susanoo just didn't get a boost. That simple.

It seems theres a confusing on power boost between the sages that each character gain.

There seems to be a confusion on simple facts on your part.

-Nagato had both Rinnegan's chakra running through his body. No boost.

-You keep saying "Not the original wielder". Which is irrelevant since the original wielder can't bring out the full power of the Rinnegan, does that change the fact they still possess that chakra? No, otherwise Obito wouldn't have gotten it, but he did. Where is his boost? Where is Nagato's boost?

-You are using the old "Uchiha are the Sage's Eyes and Uzumaki are the Sage's body" point to try and say that Sasuke's enhanced powers are because of his Rinnegan, and that he got his new chakra from his Rinnegan, even though its been stated that Hagoromo gave Sasuke his Yin Chakra, which is the cause of his dramatic power boost, not getting the Rinnegan.

-Madara has had Rikudo's Chakra ever since he merged Indra's chakra with Asura's chakra, losing an eyeball isn't going to change that. Makes no sense. Madara had that chakra yet his Susanoo got no boost. You say that it'd get a boost if he had his Rinnegan, due to the chakra power in it, but that is also false since Obito, and especially Nagato, had the Rinnegan, yet never got any kind of boost. Ever.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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I overall concede my points. Only because there is a clear difference in everyones transfiguration with Ridouku chakra.

But whos to say that Kakashi transfiguration is superior to Madara's, that makes you believe that his PS>Madara's? We can't conclude that Kakashi's = Sasuke's. And how do you conclude that his is inbetween?

 

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If he's intangible limbo can't touch him. That's a counter. If limbo can't touch him limbo can't stop him.

But what does it have anything to do with Kamui-Raikiri?

one shotted by what? Nothing can touch him

One-shotted on the second he becomes tangible.

There is no former... u only listed a latter. U haven't explained how Madara even touches the man.

But I did do that. Kakashi becomes tangible, Limbo one-shots him. There.

yet we see limbo get damaged. Meaning they have a certain level of durability.

Only with attacks carrying the Six Paths Chakra. Without it, durability is invalid to them.

and limbo being copies of madara's share madara's abilities. Meaning it gets effected by all attacks Madara would get affected by.

But they have the ability to be immune to non-Rikudou Chakra attacks, making their body functioning better than Madara. You forgot to list that.

Sasuke never established that. Read the damn scan correctly.
"Looks like even attacks with So6p chakra works on him."

Nowhere does it say normal attacks wouldn't work.

Incorrect translation, I guess.

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...Can affect the shadow Madara too, huh.)

No they function the same as said by db. Stop making crap up.

"Not only user of this jutsu get a duplicate of himself with the same capacity, but also this duplicate will be invisible."

the only benefits limbo gives is invisibility. They have to return to the original after a set time Making them no better that water clones.

You're contradiction yourself and the databook does the same. If Limbo gains invisibility and Real Madara doesn't, despite they are both duplicate with same capacity, then it's contradicting the statement. A clone being invisible and its original isn't is not a same capacity, meaning Limbo has something special. So yes, Limbo functions differently than Madara. If you're too stupid to get something as simple as that or you don't want to listen, then I can't help you.

He dosen't have to detect it to attack madara.

But has to defend himself to do so.

stop twisting sasuke's words. I already debunked this.

You didn't doe.

it took naruto and sasuke to stop a jj madara's limbo. Since jj madara is stronger than DRSM madara. That dosen't apply here since sand stopped sm madara. Not to mention whatever getsunade stabbed gets sent to kamuiland. Thus stopping limbo from returning.

Limbo didn't get gain any enhancements from Madara becoming Jinchuuriki, as evident its attacks were tanked by Sasuke and Naruto, yet by SM Madara pushed down the Bijuu. So invalid point. Obito stated that he needs to sync Kamui with another dimension for Kamui-Raikiri to work, [

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sm madara healing without absorbing someone's chakra first? Scans please? Not to mention it's already been addressed.

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It wont be doing jack squat in kamui land.

Addressed.

knows it can be damaged by noodles and sauce. Denies it being damaged by kakashi.

Thinks Kamui-Raikiri can achieve what RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke needed to.

Kakashi phases through it or stabs it and sends it to kamuiland as per jutsu description. It's up to him. BUT seriously how does limbo stop what it can't touch?

First sentence is addressed. Third sentence is addressed.

So you can't disprove it.

That's why I was asking you for another joke. I haven't had a laugh until yesterday.

Based on kakashi's running his fist through a much more durable opponent. But hey.

Huh? Who is more durable?

it's a self inflicted wound. Why would it.

Proof self-inflicted wound > self durability?

No you didn't. If you did we wouldn't be here.

But I actually did.

I'll cut you a deal.you dont have to explain or reply to any of the above.
If you acknowledge the fact that kakashi can attack while remaining intangible (kamui raikiri) then how does limbo stop him from attacking?
If you explain to me how it does this dispite not being able to touch kakashi I'll concede.

I don't need you to concede, because I already you're stubborn and won't, but take this as my last reply and point:

When Kakashi is in close-range and activates Kamui-Raikiri, Limbo will be 360 surrounding Madara to take any damage. The moment Kakashi moves to activate it, Madara senses him coming and quickly substitues with Limbo to have it take the damage. However, the part of teleporting Limbo won't either. Limbo is stated to be a dimensional space hidden from everyone, and Kamui is stated to need to sync with a dimension in order to teleport. This won't happen until he hits Limbo.

That is all to it.

 

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What the hell has actually happened here? Are we going to deny the quantity and quality of Rikudou Chakra flowing within Madara greater than Kakashi's? Since people are so concerned about how V3 Susanoo didn't gain any durability feats, how about we list some feats from Rikudou Sasuke's V3 and Kakashi's V3 then?

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activated V3 Susanoo and used his arrows (which are powered up by Rikudou Chakra), which had only caused it to collide and explode with Gududama. The explosion was not even great to begin with. Juubito's Gududama could already take on Odama Rasengan. So we can all guess BM > Rikudou Chakra? No. But we can only conclude one thing: Rikudou Chakra only powers the offence and defence of Perfect Susanoo, hence why we saw Sasuke and Kakashi activating it instead of lesser versions.

The same case applies to Madara. His V3 Susanoo was not powered up by Rikudou Chakra, but his PS would be which we never saw, regardless.

But I love how we want durability feats from V3 Madara's Susanoo, yet no one is so concerned that Kakashi's PS has no durability or slash feats neither. Double standards are disgusting.

Madara's Rikudou Chakra > Kakashi's Rikudou Chakra leads to superior PS.

 

[Bogard]

It's the combination of Indra+Asura chakra that forms Rikudo chakra because Indra represents the yin of JJ Hagomoro's chakra when Asura represents the yang of his chakra. With time and even after the explosion of their body, their chakra remained in the world and started to migrate from person to person with Hashirama ending up with a fraction of Asura's yang chakra when Madara ended up with a fraction of Indra's yin chakra. When Madara's transmigration was close to an end, Madara decided to mix a portion of the portion of Asura's chakra that Hashirama possessed, combination that gave birth to the so called Rikudo chakra and after some time awakening the Rinnegan.

But it's not like he stole a great part of the chakra in question. Even with the small boost, Hashirama's chakra was still > Madara's+portion of his own chakra. BM Naruto's chakra however is above Hashirama's chakra(a portion of his chakra was already comparable) and this BM Naruto(with yang Kurama) got a yin portion from Minato to boot, increasing it to higher levels, so logically speaking the boost of BM Naruto's chakra should then be superior to the small boost Madara received by aquiring a portion of Hashirama's

 

[Bronze]

It's been specifically stated Rikudou's Chakra was awakened when the Rinnegan bloomed within Madara, and according to the databook, it happened 60 years after Madara had already took and implanted Hashirama's genetics with his own. So, why did it exactly take so many years to finally bloom the Six Paths Chakra instead of straight away, if merging Indra's & Ashura's Chakra together is all what it takes?

Also, Madara was able to last as long as Hashirama did during their last battle. If their Chakra was not already comparable in quantity and quality during that time, Madara would not be able to last as long as Hashirama.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But what does it have anything to do with Kamui-Raikiri?

that'd what I'm asking you. You've continously said limbo stops kamui raikiri yet. Haven't proven it. Saying bs like the above.

One-shotted on the second he becomes tangible.

read the db info. He never becomes tangible during the striking.

But I did do that. Kakashi becomes tangible, Limbo one-shots him. There.

Again. You didn't say that.

"If he becomes intangible he gets one-shotted instantly. If the former, then it goes to what I said."

There's no former here.

Only with attacks carrying the Six Paths Chakra. Without it, durability is invalid to them.

Prove this. I'll wait. Cuz until sasuke says "Only sosp attacks work" you're making shit up.

But they have the ability to be immune to non-Rikudou Chakra attacks, making their body functioning better than Madara. You forgot to list that.

the only reason they would be immune is because madara the person they are exact copies of is immune. When madara isn't immune since he isn't a juubi jin they wouldn't be immune since they aren't copies of juubi jins.

Incorrect translation, I guess.

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No I've was using the translations you brought to the table. In neither translation does sasuke say the word "only" so stop claiming that he did. I.e. making shit up.

You're contradiction yourself and the databook does the same. If Limbo gains invisibility and Real Madara doesn't, despite they are both duplicate with same capacity, then it's contradicting the statement.

ugh. You're reading comprehension is so limited. ... if the copies exist on a plane we can't see relative to us the copies are invisible. The reason we can see madara is because he exists on this plane. The reason we can't see see limbo is becase they don't exist on this plane. Them being "invisible" isn't a result of who they are copies of but a result of the plane in which they exist in. If the real madara exists in limbo plane as well he'd also be invisible. No contradictions. It's explained in the very db you brought up.

A clone being invisible and its original isn't is not a same capacity, meaning Limbo has something special.

it's only invisible do to its location.

So yes, Limbo functions differently than Madara. If you're too stupid to get something as simple as that or you don't want to listen, then I can't help you.

I can't help you when you contradict the db.

But has to defend himself to do so.

No him using intangibility is apart of the attack.

You didn't doe.

I did. Sasuke never said.... matter of fact I'm not repeating myself. Read above.

Limbo didn't get gain any enhancements from Madara becoming Jinchuuriki

yes it does their exact clones of him so when he powers up they power up. Do you not know how clones work? Did you think they always looked like jj madara when madara was sm? Its like saying bm naruto's clones are the same as base naruto's clones.

as evident its attacks were tanked by Sasuke and Naruto,yet by SM Madara pushed down the Bijuu.

Sasuke never tanked an attack from limbo and rikudo naruto no scratch that even Bm naruto is stronger than a biju.

So invalid point. Obito stated that he needs to sync Kamui with another dimension for Kamui-Raikiri to work,

When the fck did he say that? He was dead before Kakshi even used that technique.

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obito didn't say jack shit bout kamui raikiri you fcking liar.

Limbo is a clone from another dimension, [

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false. Obito's needed to sync in order to teleport through her dimensions. It says nothing about putting things in his own.

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love how you cut off the damn scan. He absorbed hashirama's healing abilities. Which proves me right.

Addressed.

You wish.

Thinks Kamui-Raikiri can achieve what RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke needed to.

All 3 have rikudo chakra. Lmao. Bruh. ..

First sentence is addressed. Third sentence is addressed.

address neither.

That's why I was asking you for another joke. I haven't had a laugh until yesterday.

So you can't disprove it. No scans no alternative explanation. Nothing.

Huh? Who is more durable?

short term memory much? Reread the thread it's still there.

Proof self-inflicted wound > self durability?

Hashirama trying to kill himself with a kunai? Ay cutting his arm off with a weaker tech than chidori? Naruto stabbing himself with pains rods despite breaking them easily?

But I actually did.

No you didn't. You make shit up on 3 separate accounts.

First you claimed limbo isn't affected by normal attacks without proof by twisting sasuke's analysis of a different opponent.
Then you claimed that limbo aren't exact copies of the original despite db saying they are.
and last you claimed that obito set the limits for kakashi's attack.

NONE OF THE 3 THINGS ABOVE HAPPENED.

I don't need you to concede, because I already you're stubborn and won't, but take this as my last reply and point:

Naw I'm done after this I can't debate with ppl who don't even grasp the techniques their debating with.

When Kakashi is in close-range and activates Kamui-Raikiri, Limbo will be 360 surrounding Madara to take any damage.

we addressed this already. Kakashi will pass through limbo.

The moment Kakashi moves to activate it, Madara senses him coming and quickly substitues with Limbo to have it take the damage.

and it gets dropped of in kamuiland.

However, the part of teleporting Limbo won't either. Limbo is stated to be a dimensional space hidden from everyone, and Kamui is stated to need to sync with a dimension in order to teleport.

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This won't happen until he hits Limbo.

That is all to it.

I can't.

 

[KidGamer65]

I overall concede my points. Only because there is a clear difference in everyones transfiguration with Ridouku chakra.

But whos to say that Kakashi transfiguration is superior to Madara's, that makes you believe that his PS>Madara's? We can't conclude that Kakashi's = Sasuke's. And how do you conclude that his is inbetween?

Kakashi's actually made his jutsu stronger, as seen when his Sharingan was stated to be more powerful, where he used Kamui Shuriken with PS, (Which he shouldn't even have, but that is due to Rikudo's Chakra) it made his Raikiri stronger, and it came from a Juubi's Jinchuuriki. Madara to be exact.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kakashi's actually made his jutsu stronger, as seen when his Sharingan was stated to be more powerful, where he used Kamui Shuriken with PS, (Which he shouldn't even have, but that is due to Rikudo's Chakra) it made his Raikiri stronger, and it came from a Juubi's Jinchuuriki. Madara to be exact.

Right. But naturally the MS Sharingan didn't have the power to even use PS itself. Whos to say that Rikudo chakra made it use PS to the point that it can at least be = regular PS level?

At a mathematical point.

EMS Sasuke (naturally has PS Susanoo no boost) + Rikudo's Yin = Super PS
MS Kakashi (unnatural use of PS, none at all) + Rikudo's reserves = ?
Madara (natural PS) + no significant boost + Reningan? = ??

 

[Bronze]

Madara (natural PS) + no significant boost + Reningan? = ??

You list Sasuke and Kakashi with Rikudou boost, but not Madara...?

 

[Apêx1]

Madara's CT has potential to end. If it doesn't, then Kakashi stomps.

 

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You list Sasuke and Kakashi with Rikudou boost, but not Madara...?

What they're saying is that the boost is negligent for Madara. Sasuke got exactly half of Rikudou's chakra when he received the Yin. Kakashi got Rikudou chakra from someone who was previously a Juubi Jin. The amount of Rikudou chakra that Madara has when he awakened the Rin'negan doesn't compare to the two former whom got it from a Juubi Jin each.

 

[Bronze]

What they're saying is that the boost is negligent for Madara. Sasuke got exactly half of Rikudou's chakra when he received the Yin. Kakashi got Rikudou chakra from someone who was previously a Juubi Jin. The amount of Rikudou chakra that Madara has when he awakened the Rin'negan doesn't compare to the two former whom got it from a Juubi Jin each.

And why wouldn't it be compared to their boost? Indra's Chakra and Ashura's Chakra both make up Hagoromo's. Also, the Chakra Kakashi got from Jin Madara was tiny.