DRSM Madara vs DMS Kakashi

[BenjerminGaye]

With EMS Madara stayed dead for days , Sage chakra enhanced Rinnengan he doin 25 to life lol

Delayed activation. Try again

 

[Brother Numpsay]

SkyFall said it all. Madara's Complete Susanoo was getting manhandled, yet a Kyuubi Chakra Boost put Sasuke's Complete Susanoo in a place where it could physically compete with the Kurama Avatar.

So either Madara got no boost like Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke did, or Kyuubi Chakra Boost>>>>Rikudo Boost. I'm sure we all know which one is true.

So Kakashi stomps.

Then lets not factor Hashirama's senjutsu not helping out here but factor the full rennigan making his chakra more potent.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then lets not factor Hashirama's senjutsu not helping out here but factor the full rennigan making his chakra more potent.

Full Rinnegan isn't going to do anymore for him than it did for the likes of Nagato, and Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra>Hashirama's Senjutsu chakra. Rikudo Senjutsu Boost>Rinnegan boost, if it even grants a boost.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Full Rinnegan isn't going to do anymore for him than it did for the likes of Nagato, and Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra>Hashirama's Senjutsu chakra. Rikudo Senjutsu Boost>Rinnegan boost, if it even grants a boost.

Havent it always been applied that Sage eyes = Sage body?

Why would Madara even bother getting his last eye to face off Naruto and Sasuke if it even made a difference?

 

[KidGamer65]

Havent it always been applied that Sage eyes = Sage body?

Sage's Eyes=Sage's body doesn't mean that chakra Madara gets from awakening the Rinnegan equals the chakra Rikudo Senjutsu grants when it comes to giving a boost. Not to mention if I used this logic, Sasuke and Madara would get the same boost, even though manga shows that Sasuke got a far superior boost.

Why would Madara even bother getting his last eye to face off Naruto and Sasuke if it even made a difference?

Both eyes=True power. No one ever said it made no difference, it just isn't going to make Susanoo stronger, by much if at all. Both eyes let him use CT. Both eyes gave him more Limbo clones. Don't know what else he could have shown us since Kishi cut his time short, but you get the point.

 

[EKSITE]

Delayed activation. Try again

Thats the point of izanagi erase ,re write delayed it still was activated at a point what would be the point of using izanagi 2 to 10 second activated after?

 

[Xlad]

Kakashi shits on Madara.

 

[ARGUS]

It still doesn't make sense why madara won't get Rikudo boost when getting the rinnegan itself is a result of madara having rikudos chakra
Nagato isn't the right example when he clearly never awakened the rinnegan nor did he ever have Rikudo chakra

And the susanoo of madara that got smacked around was when madara didn't even have any eyes, so only senjutsu was boosting it

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Sage's Eyes=Sage's body doesn't mean that chakra Madara gets from awakening the Rinnegan equals the chakra Rikudo Senjutsu grants when it comes to giving a boost. Not to mention if I used this logic, Sasuke and Madara would get the same boost, even though manga shows that Sasuke got a far superior boost.



Both eyes=True power. No one ever said it made no difference, it just isn't going to make Susanoo stronger, by much if at all. Both eyes let him use CT. Both eyes gave him more Limbo clones. Don't know what else he could have shown us since Kishi cut his time short, but you get the point.

Base on your example having his 2nd eye, Madara was able to get more power from a original tech to something extra. If we look at it that way the same can be applied for his PS gaining more power from it. Same way you would logically make your statement that Kakashi's PS > because of Rikudo Chakra can do to someone. You even said it yourself that each character that had Rikudo chakra had different boost. I fail to see why you made the logical conclusion that Sasuke's boost>Kakashi>Madara

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Thats the point of izanagi erase ,re write delayed it still was activated at a point what would be the point of using izanagi 2 to 10 second activated after?

You don't get it.

During the time izanagi is active anything can be erased and rewritten. Madara didn't activate izanagi upon death (what you're claiming) he activated it after death. (What really happened). Thus it doesn't last days like you said it does. Now I'll ask again. How long does madara's izanagi last.

 

[KidGamer65]

It still doesn't make sense why madara won't get Rikudo boost when getting the rinnegan itself is a result of madara having rikudos chakra

Naruto and Sasuke got their power from Hagoromo himself, in large quantities. Kakashi got his power from Obito, who in turn got his power from JJ Madara, which was just a portion, but JJ Madara Rikudo Senjutsu chakra>>>>Rikudo Chakra Madara got from merging Indra and Asura's chakra.

Nagato isn't the right example when he clearly never awakened the rinnegan nor did he ever have Rikudo chakra

Then why does Madara not having his Rinnegan eyes make any difference? You can't have it both ways. Either Rinnegan grants the boost, or the boost comes from the chakra. It's pretty clear which one it should be coming from, but Madara got no boost. Ever.

And the susanoo of madara that got smacked around was when madara didn't even have any eyes, so only senjutsu was boosting it

Irrelevant. Getting the chakra granted him Rinnegan, Rinnegan isn't what gave him the chakra, so he'd still have the chakra inside his body, thus it should be boosting his Susanoo's power, but it wasn't.

Base on your example having his 2nd eye, Madara was able to get more power from a original tech to something extra. If we look at it that way the same can be applied for his PS gaining more power from it.

Limbo only increased in numbers not in strength. No reason why PS would increase in strength either.

Same way you would logically make your statement that Kakashi's PS > because of Rikudo Chakra can do to someone. You even said it yourself that each character that had Rikudo chakra had different boost. I fail to see why you made the logical conclusion that Sasuke's boost>Kakashi>Madara

Except Madara had no boost. Unless you think a Rikudo Chakra amped Complete Susanoo would get fodderized by a Kyuubi Chakra Cloak enhanced Susanoo, it's clear that Madara got no boost. Madara had Rikudo's Chakra, yet his Susanoo was slapped into the ground by BM Naruto. Sasuke got Naruto and Kurama's chakra, and his Susanoo got strong enough to physically match the Avatar. The same Avatar that slapped Madara's Susanoo around, except that this one is enhanced by Senjutsu.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Madara had Rikudo's Chakra, yet his Susanoo

Proof? Since when no eye Madara had Rikudo chakra?

 

[RedShadow]

DMS Kakashi wins. Madara can't counter Kamui Shurikens.

And Kakashi can counter Limbo?

 

[KidGamer65]

Proof? Since when no eye Madara had Rikudo chakra?

Let's start with this. Why would the presence of Madara's eyes dictate whether or not he has the chakra? He got the chakra first. Rinnegan is a result of getting that chakra. Why would taking away the result of the chakra take away the chakra too? Makes no sense. Madara's Rinnegan didn't give him that chakra. He got the Rinnegan from that chakra.

If you want to assert that the eyes themselves contain the chakra, then I'll refer you to Nagato and Obito, who both had the Rinnegan yet received no boost. Ever. Either way, Madara doesn't have a boost even remotely comparable to the likes of Kakashi, let alone Sasuke.

 

[EKSITE]

You don't get it.

During the time izanagi is active anything can be erased and rewritten. Madara didn't activate izanagi upon death (what you're claiming) he activated it after death. (What really happened). Thus it doesn't last days like you said it does. Now I'll ask again. How long does madara's izanagi last.

He began the process of izanagi during when he was alive still bein active till death not after izanagi is a some what a time/delay techinque obito stated how long one can use izanagi meaning it continous

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Wouldnt that mean it was activated for days?

 

[RedShadow]

Let's start with this. Why would the presence of Madara's eyes dictate whether or not he has the chakra? He got the chakra first. Rinnegan is a result of getting that chakra. Why would taking away the result of the chakra take away the chakra too? Makes no sense. Madara's Rinnegan didn't give him that chakra. He got the Rinnegan from that chakra.

If you want to assert that the eyes themselves contain the chakra, then I'll refer you to Nagato and Obito, who both had the Rinnegan yet received no boost. Ever. Either way, Madara doesn't have a boost even remotely comparable to the likes of Kakashi, let alone Sasuke.

Does Obito's Hax Kamui count as a boost? Because he didn't die with the help of Kamui, also no other Uchiha had eyes to use Kamui

 

[KidGamer65]

Does Obito's Hax Kamui count as a boost? Because he didn't die with the help of Kamui, also no other Uchiha had eyes to use Kamui

1. Not related to what I'm talking about.

2. Nope.

 

[RedShadow]

1. Not related to what I'm talking about.

2. Nope.

The Hell?

Let's start with this. Why would the presence of Madara's eyes dictate whether or not he has the chakra? He got the chakra first. Rinnegan is a result of getting that chakra. Why would taking away the result of the chakra take away the chakra too? Makes no sense. Madara's Rinnegan didn't give him that chakra. He got the Rinnegan from that chakra.

If you want to assert that the eyes themselves contain the chakra, then I'll refer you to Nagato and Obito, who both had the Rinnegan yet received no boost. Ever. Either way, Madara doesn't have a boost even remotely comparable to the likes of Kakashi, let alone Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Hell?

Please tell me how Obito's Kamui, the same Kamui he's had for 16yrs now is related to me talking about him and a boost from the Rinnegan.

 

[RedShadow]

Please tell me how Obito's Kamui, the same Kamui he's had for 16yrs now is related to me talking about him and a boost from the Rinnegan.

I asked if it counted as a boost -_-