Triple rinnegan Madara vs Toneri

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agree with everything except bold part, especially that you didn't specify which version of JJ Madara.

Anyway I would put Three eyed JJ Madara on par with JJ Hagoromo, but JJ DRG Madara would be still weaker, but the gap is really small.

Although I preffer to see JJ Hagoromo as supperior, due to Naruto && Sasuke performance against JJ Madara.

You contradict yourself by first saying JJ Madara is on par with JJ Hagoromo, and then he would still be weaker. And Double Rinnegan JJ Madara is equal to Hagoromo by what I referred.
 
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If the spoiler that he freaking cuts the moon in half is correct, he completely craps on Madara! The width of the moon is about the width of a continent! If Toneri can do this, he's a continent buster! For those saying "Toneri=Haruma while Madara=JJ Hagoromo" that's incorrect. Toneri steals Naruto's rikkudo mode, which is stated to be>=juubi jins in senjutsu. So, by that logic, Toneri's automatically stronger.
 

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If the spoiler that he freaking cuts the moon in half is correct, he completely craps on Madara! The width of the moon is about the width of a continent! If Toneri can do this, he's a continent buster! For those saying "Toneri=Haruma while Madara=JJ Hagoromo" that's incorrect. Toneri steals Naruto's rikkudo mode, which is stated to be>=juubi jins in senjutsu. So, by that logic, Toneri's automatically stronger.

Naruto's Senjutsu is not better than Juubi Jin's. If anything it's less.
 

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Naruto's Senjutsu is not better than Juubi Jin's. If anything it's less.

It's already stated to be superior. Read the data book translation. It explicitly states that it surpasses Madara's which is basically surpassing all Juubi Jins.
 

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It's already stated to be superior. Read the data book translation. It explicitly states that it surpasses Madara's which is basically surpassing all Juubi Jins.

I don't believe it, Kishi is making up BS. Madara has greater Yang release and Senjutsu than Naruto. If he has greater Yin than Sasuke, then by transitive properties, he also has greater Senjutsu than Naruto. Kishimoto is being a hypocrite by making a Paradox

Databook says otherwise.

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I don't believe it, Kishi is making up BS. Madara has greater Yang release and Senjutsu than Naruto. If he has greater Yin than Sasuke, then by transitive properties, he also has greater Senjutsu than Naruto. Kishimoto is being a hypocrite by making a Paradox



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So no facts? Good. Concession accepted.
 

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I don't believe it, Kishi is making up BS. Madara has greater Yang release and Senjutsu than Naruto. If he has greater Yin than Sasuke, then by transitive properties, he also has greater Senjutsu than Naruto. Kishimoto is being a hypocrite by making a Paradox



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So you put your own hype above Kishi's. Nice. The only way your opinion could even resemble a logical one is if there were actually feats showing Madara to have better senjutsu, but by feats, it's obvious that Madara's senjutsu is inferior.
 

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So you put your own hype above Kishi's. Nice. The only way your opinion could even resemble a logical one is if there were actually feats showing Madara to have better senjutsu, but by feats, it's obvious that Madara's senjutsu is inferior.

Madara has all the Jins and Senjutsu, in the end he has much stronger senjutsu than Naruto. Kishi just put BS in the data books to appease fans. But there's no way it's true looking at mangafacts

So no facts? Good. Concession accepted.

Not sure what you're talking about, I used facts.
 

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Toneri lost to Naruto. Madara obviosly wins here.
 

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Madara has all the Jins and Senjutsu, in the end he has much stronger senjutsu than Naruto. Kishi just put BS in the data books to appease fans. But there's no way it's true looking at mangafacts


1 - Quantity /=/ quality (Madara forcibly uses the Shinju's chakra, while Naruto cooperates with the Bijuus. Just like Sasuke tried, Madara uses large portions of chakra to fight againts Naruto's "small", but effective portions), not to mention that even if more Bijuus equal to a better Senjutsu, Naruto has half of Hagoromo's chakra (while Madara has a portion so small that it doesn't enhance in the slightest his justus, so it's way smaller than the one DMS Kakashi has and irrelevant) which is the main factor since more Rikudou chakra = better Rikudou Senjutsu, since it's obtained by combining Rikudou chakra, Nature chakra and Bijuu chakra.

Also feats: Rikudou Senjutsu Naruto, without his chakra cloak, effortlessly overpowered JJ Madara in CQC and, with the cloak activated, was able to blitz Kaguya herself (who reacted to Amenotejikara, the same jutsu Madara repeteadly failed to react to).

To conclude this; Naruto is a Sage, Madara isn't. The latter obviously doesn't hold the same mastery on Senjutsu as Naruto does.

Also you can't simply state "databook puts that databook puts this" i could say the same for all of Madara's feats, this leads to nothing and doesn't have nothing to do with debates.
 

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@the dumb ppl, infinite tsukuyomi doesn't need the moon to be activated, the moon is just used for the genjutsu to reach to every being in the world. madara wins
 

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Toneri is descendent of Hamura, so his power is devolved from Hamura's power. Hamura was equal to Pre-Jin Hagoromo, and Jin Madara is equal to Jin Hagoromo. So there is the clear gap in power. The spoilers say so? Assuming they are true, it's been stated Juubi's Jinchuuriki can destroy the planet via Sword of Nunoboko.

Either way, Madara wins with minimum difficulty. He has Limbo that Toneri has no counter to, the gap in power the Juubi and Rinnegan can offer to Madara, and he has no counter to the Infinite Tsukuyomi either.

Wow.... I'd have said Toneri, but I feel this explanation makes a lot of sense. Gj MR
 
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