[Spoilers] So the Moon falling to the Earth is canon?
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So you're telling me that apart all the shit that happened in the War arc, with Kaguya and the Ootsutski being introduce to the main storyline is filler to you??? You're being logically stupid if you think this movie doesn't tie in to the manga considering the fact that this series has too much loose ending and plotholes. We didn't learn shit about the Hyuga& Ootsutski origin, Kaguya backstory, especially Hamura.
If you think none of the Ootsutski are important to the manga, then you're dead wrong!! Kaguya is the progenitor of the Naruto Verse which means that everything regarding to the Ootsutski is the most essential and predominant for the majority of this series. Just because an author introduce new characters and expanding upon the verse doesn't mean it's filler especially the fact that Toneri is related to Hamura and Kaguya is more enough to be relevant in the manga. This movie in fact takes place between 699-700, so it's definitely going to fill in the gap to chapter 700 with all this buildup in the movie.
As I last stated before, this movie is definately relavent to the manga because it will and hopefully make up all this loose ending, which we will learn more about the Ootsutski and surprisingly the spoiler revealed the fact that Toneri and Hinata is the descendant of Hamura, Hyuga and Ootsutski are relatable due to the royal bloodline and come from another world in other word, "Space Aliens" and so much more about Hamura guarding the moon and as such. That's a great load amount of information that demands the answer in the manga.
Now you're going to attempt to say it's "asspull" but guess what, the Hyuga have been hinted and hyped up to be this strongest and oldest clan ever since Part 1, and now iit comes to the term that it's truly the case from the look of the movie, Toneri kidnapping Hanabi and Hinata means that it's finally fulfilling the plot about the Hyuga incident. We will learn more about the secret of the Byakugan, which has to do with the Moon crashing the earth?
To pull in a nutshell, since Hinata is relatable to the Ootsuski bloodline that means Hinata is definately fundamental not just the movie but the overall series as well and that's why Romance is important in the movie, so let me say this clear, it's relavent whether you like it or not.
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The fact that both Kushina (Uzumaki Bloodline, related to Kaguya) and Hinata (Hyuuga Bloodline, related to Kaguya) were kidnapped at least once (in the manga) by Kumogakure (birth land of two of the most powerful ninjas around the world which were known to be related to the Sage of Six Paths: Ginkaku and Kinkaku) is enough proof to tell that the movie is relevant to the general plot inside the manga.
Hinata's kidnapping (Chapter 102)
Kushina's kidnapping (Chaptre 498)
Ginkaku and Kinkaku were distant related to the Sage of Six Paths (Chapter 529)
So I think you make sense with these paragraphs, sir. It would be very wrong to treat this movie as a filler, when there is plenty of space inside the manga to enstablish the importance of the Hyuuga Bloodline inside the Narutoverse.
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Yes exactly, there're strong parallelism between the 2 kunoichi enough to make this movie canon.
No of course I'm not saying Kaguya and her bloodline are filler, I'm saying Toneri is a filler character. Why was Toneri not introduced in the manga? Because he has no relevance, he's not a canon character. You can't tell me the lord and ruler of the Ootsutski clan and her sons come and go in the manga then some random underling of their clan pops up to play his cards? No its not in the manga storyline and is not canon. All of their descendants ARE DEAD. There is no room in the manga plot to introduce more Ootsutski because they are all dead and gone the bloodline is spread among the populace.
Introducing new characters, taking place between 2 particular chapters and introducing seemingly manga-relavent material is common among movies. This movie might have story from Hamura that could potentially be considered canon but there is no way in hell you'll convince me Toneri and the moon falling to the Earth is canon, its a filler plotline. You might think that new characters can be introduced in a movie and considered canon, but they cannot. The only characters that are canon are physically shown in the manga at one point or another.
Again, the movie might contain information that could be considered canon about Hamura but that information doesn't even have any relevance to the manga. You might think there were loose ends regarding Hamura but in actuality he had no importance in the manga. Every canon relevant discovery was covered in the manga and its all tied up in a tight bow. Everything this movie has to tell us is essentially a side story that might give you more insight but can not be considered truly canon, just like how filler anime episodes provide us extra information.
You are trying way too hard OP. Sorry, but the movie is canon. You should just deal with it and move on...
I suspect you are trolling at this point though considering the amount of info we had on the movie and the confirmation by the man itself that the movie is canon...oops, sorry, I meant "linked to the manga".
I suspect you are trolling at this point though considering the amount of info we had on the movie and the confirmation by the man itself that the movie is canon...oops, sorry, I meant "linked to the manga".
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I already know this movie is canon and that Kishi is involved. Anybody who thinks otherwise needs to reevaluate all of the plot holes in the series that Kishi left open, and why he would do that with no intention on patching them up. Even if you doubt his ability as a mangaka, you shouldn't doubt it to the extent to you think that he would pair up Choji and Karui, then not explain it.
Cmon son. Not even arguing w/ anybody who thinks otherwise because it's common sense.
Cmon son. Not even arguing w/ anybody who thinks otherwise because it's common sense.
I don't think the movie covers any couple other than NaruHina, unless I'm mistaken.
Just because of the fact you accused me of trolling I wil drop the issue lol. I just can't accept the villian and plot line as canon is all. Not denying NaruHina is canon or anything, just don't think the movie as a whole is canon.
I will admit that the villain may seem fillerish and to some extent, this may be true but we can't deny that he isn't linked to the manga. He is a descendant of hamura.
Wether you like it or not though, the movie is canon. Now, if you want to keep telling yourself that it isn't, then go on. It's your choice afterall. Just remember that it's kishi that decides if something regarding his work is canon or not, not us.
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Please stop with your nonesense, are you telling me it's better to leave out Hamura descendant and have all this multiple plotholes without learning anything that the plot demands?? No you're not going anywhere with this if you truly believe it's necessary to have things unexplained in the manga event, This new introduction to the storyline regarding the moon have been long foreshadowed since Tobi revealed his plain regarding the moon eye plan and even more when Kaguya introduce to the story which had been she's related to the moon and heavenly implied that Kaguya species comes from another world. Everything about the moon is relevant at this point.
I told you that anyone that is directly linked to the Ootsutski is relavant as such Toneri being the descendant of Hamura is totally a huge revelation for this series, so it's canon whether he never makes it to the manga or not, you're just too delusional claiming it's noncanon when in the end of the day, Kishi said so himself multiple times that it's Canon.
The manga does Not have enough room?? WTF are you smoking?? the manga disagrees with you because it was rushed with further bringing more question to the table plus we had no idea how it happens between chapter 699-700. Lastly and most importantly, this Movie defiantly makes sense to be canon so your argument is invalid.
So let me ask you something, how does Hamura, the sage sibling who helped sealing Kaguya and one of the most powerful being in existence is not important to the manga??
Lastly in the Bold, your arrogance blind you more asserting that the ootsutski is extinct, the manga never mention as such, you can believe all you want with your fan fanatic if you honestly believe it's non canon. I don't blame Kishi for your lack of comprehension, but it's canon and that is fact.
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First of all, calm down buddy. Second, if you're asking if I'm satisfied with how the manga ended without the addition of the movie, then yes I am. Hamura's story is not essential to the plot, if you ask me.
Btw, I already posted that I'm conceding the point as I can't prove its non canon and I don't want people to think I'm trolling when that is the last thing I want to be accused of. We don't need to know what happened between 699 and 700 as nothing manga relevant happened, hence why the manga only covered what it did.
And yes the Ootsutski ARE extinct. The characters we saw were the only relevant ones meaning all others are dead. The only trace that remains of the bloodline is that which is contained in the modern clans like the Hyuga and Uchiha. I'm not gonna argue with a hot head that can't contain himself. As I noted in the OP, I was hoping people would handle this post maturely, which you are not.
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Ha are you asserting that between 2 particular chapter is nonimportant to the storyline?? Your post makes you look like an idiot, claiming that "We" don't find this necessary, when actuality most people find it's essential to the story.
Your statement is nothing but subjective, first of all you said the Ootsutski are relevant but now you contradicted and saying it's non important but whatever if that's how you roll then you can consider this as Non-canon but the fact remain is it's canon regardless, nothing you can do about it since you seem so eager about it.
Also with that bold is most likely possible, but the manga never confirms anything, so in that regard what you're saying is nothing but speculation.
Let me say this clear, if you're either being retardly stupid or troll, then people won't take you seriously and right now you're just being idiot.
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Whoa whoa... both of you, slow down a bit. I don't think that starting an "ad hominem war" will help with the intelligent development of OP.
Floydical, my brother... I don't think that I particulary didn't handle my answers in a mature way. I answered honestly about the Last movie... I fully believe that it is relevant for the plot.
I'll quote myself so you can check out the sources supporting my logic.
If you analyze the sequence of questions, Toneri Ootsutsuki automatically takes importance. Furthermore, it is known that Toneri kidnaps both Hinata and Hanabi. If you take in consideration the first part of my previous analysis, everything connects flawlessly.
...it is the second time in the manga that a Hyuuga is being kidnapped. And the motive must be linked to the fact that the Mazou dissappeared from the moon (chakra had to be used for this purpose, and only a Rinnegan wielder could do this: Madara). Toneri came from the heavens to render divine punishment for the evil use of chakra.
Of course, this might sound crazy... but why should this be crazy at all? It's manga fact after all, doesn't it?
[video=youtube;q94Nr363aWQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q94Nr363aWQ[/video]
Toneri Ootsutsuki had to take place soon or later. The purpose of the Ootsutsuki guarding the moon was lost from the moment when Madara summoned the Mazou. Cause and effect.
I hope my logic was understood.
Edit: Corrected something. Hinata's first kidnappening wasn't executed by Ginkaku or Kinkaku. But still, it happened by a village that had correlation to these relatives to the Sage.
Floydical, my brother... I don't think that I particulary didn't handle my answers in a mature way. I answered honestly about the Last movie... I fully believe that it is relevant for the plot.
I'll quote myself so you can check out the sources supporting my logic.
I don't believe that information was introduced in the manga to be simply "discarded". I'm fully aware these were plot devices put to extend the content introduced by the manga.
Why did Hamura and his descendants go to the moon? To guard the Mazou, yes? If that's the case, what would happen if the Mazou dissappeared from the moon? How could this happen? Summoning, yes? If that's the case, how should the Ootsutsuki clan react towards this event?
If you analyze the sequence of questions, Toneri Ootsutsuki automatically takes importance. Furthermore, it is known that Toneri kidnaps both Hinata and Hanabi. If you take in consideration the first part of my previous analysis, everything connects flawlessly.
...it is the second time in the manga that a Hyuuga is being kidnapped. And the motive must be linked to the fact that the Mazou dissappeared from the moon (chakra had to be used for this purpose, and only a Rinnegan wielder could do this: Madara). Toneri came from the heavens to render divine punishment for the evil use of chakra.
Of course, this might sound crazy... but why should this be crazy at all? It's manga fact after all, doesn't it?
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[video=youtube;q94Nr363aWQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q94Nr363aWQ[/video]
Toneri Ootsutsuki had to take place soon or later. The purpose of the Ootsutsuki guarding the moon was lost from the moment when Madara summoned the Mazou. Cause and effect.
I hope my logic was understood.
Edit: Corrected something. Hinata's first kidnappening wasn't executed by Ginkaku or Kinkaku. But still, it happened by a village that had correlation to these relatives to the Sage.
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I'm saying the manga can be treated as an entity apart from any movie and I don't consider a movie that takes place between two chapters essential to the manga's story just for that reason. I'm also saying that I only consider the Ootsutsuki from the manga as canon and I don't find this new villain to have any manga relevance as he was not part of the original story.
Indeed everything I'm stating is subjective and I'm apparently in the extreme minority on this subject. My only point to this thread is to convince people to QUESTION whether the movie is canon or not considering all the evidence I've presented. You continue to prove your immaturity by calling me an idiot. You're free to leave my thread at any time if it upsets you.
First of all, I obviously wasn't referring to you when I mentioned maturity. Second, I found your points logical but I can't simply agree that a history of kidnappings (note 2 points on a graph hardly warrant a trend but I'll give it to you) makes a similar situation in a movie canon by default. How can you say this new villain automatically takes importance in regard to guarding the Moon when he was never introduced as a player in the manga?
The way the trailer talks about 'punishing them for misusing power' sounds awfully familiar.... does Dragon Ball GT ring a bell? The whole plot of DBGT was negative energy having been built up in the dragon balls over dozens of wishes that are only to be used every 1000 years. The resulting creatures that spawned from that negative energy became the new villains. A new villain punishing the whole human race for stealing the mazou from the moon and misusing it sounds like the same plot line. Was Dragon Ball GT canon? You tell me.
Not only that, but why would he not seek revenge and attack right after Madara stole the Mazou? Madara stole it over 16 years before the start of the manga which means this new villain waited 18 years before seeking vengeance. Was he living under a rock this whole time? Well maybe it took him 18 years to travel from the Moon to Earth is the answer -_- (don't mean to condescend, just trying to squeeze in a joke).
I conceded because someone started telling me I was an idiot for thinking the way I do and that my ideas are stupid. I even mention in the OP that I was afraid this thread might be handled immaturely. As I stated earlier in this post, the purpose of this thread is to ask you to QUESTION whether or not the movie is canon and not just accept it as fact.
In regard to being convinced its canon, no I have not. Many points made on this thread I even referenced in the OP saying I wouldn't be convinced by someone telling me 'Kishi said it was canon'. Hiru had some nice points but I simply didn't see it his way. AaaaNinja made a great point about how this movie, being different from all the others, actually has results that had an affect on the manga. That being it establishes the NaruHina pairing. But am I therefore convinced that Toneri is canon? No. Not believing Toneri and the falling of the moon is canon means I don't believe the movie as a whole is canon.
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