[Spoilers] So the Moon falling to the Earth is canon?

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First of all, I obviously wasn't referring to you when I mentioned maturity. Second, I found your points logical but I can't simply agree that a history of kidnappings (note 2 points on a graph hardly warrant a trend but I'll give it to you) makes a similar situation in a movie canon by default. How can you say this new villain automatically takes importance in regard to guarding the Moon when he was never introduced as a player in the manga?

The way the trailer talks about 'punishing them for misusing power' sounds awfully familiar.... does Dragon Ball GT ring a bell? The whole plot of DBGT was negative energy having been built up in the dragon balls over dozens of wishes that are only to be used every 1000 years. The resulting creatures that spawned from that negative energy became the new villains. A new villain punishing the whole human race for stealing the mazou from the moon and misusing it sounds like the same plot line. Was Dragon Ball GT canon? You tell me.

Not only that, but why would he not seek revenge and attack right after Madara stole the Mazou? Madara stole it over 16 years before the start of the manga which means this new villain waited 18 years before seeking vengeance. Was he living under a rock this whole time? Well maybe it took him 18 years to travel from the Moon to Earth is the answer -_- (don't mean to condescend, just trying to squeeze in a joke).
First of all, I obviously wasn't referring to you when I mentioned maturity. Second, I found your points logical but I can't simply agree that a history of kidnappings (note 2 points on a graph hardly warrant a trend but I'll give it to you) makes a similar situation in a movie canon by default. How can you say this new villain automatically takes importance in regard to guarding the Moon when he was never introduced as a player in the manga?
First of all, thanks, I thought you generalized when spoke about "people".

Second... thanks about it. I'm not implying that there is a direct relationship between the kidnappers. But, in the other hand, I'm implying that those who have the blood of the six paths (in their veins or in their subordinates) somehow tends to search for the Hyuuga to fulfill a bigger plan.

It's no surprise, since Ginkaku and Kinkaku were ninjas in Kumogakure, and right after they became Rogue Ninja, Kumogakure start searching another candidate with blood of the Sage of Six Paths (Kushina Uzumaki).

And after that, they send ninjas to search for someone with the blood of the brother of the Sage of Six Paths (Hinata Hyuuga).

And now in the movie, story repeats.

I can't just call it coincidence, can I?

The way the trailer talks about 'punishing them for misusing power' sounds awfully familiar.... does Dragon Ball GT ring a bell? The whole plot of DBGT was negative energy having been built up in the dragon balls over dozens of wishes that are only to be used every 1000 years. The resulting creatures that spawned from that negative energy became the new villains. A new villain punishing the whole human race for stealing the mazou from the moon and misusing it sounds like the same plot line. Was Dragon Ball GT canon? You tell me.
I could ask you the same question about Kaguya, since she played exactly the same role as Toneri, but the divine punishment would be the eternal dream instead of the moon fall, and the creatures that were born from her "negative energy" were known as Zetsu.

Well, even playing the same role, she is considered canon. She is the progenitor of chakra.

Not only that, but why would he not seek revenge and attack right after Madara stole the Mazou? Madara stole it over 16 years before the start of the manga which means this new villain waited 18 years before seeking vengeance. Was he living under a rock this whole time? Well maybe it took him 18 years to travel from the Moon to Earth is the answer -_- (don't mean to condescend, just trying to squeeze in a joke).
Even if you tried to do a joke about it, I think you might not realize that you were quite near about that. The trailer curiously refers to something about "Our clan has waited for 1000 years" (curious... it is almost exactly the time that took the Holy Fruit to bare from the Shinju)... it is as if something prevented them from going to the Earth, don't you think?

I mean, they might be Ootsutsuki, but we don't really know if they met the requirements to go to the earth (in terms of power).

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Finally, and to clearify: Toneri is as important as Kaguya. These two plays a similar role in the manga, and there is "a motive" of why Toneri would appear, this motive being the Mazou itself.
 

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I'm saying the manga can be treated as an entity apart from any movie and I don't consider a movie that takes place between two chapters essential to the manga's story just for that reason. I'm also saying that I only consider the Ootsutsuki from the manga as canon and I don't find this new villain to have any manga relevance as he was not part of the original story.

Indeed everything I'm stating is subjective and I'm apparently in the extreme minority on this subject. My only point to this thread is to convince people to QUESTION whether the movie is canon or not considering all the evidence I've presented. You continue to prove your immaturity by calling me an idiot. You're free to leave my thread at any time if it upsets you.

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Then your whole argument is backfired, you first claim it as a fact regarding the entity apart of the movie is non-canon, but now you want to convince people to believe your opinion??? Nobody gives a shit about your issues, nothing you said are evidential to support your argument when it's already proven to be canon , it's just nothing more but your pure arragonce in a nutshell but if you seriously consider it as noncanon then by all mean feel free to do so, but don't assert it. Simply put You're asking if the movie is canon, and the simple answer is yes lol.

Lastly, you said Hamura is non-important that means you disregard the Ootsutski not just the movie but the manga as well. Naruto the Last Movie = Naruto Manga
 
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Actually Kishi didn't write the movie he has SP do it. Since in his words HE can't write Romance...he just approved it, he made them re-write several times...but none the less. The movie is canon period. I personally don't like how it ended just based on plot holes and ass pulls, and based on some of the stuff I have read about the movie;I have read better FF about NH elsewhere. (Seriously relying on a movie to make up stuff that never happened in your own manga..pure I.D.G.A.F. mentality). The whole movie is just a way to justify things that never happened or was ever mentioned and I am not talking about just romantic feelings....

But that is my opinion....The movie is canon though so like it or not That's the way it is
 

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To everyone saying Kishi has stated its canon and said it multiple times, that is only your interpretation of his statements. As Uzumakisama stated, its easy for your mind to jump from 'related' to 'canon'. Just because Kishi was deeply involved in the movie and it has aspects related to the manga does not mean its canon. Does the movie have any true relevance to the manga (outside of the NaruHina pairing)? Does anything get discovered in the movie that is essential to the manga storyline? No it does not. You don't have to see the movie to know everything there is to know about the Naruto series. My interpretation is that its not canon.

@ AaaaNinja, you are right that this movie has something unique to it that is rooted in the manga, the NaruHina pairing. But the difference between this and canon material is that canon material is discovered in the manga, not the movie. So since the NaruHina pairing was made canon in the manga rather than this movie, I still consider it in the same filler box as every other movie.
You know we usually agree about everything, but this is one thing I do disagree with you about. I get what you are saying, that basically everything besides the NaruHina pairing in the movie is random bullshit, but since it does show the NaruHina pairing, and how it came about and how they got married and whatnot, that means that part is canon. If Kishi ever refers to how they got married in the spinoff series, do you think he's going to change the way it will be presented in this movie? He will keep it the same, making it canon. Since these parts are canon, the whole movie has to be, you can't just pick and choose parts of the movie to be canon and other parts not to be.
 
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