Kamui: Perfect Susanoo.

[AlphaScythian]

What are you so upset about? Lol Sasuke doesn't say all MS users can awaken Susano'o. If your tag along yolo English is the problem, then I am not responsible for it. Double MS is the prime condition to awaken it. Full potential doesn't mean all will awaken Susano'o. That is for individual potential of the eyes, as Obito's has potential for a much faster Kamui usage, Shisui could use two KA.

You still didn't bring anything on the table that refutes any of my statements. Kakashi said Sage's chakra made Obito's eyes stronger? Fact. Susano'o is rare amongst Uchihas? Fact. Sasuke didn't say all people awaken Susano'o who posses double MS? Fact. Give up.

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My english is good enough as well as 3 other languages im fluent in

Sasuke says all MS users can achieve it. So full potential is that THIRD technique. Seems your english is suffering.

Sage's chakra made eyes stronger. So? Does it mean one cant get PS w/o it?

Susanoo is rare among uchiha's but not among MS users as 3/6 - half have showcased it, 4th would be Obito if people drop bias and understand its his.

Get english lessons and we might come back to this honestly, sasuke says all DMS users can achieve it U_U

 

[King Of Pop]

Indra inherited strong chakra genes but he didnt inherit it all. All uchiha have strong chakra genes. The horns are not evidence of senjutsu what are you smoking? Kakashi's PS has none.

Do your homework OK?

your argument wasnt about the quantity of sages chakra he had, rather it was about him not having the chakra at all and ive proven you wrong so stating how much he inherited is irrelevant to the main premise of the discussion. with just a little bit of that chakra which obito got from jj madara and passed on to kakashi, he busted out ps despite having only ms,l indra has that chakra simple.

 

[AlphaScythian]

your argument wasnt about the quantity of sages chakra he had, rather it was about him not having the chakra at all and ive proven you wrong so stating how much he inherited is irrelevant to the main premise of the discussion. with just a little bit of that chakra which obito got from jj madara and passed on to kakashi, he busted out ps despite having only ms,l indra has that chakra simple.

Indra has none of sage's chakra neither its needed for PS.
Sage's chakra is indra+ashura

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Of course it's Obito's feat. He's the one who gave the powers to Kakashi

All the Kamui feats belong to Obito, except for Kamui Raikiri which Kakashi improvised

 

[shelke]

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My english is good enough as well as 3 other languages im fluent in

Sasuke says all MS users can achieve it. So full potential is that THIRD technique. Seems your english is suffering.

Sage's chakra made eyes stronger. So? Does it mean one cant get PS w/o it?

Susanoo is rare among uchiha's but not among MS users as 3/6 - half have showcased it, 4th would be Obito if people drop bias and understand its his.

Get english lessons and we might come back to this honestly, sasuke says all DMS users can achieve it U_U

Didn't really ask for your qualifications. Your English seems off though. Let me put this in a simple manner even YOU might be able to grasp:

Madara: Had double EMS. Couldn't use Amaterasu, Enton Kagatsuchi, Tsukuyomi, Kamui, KA.
Itachi: Couldn't use Kamui, KA, Enton.
Sasuke: Couldn't use Tskuyomi, KA, Kamui.
Obito: Couldn't use Amaterasu, Enton, Tsukuyomi, KA.
Shisui: Couldn't use all the above mentioned abilities save for KA.

Now, going by your logic since possessing double MS unlocks the full potential, ALL double MS / EMS users should be able to use ALL the listed techniques. As after all, it's the POTENTIAL of the eyes to grant the user their abilities. This renders your whole argument completely useless. They couldn't use them, because their eyes lack the potential to use them.

Post that scan one million times for all I care, it still says the same thing I state: it's the PRIMARY requirement to awaken Susano'o. Not the sole requirement.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Didn't really ask for your qualifications. Your English seems off though. Let me put this in a simple manner even YOU might be able to grasp:

Madara: Had double EMS. Couldn't use Amaterasu, Enton Kagatsuchi, Tsukuyomi, Kamui, KA.
Itachi: Couldn't use Kamui, KA, Enton.
Sasuke: Couldn't use Tskuyomi, KA, Kamui.
Obito: Couldn't use Amaterasu, Enton, Tsukuyomi, KA.
Shisui: Couldn't use all the above mentioned abilities save for KA.

Now, going by your logic since possessing double MS unlocks the full potential, ALL double MS / EMS users should be able to use ALL the listed techniques. As after all, it's the POTENTIAL of the eyes to grant the user their abilities. This renders your whole argument completely useless. They couldn't use them, because their eyes lack the potential to use them.

Post that scan one million times for all I care, it still says the same thing I state: it's the PRIMARY requirement to awaken Susano'o. Not the sole requirement.

That was never my logic, just what are you tripping. Those abilities are unique per eye, susanoo is their general technique.

You dont seem to grasp what manga states and what verb 'can' mean

auxiliary verb, present singular 1st person can, 2nd can or (Archaic) canst, 3rd can, present plural can; past singular 1st person could, 2nd could or (Archaic) couldst, 3rd could, past plural could.
1.
to be able to; have the ability, power, or skill to:
She can solve the problem easily, I'm sure.
2.
to know how to:
He can play chess, although he's not particularly good at it.
3.
to have the power or means to:
A dictator can impose his will on the people.
4.
to have the right or qualifications to:
He can change whatever he wishes in the script.

can 1 (kn; kn when unstressed)
aux.v. Past tense could (kd)
1.
a. Used to indicate physical or mental ability: I can carry both suitcases. Can you remember the war?
b. Used to indicate possession of a specified power, right, or privilege: The President can veto congressional bills.
c. Used to indicate possession of a specified capability or skill: I can tune the harpsichord as well as play it.

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Glad that you admit you're denial, its a sole prerequisite not primary, there is no other condition for getting susanoo.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi can do everything Obito did with his eyes, and vice versa, as those are Obito's eyes and Obito's chakra that Kakashi used to pull off what he did.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kakashi can do everything Obito did with his eyes, and vice versa, as those are Obito's eyes and Obito's chakra that Kakashi used to pull off what he did.

Butthurt bias idiots will deny this mangafact. They refuse to see the part where Obito stated Kakashi couldn't do anything had obito not given his powers to Kakashi

 

[Scryed]

Kakashi didn't actually have Obito's eyes since they turned to ash along with Obito.

Obito's soul or whatever literally entered (or transmigrated I guess) into Kakashi and that ended up giving Kakashi Obito's power. I think of it as if Kakashi temporarily became an Uchiha himself.

I'm guessing they'd both be capable of using dimensional sync as well if Kakashi is using Obito's DMS power.




My guess is that Obito does have a Susanoo but the Juubi chakra that he had (which went into Kakashi) amplified it to the point were he was able to manifest a PS with just a MS.


Kinda like Indra who apparently inherited Hagoromo's chakra who inherited his chakra from Kaguya who is the Juubi.

I'm beginning to believe that PS is attainable by those who carry Kaguya's chakra. As time passed the quality of that chakra degraded and the only ones who remained with the pure chakra were the transmigrants which I believe is why they were stronger compared to everyone else during their times (Madara and Hashirama for example) by the time they grew up. Just a theory though not a fact.

 

[shelke]

That was never my logic, just what are you tripping. Those abilities are unique per eye, susanoo is their general technique.

You dont seem to grasp what manga states and what verb 'can' mean

auxiliary verb, present singular 1st person can, 2nd can or (Archaic) canst, 3rd can, present plural can; past singular 1st person could, 2nd could or (Archaic) couldst, 3rd could, past plural could.
1.
to be able to; have the ability, power, or skill to:
She can solve the problem easily, I'm sure.
2.
to know how to:
He can play chess, although he's not particularly good at it.
3.
to have the power or means to:
A dictator can impose his will on the people.
4.
to have the right or qualifications to:
He can change whatever he wishes in the script.

can 1 (kn; kn when unstressed)
aux.v. Past tense could (kd)
1.
a. Used to indicate physical or mental ability: I can carry both suitcases. Can you remember the war?
b. Used to indicate possession of a specified power, right, or privilege: The President can veto congressional bills.
c. Used to indicate possession of a specified capability or skill: I can tune the harpsichord as well as play it.

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Glad that you admit you're denial, its a sole prerequisite not primary, there is no other condition for getting susanoo.

All rubbish. Given that it still doesn't support your view. Use could with it, and it becomes a matter of ambiguity automatically, albeit, it would only be in the 'past tense' usage of the term. Which means, your fact of certainty fails.

- Only those with double MS use Susano'o.

THIS is the sentence that removes the element of ambiguity. This is how sentences are checked. Taking a dialogue out of context isn't helping your posts or arguments. When you still didn't answer my question: why didn't they use those abilities when double MS unlocks ALL potential as Madara stated?

Fact remains, Sasuke and Itachi both have Susano'o, but Madara doesn't posses Amaterasu, when it is shown through several characters that they were aware of Amaterasu. Which means, despite having the ability it wasn't a guarantee that he would have Amaterasu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

All rubbish. Given that it still doesn't support your view. Use could with it, and it becomes a matter of ambiguity automatically, albeit, it would only be in the 'past tense' usage of the term. Which means, your fact of certainty fails.

- Only those with double MS use Susano'o.

Lol denial intensifies

THIS is the sentence that removes the element of ambiguity. This is how sentences are checked. Taking a dialogue out of context isn't helping your posts or arguments. When you still didn't answer my question: why didn't they use those abilities when double MS unlocks ALL potential as Madara stated?

Nobody said full potential means all MS techniques ever. 1 MS eye can only hold 1 tech, there is no room for more.

Fact remains, Sasuke and Itachi both have Susano'o, but Madara doesn't posses Amaterasu, when it is shown through several characters that they were aware of Amaterasu. Which means, despite having the ability it wasn't a guarantee that he would have Amaterasu.

Amaterasu is not prerequisite for susanoo, in fact susanoo is body ability which is awakened by DMS possession.

 

[10th]

What can I say

OFC!!!!!!!

It be like saying Nagato can use chibaku tensei and Madara can't, but even worse, because Obito literally gave his chakra and spirit to Kakashi, kinda like a vessel.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Do people rely count Perfect Susanoo being a part of Obito's arsenal too or not?

Also, the double Kumai dimension sync...

Do you count the Kumai dimension sync as DMS Kakashi's arsenal as well?

Yes. if he has 2 eyes he gets the full abilities of both.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

This cant be taken this literally.
Did shisui showcase KA? But crow did, so shisui cant use it now?
Susanoo takes set of MS and Obito has it, it was matter of time to awaken it.

No, but he was STATED to have been able to use it. There was no indication that Obito was able to use Susano'o with both eyes. Can we assume it? Yes, but we can't give him an ability he hasn't shown. That is why vs. threads get so skewed.

 

[shelke]

Lol denial intensifies
Nobody said full potential means all MS techniques ever. 1 MS eye can only hold 1 tech, there is no room for more.
Amaterasu is not prerequisite for susanoo, in fact susanoo is body ability which is awakened by DMS possession.

You pretty much shot your own argument down. You admit that Madara stating that the eyes unlock their full potential doesn't mean all the abilities. Is Susano0'o exclusive because Obito is involved in this, when Obito himself doesn't agree with you? Fact remains, Obito's statement comes AFTER Sasuke's, and Sasuke's statement doesn't even remotely imply that Double MS unlocks Susano'o in every user.

 

[AlphaScythian]

You pretty much shot your own argument down. You admit that Madara stating that the eyes unlock their full potential doesn't mean all the abilities. Is Susano0'o exclusive because Obito is involved in this, when Obito himself doesn't agree with you? Fact remains, Obito's statement comes AFTER Sasuke's, and Sasuke's statement doesn't even remotely imply that Double MS unlocks Susano'o in every user.

I admit that full potential isnt all MS techs ever. Buth susanoo is not any unique ability that resides in eyes, its actually body technique which is unlocked by having DMS.

You still clinging to what Obito said? Selective reading at it best :vincent:

 

[shelke]

I admit that full potential isnt all MS techs ever. Buth susanoo is not any unique ability that resides in eyes, its actually body technique which is unlocked by having DMS.

You still clinging to what Obito said? Selective reading at it best :vincent:

Same is Amaterasu. Yet, Obito states it's rare when almost all and sundry know Amaterasu exists. It's time you took your bow.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Same is Amaterasu. yet, Obito states it's rare when almost all and sundry know Amaterasu exists. It's time your took your bow.

Just because Obito usually right doesnt mean he's never wrong.
I already presented the word of those who awakened susanoo vs Obito's.

If you gonna keep denying the credibility of 3 susanoo users against the one who didnt even awakened it yet, then you're just making yourself look like clown tbh.

 

[Migster257]

DMS Kakashi is an Obito Kakashi fusion :| so no I won't count it as part of Kakashi's arsenal. Its borrowed (In the literal sense). That being said ppl can compare what ever they want. We have no control over that.

That's kind of stupid. Everyone in this series uses borrowed powers and is basically a fusion of ten other people. (Kabuto being a prime example.)

 

[shelke]

Just because Obito usually right doesnt mean he's never wrong.
I already presented the word of those who awakened susanoo vs Obito's.

If you gonna keep denying the credibility of 3 susanoo users against the one who didnt even awakened it yet, then you're just making yourself look like clown tbh.

I am making myself look like a clown, when Sasuke, Madara, and Itachi are rare Uchihas? When Obito states it is extremely rare? When Sasuke doesn't state double MS unlocks Susano'o in every user? When Shisui never had any Susano'o? When Izuna never had any Susano'o?

Then you go on and try to play the card that 'Obito could have been wrong'? Yeah, it's really just me.