Kamui: Perfect Susanoo.

[Ansatsuken]

Alright, well this does make sense.
At what point do we draw the line on what he can and can't do?

The line can be found on pure Rinnegan without Juubi

Madara rinnegan so called true potential is limbo, Nagato dont have a limbo but got the other rinnegan abilities, and when we followed the manga, Nagato rinnegan ability is not short to much with true owner rinnegan ability that just a limbo clone.

but we can be sure that Kakashi with both MS eye can do Kamui Snipe, kamui warp, Kamui intengible and Susanoo, because that sharingan common abilities.

Rinnegan limbo, maybe Hago dont possess, just Madara, that still a mystery here.

 

[ANiMUS]

Obito can sync his kamui to other st dimensional/other worlds users like Kaguya.

By syncing with Kaguya as she teleported, he gain access to all here dimensions, scanning in search of Sasuke.

It combines the power of both eyes

That is DMS Obito's feat. That was proven. As for Kakashi no.
As far as I am concerned DMS is Obito's power. That means dimension sync and Susano'o

 

[shelke]

Obito never met all MS users to speak for all of them and as half of MS users got Susanoo it just doesnt make it rare any more, MS users is what truly rare. Therefore credibility of this statement is very doubtful.

How does Obito not have special eyes? He has best MS in manga U_U

Yes it coincidence PS is not dependable on sage's chakra, it at best could only speed the process up but strong chakras were never noted for such effect

Sasuke disagrees with Obito by saying you get susanoo once you have double MS power.
Madara says the powers awakens with full set. Probably about susanoo as didnt awaken anything else.
Itachi said he got susanoo the day he awakened amaterasu and tsukuyomi.

^^They basically set it in stone. Double MS is what needed for susanoo.

Then we have shisui who got susanoo in game, izuna to be around maddys level should posses one too, logically.
Last DB is shit.
Sasuke's susanoo was progressing as was his MS chakra. When he got full susanoo Obito said his hatred has matured.
This is the main evidence that susanoo grows as MS matures.

Kakashi outright states that the Sage's chakra "enhanced the power" of Obito's eyes. That didn't have anything to do with him whipping out a PS? It is never stated that Obito's eyes are the best. It's Sasuke for whom this line is constantly used. That Chakra gave him a power that made his eyes more potent, thus allowing him to develop PS.

- False. Obito's statement appears AFTER Sasuke said that:

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Sasuke never stated, "every person with double MS awakens it." It's Obito's statement that makes the picture complete. Don't deny it just because it suits your argument.

- Still doesn't refute my point. Did Shisui have Susano'o in the manga? Nope.

- Was Izuna shown to possess Susano'o? Nope.

Obito's statement holds: Susano'o is a rarety amongst Uchihas.

 

[VongolaX]

The line can be found on pure Rinnegan without Juubi

Madara rinnegan so called true potential is limbo, Nagato dont have a limbo but got the other rinnegan abilities, and when we followed the manga, Nagato rinnegan ability is not short to much with true owner rinnegan ability that just a limbo clone.

See there's the catch...

He's the original owner of the eyes, he claimed to be able to use full power, and didn't show use how.

People can put that thought process into Obito using PS.

On top of that, we don't know if he can use the full power of the rinnegan.

but we can be sure that Kakashi with both MS eye can do Kamui Snipe, kamui warp, Kamui intengible and Susanoo, because that sharingan common abilities.

Well the basic commas, but the mangekyo not so much.


He claimed to use the real power of Kumai into comparison to someone who can use it a bunch of times.

Rinnegan limbo, maybe Hago dont possess, just Madara, that still a mystery here.

I think its a reserved thing

 

[AlphaScythian]

Kakashi outright states that the Sage's chakra "enhanced the power" of Obito's eyes. That didn't have anything to do with him whipping out a PS? It is never stated that Obito's eyes are the best. It's Sasuke for whom this line is constantly used. That Chakra gave him a power that made his eyes more potent, thus allowing him to develop PS.

Sage's chakra is not a prerequisite for awakening susanoo or PS for that matter, therefore PS can be and was achieved with MS alone.
I really dont see a point in denying it while there is no proof sage's chakra is what made PS be for kakashi and not merely made it stronger.

- False. Obito's statement appears AFTER Sasuke said that:

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Sasuke never stated, "every person with double MS awakens it." It's Obito's statement that makes the picture complete. Don't deny it just because it suits your argument.

False what? So by saying something after sasuke he gets to be right about it?
Sasuke is the one who awakened it at that time he knows better and yes, he says those who have double MS power have susanoo, its not every person but every MS user has this option.

- Still doesn't refute my point. Did Shisui have Susano'o in the manga? Nope.
- Was Izuna shown to possess Susano'o? Nope.

Irrelevant, we dont have any feats from them and manga suggest all MS get it.

Obito's statement holds: Susano'o is a rarety amongst Uchihas.

I already covered it, other 3 MS and susanoo users say you need MS set to have it.
Now whom will i believe on this matter, Obito who didnt have it yet or 3 of those who awakened it?
Give it up already U_U

 

[VongolaX]

That is DMS Obito's feat. That was proven. As for Kakashi no.
As far as I am concerned DMS is Obito's power. That means dimension sync and Susano'o

Okay then, thanks

 

[King Of Pop]

Are you saying PS is not achievable by MS w/o sage's chakra? Cuz Indra begs to differ

urrm indra inherited his

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so yes he did have sages chakra duh. so yes ill say ps cannot be achieved with ms without sages chakra powering it which is what logic points to even though it wasnt directly stated but its implied.

 

[shelke]

Sage's chakra is not a prerequisite for awakening susanoo or PS for that matter, therefore PS can be and was achieved with MS alone.
I really dont see a point in denying it while there is no proof sage's chakra is what made PS be for kakashi and not merely made it stronger.
False what? So by saying something after sasuke he gets to be right about it?
Sasuke is the one who awakened it at that time he knows better and yes, he says those who have double MS power have susanoo, its not every person but every MS user has this option.
Irrelevant, we dont have any feats from them and manga suggest all MS get it.

I already covered it, other 3 MS and susanoo users say you need MS set to have it.
Now whom will i believe on this matter, Obito who didnt have it yet or 3 of those who awakened it?
Give it up already U_U

Kakashi: Sage's power enhanced the eyes.

Obito: Susano'o is a rarety amongst Uchihas.

Manga doesn't suggest or even imply that ALL double MS users awaken it, when Obito - and by extension the manga - say the exact opposite.

Sasuke said that double MS is required for awakening it. That means it's the prime condition. That doesn't mean all and sundry awaken it. The manga doesn't agree.

 

[AlphaScythian]

urrm indra inherited his

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so yes he did have sages chakra duh. so yes ps cannot be achieved with ms without sages chakra powering it.

Oh, really? Did he inherit true sage's chakra? Did he have rinnegan? Or Sage's senjutsu? All uchiha's are famed for strong chakra.

Kakashi: Sage's power enhanced the eyes.

Obito: Susano'o is a rarety amongst Uchihas.

Manga doesn't suggest or even imply that ALL double MS users awaken it, when Obito - and by extension the manga - say the exact opposite.

Sasuke said that double MS is required for awakening it. That means it's the prime condition. That doesn't mean all and sundry awaken it. The manga doesn't agree.

Im done pleading your ignorance on this matter. You're clinging to that word of Obito which is countered by 3 other MS and susanoo users. Look at post #37, Draph has it soloed U_U

 

[BlacLord™]

The Kumai shuriken was hinted though

How did you go from spelling Kamui right to consistently wrong?

It's on the same level as people who spell Deidara as Diedara, like they have some personal thing against him.

DIE​dara.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Then leave :|

I already countered you in that Madara vs Kakashi thread.

This has nothing to do with what you are implying.

Lol. The butthurt is strong in this one.

 

[shelke]

Oh, really? Did he inherit true sage's chakra? Did he have rinnegan? Or Sage's senjutsu? All uchiha's are famed for strong chakra.

Im done pleading your ignorance on this matter. You're clinging to that word of Obito which is countered by 3 other MS and susanoo users. Look at post #37, Draph has it soloed U_U

What three users? Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara ARE rare Uchihas to begin with. You cannot use them as an example to try and validate your view. Madara beat adult Senjus as a kid. Obito got his ass handed to him. Itachi was a rare prodigy. Obito was a dead last like Naruto. Sasuke was a prodigy with rare eyes, Indra's reincarnation. Obito had not such special spiritual connections.

What kind of parallel are you trying to establish, when upon seeing Sasuke, Madara thought that he should have been his disciple? Obito himself said Sasuke's eyes were rare. Orochimaru said it as well. I mean, come on! The manga has made it clear many times that Sasuke, Itachi, and Madara were exceptions within the clan.

 

[VongolaX]

How did you go from spelling Kamui right to consistently wrong?

It's on the same level as people who spell Deidara as Diedara, like they have some personal thing against him.

DIE​dara.

When using my phone, unfamiliar words automatically switch to a word that is close to or used before

 

[Lightbringer]

The Susanoo awakened from Obito's eyes so he does have it.

 

[Radice]

PS is an EMS ability
Without sage chakra remaining from Juubi Jinchuuriki form
DMS Obito at least has a weak Susanoo like Itachi (much more weaker since obito doesn't have totsuka and Yata) or doesn't have anything

Obito is a fodder Uchiha compared to Sasuke, Madara and Itachi.

 

[AlphaScythian]

What three users? Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara ARE rare Uchihas to begin with. You cannot use them as an example to try and validate your view. Madara beat adult Senjus as a kid. Obito got his ass handed to him. Itachi was a rare prodigy. Obito was a dead last like Naruto. Sasuke was a prodigy with rare eyes, Indra's reincarnation. Obito had not such special spiritual connections.

What kind of parallel are you trying to establish, when upon seeing Sasuke, Madara thought that he should have been his disciple? Obito himself said Sasuke's eyes were rare. Orochimaru said it as well. I mean, come on! The manga has made it clear many times that Sasuke, Itachi, and Madara were exceptions within the clan.

Are you blind or something?

The manga & DB also helps support the claim that he has susanoo as well.

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Both imply that anyone with the power of the mangekyou sharingan activated in both eyes has access to the third power susanoo. Since kakashi can use it then that means the eyes [obito's eyes] have that same ability, so obito has that same ability.

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Need 'both eyes to awaken their full potential' - cant be anything else since madara only awakened susanoo.

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'The third and final technique...'

None of them says shit about special eyes or the rarity of awakening susanoo.

You're are not reading the manga properly and that statement of Obito is outweighed by those who really got susanoo.

 

[King Of Pop]

Oh, really? Did he inherit true sage's chakra? Did he have rinnegan? Or Sage's senjutsu? All uchiha's are famed for strong chakra.

i dont understand what you mean by true sages chakra, all i know is that he has the chakra flowing in his veins which is evident as hes ps has horns same as sasuke when he got hagos boost. senjutsu? you mean rsm? then thats only attainable once you become a juubi jin whic he wasnt. yes but strong chakra doesnt equate to sages chakra. dunno why he didnt get a rinnegan tho

 

[AlphaScythian]

i dont understand what you mean by true sages chakra, all i know is that he has the chakra flowing in his veins which is evident as hes ps has horns same as sasuke when he got hagos boost. senjutsu? you mean rsm? then thats only attainable once you become a juubi jin whic he wasnt. yes but strong chakra doesnt equate to sages chakra. dunno why he didnt get a rinnegan tho

Indra inherited strong chakra genes but he didnt inherit it all. All uchiha have strong chakra genes. The horns are not evidence of senjutsu what are you smoking? Kakashi's PS has none.

Do your homework OK?

 

[Raykyryn]

Obito can't use kamui shurikens and his ps is featless. There is no other difference.

 

[shelke]

Are you blind or something?


Then

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Need 'both eyes to awaken their full potential' - cant be anything else since madara only awakened susanoo.

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'The third and final technique...'

None of them says shit about special eyes or the rarity of awakening susanoo.

You're are not reading the manga properly and that statement of Obito is outweighed by those who really got susanoo.

What are you so upset about? Lol Sasuke doesn't say all MS users can awaken Susano'o. If your tag along yolo English is the problem, then I am not responsible for it. Double MS is the prime condition to awaken it. Full potential doesn't mean all will awaken Susano'o. That is for individual potential of the eyes, as Obito's has potential for a much faster Kamui usage, Shisui could use two KA.

You still didn't bring anything on the table that refutes any of my statements. Kakashi said Sage's chakra made Obito's eyes stronger? Fact. Susano'o is rare amongst Uchihas? Fact. Sasuke didn't say all people awaken Susano'o who posses double MS? Fact. Give up.