[Discussion] Mihawk vs kaido

[Uzumaki Macho]

Shanks has only been shown using a sword whenever he fights, there is no instance of him not using a sword when he is getting ready to fight. Shanks is a swordsman.

 

[ChrisWolf]

I'll say it again i guess


Not to mention Mihawk(a swordsman addict) used to have legendary battles with Shanks(who happens to have a sword and even have swords on his jolly roger). What was the purpose of their rivarly if Shanks wasn't a swordsman?

ummm to see who is the strongest in general? OR they could have been swordsman rival but only had sword fights not full out battles.....you have no valid points there

 

[Hexuze]

Not to mention Mihawk(a swordsman addict) used to have legendary battles with Shanks(who happens to have a sword and even have swords on his jolly roger). What was the purpose of their rivarly if Shanks wasn't a swordsman?

That was before he lost his arm to the sea monster? Perhaps Shanks realized he'll change his combat style and it was fitting since it seems he unlocked CoC after he lost his arm.

 

[Luther]

You haven't proved a single point wrong. What you have done is:

1. Say "We're comparing Yonko to Warlords now" and then contradicted yourself with "I never said a Warlord can't be on a Yonko's level"

2. Hypocritically used Kaido's title as World's Strongest Man to justify him beating Mihawk, but then ignore the fact that Mihawk's title would put him, a Warlord, above Shanks, a Yonko; further increasing the contradiction you made in your above rhetorical question.


If Kaku can still be considered a swordsman despite using Rokushiki and his DF just as much as his swords, then yeah, I'm gonna still call him a swordsman.

On swordsmanship skills alone hawk eyes is stronger than shanks thats all. In that sense fujitora who has been shown using a cane sword along with law and many other characters are swordsmen? Thus hawk eyes can be stronger than them on that basis alone? Absolute comedy.
At the end of the day after all this beating around the bush and proving whose stronger whose not the main point of this thread was who wins and is kaido by quite a distance or margin, sorry bud. Hawk eyes sword-skills wont be enough to harm someone of kaidos caliber. As i said previously at best its a mid difficulty win for kaido.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Shanks is a swordsman when it comes to using sword in a battle. Tho, fighting with sword makes you swordsman, but using haki in battle don't fell under swordsman category.

Mihawk > Shanks when it comes to swords only. But when it comes to other aspects like strength, haki, it's possible that Shanks is better which leave their overall power left for speculation. I personally would say that these two are around equal.

It's really no different than Law and Zoro.

In the end Zoro will become Best Swordsman. Law uses swords and therefore he is a swordsman. Does that mean that Zoro will be stronger than Law by the end of series? - No.

Zoro's swordsman skills >>>>>>> Law's swordsman skills, but Law on top has his DF, which close the gap and even give him the edge.

 

[Punk Hazard]

talking about kaku is a different conversation entirely, he uses his sword to use his df abilitiy so therefore it is swordsmanship shanks only imbues his sword with his haki that's not different than what vergo does to his bamboo, are you saying that its swordsmanship simply because it is a sword and not his arms or bamboo?

How is imbuing your sword with Haki mean it's not swordsmanship? And, no it's not. He asked if Shanks using a separate ability from his swordsmanship would mean that he isn't a swordsman, and I said no because Kaku uses several abilities separate from his swords and is still considered a swordsman.

Yeah this sure looks like swordsmanship to me...

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(First pic. isn't canon but you get my point)

Ohhhh so if I post the scans of Zoro kicking Dellinger and tossing that giant over his shoulder in Davy Back, and throwing that house at Daz Bones, then I'll have proven he isn't a swordsman too, right? Or, what if I post the scans of Kaku, a swordsman, using Shigan and Tekkai? Would that mean that Kaku being called a swordsman was a mistake by Oda?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

He has a DF that allows him to make illusions (he has no sword at all possibly)

Shanks was showed with sword when he was in East Blue, before he saved Luffy.

When he saved Luffy he was showed swimming, which means that prior to that Shanks' hasn't eaten DF. It's possible that he ate it after it, but that still wouldn't change a fact that he used sword prior to that and also when he was young on Roger's ship.

 

[Punk Hazard]

On swordsmanship skills alone hawk eyes is stronger than shanks thats all. In that sense fujitora who has been shown using a cane sword along with law and many other characters are swordsmen? Thus hawk eyes can be stronger than them on that basis alone? Absolute comedy.
At the end of the day after all this beating around the bush and proving whose stronger whose not the main point of this thread was who wins and is kaido by quite a distance or margin, sorry bud. Hawk eyes sword-skills wont be enough to harm someone of kaidos caliber. As i said previously at best its a mid difficulty win for kaido.

Kaku is a categorized as a swordsman, and uses Rokushiki and a Devil Fruit just as much as his swords. So how are Fujitora and Law not swordsmen for using their DFs with their swords?

 

[ChrisWolf]

How is imbuing your sword with Haki mean it's not swordsmanship? And, no it's not. He asked if Shanks using a separate ability from his swordsmanship would mean that he isn't a swordsman, and I said no because Kaku uses several abilities separate from his swords and is still considered a swordsman.


Ohhhh so if I post the scans of Zoro kicking Dellinger and tossing that giant over his shoulder in Davy Back, and throwing that house at Daz Bones, then I'll have proven he isn't a swordsman too, right? Or, what if I post the scans of Kaku, a swordsman, using Shigan and Tekkai? Would that mean that Kaku being called a swordsman was a mistake by Oda?

the question isn't "How is imbuing your sword with Haki mean it's not swordsmanship?" the question is "How does him inbuing his sword with haki make it swordsmanship?" you are the one who implied this made him a swordsman in the first place, more of your wordplay parlor tricks I see there is no limit to the depths you will sink to look intelligent on the internet.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Yeah this sure looks like swordsmanship to me...

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(First pic. isn't canon but you get my point)

I guess Luffy isn't a brawler anymore because he used CoC before.

 

[ChrisWolf]

How is imbuing your sword with Haki mean it's not swordsmanship? And, no it's not. He asked if Shanks using a separate ability from his swordsmanship would mean that he isn't a swordsman, and I said no because Kaku uses several abilities separate from his swords and is still considered a swordsman.


Ohhhh so if I post the scans of Zoro kicking Dellinger and tossing that giant over his shoulder in Davy Back, and throwing that house at Daz Bones, then I'll have proven he isn't a swordsman too, right? Or, what if I post the scans of Kaku, a swordsman, using Shigan and Tekkai? Would that mean that Kaku being called a swordsman was a mistake by Oda?

oh and the reason he made the post about shanks using haki instead of his sword is because you said shanks uses his sword for every confrontation so this reply of yours about zoro and dellinger is just another example of you trying to twist someone else words around to make yourself seem smart.

 

[David1996]

Good one... Kaido Extreme-diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

the question isn't "How is imbuing your sword with Haki mean it's not swordsmanship?" the question is "How does him inbuing his sword with haki make it swordsmanship?" you are the one who implied this made him a swordsman in the first place, more of your wordplay parlor tricks I see there is no limit to the depths you will sink to look intelligent on the internet.

How does using a sword infused Haki swordsmanship? Are you seriously asking me how is using a sword infused with Haki swordsmanship?

 

[Bogard]

I don't know why people complicate things. At the end of the day Mihawk's title is the world strongest swordsman. His title alone means he is above other swordsmen in the fact that if they were to fight in a swords battle he won't lose. Regardless how fast, strong the enemies' physical strength and haki is, as long as they use as a supplement of their swordsmanship, it's Mihawk who is supposed to prevail.

So whether Shanks imbue haki, magic or whatever in his swords, it's Mihawk who is supposed to win. Conqueror haki is useless as it stands against someone strong anyway. Rayleigh(another conqueror haki user) couldn't make use of his conqueror haki against Kizaru simply because it was useless. Same thing goes for Doflamingo(a conqueror user) against Law(a non-conqueror user). Only thing useful in high level battles are observation and armament and for all we know Mihawk prevails in those categories as well.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't know why people complicate things. At the end of the day Mihawk's title is the world strongest swordsman. His title alone means he is above other swordsmen in the fact that if they were to fight in a swords battle he won't lose. Regardless how fast, strong the enemies' physical strength and haki is, as long as they use as a supplement of their swordsmanship, it's Mihawk who is supposed to prevail.

So whether Shanks imbue haki, magic or whatever in his swords, it's Mihawk who is supposed to win. Conqueror haki is useless as it stands against someone strong anyway. Rayleigh(another conqueror haki user) couldn't make use of his conqueror against haki against Kizaru simply because it was useless. Same thing goes for Doflamingo(a conqueror user) against Law(a non-conqueror user). Only thing useful in high level battles are observation and armament and for all we know Mihawk prevails in those categories as well.

Yup. Rayleigh couldn't know out men who were 100 times weaker than him with his COC, and Oda stated that how well Conqueror's works is directly related to the difference in strength between the user and the one affected. That means you're gonna have to be more than 100 times weaker than Shanks for his COC to knock you out, and if anyone thinks Mihawk falls into that category, then they shouldn't be here.

 

[ChrisWolf]

How does using a sword infused Haki swordsmanship? Are you seriously asking me how is using a sword infused with Haki swordsmanship?

yes I am, I do not see the problem with that question. It's a testament more to his haki ability whether than his swordsmanship.

 

[Punk Hazard]

yes I am, I do not see the problem with that question. It's a testament more to his haki ability whether than his swordsmanship.

Haki-augmented swordsmanship is still swordsmanship. That's like asking me how is a chocolate-covered banana still a banana.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Haki-augmented swordsmanship is still swordsmanship. That's like asking me how is a chocolate-covered banana still a banana.

no that's entirely different, a banana is an object.

So if I asked is a haki imbued sword still a sword? then that would be like asking if a chocolate covered banana is still a banana....

 

[Punk Hazard]

no that's entirely different, a banana is an object.

So if I asked is a haki imbued sword still a sword? then that would be like asking if a chocolate covered banana is still a banana....

Ah let me rephrase it since you're not very good at getting the gist of analogies.

Asking me how is using a sword laced with Haki still swordsmanship is like asking how is eating a banana covered in chocolate still eating a banana.

You acknowledge that a sword covered in Haki is still a sword, so why is using it not swordsmanship?

 

[Hexuze]

Ohhhh so if I post the scans of Zoro kicking Dellinger and tossing that giant over his shoulder in Davy Back, and throwing that house at Daz Bones, then I'll have proven he isn't a swordsman too, right? Or, what if I post the scans of Kaku, a swordsman, using Shigan and Tekkai? Would that mean that Kaku being called a swordsman was a mistake by Oda?

Missing the point. I was saying that it's probable that Shanks relies on CoC a lot more than his swordsmanship in combat.

I guess Luffy isn't a brawler anymore because he used CoC before.

Clearly, you didn't understand the point.