[Discussion] Mihawk vs kaido

[ChrisWolf]

I did. Mihawk is stronger than any swordsman. Kaido doesn't become a swordsman just by picking up a sword in the middle of the fight, he becomes one by using a sword regularly and consistently. If Kaido picking up a sword in the middle of a fight makes him a swordsman, do you consider Luffy a swordsman for when he waved those two swords around when he fought Arlong? If your answer is yes, you're an idiot. If your answer is no, then your argument falls apart. Your choice.

picking up a sword does not make him a swordsman and neither does using one frequently the way shanks does

shanks has incredible haki so he uses a sword frequently but doesn't rely on swordmanship abilities he relies on haki, he is not a swordsman just a haki beast that uses a sword

 

[Punk Hazard]

furthermore being called the strongest man means all MALES period

being called strongest swordsman means all SWORDSMEN period but just because someone picks up a sword and uses it does not make them a swordsman

tell me something ricky dicky if I go out and change my oil does that make me a mechanic?

shanks has not shown any swordstyle specific techs like zoros and mihawks and nor has been called a swordsman (that I know of) so he just uses a sword he is not a swordsman, if he and mihawk had a fencing match only then mihawk would win but in an all out battle that may not be the case.

Kaido was called the strongest creature, not the strongest man/male. Get your facts straight.

Secondly, just picking up a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Like I asked already, do you consider Luffy a swordsman for those couple panels in his fight against Arlong?

 

[Punk Hazard]

picking up a sword does not make him a swordsman and neither does using one frequently the way shanks does

shanks has incredible haki so he uses a sword frequently but doesn't rely on swordmanship abilities he relies on haki, he is not a swordsman just a haki beast that uses a sword

Using your Haki through your sword and with your sword is still a swordsman. Shanks doesn't "use one frequently" he uses it all the time. Show me one instance of Shanks about to confront someone without reaching for his sword, and I'll believe you that he isn't a swordsman.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Kaido was called the strongest creature, not the strongest man/male. Get your facts straight.

Secondly, just picking up a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Like I asked already, do you consider Luffy a swordsman for those couple panels in his fight against Arlong?

no I don't consider luffy a swordsman and I don't consider shanks a swordsman either! I can go my whole life changing the oil in my car and changing my own tires but that doesn't make me a mechanic! it doesn't matter how many times shanks uses his sword he does not show sword style feats and from what I've gathered in the world of onepiece these techniques are what makes you a swordsman!

and a creature means anything humans are creatures too so he is the strongest man I remember the statement I remember when it was stated but my point was that shanks mihawk and all of them are men so he is automatically stronger because they are creatures....

anyway using a sword does not make you a swordsman when you consider that he relies on haki your just trying to take one statement (mihawk is the strongest swordsman) and use to it justify mihawk being better than anyone who happens to use a sword and its asinine

 

[ChrisWolf]

Using your Haki through your sword and with your sword is still a swordsman. Shanks doesn't "use one frequently" he uses it all the time. Show me one instance of Shanks about to confront someone without reaching for his sword, and I'll believe you that he isn't a swordsman.

"show you one instance where he did not use his sword" wtf does it matter? he can use his sword for every battle throughout the series but that does not make him a swords man and he imbues the haki on to his sword its not even the same as fujitora who uses his sword to summon his df abilities.....in fujis case it seems as though his sword itself has some sort of tie to his df abilities.

this isn't getting anywhere, I don't agree and you have no proof or valid argument, I'm not going to keep going back and forth.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Mihawk wins with high diff.

Kaido was stated to be strongest creature, which likely refer to him being strongest zoan type df user. Also, Shanks was able to arrive at MF without scretch, did they fought or not, it's unclear, but in both cases, portraying goes to Shanks.

I do believe that Mihawk is around as powerful as Shanks, so I believe he wins this.

 

[Punk Hazard]

no I don't consider luffy a swordsman

Stopped reading here, argument falls apart on itself it is.

"show you one instance where he did not use his sword" wtf does it matter? he can use his sword for every battle throughout the series but that does not make him a swords man

That's exactly what makes him a swordsman.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Stopped reading here, argument falls apart on itself it is.


That's exactly what makes him a swordsman.

your an idiot, neither luffy nor shanks are swordsman but you know this, you just want to stick to your asinine point of view for the sake of looking smart on an anime forum. Facts are facts, I tell you what when a chapter comes out that states shanks is a swordsman or he uses some sort of swordstyle tech. then you win until then you are just stating your own OPINION of what makes a swordsman a swordsman as a way of making yourself look correct. If mihawk was stronger than shanks he would of been able to go head on with WB. This is over you may have the last word if you wish rick dicky

 

[Hexuze]

Shanks is portrayed as a Haoshoku Haki master, which has nothing to do with swordsmanship. CoC is the strongest haki type because of not only hype but seeing how Luffy specializes it from the M3 whereas Sanji/Zoro spec. in CoO/CoA, it's safe to assume that it's the strongest type and it's probably the biggest factor which places Shanks above Mihawk. Watch, everyone is going to start saying Shanks is stronger once we get to see how CoC works in combat or at least how Shanks rocks it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

your an idiot, neither luffy nor shanks are swordsman but you know this, you just want to stick to your asinine point of view for the sake of looking smart on an anime forum. Facts are facts, I tell you what when a chapter comes out that states shanks is a swordsman or he uses some sort of swordstyle tech. then you win until then you are just stating your own OPINION of what makes a swordsman a swordsman as a way of making yourself look correct. If mihawk was stronger than shanks he would of been able to go head on with WB. This is over you may have the last word if you wish rick dicky

Yeah, and the fact is Shanks is a swordsman. But, whatever you tell yourself bud.

 

[Luther]

1. You said "We're comparing Yonkos to Warlords" now, clearly showing that you think the Yonko are inherently stronger than Warlords. And now you're just trying to save face, talking about "I never said yada yada yada"

2. Er no. The Whitebeard Pirates were focused on getting Ace back, not decimating the other side. What happened once Ace died? They became far more offensive, Whitebeard let himself go all out and he decimated Akainu. If the Whitebeard pirates were focused on the defeating the other side rather than saving Ace from the very beginning, they'd have done a lot more damage.

3. Going by titles, which you have done by the way, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. While Kaido is stronger than them both on the same basis, this puts Mihawk on Yonko level, so the fight will be very difficult for Kaido. Do I need to refer you back to where you said "We're comparing Yonko to Shichibukai now?"

Stick to RP, your debating right now is a joke at best.

This is why you get banned constantly. Throughout this conversation all you have done is call me a hypocrite take little jabs at me while i prove your points wrong you claim i save face. Decimated akainu? Lol i remember akainu standing up minutes later still looking very much alive although wounded. Like i said mihawk is no where near kaido level. Same way as all yonkos are not equal in power.

 

[Bogard]

Shanks is a Rayleigh 2.0. Won't be surprised if Rayleigh was his mentor the way they speak to each other, so considering Rayleigh(a COC user) is a swordsman, Shanks is as well

 

[Hexuze]

Yeah, and the fact is Shanks is a swordsman. But, whatever you tell yourself bud.

What if he uses CoC more than he actually uses his swordsmanship in combat? You're still going to call him a swordsman?

 

[silmarill]

There are multiple reasons that Shanks infact could possibly not be a swordsman

His sword is actually a gun in guise.
He is actually a pipe-man but the pipes were sold out so he had to make due with a sword and choose to stick with it.
He has a DF that allows him to make illusions (he has no sword at all possibly)
He has arthritis and uses his so called sword (that has a hidden extension part) as a pole , making it in fact a walking stick.

Either way there are more than enough reasons we can make up so we can't be 100% sure that Shanks is a swordsman.

 

[ChrisWolf]

There are multiple reasons that Shanks infact could possibly not be a swordsman

His sword is actually a gun in guise.
He is actually a pipe-man but the pipes were sold out so he had to make due with a sword and choose to stick with it.
He has a DF that allows him to make illusions (he has no sword at all possibly)
He has arthritis and uses his so called sword (that has a hidden extension part) as a pole , making it in fact a walking stick.

Either way there are more than enough reasons we can make up so we can't be 100% sure that Shanks is a swordsman.

lmao I can't tell who's side you are actually on but this is funny as shit

 

[Punk Hazard]

This is why you get banned constantly. Throughout this conversation all you have done is call me a hypocrite take little jabs at me while i prove your points wrong you claim i save face. Decimated akainu? Lol i remember akainu standing up minutes later still looking very much alive although wounded. Like i said mihawk is no where near kaido level. Same way as all yonkos are not equal in power.

You haven't proved a single point wrong. What you have done is:

1. Say "We're comparing Yonko to Warlords now" and then contradicted yourself with "I never said a Warlord can't be on a Yonko's level"

2. Hypocritically used Kaido's title as World's Strongest Man to justify him beating Mihawk, but then ignore the fact that Mihawk's title would put him, a Warlord, above Shanks, a Yonko; further increasing the contradiction you made in your above rhetorical question.

What if he uses CoC more than he actually uses his swordsmanship in combat? You're still going to call him a swordsman?

If Kaku can still be considered a swordsman despite using Rokushiki and his DF just as much as his swords, then yeah, I'm gonna still call him a swordsman.

 

[ChrisWolf]

You haven't proved a single point wrong. What you have done is:

1. Say "We're comparing Yonko to Warlords now" and then contradicted yourself with "I never said a Warlord can't be on a Yonko's level"

2. Hypocritically used Kaido's title as World's Strongest Man to justify him beating Mihawk, but then ignore the fact that Mihawk's title would put him, a Warlord, above Shanks, a Yonko; further increasing the contradiction you made in your above rhetorical question.


If Kaku can still be considered a swordsman despite using Rokushiki and his DF just as much as his swords, then yeah, I'm gonna still call him a swordsman.

talking about kaku is a different conversation entirely, he uses his sword to use his df abilitiy so therefore it is swordsmanship shanks only imbues his sword with his haki that's not different than what vergo does to his bamboo, are you saying that its swordsmanship simply because it is a sword and not his arms or bamboo?

 

[Hexuze]

If Kaku can still be considered a swordsman despite using Rokushiki and his DF just as much as his swords, then yeah, I'm gonna still call him a swordsman.

Yeah this sure looks like swordsmanship to me...

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(First pic. isn't canon but you get my point)

 

[Lord Tywin]

so when people call Kaido the strongest creature, do they put him above whitebeard as well?
ot: Mihawk high diff. Mihawk should be should be stronger than shanks, who repelled kaido from fighting whitebeard.

 

[Bogard]

talking about kaku is a different conversation entirely, he uses his sword to use his df abilitiy so therefore it is swordsmanship shanks only imbues his sword with his haki that's not different than what vergo does to his bamboo, are you saying that its swordsmanship simply because it is a sword and not his arms or bamboo?

I'll say it again i guess

Shanks is a Rayleigh 2.0. Won't be surprised if Rayleigh was his mentor the way they speak to each other, so considering Rayleigh(a COC user) is a swordsman, Shanks is as well

Not to mention Mihawk(a swordsman addict) used to have legendary battles with Shanks(who happens to have a sword and even have swords on his jolly roger). What was the purpose of their rivarly if Shanks wasn't a swordsman?