Evening Elephant Databook entry ("Unstoppable Speed")

[BloodSeed]

If you're trying to say the Gai is slower than Minato, then why was gai able to blitz Madara during the entire match, while minato got owned?

because he was a freaking edo trying to use a senjutsu a move that he was not used of it. look how the gap of power between edo tobirama and a "ALIVE BLIND MADARA>>>>>>>>2EYED RENIGAN EDO MADARA"

 

[BloodSeed]

1. Killer B stayed out of the fight, it was purely a Minato vs Ay.

2. Minato chose to go try to attack Killer B, in order to make Ay surrender or w.e

3. Killer B only then was in the fight, because of Minato attacking first.. however Minato failed, because Killer B checkmated him right back.

4. Minato was then forced to retreat.

5. He didn't tremble, he was shocked. Furthermore, nice he saved Killer B, who had been fighting tailed beasts and then juubi itself.. =].


Ay and B together > Minato low-diff.



yup. And thats why Killer B remains one of the more underrated people in Naruto-verse. The dude could have easily gave BM Naruto (the one who fought against "rinnegan obito") the run for his money.

stop your BS you are just downplaying minato coz you want hashirama to secure his third place before this LOL

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Gaara's sand is nowhere near Gai.

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Gaara lifts his hand, and all of a sudden, its right there, ahead of Gai no less.

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Off screen isn't an excuse. Nor is the rest of your post, as Gai pausing for an instant doesn't even begin to explain how Gaara's Sand outsped him, nor does the manga show any pause anyway.

When you or anyone can give me a logical explanation, then I'll concede, but based on your post, I'm pretty sure there will be no counter, no valid one anyway.


Never said that there was.


Your point.

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You obviously have to be able to react first. So no, if you only take that into account, then its far from logical.



But as I expected, I've seen nothing that proves he can throw kunai faster than Gai can move. All ninja>All humans in physical abilities. I guess Konohamaru can throw Kunai faster than Juubito can move, according to your logic. Lmao. Quit now. Just quit.

are you still stupid? can you see madara was facing gai, before he use his black shield . then gaara and kakashi kamuied a part of that sheild from behind. where gai attack

 

[Haizaki]

are you still stupid? can you see madara was facing gai, before he use his black shield . then gaara and kakashi kamuied a part of that sheild from behind. where gai attack

Only 1 stupid one here Lol. So Gai turned around there and is somehow coming from behind Kakashi? What a tard you are.

 

[BloodSeed]

Only 1 stupid one here Lol. So Gai turned around there and is somehow coming from behind Kakashi? What a tard you are.

so madara turned his back lol more tard you are

 

[Haizaki]

so madara turned his back lol more tard you are

Irrelevant since Gai wasn't shown changing his position but rather coming from Kakashi's back. Only a moron would think so.. Gai at the bottom of this scan is going straight here

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. Madara turning his back is irrelevant especially when Gai was never shown turning round the orb. Especially when Gai wasn't there when they were discussing the plan. Especially when Gai was shown going straight at Madara. Your point is Moot.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Except the pages show NOTHING near Gai and NOTHING near Madara.

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So no, that destroys your assertion of the Sand being closer to Madara than it was to Gai.

Nowhere to be seen here either.

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Obviously didn't come from below, as movement lines and the angle of the sand show otherwise.

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Except Gai wasn't moving top speed to begin with, so this makes this whole paragraph completely irrelevant. DB states "hitting speed", not movement speed.





Its funny how people try to twist what the manga says when it doesn't agree with them. Minato acknowledged the fact that the Gudo Dama can't be touched. Madara cloaked himself in it. Thus Minato told Gai to hit him no matter what, ignoring the fact that the Gudo Dama (Which he cannot touch) were in his way. I don't know where you got "Go top speed" came from, but I'm 100% sure that it wasn't from the manga.

Context shows that Minato wanted Gai to hit Madara no matter what happened, and not to stop hit attack just because of the Gudo Dama.



As expected, you've done nothing but prove my original assertion right. That you'd do nothing but bring invalid argumentation to the table. Pretty ironic that you are doing nothing but bringing invalid points, yet you are speaking in this condescending tone, as if you've won or something. Lmfao.

Facepalm. None of these angles would have shown the sand.

And you're backing up your statement of Guy never moving at top speed, and that DB only refers to attack speed based on what exactly?


@Bold. Oh, this is rich. Absolutely rich.


Viz.

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"Keep forging on Guy, no matter what." I'm sorry, but considering Minato wants Guy to continue like there's no counter attack, there's absolutely nothing supporting the opinion that Guy slowed down. This coming from a guy who said "He didn't say go at top speed" as "counter." Tell me Kidgamer, what part of "keep forging on no matter what" essentially saying to ignore objects, somehow translates to your brain as "you can go at your own pace, it's not like this guy can think up of something while you slow down despite me telling you to ignore obstacles." There's only one function for telling someone to ignore something, and that's to continue to do what you would do if they weren't there like "not slow down." You can't honestly think that Guy was going to slow down for the final blow on his own do you?


I have won. Granted, you'll probably never think so in your life, but I've effectively shown the context of the statement as it was meant to be, how you'd have to completely alter the meaning of the text if you think it means something different from what I'm saying, and that you're arguments are hardly strong at all. You have the "if we didn't see it, it isn't there" mentality, which does not hold up. I have the condescending tone because I'm shocked that you'd hold an opinion so against the context of the manga with such a weak argument.

Says one lost but couldn't give an explanation to why Madara didn't attack Kakashi if he was on Gaara's sand all along in that spot Lol. It's simple, he caught up.

I don't like to juggle 2 people in a debate, and decided not to respond to your post because I felt the answer was pretty clear(at least to me),but if you are "calling me out on it," I'll be happy to demonstrate why this is an easy argument to counter.


1. He couldn't move

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2. why would he focus on what, to him, are flies when someone who has far greater power to hurt him at any time is right in front of him?






Here's a little something for the both of you as the final nail in the coffin.

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There was at least one air-jump if you don't count the panel after that. This means that Guy was at least moving at his maximum jumping speed unless you're suggesting that Guy somehow slowed down without doing anything.



This is my last reply. If this doesn't convince you, nothing, no matter how well thought or factual will, and I have other things to do than just repeat things to people who won't accept an explanation even if they fail to logically disprove it.

 

[Haizaki]

Jesus Christ..How is that meant to convince us? Did you read the previous argument? Yeah you obviously didn't.

Contradiction Number 1:

1. He couldn't move
2. why would he focus on what, to him, are flies when someone who has far greater power to hurt him at any time is right in front of him?

-He couldn't move but yet attacked Gai after

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or wait, Isn't this him turning his back here

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Once again, Makes no sense.

- I honestly hope the Bold is supposed to be a Joke because it's honestly the same thing again. Kidgamer told you the same already..The Balls were fired meaning Gai was already attacked...While firing it, they weren't around that area

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Hence the only reason they weren't attacked was because they were not there while Madara had already shielded himself. What sense does it make that Madara was just look at them when he was aware of Kakashi's Kamui abilities? You're not making sense. Using that as an excuse is terrible.

As simple as that and yet you're trying so hard to argue this. Something the other Minato fans kept shut about because they knew it made no sense. Something other fanbases agree with because it's hella inconsistent. Especially when we factor this as someone's fastest speed

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What sense does it make that gliding is full speed.

There was at least one air-jump if you don't count the panel after that. This means that Guy was at least moving at his maximum jumping speed unless you're suggesting that Guy somehow slowed down without doing anything.

After I addressed this before, you still repeat it again. You didn't nail any coffin sir Lol.

Gai was running in mid air in a circular pattern and as you can see in the top left he doesn't kick up but moves in a consistent pattern which is circular on the same line in mid air, Once again, no kicking up

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Common sense says when one kicks up

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, their momentum reduces and yet you're somehow explaining how his speed became much faster in that scenario. Why didn't Kishi factor Lee and the others when he was moving in that circular pattern which such speed? I still wonder.

This is my last reply. If this doesn't convince you, nothing, no matter how well thought or factual will, and I have other things to do than just repeat things to people who won't accept an explanation even if they fail to logically disprove it.

Seriously the bold? You're serious? You tried to argue that Gaara's sand was there but failed horribly. You said they were flies so why would he care? Seriously though Lol. Then you mention the bold.

Not to mention I don't know why slowing down is a problem when he had no counter to the balls coming straight at him. Why won't he slow down if anything? Not saying that but his speed was definitely inconsistent at that point. Bijuu Mode Minato failed to Hirashin before Obito cut his hand off and he apparenly Hirashins twice in his Base before Gai moves at full speed with his supposedly fastest punch? How Ridiculous.

 

[KidGamer65]

Facepalm. None of these angles would have shown the sand.

ALL of those angles show where the sand would be, if it were there.

Where is the Sand?

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If it were already

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, then IT WOULD BE IN THE ABOVE PANEL, as they are RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE ORB. If the Sand were closer to the orb than Gai was, (Which is the only way your shitty argument has any merit) then why is the Sand NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THE ABOVE PANEL? I'm waiting for an explanation instead of "None of these angles would have shown the sand"

Lmao. Blind or nah?

And you're backing up your statement of Guy never moving at top speed, and that DB only refers to attack speed based on what exactly?

The fact that only an idiot would assert that Gaara's Sand>=Gai's speed, but since it seems you've taken the alternate route of trying to make it seem as if the sand was there all along, you've chosen a route that perfectly emulates this idiocy.

@Bold. Oh, this is rich. Absolutely rich.


Viz.

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"Keep forging on Guy, no matter what." I'm sorry, but considering Minato wants Guy to continue like there's no counter attack, there's absolutely nothing supporting the opinion that Guy slowed down. This coming from a guy who said "He didn't say go at top speed" as "counter." Tell me Kidgamer, what part of "keep forging on no matter what" essentially saying to ignore objects, somehow translates to your brain as "you can go at your own pace, it's not like this guy can think up of something while you slow down despite me telling you to ignore obstacles." There's only one function for telling someone to ignore something, and that's to continue to do what you would do if they weren't there like "not slow down." You can't honestly think that Guy was going to slow down for the final blow on his own do you

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VIZ sends the SAME EXACT MESSAGE. Speed was not referenced, hinted at or mentioned at all. You can try your hardest to invent whatever nonsense you want to invent to try and win your arguments, but when you debate with me it isn't going to fly. When you can show me "speed" you can get back to me. "Keep forging on, no matter what" means exactly what the mangapanda scan said. Ignore all obstacles, ignore the Gudo Dama and hit Madara no matter what. I'm waiting for you to tell me how speed was referenced in all of this.

Its funny, he was only told to ignore all obstacles (The Gudo Dama) yet somehow, due to the lack of any evidence, you are trying your hardest to try and invent your own meaning and apply it to the scans. Pretty damn pathetic if you ask me.

I have won. Granted, you'll probably never think so in your life, but I've effectively shown the context of the statement as it was meant to be, how you'd have to completely alter the meaning of the text if you think it means something different from what I'm saying, and that you're arguments are hardly strong at all. You have the "if we didn't see it, it isn't there" mentality, which does not hold up. I have the condescending tone because I'm shocked that you'd hold an opinion so against the context of the manga with such a weak argument.

-You've failed to show me how Gaara's Sand caught up.

-You've done nothing but make up nonsense for why Gai was moving at his top speed. Throwing around the words "weak argument" and "I've won" means nothing when it comes from someone like you with an argument like yours. Nothing at all.

The "if we didn't see it, it isn't there" mentality works because the manga clearly showed us the space around Madara's orb, and nothing is there, but of course since your argument hinges on it, there is something there, even when the manga shows otherwise. I guess Kakashi and the Sand are ghosts? I guess they became invisible? Lol

Lol, get outta here pal. I'm not even gonna bother taking you and the rest of the fanboys seriously at this point. As I said in my first post, you've brought literally nothing to the table nor have you done anything with the posts you've made, except give me a bigger headache.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

You've done nothing but make up nonsense for why Gai was moving at his top speed.

Wait, so this is what this entire thread and purpose of debate is about? That Gai was moving at his "top speed" in that manga page and Minato "reacted" to it?

 

[KidGamer65]

Wait, so this is what this entire thread and purpose of debate is about? That Gai was moving at his "top speed" in that manga page and Minato "reacted" to it?

Yup, pretty much.

 

[BloodSeed]

Jesus Christ..How is that meant to convince us? Did you read the previous argument? Yeah you obviously didn't.

Contradiction Number 1:




-He couldn't move but yet attacked Gai after

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or wait, Isn't this him turning his back here

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Once again, Makes no sense.

- I honestly hope the Bold is supposed to be a Joke because it's honestly the same thing again. Kidgamer told you the same already..The Balls were fired meaning Gai was already attacked...While firing it, they weren't around that area

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Hence the only reason they weren't attacked was because they were not there while Madara had already shielded himself. What sense does it make that Madara was just look at them when he was aware of Kakashi's Kamui abilities? You're not making sense. Using that as an excuse is terrible.

As simple as that and yet you're trying so hard to argue this. Something the other Minato fans kept shut about because they knew it made no sense. Something other fanbases agree with because it's hella inconsistent. Especially when we factor this as someone's fastest speed

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What sense does it make that gliding is full speed.



After I addressed this before, you still repeat it again. You didn't nail any coffin sir Lol.

Gai was running in mid air in a circular pattern and as you can see in the top left he doesn't kick up but moves in a consistent pattern which is circular on the same line in mid air, Once again, no kicking up

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Common sense says when one kicks up

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, their momentum reduces and yet you're somehow explaining how his speed became much faster in that scenario. Why didn't Kishi factor Lee and the others when he was moving in that circular pattern which such speed? I still wonder.



Seriously the bold? You're serious? You tried to argue that Gaara's sand was there but failed horribly. You said they were flies so why would he care? Seriously though Lol. Then you mention the bold.

Not to mention I don't know why slowing down is a problem when he had no counter to the balls coming straight at him. Why won't he slow down if anything? Not saying that but his speed was definitely inconsistent at that point. Bijuu Mode Minato failed to Hirashin before Obito cut his hand off and he apparenly Hirashins twice in his Base before Gai moves at full speed with his supposedly fastest punch? How Ridiculous.

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[Sennin of Logic]

Jesus Christ..How is that meant to convince us? Did you read the previous argument? Yeah you obviously didn't.

Contradiction Number 1:




-He couldn't move but yet attacked Gai after

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or wait, Isn't this him turning his back here

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Once again, Makes no sense.

- I honestly hope the Bold is supposed to be a Joke because it's honestly the same thing again. Kidgamer told you the same already..The Balls were fired meaning Gai was already attacked...While firing it, they weren't around that area

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Hence the only reason they weren't attacked was because they were not there while Madara had already shielded himself. What sense does it make that Madara was just look at them when he was aware of Kakashi's Kamui abilities? You're not making sense. Using that as an excuse is terrible.

As simple as that and yet you're trying so hard to argue this. Something the other Minato fans kept shut about because they knew it made no sense. Something other fanbases agree with because it's hella inconsistent. Especially when we factor this as someone's fastest speed

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What sense does it make that gliding is full speed.



After I addressed this before, you still repeat it again. You didn't nail any coffin sir Lol.

Gai was running in mid air in a circular pattern and as you can see in the top left he doesn't kick up but moves in a consistent pattern which is circular on the same line in mid air, Once again, no kicking up

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Common sense says when one kicks up

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, their momentum reduces and yet you're somehow explaining how his speed became much faster in that scenario. Why didn't Kishi factor Lee and the others when he was moving in that circular pattern which such speed? I still wonder.



Seriously the bold? You're serious? You tried to argue that Gaara's sand was there but failed horribly. You said they were flies so why would he care? Seriously though Lol. Then you mention the bold.

Not to mention I don't know why slowing down is a problem when he had no counter to the balls coming straight at him. Why won't he slow down if anything? Not saying that but his speed was definitely inconsistent at that point. Bijuu Mode Minato failed to Hirashin before Obito cut his hand off and he apparenly Hirashins twice in his Base before Gai moves at full speed with his supposedly fastest punch? How Ridiculous.

What the heck am I reading?

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Yup, pretty much.

Oh boy. Yeah, so did Rock Lee... who actually had the real body reaction feat; seeing as all Minato did was utilize FTG which doesn't represent his bodies reflexes in the slightest. Not to mention Gaaras sand was keeping up, as you stated. So what makes this feat even worth discussing for Minato fanboys? I mean, I suppose they have to reach for something, else concede Gai wrecks. But damn.

Lol, and then how is Gai moving at top speed even being claimed. He wasn't moving anywhere close to it. How does travelling on momentum from a single kick in the air even come close to representing Gai's real speed. Lmao, this is fkn hell.

 

[BloodSeed]

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take a good damn look at this image. look how gai was illustrated with lines. like he was blitzing while gaaras sand and kakashi there is no line its like they are slow and already there


another proof is look at kakashis hair

 

[Haizaki]

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take a good damn look at this image. look how gai was illustrated with lines. like he was blitzing while gaaras sand and kakashi there is no line its like they are slow and already there


another proof is look at kakashis hair

The retard strikes again. Why the heck would Gai be turning around and still be coming from behind Kakashi? Are you daft? If he was there why didn't Madara kill him? He could sense so Kakashi's position is irrelevant.

What the heck am I reading?

Yeah you said you won't reply but that post clearly countered everything you dropped so you had to say belittle it Lol.

Not to mention I should be the one laughing at your post Lol. Someone who tried soo hard to argue why Gaara's sand was there and said the reason why Kakashi wasn't killed was because they were like flies compared to Gai even though Gai was already attacked and Kakashi from what you're saying was already in front of him. Madara could sense or could even see and didn't bother with Kakashi even though He knew about Kamui's ability to warp the TSB? What a Joke. He tried to defend himself against Gai and knew someone had the ability to warp the defense and was like "Oh they're are flies, ignore them" Lol. What a funny attempt.

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Want to see something funny? Log in as a guest user and you'll see how stupid you are considering YOU ARE SAYING THEY CAME FROM BEHIND LMAOO. Anyways you have no reply so don't even bother.

 

[BloodSeed]

The retard strikes again. Why the heck would Gai be turning around and still be coming from behind Kakashi? Are you daft? If he was there why didn't Madara kill him? He could sense so Kakashi's position is irrelevant.



Yeah you said you won't reply but that post clearly countered everything you dropped so you had to say belittle it Lol.

Not to mention I should be the one laughing at your post Lol. Someone who tried soo hard to argue why Gaara's sand was there and said the reason why Kakashi wasn't killed was because they were like flies compared to Gai even though Gai was already attacked and Kakashi from what you're saying was already in front of him. Madara could sense or could even see and didn't bother with Kakashi even though He knew about Kamui's ability to warp the TSB? What a Joke. He tried to defend himself against Gai and knew someone had the ability to warp the defense and was like "Oh they're are flies, ignore them" Lol. What a funny attempt.



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are you stupid madara is too scared of gai, why would he waste his time to attack kakashi. he was focused on gai coz he is coming

and dont ignore the mangascan kakashi and kinton sand are slow moving than gai in that panel



mangafax>>>>>>>>>your fanboyism


let me rub it in, gai is blitzing with those lines indicating it, kakashi's hair dont have air resistant indicating he is not moving as fast as might guy

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[Haizaki]

are you stupid madara is too scared of gai, why would he waste his time to attack kakashi. he was focused on gai coz he is coming

and dont ignore the mangascan kakashi and kinton sand are slow moving than gai in that panel

mangafax>>>>>>>>>your fanboyism

Lmaoo is anyone reading this retarded post? Madara covered himself.

- Madara tried to defend himself with the TSB against Gai.
- Gai was already attacked so it's irrelevant why he'll leave Kakashi alive after Gai was attacked.
- If Gai was already attacked, why leave Kakashi alive when he has the ability to warp away your defense? What would be the point of defending yourself when you see someone right in front of you who can warp it?

Basically you're saying Kakashi was already there and we've seen in this scan

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that he wasn't. Meanwhile when Gaara controls his sand, he's there already. Why control is he's already there? Meanwhile Madara is surprised despite him according to you seeing Kakashu there and already having knowledge on his ability to warp

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Once agan, Madara won't waste 5 TSB BALLS ON GAI IF KAKASHI WAS ALREADY THERE.

Mangafacts>>>>>>>Your stupidity. Can you imagine this guy from the very start said Gai turned around the orb to attack from Madara's back? Lol. Shat on that and your bring this Lol.

 

[BloodSeed]

Lmaoo is anyone reading this retarded post? Madara covered himself.

- Madara tried to defend himself with the TSB against Gai.
- Gai was already attacked so it's irrelevant why he'll leave Kakashi alive after Gai was attacked.
- If Gai was already attacked, why leave Kakashi alive when he has the ability to warp away your defense? What would be the point of defending yourself when you see someone right in front of you who can warp it?

Basically you're saying Kakashi was already there and we've seen in this scan

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that he wasn't. Meanwhile when Gaara controls his sand, he's there already. Why control is he's already there? Meanwhile Madara is surprised despite him according to you seeing Kakashu there and already having knowledge on his ability to warp

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Once agan, Madara won't waste 5 TSB BALLS ON GAI IF KAKASHI WAS ALREADY THERE.

Mangafacts>>>>>>>Your stupidity. Can you imagine this guy from the very start said Gai turned around the orb to attack from Madara's back? Lol. Shat on that and your bring this Lol.

is this your first time to read manga? coz you're reading it the wrong way. even kishimoto will laugh at your post.

explain why kakashi's hair aint resisting the winds and no lines like guy

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once again mangafaxxxxxx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.your BS


ill give you 1 tip on how to read kishimotos manga the right way, when there are lines in the drawing kishimoto wants you to know that it is moving

you can look up and see what im talking about reread the manga nooblet

 

[Haizaki]

is this your first time to read manga? coz you're reading it the wrong way. even kishimoto will laugh at your post.

explain why kakashi's hair aint resisting the winds and no lines like guy

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once again mangafaxxxxxx>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.your BS

This idiot is golden and stupid. Reading what the wrong way? You can't even comprehend. Kishimoto would laugh at your own stupidity. Couldn't answer my previous questions because you have no answers.

Kakashi's hair resisted the wind because HE ALREADY GOT THERE BEFORE OR AT THE SAME TIME GAI DID AND THEREFORE DOESN'T NEED TO MOVE FURTHER SINCE HE CARRIED OUT HIS ROLE ALREADY. GAI NEEDS TO MOVE FURTHER BECAUSE HE HAS TO PUNCH MADARA DIRECTLY MEANWHILE KAKASHI DOESN'T NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER. Are you this daft? Now answer my questions.

 

[BloodSeed]

This idiot is golden and stupid. Reading what the wrong way? You can't even comprehend. Kishimoto would laugh at your own stupidity. Couldn't answer my previous questions because you have no answers.

Kakashi's hair resisted the wind because HE ALREADY GOT THERE BEFORE OR AT THE SAME TIME GAI DID AND THEREFORE DOESN'T NEED TO MOVE FURTHER SINCE HE CARRIED OUT HIS ROLE ALREADY. GAI NEEDS TO MOVE FURTHER BECAUSE HE HAS TO PUNCH MADARA DIRECTLY MEANWHILE KAKASHI DOESN'T NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER. Are you this daft? Now answer my questions.

soo you are saying he just outspeed of blitzing gai???wtf man what are you smoking we can clearly see that kakashi was nowhere to be found in here

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AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA man with your logic i cant take you seriously lol this nooblet