Evening Elephant Databook entry ("Unstoppable Speed")

[Haizaki]

Where this guy's argument is completely flawed is here:

Kakashi was on Gaara's sand, why didn't Madara kill him if he was there all along? Now you answer that and stop with these false claims Lol.

@Ianakui, Lee opened the 6th Gate because he was told they were all going to support Gai

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and shortly after, he complained implying that it was his full strength he was using for the battle

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Edit: Error I meant

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[lanakui8]

@Ianakui, Lee opened the 6th Gate because he was told they were all going to support Gai

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and shortly after, he complained implying that it was his full strength he was using for the battle

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Edit: Error I meant

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yep, and how did Lee end up supporting Gai with the 6th gate?

 

[Haizaki]

yep, and how did Lee end up supporting Gai with the 6th gate?

Throwing the Kunai in front of him?

 

[lanakui8]

Throwing the Kunai in front of him?

yeah, so don't you think that kishi was actually factoring the speed of 8th gated Gai when he had lee do things like throw a kunai in front of him, thus explaining why lee was in the 6th gate in order to do so?

 

[Haizaki]

yeah, so don't you think that kishi was actually factoring the speed of 8th gated Gai when he had lee do things like throw a kunai in front of him, thus explaining why lee was in the 6th gate in order to do so?

Yeah but in the end it's inconsistent and definitely not his full speed. Not to mention it look more like he was gliding which looks more like this

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.We can't say that's Sasuke's full speed? There are many things to consider there especially when Gai had no counter for the TSB that were fired at him. Of course he's not going to run straight at them when he can't touch it as well. Not to mention the ultimate factor that shows it's not his full speed was the fact that Gaara's speed caught up.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Lol.....what?

The Sand is to the right of Gai.

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Look to the right of Gai, tell me. Do you see any trace of Sand being anywhere near him? No, you don't. Yet not long after that, Gaara's Sand is in front of Gai.

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Do the math. Gaara's Sand would have to be faster to get ahead of a top speed Gai. It not being visible from Madara's perspective is completely irrelevant and thus worthless to your argument when a few seconds earlier we see NOTHING by Gai. No sand at all.







I could use this same exact logic and say that Kakashi was already using Kamui, even though its as clear as day that he wasn't doing anything until that panel. Same goes for Gaara. He wasn't doing anything until that panel of him was shown. No motion lines only means that the panel doesn't show his hand being moved, but is that relevant towards his control? No.

Nor does Gaara already controlling his sand or not even matter, because it doesn't change the fact that in one moment, there was no sand near him, and that in the next moment, there was sand in front of him.




So, Gai making a brief pause explains how Gaara's Sand got in front of him, even though:

1. No pause was shown.

2. A pause goes against Minato's order.

3. A brief pause wouldn't let Gaara's Sand outspeed Gai.

4. Thus, a pause doesn't even begin to explain anything, thus is not a valid line of thinking.

Minato told him to hit him no matter what. Doesn't even begin to translate to "Move at your full speed at all times, don't slow down"



To increase his speed and strength to better support Gai.

Kidgamer.............. You're clearly not thinking through this. My first argument is that the sand was already closer to Madara than Guy, since Guy's moving, it makes perfect sense that it would not originally be right next to Guy. Yet again, you bring up an irrelevant point. Guy would be moving toward the sand, and wouldn't be next to him from the beginning.



@Bold Concession accepted. Out of your own mouth, you just said that there couldn't have possibly been a pause in Guy's movements. Both the manga and the databook both make the statement that Evening Elephant goes from speed 1 to speed 5, which matches the numbers of movements and strikes Guy makes. Therefore, by the technique's description, the final charge is the fastest, and you just said there was no pause.



Oh come on Kidgammer! Look at the freaking order of events and context!

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Minato says this before Madara even begins his counter attack. There's no function to "hit him no matter what" if it means strike as fast and hard as he possibly can, which makes Minato what? A big idiot for stating the obvious? Context clear means that Minato wants Guy to use his maximum ability against Madara no matter what happens. Obviously, "ignore all obsticals" is beyond heavily implied.


You lost this debate Kidgamer. Pure and simple.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kidgamer.............. You're clearly not thinking through this. My first argument is that the sand was already closer to Madara than Guy, since Guy's moving, it makes perfect sense that it would not originally be right next to Guy. Yet again, you bring up an irrelevant point. Guy would be moving toward the sand, and wouldn't be next to him from the beginning.

Except the pages show NOTHING near Gai and NOTHING near Madara.

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So no, that destroys your assertion of the Sand being closer to Madara than it was to Gai.

Nowhere to be seen here either.

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Obviously didn't come from below, as movement lines and the angle of the sand show otherwise.

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@Bold Concession accepted. Out of your own mouth, you just said that there couldn't have possibly been a pause in Guy's movements. Both the manga and the databook both make the statement that Evening Elephant goes from speed 1 to speed 5, which matches the numbers of movements and strikes Guy makes. Therefore, by the technique's description, the final charge is the fastest, and you just said there was no pause.

Except Gai wasn't moving top speed to begin with, so this makes this whole paragraph completely irrelevant. DB states "hitting speed", not movement speed.

Minato says this before Madara even begins his counter attack. There's no function to "hit him no matter what" if it means strike as fast and hard as he possibly can, which makes Minato what? A big idiot for stating the obvious? Context clear means that Minato wants Guy to use his maximum ability against Madara no matter what happens. Obviously, "ignore all obsticals" is beyond heavily implied.

Its funny how people try to twist what the manga says when it doesn't agree with them. Minato acknowledged the fact that the Gudo Dama can't be touched. Madara cloaked himself in it. Thus Minato told Gai to hit him no matter what, ignoring the fact that the Gudo Dama (Which he cannot touch) were in his way. I don't know where you got "Go top speed" came from, but I'm 100% sure that it wasn't from the manga.

Context shows that Minato wanted Gai to hit Madara no matter what happened, and not to stop hit attack just because of the Gudo Dama.

You lost this debate Kidgamer. Pure and simple.

As expected, you've done nothing but prove my original assertion right. That you'd do nothing but bring invalid argumentation to the table. Pretty ironic that you are doing nothing but bringing invalid points, yet you are speaking in this condescending tone, as if you've won or something. Lmfao.

 

[Gold Lightning]

So one of the issues people are having is logic XD

How many times was logic thrown out the window in this manga. Yet no one cared, until now that is GIMMIE a break U_U

 

[paratise]

What does ʻunstoppable speedʻ even mean?

It means a type of speed that can not be stopped/countered/contend with etc.. Usual way someone uses the word unstoppable. It does not mean the one who executes the speed never stops.

 

[lanakui8]

It means a type of speed that can not be stopped/countered/contend with etc.. Usual way someone uses the word unstoppable. It does not mean the one who executes the speed never stops.

so the databook pretty much lied then.

 

[Xlad]

so the databook pretty much lied then.

I was disappointed. Didn't the staff basically wrote all of that shit?

 

[Conspirator.]

I was disappointed. Didn't the staff basically wrote all of that shit?

I thought it was common knowledge that the databook is littered with trash?

 

[Gold Lightning]

so the databook pretty much lied then.

Nope the manga lied by that logic because minato told him not to stop and guy said he'd attack continuously.

 

[Xlad]

I thought it was common knowledge that the databook is littered with trash?

Then it settles. I won't take it seriously at this point.

 

[lanakui8]

Nope the manga lied by that logic because minato told him not to stop and guy said he'd attack continuously.

I don't see how minato telling gai not to stop or gai stating he'd attack continuously in anyway means that Gai's attack is literally unstoppable/contendable.

If Kakashi, Gaara, Minato and Lee weren't there Gai would either get killed by madara's gudoudamas or would get his attack stopped by the gudoudama shield. Therefore the databook claiming gai's speed is unstoppable is just hyperbole, what it really means is that Gai is just extremely fast.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I don't see how minato telling gai not to stop or gai stating he'd attack continuously in anyway means that Gai's attack is literally unstoppable/contendable.

If Kakashi, Gaara, Minato and Lee weren't there Gai would either get killed by madara's gudoudamas or would get his attack stopped by the gudoudama shield. Therefore the databook claiming gai's speed is unstoppable is just hyperbole, what it really means is that Gai is just extremely fast.

My point isn't whether his speed is unstoppable or not. My point is that guys speed was consistent throughout the assault. There was no slowing down or pausing. Speed 1 to speed 5, doesn't get much clearer than that.

 

[lanakui8]

My point isn't whether his speed is unstoppable or not. My point is that guys speed was consistent throughout the assault. There was no slowing down or pausing. Speed 1 to speed 5, doesn't get much clearer than that.

well I'm not arguing about whether his speed was consistent or not, so.....

 

[Gold Lightning]

well I'm not arguing about whether his speed was consistent or not, so.....

Obviously unstoppable is a hyperbole. I don't argue with that. The db also says minato has god like speed, of course these are not literal.

However, they do present meaning. "Unstoppable speed" is just hyping up how fast evening/night elephant really is. Not literally unstoppable but still pretty damn fast.

 

[Haizaki]

Says one lost but couldn't give an explanation to why Madara didn't attack Kakashi if he was on Gaara's sand all along in that spot Lol. It's simple, he caught up.

 

[BloodSeed]

So a reliable source kindly translated this for me:



For those who said Guy slowed down on the last hit -_-

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gai didnt slow down, it was just minato's hype is "that awesome prestige even time and space seem to stand still!"